Hey, I'm Joe and welcome to Muscles & The Multiverse! I'm learning everything I can about the Marvel universe so you don't have to! I'm relatively new to all things Marvel, especially comics, and I know if I have a ton of questions about what's going, so do lots of other people.
If there’s a Agatha x Death love arch before Thanos or Deadpool I’m snapping the MCU again!!!!! But what if Death is waiting for Agatha’s soul that she promised her????? They are really keeping everything secretive !! And I love it!!! Now my brain also hurts now.
how would this theory make sense exactly? he's been born before billy and it doesn't explain Agatha's caution with him. yeah maybe because he knew about Agatha that'd be a clue but it ain't hooking.
That is an option, the only thing that holds me back from that is that Sylvie from Loki was kinda Enchantress but not really because in theory she was just another version of Loki. Not sure if they were going with a combined character there or not. But I'll still say Enchantress is on the table since they never really used her name.
@MusclesAndTheMultiverse but silvy from loki is a variant of loki and loki exist in the same universe as enchantress. So they would both have an enchantress from their own timelines. Also enchantress and scarlet witch are best friends in the comics would make sense to bring her in. I still really hope she's morgan tho we definitely got morgan in runaways.
A leaked toy confirmed . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . She is Death and Teen is Billy (Wiccan). Although the latter was so obvious most of us thought it was purposefully misleading.
I'm starting to catch on to the idea that Rio could be Death, I'm just curious how that will come into play with the whole thing of her being a green witch Also this could just be me over analyzing, but Rio Vidal means living river or river of life, which I couldn't help but draw a connection to the river styx, which in greek mythology is a river that separates the living from the dead
Yeah the whole Death thing and her being a green witch just doesn't add up. I do find that additional info very intriguing, just adding to more that her powers are probably related to the Earth since she is a green witch.
@@MusclesAndTheMultiverse For sure, I'm not sure if you saw the leaks or not but now we have confirmation on who they are... Now I'm just curious about an explanation through the show haha
She's death personified. They are setting up for the universal wars with include the beings birthed before the universe. Death,infinity, and their brothers eternity who "love" thors adopted daughter was born from. Plus the celestial and Phoenix galactus and silver surfer
I'm planning on it since from what I understand he may be showing up in the Fantastic Four movie next year... most likely as a baby, but he will be at least introduced to the MCU. That video will probably come out closer to when that movie comes out though.
There's so many have yet to be debuted but besides Agatha Harkness there is Nightmare, Blackheart, Ghostrider, Clea, Dr.Strange, Scarlet Witch, Cthon, Mesphisto,Wiccan, Morgan le fay,Dr. Druid, Dr. Voodoo,Magik,Malik, Pixie, Nico Minouro
Yeah there's definitely a ton that have not been used yet in the MCU including Magik, Enchantress, Wiccan (although he may show up soon...), and even Dr. Doom.
Ppl keep saying that but gaea is old old. Like older than Thor. There are so many ways to tie a character to death that doesn’t necessarily have to be an ancient primordial being but gaea just seems above the witches road and Agatha even tho so is death she could be a facsimile of death like knull to
It never occurred to me until now is what if Rio Vidal is Nicholas Scratch but reincarnated as death? 😮 like Rio said she can’t kill her and if she’s dead and Agatha attacks her Agatha will absorb death!! Omg
She could be...? Maybe they combine Mephista and Blackheart together. The only thing that keeps throwing me off is the marketing around her being a "green witch."
Rio could be death. The tarot cards showing death holding the same knife that we see Rio with when she attacks Agatha. And we also see many references to death in the form of rats and crows keeping their eye on Agatha. But I also see the possibility of her being Morgan le fey. She's the one that locked Chtan in Mount Wondagore, which Wanda destroyed, probably releasing him, which is why Rio (Morgan, leader of the Darkholders) would be looking for help putting him back. Also, I think Mrs Hart is Mephisto and Teen is Billy (Wiccan) Wanda's son.
@@MusclesAndTheMultiverse Which spell would Wanda lift? Wanda absorbed her powers and Agatha’s not likely to win them back in a fight. What she needs from the Road is just for her power to be restored, quick and simple, but not Wanda. I can easily see Teen resurrecting her if the theory of him being Billy ends up true though.
I'm not a Marvel fan but I'm watching this because of Kathryn Hahn, Aubrey plaza and Joe Locke. And from now everything they are in I will be watching. So at least it was worth for me to watch more content from Kathryn Hahn.
That's awesome and I'm glad you're watching and enjoying it! Kathryn Hahn is amazing and the rest of the cast is doing a great job so far. Appreciate you watching and taking the time to leave a comment!
I looooooovveee this series!! So grateful that they hired Joe Locke to the service because I love heartstopper and someone who is part of the LGBTQ community. It’s so great to actually have a character who happens to be gay in a marvel show.😊
@@MusclesAndTheMultiverse no guess not but to act like it’s as good as it once was is bs new marvel hasn’t been invested in the characters and stories there focuses are agendas political points and if that’s your jam man all the power to ya but it’s not for the fans that have been fans clearly the shows and movies are not doing as well and that’s why. Agatha when first announced I was hyped for it but not long after seeing how everything has been going I knew it would be bad and it was as the majority seems to agree! Don’t take a comment personally Man U can like it more power to ya
"Old" Marvel, just like "New" Marvel, has always pointed out political points and "agendas." But somehow, "the fans that have been fans" missed that. Why would I not take a comment personally if you come at me saying that I'm lying for Disney??
@@MusclesAndTheMultiverse but some how fans missed that or your making up shit where there is no shit to begin with! If you need stories talking about I’m gay gay gay gay I’m awesome like me by the way did you know I’m gay and awesome and everyone better love me and like my show if they don’t they are clearly haters with no real reason to not like new marvel they give me a break! When your show puts agendas and politics before story and characters you’ve already lost!
It’s just the incel portion of the MCU fandom that is really hating on it now… but they were always going to have a problem with its premise, casting, etc.
@@blakej1892 way to simplify that I can’t believe you would ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT as if they acting dialogue wasn’t horrible and I love Kathrine and Plaza but that don’t make it a good show I’m curious what you think was good about it?
@@Exiled.New.Yorker I phrased my comment wrong. I meant I felt that Ms.Hart is actually Rio posing/pretending to be an old lady so she can stab Agatha in the back.
I think they're keeping Teen's identity a secret not just because of the plot, but because they want it to be a surprise to those who AREN'T familiar with the comics or who Wiccan is or his origins. It's hilariously obvious to comic fans that it is Wiccan, but the surprise at the eventually reveal isn't meant for us Also this show in general is doing a great job of serving two purposes I think - it's for those who enjoyed Kathryn's performance/character in WandaVision, but it's likely a great stepping stone to really developing magic in the MCU and Wanda's eventual return. Like I don't think there was any better show and set of characters that could've done both of those things. People may have not asked for the show, but we definitely need it! I highly doubt though that Sharon is Mephisto or Blackheart. That connection makes zero sense when you take the comics into account. I do think that the "requirements" for the road are flexible - Sharon may not be a witch but her and Agatha talking about her garden, panning out to show her green house, Sharon saying she has a green thumb, I think she worked because she just has a lot of ties to earth. I don't think the rules of being a witch are something that has extremely specific requirements.
Hey! Thanks for all of these points and totally agree that the reveal of Teen as Wiccan is for anyone who isn't familiar with the comics. I love your point on developing more of the magic side of things in the MCU because it's true we haven't gotten much of it. After reading your points on Mrs. Hart, I do believe you're correct on the requirements for the door opening. While having her be Blackheart or Mephisto is a long shot, I still personally believe that she isn't a normal person. Whether she's a witch and doesn't know it and/or someone is working through her. Either way, I truly appreciate your insight and using your time to watch and leave a comment on my video 🙏
@@MusclesAndTheMultiverse Yeah! It could go any direction, I'm excited to see what happens regardless ^^ I love all your videos btw, keep up the great work!! 🫶🏻
Agatha seemed to think they could do it without one. They wanted one ro survive the road so she placated them. So she may not be magical. And Teen was trying to buy time I guess. Sitting down was foolish though. Loving it so far.
While I get your point and totally agree that Kirby, Ditko, and other artists played a vital role in helping Marvel grow, they weren't the only ones. To me, this is like saying because Robert Downey Jr and Chris Evans acted every single day on set of *insert Marvel movie here* that's what made it successful. When in reality there are eleventybillion names in the credits after a movie.
@@MusclesAndTheMultiverse When you call Stan Lee the creative force behind Marvel Comics, in reality he was nothing but a Horn Blower telling everyone to "Make Mine Marvel "!!!!!!!!
This is a great thought! I know the MCU kinda used her with Sylvie's character but they never really said it. Plus Sylvie was just another Loki, so Enchantress could still be possible.
The sad truth is, well, to most, not me. I love and respect Stan Lee. New Marvel readers will (more than likely), name Stan Lee, first, as someone they recognize or heard of. Very few will say “Jack King’ 2:02 Kirby”, or “Steve Ditko”. It is just the reality of the situation. Do not get me wrong, I have massive respect for all three men. Been a reader of Marvel comics for decades. Keep up the sensational work, sir.
Hey, thanks so much for watching and leaving a comment and the kind words. I definitely fall into the category of newer Marvel fan and really only knew of Stan Lee. As I've gotten deeper into comics, I've come to know of Kirby, Ditko, and so many more artists and others that have made Marvel what it is. I still truly believe it was a team effort and that Marvel would be not even close to where it is without any of these men and the others that were a part of Marvel in the early days.
I think for Jennifer Kale she's only focused on Potions in Agatha All Along due to being cursed to not be able to use her magic. Thus drawing her to go down the Witch's Road so she can finally get rid of it. Whether we'll see more if her comic book powers if she does lift it is left to be remained though. I can't wait to see more of the tv show. Edit: Binded to be magic-less
This is a great thought and something I didn't even think about! I think you're probably right, but we know how Marvel doesn't always adapt from the comics exactly. Truly appreciate you watching and taking the time to leave a comment! 💯
The darkhold is integral to the binding of chthon.. if there is no darkhold.. chthon is free.. morgan le fay actually created the darkhold as part of the binding spell that binds chthon to wundagore.. morgan agatha and Wanda are the maiden mother crone.. they are the fates.. Wanda cannot physically be corrupted by the darkhold just like neither can morgan nor agatha being the fate.. the green witch represents the earth mother Gaia whom morgan actually is.. the fates Aka the norn nornir the furies the moirai whatever you call them.. the morrigan.. only wandas mind can be corrupted.. and only because she lacks the experience and maturity.. morgan and agatha are ancient.. Wanda is a baby witch.. hence the maiden.. morgan is the mother.. and agatha the crone.. morgan created the darkholders to help her achieve her tasks.. being she is vulnerable to iron and it takes iron to bind chthon via binding all his magical tomes into one iron bound book.. we know as the darkhold.. Wanda existed prior to the first cataclysm as well but was a sacrifice to stop tiamat the celestial from being born.. see earth is Midgard where the tree of life was planted.. it's roots descend to hell and its branches to heaven.. the tree of life is where all mana aka magic comes from. Chthon is the master of no magic.. he's merely corrupted the magic he tapped into.. and thus the souls and minds who are touched by his perverting of the sacred mana.. the norn are the guardians of the tree of life and the weavers of the threads of fate.. the darkhold can't not exist.. unless chthon be released..
