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I feel like I’m really late to this party, but it just finally clicked for me that the name Knights of Wind and Truth is probably a reference/rebranding of Bridge 4 seeing as their members are comprised exclusively of Windrunners and Truthwatchers in the form of Renarin and Rlain. I’m guessing something pretty big goes down with bridge 4 (I hate to say it, but probably something tragic) and this seems like it was written to memorialize them.
I think Discord will be teased in 3.1 then come to the forefront in 3.2 and be dealt with for better or worse by the end of 3.3. I think it's been teased for so long is because Harmony & Discord both effect SLA6-10, but the division is ended before Era 4&5. Like the Scadrien agents of SLA6-10 are discordant, even more than Ghostblood stuff
Ooof I feel for you there, that's a big change. Fortunately unlike other authors, we get books very regularly here but yeah certainly isn't the same as the marathon you just did. -Eric
I didn't mind the library joke. I didn't see it as a class thing, more like his home town didn't have a library and he's been a soldier for his entire adult life, he'd just never seen one before.
I usually skip Edgedancer on re-reads and I completely forgot that the sleepless were in this! I just remember the pancakes 😂Definitely need to re-read this now
I think the Squire can still use their powers even when the knight is a good distance away. At least a distance more than a big city. Like Lopen uses stormlight at the warcamps at the end of WOR while Kaladin was fighting Szeth near the centre of the shattered plains.
For David's wondering about verbal or internal oaths, I just have to point out that Eshonai's oath was entirely internal (she was underwater and couldn't speak) and not really even intentional, the Stormfather chose to accept it anyways. Most oaths tend to be verbal, but there is precedent for internal oaths.
Regarding the sleepless in the WOK prelude, there’s the line “Many of the bodies around him were human;many were not. Blood mixed. Red. Orange. Violet.” If I remember correctly there should be a WOB about how violet blood is in fact a sleepless thing
9:30 there's a WoB that Szeth vibes really well with Nightblood (and counts as neither good nor evil) because Szeth doesn't have much agency of his own. He just wants to do what he's told
I know SpanReads is not the most popular on the channel, but it's things like this that definitely makes the effort of making these completely worth it! -Eric
I wish I enjoyed this book as much as you did, I really didn't like it and I think I'm tapped out. I don't know if I"ll reach the 5th book at this point.
Ala at 1:08 ... so Shallan can manifest a physical Radiant with her powers. And Shallan-prime can wield the Patternblade, while Radiant wields the Testamentblade? Veronica: remember that Roshar has lower gravity, and who knows how gravity works in the Cognitive Realm?
Interesting to hear you talking like I did about Rhythm of War. Brandon "$46 million KickStarter" is now Too Big to Edit, and it's hurting the books, in my arrogant opinion.
Syl has consistently become more human every time Kal swears a new ideal. She gives specific reasons why she's embracing this. Kaladin does not seem to be romantically interested in her, and is just embarrassed by the idea of her floating around nude for a laugh when he's got something important to focus on. You are all reading way too much into this.
I can see Kal not knowing what a library is. They didn't have it in his village, and while he was educated enough to read glyphs as a surgeon in training, he didn't know how to read text nor would it be an important part of his training to know where books are stored for loaning out. Knowing of a hospital or the like is a no-brainer for him but I don't see why the library bit is a stretch.
14:30 Why does Dalinar think that he can give away the title of King of Urithiru? I would assume that the senior Bondsmith is the King of Urithiru by virtue of the office. 29:00 That would suggest that the librarian will return. Or, heavens forbid, the chull head. We have no idea what the back half will feature. 36:30 Szeth should be proud of Kaladin killing him. He did his duty. 51:00 Chiri-Chiri writing Knights of Wind and Truth? 53:00 Will the Heralds join the Iriali? 54:30 If the Heralds chose to go somewhere by their own preference, shouldn't it be Ashyn? 59:30 You mix your weapons and your ability.
All current bondsmiths are already rulers of Urithiuru, even if that’s how the rule worked it would be impossible to actually follow and they would just have no heir. But I doubt such a rule exists formally in the first place, it would be way to impractical and most importantly unless the sibling has something to say on the subject then modern Urithiuru is just another kingdom like any other.
@@oneukum required for selecting a new king? Or a new bondsmith? The sibling is probably more appropriate for either, but neither of them wanted to even bond humans again in the first place. And that would again require the kingdom to have no ruler until they find someone who can convince the godspren to make new bonds
@@currentlyprocastinating5334 A new bondsmith. Now suppose Dalinar has selected a king and one of the big spren picks a new Bondsmith. What happens then? Does the Bondsmith take orders? That is against the setup of the Knights Radiant. Does the king abdicate? If so the new Bondsmith will be the one who deposed tDalinar's chosen. Neither is a good outcome. Now a general like Dalinar who is also an aristocrat thinking in terms of needing to have an heir makes sense. But the Knights Radiant are not a kingdom. The sensible solution would be a council of the most senior Knights of each order.
@@oneukum One never truly knows, but historically interludes have been inserted between every section. The only reason to doubt interludes between every section in book five would be because there are so many sections (other books only have 5 sections).
There would always be a lag between whenever we recorded and afterwards. Unfortunately if we get all of Day Two, then we will 100% not have the interludes in that episode. In fact, we won't even have all of Day Two. That episode will have to come out prior to Wind and Truth to have any relevance, so that's at the latest Sunday before, and then we will need to record at latest the Sunday prior to that. That's to say nothing about actually scheduling (and near WaT time we also need to start recording for that ...) Ultimately Day One worked well because people were available and it fit the release cadence. I agree the interludes were great though! -Eric
I love the idea that Wind is the only nature spren that managed to escape being unmade. What an amazing idea! Edit: there are 9 unmade but roshars number is 10 so I buy it even more.
The only think I think about a Kal relationship is that since leaving home he has had a very traumatic life, and understandably may not be interested /able to have a fully Romantic relationship. Now he is on the path to moving past it as he is only like what 21/22 I would say until he directly says his stance on relationships it is reasonable to think he may want one
To be fair, Kaladin could simply forget what a library is called due to it being a feminine quality to be able to read in his culture. Just because he was groomed to be a surgeon doesn't mean he knows everything about what that would have entailed. Today, many children are raised to go to college, but feel pretty clueless once they actually get there
But... Kaladin knows what a library is. There is literally a scene in the last book where he's told that someone's in a library and doesn't have to pause and ask what that place is.
@rasarr1611 in rhythm of war? I don't remember that scene, was it prior to the fused invasion? If it's true, that does make this a huge error. It would have only been within the past couple weeks in roshar-time - not enough time for kaladin to reasonably forget
@@levimusgrave5683 Yes, I believe we bring it up during the episode; in the opening chapters of RoW, during the Hearthstone sequence where Kaladin is going through Roshone's manor
@rasarr1611 Cool, thanks for replying! I looked and found it: Oathbringer chapter 7 in Roshone's manor. Kaladin asks if there is a room they can talk in that isn't clogged full of people. One of Roshones soldiers says, "up the stairs, sir. Library is empty." To which Kaladin says "excellent!" Seems that kaladin knows what a library is, or if nothing else how to go upstairs lol
How much power would be needed to power up the one to three dawnshards on the planet? How much to reform Honor? Where yo they pull all of the pieces of Honor to reform him? The Heralds, Stormfather,Syl, etc.
Is nobody gonna acknowledge that Kelek was the one who branded Kaladin as a slave? Isn't he supposed to be Restares the stormwarden who heats up the branding iron as Amaraam's men kill Kaladin's men. How are people so ok with Kelek, and for that matter, the other heralds (barring Taln)- these heralds aren't good people, why is it that Kelsier- Thaidakar is viewed as this villain overlord but the heralds aren't?
Where in the world are you getting the idea that that Stormwarden was Kelek/Restares? Kelek, as Restares, is the head of the Sons of Honor, Amaram's superior in the organization, he's not some random Stormwarden working for Amaram.
@patrickboyle1135 for starters he is called Restares by Amaraam in the scene and Restares by Gavilar in the prologue of W&T. Secondly and more subtly- the hand gestures/wringing which is consistent with the descriptions from Shallan's pov chapters in W&T- I guess it's possible it just two different people with the same name/ alias but it seems too big of a coincidence...
@@peteratanasov749 He refers to Restares, but he's not addressing or referring to someone in the room. The Stormwarden is unnamed in the scene. He's basically talking and justifying to himeself what he's doing, saying that Restares is right that this sort of action(doing things that improve his position) is for the best of all. Their descriptions also aren't remotely similar, with what little description of the Stormwarden there is.The most defining feature of the Stormwarden is a squared off beard, Kalak is never described with one, in RoW or the WaT previews. He also doesn't exhibit any of the timidity Kalak does every time he appears on screen. The Stormwarden is never described as wringing their hands, or cringing, or constantly looking around the room for threats. The closest thing to hand wringing he does is warming his hands at the brazier...because it's cold. They are just not the same character, and there's no implication the Stormwarden has the same name in the scene.
I dunno I didn't neither enjoyed or disliked the library scene. The critical parts is the setup of Syl trying to fit other roles in the story other than be Kal's mental support. It shows her making preparations for the mission, it shows her putting effort to achieve stuff humans can do super easy.... and yeah this end with Kaladin snapping at the librarian. Now on the critiquied part I simply assumed that Kal giving his background a male vorin didn't simply had super confidence with the word, like he know what a library pratically is but he didn't know the word because he didn't never needed e he is a sort of "home educated" and did a ton of practice on the job... But he never had a formal accademic training. For the librarian reaction, I saw her badly reacting to the change her profession/world is going through. She had to deal with a specific set of people until now... then some men started to read/write regardless of the "proper way" and now a spren also is trying to erode her place in the world (it doesn't matter there are tons of scholar spren, from her Syl is literally a tornado coming in her library with demands and the pretense of doing the scribe job)... People needs time to accomodate those stuff and syl is probably among the first spren in this era who is trying so hard to mesh with people.... years would be needed before Syl going around and demanding stuff from people not personally related to her will be normal.
I completely disagree with y’all’s reading of the library scene. I don’t think it’s a joke at his station or his class at all. How often have you been talking and you forget a super common word? Happens all the… damn it…. TIME! Right, that’s the word. Also, he’s been AT WAR for like three years, even if he’s intellectually aware of what a library is, he doesn’t often think about them or use them. AND reading is a feminine thing, even if that’s going by the wayside. So men don’t often frequent libraries anyway. I think it’s a cheap joke, sure, but it’s not about his class or that he’s stupid. It’s just about his conditioning recently. Also, if Syladin is a thing, I’ll take this back, but I kinda hate that you guys are acting like it’s already happening and judging the book on that? Like, I will hate it if it happens, but it’s all just foreshadowing right now, and I can think of two or three other things that stuff could be setting up. If that’s what happens, I’ll come back and comment that I was wrong and I take it back, but I can’t judge a single scene in here until I’ve read the whole book to see how it all comes together. Like you said, they had to trim a lot to make this book work. They wouldn’t have left this scene if it wasn’t important in some way. Hamster? Maybe, but probably important.
i mean he's probably never been to a library, given how expensive books were before the printing press, which just got invented and he was from a backwater town in a very anti-intellectual culture that almost certainly did not have a library. Even his father had probably never been in a library. So him not knowing the word or having heard it like once or twice is not out of the question
Kaladin enters Roshone's manor library in the beginning of Oathbringer chapter 7, so I agree that he knows what libraries are, but probably hasn't used the word much. Especially considering that reading is a feminine art so he wouldn't ever be seeking out a library himself
So much of Kaladin's story and life has been him escaping captivity or imprisonment. Ending his story with him CHOOSING to be bound in a Herald like manner is something in the realm of possibility.
Syladin is so weird to me right now because I thought I saw it coming in the earlier books but then I gave up rooting for it and now its just - randomly back
I kinda disagree that Syladin came out of nowhere or too rushed. It's important to note that I never perceived Syl as a child (Kaladin too) and only thought about their pairing after I finished reading RoW. In RoW there were a lot of nice moments between them (not necessarily romantic ones), their closeness, how Syl developed, her motivation in helping and understanding Kaladin, etc. I also think it's important that Kal had another unsuccessful romance, and Syl didn't try to set him up with someone else again this time (unlike Adolin). Also Ishar experiments, Syl wanted to be more human, wanted to be noticed by Kal... so many foreshadowing so far since RoW. On the one hand, I understand why people are so against them, on the other hand, I don’t understand why they can’t be given a chance. We only have 10 days until the potential end of the world. If Brandon decided to add a romantic line for Kal, Syl is the most logical and natural option. They both deserve happiness. Why they can't find what they need in each other? So far, I've liked the dynamics between them in this 13 chapter previews. I am happy to see silly Kaladin too lol Maybe chapter 10 seemed too much, but it's not the first time I've seen this kind of humor from the author. For me, this chapter gives grounds for Kaladin's therapist path and the fact that Syl has the same body and organ structure as a human woman. Very strong foreshadowings here. To sum it up, I think Brandon can do them well. Can't wait to read the whole book and see where it leads.
Well said! For me Syladin did not come out of nowhere. It’s been on my radar probably since WoR. I do understand that it seems to be really heavy handed right now though.
i assume ryshadium can carry obscene amounts probably for the same reason greatshells can carry their own physics-defying weight? figure the musicspren bond is capable of doing some of what the mandras do.
My assumption is that music Spren are using some type of lashing when they bond a rashadium to lighten them, so maybe that’s why he was so comfortable?
