Eyes on top will create a “swim” (swimming) fly where the fly will be oriented the way you see it in the vise, when retrieving it. Eyes under the shank will create a “jig” style fly and as shown will ride hook point up. There are also a number of variables related to different materials which were not tested, that will impact on the fly’s performance. Gunnar Brammer has an excellent illustration concerning eye placement on his Seasoned Geezer fly pattern tutorial.
I've always wondered thy the "right way" is for the point to ride up. I believe it would be a better experiment with bucktail or feathers on the hooks, because it wouldn't fall as fast, and it would have a chance to fall more naturally. If I'm making a tiny streamer (size 8 aberdeen hooks, for example) I usually use bead chain eyes so the point rides down. I don't feel like the tiny eyes would overcome the weight of the hook. It's just how I tie them, but people tell me I didn't wrong. I still catch fish, so how wrong can it be? LOL
At 5:45 you explain that the eyes are down, however they are still mounted on the top of the hook shank, this seems to be a similar case when you add the first fly. Is this all correct?
One thing you need to consider is that you would never use 4X tippet for a clouser minnow. Whenever I’m fishing clousers I use anything as large as 0.015” tippet all the way down to 0.010” depending on the size of the fly. I feel a more realistic representation would be to use the appropriate tippet for the hook. Otherwise good video.
Kinda went off the rails here. Why did we go from comparing eyes in different positions, to eyes in different positions with tippet, but no eyes in different positions dressed the same? That would have been the absolute confirmation. Like tie a clouser exactly the same, just change the eye position. I think we already know that one will ride hpu and one hpd, but it would have been cool to see you finish the experiment to its logical end🤷♂️
I found you a video to have a lot of good information in it. I also see one had a hook pointed up one had a hook pointed down with the eyes on the on the shank not in the eyelid of the hook. Thank you...
test is invalid...there is no body to control sinking, and it only landed on its back after it hit the hard glass bottom and rebounded, try that on sand bottom.
Excellent fly! It would be more beneficial to show the fly in the water with a more actual pulling and bumping motion rather than a jigging motion as we don't really jig flys. Just something I have noticed with many videos of many people.
Have you got a degree in the F in obvious. It will make a difference depending on the knot as a lefty loop causes a different action. Also holding the line so close probably makes a difference to the action. How you tie the fly will affect the drag. This gravity phenomenon is well known.
I take a small triangle file....file a small indention between the eyes and you can get them really close to centered on the shank. Just food for thought...
One very important consideration that you didn't cover is the occlusion of the hook gap. Tying the eyes inside the hook gap decreased hooking potential dramatically. If the goal was to make a heavily weighted fly ride hook down, a better option would be to weight the entire hook shank concentrically with tape or wire, and dress the fly more heavily atop the shank. More drag above, and slightly more weight (from the bend and point of the hook) below would likely make it ride hook point down without negatively impacting hooking potential to any great degree.
3 advantages: 1) The wire around the body makes the fly way more durable than a thread-based dubbing loop, which is essential for Pike/Muskie flies. 2) You can mix multiple materials of varying length more effectively 3) You get better portion control and can build tapers into the loop more easily
I made a brush combining schlappen and ice dub. Gunner Brammer has a video on it. It took me a few tries, but they turned out pretty well after some practice.
I tie the majority of my flies using composite loops. I'm going to attempt to turn my loops into brushes because I think it will help with speed and more importantly consistency. Consistency, as any good fly tier knows, is one of if not the most important aspect of fly tying.
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The eyes have to be heavy enough to offset the weight and balance of the hook bend & point plus materials if the goal is to ride point up. Of couse tying to a leader effects how the fly rides as well. Unless the intended presentation is bottom crawling, how a fly lands is far less important than how it rides being swung or stripped through water. Material selection and placement is as important for this as weight, type, and placement of eyes or beads.
