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If I wanted a pcp for occasional hunting. This would be extremely hard to beat. The cost and effort would be minimal and the performance is great. That would keep me from having the high investment of traditional PCPs. This is assuming Iam new to the pcp world, without the equipment to fill one. Alot of people don't shoot over 500 round in a year. Looking at it from that perspective, it's a cheap way to go. Around $100 bucks (10 nitro cylinders) for a year of shooting. I think it's a excellent idea.
your big mistake here is the break barrel will loose quality over time due to wearing or loose tightness at the barrel hinge. To be real you should test guns that had fired at least 50K shoots.
This could be great for people taking them out a few times a year for pest control and hunting! Is that a new magazine design, or one that is already on the market? I like the m-lok slots, I'm assuming those are standard size?
I think it's a great idea, im not going to compare it to pcp, but comparing it to co2 i see tons of improvements and a bright future for growth as well
@pyramydair lol i start with a laugh this morning. I have to so I can retain my sanity. Many years in this hobby of ours and sport. It never fails that the skeptics and "experts" come out in force to beat down anything new or innovative. I like the idea of the gun for convenience around the house when i dont feel like grabbing one of my expensive heavy ass pcp's. Like many i can not use a firearm because, yes, i was a idiot and a time in my life and broke mans law. So, im limited to what I can use to hunt with. Pyramid and Tyler thanks and Umarex for bringing choices to the table. David
@@psycho6275 Thanks for watching and I appreciate the comment and kind words. There's definitely a market for this gun, just a question of how big it is.
Yea it'd cost you over $111 to shoot through 500 pellet tin of 22 cal , 11 canisters 45 shots each. By the time you shoot 1500 pellets or 3 tins you could have afforded a cheap Chinese air compressor for right at 300.
It's not worth it to me. For $200, looking to go pcp, I'd go with Crosman 3622 or the new JTS offering(both ~$150)and get a hand pump for $40. 3600 psi is doable, I'm 50 yrs old, too. Better power, worse shot count(no regulator,but always could add in the future), but you never spend another dime except for pellets. And you have unlimited air for the future. Also, it would be a gun you could work on yourself. Not a one-piece polymer receiver. I just don't see an upside to this package.
You'd be better served to get the components for the gun we already bought on your say so! The Avenge X is touted as a caliber and stock change platform..none of which are readily available ... Pretty sad!
I don't disagree with you, at least for most folks. FWIW, especially with the caliber change kits, most are backordered heavily so when we do get them in, they go right out the door, so they rarely show up as in-stock online. But more are on the way as we speak.
Hello Fellow. Airgunners, Granted, it’s more expensive than CO2, but for people living in sub-freezing temps., it’s a viable option compared to a Hammerli which like all CO2 products, is temperature dependent. This is a budget friendly survival tool. Hammerli should offer the 850 Air Magnum using this technology. That’s a good Segway into my next point, the most exciting aspect of this invention to me. That is, does this mean Umarex can now apply this technology into any and all CO2 products, like all the beautiful replicas that always leave one wanting; in the performance area?Can Umarex make 12 gram versions w/Nitrogen so a replica Peacemaker can shoot like a p.c.p.? That would be game changing, especially for survivalists that can’t justify purchasing CO2 in cold climates. I can’t wait to see how far Umarex and other companies take this technology. All the bad ass replica firearms that only operate on either CO2 or Green gas, if it’s possible to re-design them using Nitrogen, that would be transformative; I would imagine with the aficionados of Western era firearms, that have yet to enjoy air gun versions that satisfy in all areas, and older chaps that would enjoy the ease of use. Big potential here; especially if the Nitrogen becomes more affordable.
The lack of temp sensitivity is definitely a worthwhile point. Makes this an interesting gun for those that want a "prepper" tool that is ready to go when they need it without hauling pumps, tanks or compressors around. And the pistol part is interesting as well. In general, it will be interesting to see where and how this is used in the future. No doubt about that
Haven't bought a co2 since the early 90's, waste of money on all those cartridges and just more to buy...(NOT FOR ME ) Just prolonging and still spending that money instead of just getting into PCP...
Where I live I pay $6 to fill a 12 litre scuba tank to 4500 psi and I live inland far from any sea. Yes, I needed to buy a scuba tank. Found one used for $50 got it approved for another $120. With these gas canisters it will cost a fortune in the end so it's not a surprise that the rifle itself is on the cheap side. And I guarantee that within a year you want to replace it with a proper pcp. So from my own experience of buying cheap pcp I recommend to pay the extra money to get a something for $1000 plus. A small tip. Ask your local fire department kindly and respectfully if they would consider to fill a scuba tank for you once in a while. Many of them can consider doing so as long as your scuba tank are up to date on inspections. Most time they just take a small donation to the coffee and cake fond, works at least here in sweden.😊 First pcp Hatsan gladius. Current pcp Edgun leshiy 2.
I notice you didn’t mention the price of the price of the air cartridges in the video??? Seems to me that would be the deal killer right there! For the price of a year’s cartridge supply for shooting, you could buy a compressor or a carbon fiber tank. It needs an adapter for a Ninja bottle like the Gauntlet so that people won’t have to throw it in the trash heap when they get serious about shooting!
An adapter may very well come, not sure who or what yet, but I am sure someones working on it as we speak. If it can be done for $50-$70 all in to convert it to a true PCP, I think then it makes some sense for existing pcp owners. But time will tell.
I would take a Gamo 10x break barrel 1000% over this thing because I can shoot all damn day. Why would you even say anything foolish like that at the end of this infomercial.
Booooooo, seems like a huge waste of money. I shoot 40 shots just to get the gun settled so there goes 1 bottle and what they cost 35-$50 bucks per bottle. This was a totally DUMB ASS IDEA. Most people stay away from the CO2 air guns because they aren't powerful enough and just cost more and more money. Come on Umarex, not one person in the company looked R&D in the eyes and said "THIS IS A DUMBASS IDEA AND A HUGE BUST WAITING TO HAPPEN."? Just miss me with this piece of crap.
so this airgun can also use 88gram c02 cylinders? asking because if your nitrogen cylinder is 3600psi, and fits the same connection as a 88g co2 cylinder then the hpa adapter to refill 88g co2 cylinders can refill these nitrogen cylinders with compressed air upto 3600psi and that is twice what can be acomplished with the current co2 88g cylinders. making each used nitrogen cylinder into a pcp tank. and if that can be done. i am a buyer sir... the last word @airguns_militia you tube
@@kaybee2810 i see, cause the umarex 9 minute video said they are the same threads as an 88 g co2 cylinder. hmmm cause if it can be converted i will buy, just for the higher pressure cylinders. but if not, the thing is trash. things like will it fit, well a dremel will make that compartment any shape i want. hmmm guess better to just get a beeman 2029 pcp in .22 haha and not worry about it, cause that one is shorter and will do 920fps in .22cal. and is about the same price.
@@kaybee2810 smiles. so his reasoning was the pressure and not the threading for fit. wonderful, because i have no intention of using 88 g co2 cylinders at all. ubt since the threading is the same , the 4500psi refill adapter for those cylinders will work for these cylinders as well. and a dremel can make the needed refill hole in the compartment and any larger space for the use of the refill adapter, and using the nitrogen cylinders , untill empty and then refilling them with 3600psi of compressed air instead is possible. since the nitrogen cylinders are able to accept 3600psi . smiles that is what i was trying to figure out friend. not the actual use of co2 cylinders. but the use of a refill adapter of the same threading to refill nitrogen cylinders with co2 at a higher pressure than a person can refill co2 cylinders. which would make this an actual pcp airgun after the nitrogen is used up. smiles ya see this is why i get the big bucks... hey, shhhh where are the big bucks, cause i can't see them anywhere. hahaha
@@kaybee2810 an easy test, i will buy the nitrogen cylinders, and i already have the hpa refill adapter, all they need do is thread together and this will work. cost of test $23 and tax,. purchased while i buy something else on pyramidair for free shipping. thanks for the support of the advancement of your airgun community. i understand why you wanted to keep saying no, but being who i am (my handle is THE LAST WORD so i am not trying to offend with that, it is my name) i took the information you provided and sorted out the opinion from the facts. and your own words tell me that yes the threading is the same, and i wanted to use the higher pressure mitrogen cylinders all along because they use a higher pressure. so thank you very much for the assistance. thinking about trying the nitrogen cylinders ,refilled with co2 at 3600psi on the sig mcx vertus .22 cal as well since it has a 30 round semi auto magazine/belt.
i think it is a good idea but i would like to see a air conversion bottle down the road. It seems like having to change the bottle every 38 shots can be a bother. Yet it seems simple but more expensive at the same time. I shoot 300 to 500 rounds a day ,doing pest control. that would come out to 12 cylinders a day at 11.50, that is 138 dollars a day. Not to mention pellets or lighter slugs. I do like the idea and might get one just for around the house but i see it being to expensive for a serious hunter or pester. I do like the ergonomics and design. Kudos to Umarex .but i would like to see a conversion later for a 300 or 480 cc bottle down the road( with a 250 bar fill) Or take the bottle from the Avenge X and shave off 6-8 inches from the bottle and convert it to fit the Komplete. With a longer barrel for the hunters in mind . With a 1/2unf threading on the barrel .
You lost me buds soon. You set it out of polymer plastic rail. Nobody wants a polymer p lastic rail that your mount a scope to I Unbelievable that they would make something like that.
NO WAY! Way to expensive to shot and it's a paper weight without a off the shelf source for air. Hell build one that uses a HPA from paintball tank, local cheap fills! Maybe even make the tanks refillable, then just carry an extra I the field.
Yes you can leave the cartridges in the gun under pressure. Assuming no leaks are present in the system, then you're good to go. No different than any other PCP in that regard.
If this was my 1st airgun? Yes, I'd be all into it. It appears to be a great gateway gun. As much as I like to shoot though? I could potentially spend $115 a week on cartridges... 5 weeks of shooting I coulda bought a compressor and, at a similar price point, a Notos Carbine or Hatsan Jet II which are both FUN AS HELL guns that are a joy to shoot and fill fast off a ReadyAir. Now, as for introducing my nephew to modern airgunning? It's an attractive gift option. If you bought this for a neophyte marksman and they cooled to the idea or shot sparingly, you wouldn't suffer the buyer's remorse. Plus, Umarex makes good stuff (good thing, because their customer service is not very friendly in my experience. My PPQ M2 slide EXPLODED off the frame and I have a ReadyAir that shows an "S" fault after travelling ONCE, but they were such jerks when I called I guess I'm flushing that $800)
This is my general thought process as well. It should be a great way to get folks into it, show them the potential of PCPs and make the decision to get a fill source and a bigger/better gun way easier. Would make a good camping gun too if you didn't want to hault a tank or compressor around.
Save your damn money and get the compressor don't be foolish and buy this thing. You would end up spending more on the Nitro tanks then a compressor in the long run. Ever hear the phrase "A fool and his money will soon part", don't be the fool. Use common sense.
Yea it'd cost you over $111 to shoot through 500 pellet tin of 22 cal , 11 canisters 45 shots each. By the time you shoot 1500 pellets or 3 tins you could have afforded a cheap Chinese air compressor for right at 300.
The nitrogen cartridges appear difficult to source, I've found lots of small ones and the large ones appear to be for dispensing beverages @ $22 - $24.00 a piece. If that's what it's going to cost every time you want to go shootin', soon adds up, be better off buying a PCP with a budget compressor which will pay for itself over time. You could give me the gun for free but I'm not interested if have to pay $25 every time I use it. Unless of course I've got the price wrong and the price of Nitro cartridges for it are substantially cheaper. Is a nice gun tho', excellent value for $200
These are brand new, so you're not going to find them everywhere just yet. It's about $11.50 per cartridge (you buy in packs of two). But I get what you're saying. Either way, if you do the cost analysis based on how much you want to shoot, and decide to bite the bullet and buy a traditional PCP and fill source OR if you decide to go this route with the Komplete, I'm happy to get a newbie into the PCP fold.
think about those beverage tanks , now add an hpa refill conversion and now ya got 3600psi . is that mnot correct? refillable by hpa compresser or hand hpa pump easily. i think but waiting on pyramidair to confirm before i go buying anything. the last word @airgunz_militia you tube
Thanks Tyler and Umarex. Great N2 rifle. it works for a limited use pesting rifle in all weather conditions 👍👍. The Umarex Iconix should be a better choice for a "shooter who target practices and pests. I think the under $250 entry level PCP rifles are great and with a inexpensive Vevor hand pump, one has a much better platform. N2 is a great stable platform. Living in the Northwoods I wish it was used to replace the Co2 in air pistols for year round use and a more FPS.
Come on guy's it's a umarex the air guns world leader in cheap plastic pos guns I may a little jaded because any umarex I have had is a total piece of junk. Constantly buying $12 cartridges is a good way to get into pcp? The crossman 3622 is $200 with a pump if you find the deal. They didn't mention this at shot show because they would be laughed at. For what is available now days this is a horrible idea and will probably be flop for them. This is NOT a pcp it's is a cartarige gun. My comments are in no way against pyramyd air they are great and Tyler just doing his job
I'm typically a fan of umarex innovation, but i see this thing aging much like an air rifle equivalent to the 17 hm2. Or the caseless ammo that was supposed to be the new biggest thing 30 years ago. It was amazingly creative, but an answer to a question no one was really asking.
That's fair. My opinion, I don't see this as the next biggest thing...but is it a "thing"...absolutely. And I see a place for it, the question is, does the general airgun consumer. And that, we will all find out together.
@@pyramydair I definitely hope it gains traction, because if it does, the next evolution will be refillable cylinders. And that, combined with this form factor, I think could really take off. I'd probably have to have one then.
@@edwardmyirski7964 I don't think there's anything stopping Umarex (or anyone else for that matter) from doing that for this gun sooner than later. In fact, if they could do it and offer it as an additional accessory for the gun for $50 or so, I think they'd make the gun a lot more versatile and appealing to exisitng PCP owners.
Someone hunting and not shooting at lot I could see this working well at about .25 cents a shot. For someone that shoots 7 mags or so a day would get expensive. Maybe 7 mags a week to some people this might be ok. If you only shoot 7 mags a month, not too bad. Some people won't shoot 7 mags a year.
I agree. It makes sense in some instances, definitely not in others. Largely dependent on how much you shoot. Though, that might make for a nice opportunity for Umarex to release a stand alone refillable cylinder to convert this gun to a traditional PCP later on.
I'm not sure if this helps or hurts the sport to be honest. Sounds like the business model of an inkjet printer take the loss on the gun make up for it in the cost of the cartridges overtime.
I doubt it will hurt anything. If or how much it helps will depend on adoption. If it brings in new airgunners, then it's a win. But it will take time to see that play out.
$22.95 for a 2-pack of nitro cartridges for only about 50 shots per cartridge is EXPENSIVE! You're better off getting a real pcp to save money over time!
@stephene.barbin8036 ive got many pcp's. Top end guns to budget guns. I like the novelty of it. I like it for a change of pace and convenience. I wouldn't use it alot but it would be there ready to go
At $11.50 per cylinder for 40 shots? Total deal breaker for me. This is a more powerful alternative to CO2, but no way is it cheaper than PCP if you use it alot.
I agree on it not being cheaper if you plan to use it a lot, but as a entry point into PCPs, I do think it's a great package right out of the box, and that is something we haven't seen for this price in the PCP world yet.
Who would want to have to buy a pcp gun that you have to keep replacing the cartridge every 40 shots? you are better of just saving and buying a hand pump or small compresser because I am pretty sure those nitrogen cartridges will add up fast. terrible idea especially when you can buy the umarex notos for $269 and a hand pump for around $200 or less or a air venture avenger for $349. What is umarex even thinking with this gun? what a waste of time money and effort to make this. and no way in hell I would take this over a break barrel air rifle I guarantee that my weihrauch HW77k will out shoot this piece of crap any day of the week. Come on man seriuously? this is the best that umarex can come up with? talk about a step backwards.
It's meant for a low-commitment entry to PCPs for someone who is on the fence but doesn't want to spend the money. It's not meant for someone who either has a compressor or pump or is ready to purchase one.
@@pyramydair Or someone who just needs to eliminate nuisance pests from their backyard or garden now and again and doesn't want to invest a lot into the more sophisticated air rifles and accessories. I think it could be considered a "niche" item, which is not a bad thing as an entry-level air rifle. No hate meant.
@@pyramydair Ya I got that from the video and I will stand behind my original comment. So lets do a little math Umarex Notos cost $269.99 air venturi hand pump $129.99 which comes out to $399.98 the umarex komplete cost $192.99 plus $22.99 per 2 pack of cartridges. which is $216.89 and you will get about roughly 80 shots before you need 2 more catridges So lets add 8 more 2 packs of cartridges which comes out to $400.81. So lets say you like to shoot 2 times a week which is at a cost of $45.98 per week for the cost of the cartridges. Well in 3 to 4 weeks you have just spent enough to buy your hand pump for the umarex Notos. and have also spent just as much as if you had just bought the Umarex Notos with a hand pump in the first place. because after 3 to 4 weeks you are now spending more and more money for the air you need to shoot this gun but if you hand just done what I said you would happily be shooting and just spending money on pellets not air and pellets. So Ya I will stand by my first comment 100%. But I get it your in the business of promoting and selling this products and others like it and not necessarily in the business of giving the best advice to the new guy trying to get into the PCP world. Because your job is to promote and sell these new and existing products. But that is my 2 cents for what it is worth to anyone that gets to see this post before it mysteriously disappears.
This is awesome and will get many new shooters into the game. Or it's great for the part-time pestor I'm curious and I really hope that you can screw a bottle onto the front if someone wants to upgrade down the road
I’ve not tried it myself yet but I don’t think a standard 13ci regulated bottle will fit. Even if it did, you’d need a different output on that reg. But I can definitely see it coming as an add on accessory down the road to make this more appealing for existing PCP owners.
@@glenncoody I want to say it has to do with the way the cartridge is pierced which may be a part of the adapter that's attached to the gun that the cartridge screws into. Don't quote me on that. And yes, we don't have the cartridges on hand right now, but I'd anticipate them being readily available in the near future.
