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I have both of these, they are very stable. I fly fish and explore new waters with the 130, and plan on eventually using the 12 for kayak sailing. They really paddle nicely for someone my size (210 and 5’11”) and they are both faster and smoother than many of the 12-14 ft polyethylene kayaks. I do use a slightly longer paddle for the 130 (a 230 cm instead of my usual 220 cm). With the 12 it feels like you are closer to the water than in other kayaks due to the low profile. The seat in the 130 is super comfy, and even though the seat in the 12 looks utilitarian, it’s not completely flat (both sides slanted inward towards the center slightly) and is surprisingly comfortable for what it is - perhaps this was a recent change since my 12 is a newer (2023) model. And, you can edge turn easily with either of the sandpipers just by tilting your butt - hip and thigh pads not really needed. For the relatively wide width, they maneuver and track in a strait line very well, and you can still straddle them for entry.
This stuff doesn’t stick to anything. It is very stiff and more like a vinyl swimming pool patch. Always peels off on thin flexible material. Not ripstop tape. I’ve used it on a few things and it never stuck proper. The only good ripstop that is thin and sticky is the stuff in Coughlins tent repair kits. Unfortunately you don’t get much for the price. All the rest of the brands dont work well. Tenacious Tape is the worst in my opinion.
You will work your butt off to move that barge around the lakes. You need a motor on that barge. I got a few friends that have the hobie pro 14 and the 12. They work so much harder than I do and I have the old town. Sportsman 132 pdl I barely have to pedal hard to get up to 5 mph. My friends have never been able to get up to 5 mph. They do 4 and they are tired after. I almost bought a hobie and I’m glad that I didn’t. Let your drive break while your on the back side of a canal system and see how long it will take you to paddle back. My yak cuts through the water with ease.
Love your stuff that you do. 6'1 210 32 inseam, 64yrs. Looking for generally smooth water half/full day paddles say 10+ miles, for fitness (had a Dagger Axis 12 for a number of years) 2 to 3 times a week. Don't care about cargo capacity, just smooth, fast long glide, distance paddling. 1) Will I fit an LT ok? I prefer a comfortable, connected fit at thigh etc. 2) Any speed, efficiency, performance difference between LT vs XT worth noting? And finally, and would really appreciate your thoughts on this ... this will be my _last_ kayak and considering going for it IF there is real value for the money to be found ... 1) How much would I a gain by moving up to the Fathom from a speed, performance, efficiency stand point? Some? Really noticeable jump up? 2) I am seriously mulling a Stellar 16 Multi-Sport as well. Certainly the weight difference for that big bucks is an advantage, but strictly from an in the water perspective, paddling across a S Fla lake and 10+ miles up a canal (straight line, smooth water) what from an overall performance level will I gain? Is it a gap up or a marginal improvement for the dollars? 3) Thoughts on Fathom vs Stellar? My calculus on that is Fathom has more rocker and then what that entails. Thanks for your response.
Hi Mitch , thanks for these great videos, I’m going to buy a pocket canyon from you guys. Question, I’m not ever going to race , or likely not interested in anything over III, but I do plan to take the PC on flat water from time to time, to cross long lakes, with gear. Have you heard of anyone adding a removable skeg like this to a WW canoe? Thanks
Now made in Mexico. Sad to see a great American kayak company take that route, but not surprising once you take on investments from a company that is owned by the family behind Walmart.
Good job showing righting the kayak and re-entry. Only problem is letting go of the paddle. Please stress the importance of maintaining control of the boat and paddle.
Looks very nice, thank you for showing this. What class would you trust the pocket canyon for soloing? Looking at getting this to primarily solo trip some big water, like the Green and Colorado. Is that a bad idea with a setup like this?
I think class 3 would be totally doable riding solo in the pocket canyon. Big water trips like the Green and Colorado would be good for it. With all the rocker, this pocket canyon is a pretty dry ride unless you are getting into some steep stuff. A skirt is always an option. The gear capacity is really nice in a pocket canyon if you're running it solo
@mitch4christ1 thank you! I did not know they made canoe skirts but that would make me feel a lot more comfortable with float bags and a skirt. Would this setup work on level 6-9 or is that a bad idea? I've taken open top aluminum canoes and stillwater kayaks down some hairy class 3+, I'm just trying to gague how far I could make it down a full green/colorado float without portaging. Dories are just too expensive ATM
Nice boat (we have the larger canyon), how are you liking the adjustable middle saddle paddling ww? I'm in the process of re-fitting a caption, trying to figure out my options.
The saddle is very nice! Plus the very coosh knee pads from Salamander. I like being able to move the saddle forward or backwards depending on weight in the boat. Or just take it out completely. Only thing is that the knee pads are permanent, so they may get in the way of a barrel, but I can also use my bills bag or Watershed Colorado dry bag which would sit on top just fine.
You did it the right way. I did it the easy way: added knee cushions and thigh straps to sit on the bow seat while kneeling or without kneeling, facing the other direction and paddling stern first. Works pretty well, but end up weighted a bit far back. Adding a real saddle in the right place is the way to go.
Exped just included a qrcode for instructions, so dont be suprised if someone somewhere pitches camp one cold night on a mountain with no signal, and waves both around in a bewildered frenzy 😅
"not made for going out in the ocean" yeah I guess thats the reality for both of these Yaks, designed for lakes only. Unless anybody has taken either to salt water on relatively calm days. Hobie is over priced but the better model. nice review, just get a blimp for your mic, solves the problem
I have a medium wide arbor element and a size 12 boot that gives me 2.2 cm of toe overhang and heal overhang. Is this too much? Or is it enough to give me just the right amount of leverage when turning or am I going to boot out??
