We are Dylan and Gavin, and we're the hosts of the podcast The Heresy Lodge. Welcome to our RU-vid channel where we will post video episodes of our podcast, see some Warhammer tabletop things, and whatever else we have in store.
You don’t have to worry about the young adult thing, I don’t consider Golden Son and Morning Star YA, but from book 4 onwards it’s definitely adult (Books 5 and 6 are my favourites)
I'm not caught up with the books yet - is it safe to listen to the non-warhammer episodes if I haven't read the last 15-20 books? I'm on Tallarn and have been reading along. Love the show!
Appreciate the love! Yep! The only thing we talk about Warhammer is some stylistic differences between other authors and people like Tolkien. Don’t think we mention any spoilers other than maybe some nitpicking
I think gandalf shows up with erkenbrand in the book who was fighting the men who sided with saruman because the rohirrim were like racist against them.
(still listening, haven't watched the entire video yet). female custodes isn't neccesarily bad, I don't recall any bit of lore that says women can't be custodians. That said as far as I know it has always been heavily implied that all custodians were men so the introduction randomly dropping them in the new codex and then tweeting there have always been female custodians could have been done a lot better. I'd have added like a few lines in a horus heresy book (bit late now since the series is over) saying that due to the horrendous losses the 10.000 took in the webway they had to broaden their recruitment pool and they're setting up a project to do just that. this project doesn't finish until after the heresy. now 10k years later with guilliman returning the custodians are unleashed again and hey, there's women too! they've always been there but you haven't seen them because duh, they were guarding the interior palace. it's not foolproof because its missing the unification, great crusade and heresy era but it's certainly a lot better than what they've done here.
I mean there’s been gay space marines for a long time. There’s a reason there’s that quote between the khan and Fulgrim saying he hears he does weird things to his men. Having inclusion isn’t a bad thing. Gaslighting your audience is a problem.
its good to show that I have good taste, I havent read the entire series, my only real disagreement is that id put the Burried Dagger Garro and Flight of the Eisenstein higher, and id put battle for the abyss in D or Z. I honestly dont know what they were thinking with the End and the Death being published in the state it was, I havent even started reading it really beyond some skimming of mostly the second book because I wanted to read the duel between Horus and Sangy. With the exception of Fulgrim I have all the S tier books in limited edition/hardback.
I am all but giving up on 40k. Cannot find but a few of the books at a price that is not straight up ridiculous. I read the first 3 but after that forget finding the rest. Ebooks? Hell no. But enjoyed your discussion nonetheless.
Know you guys are probably burned out from sci-fi, but would be interesting to hear you guys talk about the dune series eventually. With your guys's knowledge on the Warhammer lore, would like to get to hear your input about everything GW was inspired/borrowed from thr Dune saga. Excited to see you guys pivot away from Warhammer books because I am as well.
Dune is definitely on the list! I want to eventually do: Dune The Witcher Stormlight Archive The Expanse And I’m not sure what else. Feel free to give any recommendations! I’m currently reading the Ender Games books and really enjoying them. Just started Xenocide
Appreciate it! Most of the books definitely have their gripes. It’s a long series that is incredibly drawn out. But thanks for checking it out and joining the lodge!
Sorry for blathering, but I very much disliked the portrayal of Ahriman in “a thousand sons.” I understand the storytelling requires a character to be an innocent speaker of exposition, but Ahriman is the 1st Librarian - he should have not been so wide-eyed. This is a nitpick but I think the story would have been better told thru eyes of an Ahriman apprentice. And Ahriman portrayed as a guy who saw stuff, but is closed lipped when apprentice asks awkward questions.
Here’s my opinion of 1st 3 books. 1. Horus - readers actually got to see 30k. Thru loken’s eyes, we got to see the war between imperium and chaos. 2. Galaxy in flames - it was a disaster situation. loken and Tarvitz were underdogs, and the book explained the stakes. 3. False Gods - Graham McNeil is a great author. But this was the book that was supposed to humanize Horus, to an extent. McNeil says in an afterward that GW did not want to portray Horus as a victim - rather, he chose his fate. So what did McNeil do? Horus still got stabbed. McNeil gave a million reasons why Horus didn’t like the state of the Imperium. And when Erebus called Magnus a liar, Horus responds that Erebus was a liar too (for impersonating Sejanus). But then Horus turns evil anyway. False gods is a bad story in my opinion. It attempted to make Horus more empowered and it tried to achieve it through quantity instead of quality.
You guys did it! Had similar feelings of just relief with completing the series and then just a sour taste left, after all that reading for what exactly
The biggest shock of this book to me. Was Leetu walking out alive. Lokens fate was so dumb! Also walking into this book I didnt think they could wrap up the Horus Heresy. And wasn't wrong.
Keep going guy! I finished the book a couple of days ago. It's finally done. Started watching/listening to you guys around thousand sons novel. Excited to see you guys finish out the Horus heresy
I was looking for my next heresy book. I loved both first heretic and betrayer but haven't read any scars book so now I'm going to read scars and path to heaven
To confirm Sigismund's book covers nothing of the siege, it's purely a prequel. So want your seeing of Sigismund now is all that your getting in this series so... lol
At certain angels Gavin looks like a bearded Michael Cera. You didn’t talk about my kidney stones at all, I’m very disappointed lol Great video though, looking forward to what comes next.
I just realized that they're reading as they're making the videos. I started binging episodes at work and I just caught up to where they are currently.
Ok, pump the brakes. It's bad, but not GoT ending bad. If the E shoves a sword up his own butt to find the secret to beat Horus with a warp fart, then it's GoT lvl. 😂
47:00 Callback to "The Master of Mankind" where we do see the Emperor literally doing surgery on Angron trying to remove/understand the Nails. Turns out it's (a) Dark Age of Technology forbidden technology (b) It literally is his brain now
I continually got lost on who's perspective, loyalist or traitor, we were in. Then how they kept switching from killing Mortiis, to the resurrected dead, and back and forth again. Then, at the end, Morris entered again, basically untouched. It was a jumble.
23:30 It mentions early on that when he genocided Olympia he thought his father would punish him. Horus congratulated him and gave him his trust. Also their legion was just put in the meat grinder with no recognition.
