Either T1 remora from morphic pool (dont giving away free information) still hoping for a land either for the mox or if white using it for the sentinel. Or T1 Sentinel to avoid the fish pact followed by a T2 remora if you didn't draw any other mana source. But best one... Just mulligan one hand lands.
I also recommend hull breaker. Obviously it makes inf mana with the usual loop, but more importantly once it makes inf mana it continues the loop with tivit to draw deck off inf clues. Also wins with the one ring or obm loops if your under drannith. Great alt win con.
Why… would you play a Mox Diamond and discard your ONLY LAND, MISSING YOUR LAND DROP, when you could’ve just…. played the land for turn… this can’t be a real play that way made by a cEDH player. You even put a land in your graveyard for the Deathrite Shaman ON THE BOARD to use next turn! WHY?!
You said you wanted to get crypt to cast rhytic. If im not mistaken, you had already land dropped and only had black white available, so the reasoning didnt make much sense to me. Thanks for posting!
@TheUrDragon25 your right i totally mistapped. I realized right as i was about to resolve DC but wasnt going to ask the table if i could tap different after priority was passed
just want to note, while Mystic made sense as a t1 play given the Morphic, I think once you drew the Mox you should have switched over to Esper Sentinel instead. reason is this: early game fish can often result in a pact between opponents (like what happened here); this pact only becomes appealing because they know that eventually the fish will die on its own... unlike an Esper Sentinel. I can't think of a single time when the table agreed to not cast non creature spells because of a Sentinel... can't say the same for fish. who knows if either would have been fed much, but ES gives a higher likelihood of successfully drawing out of the drought in my opinion.
The Nadu Player absolutely let that Dark Ritual resolve, and then backtracked AFTER the Toxic Deluge came down. It was far too late to counter the Dark Ritual, he already drew off Rhystic Study, did not say anything about responding, and THEN ASKED how much life the Player was paying for the Toxic. This was strictly cheating, unsure why the table allowed it: you can’t rewind time and counter a spell that already resolved, ESPECIALLY after having gotten additional information on the next card an opponent was playing. I would’ve shut that down immediately.
Good points! I was not paying as close of attention as i felt like i jumped straight from dark rit to toxic and felt i didnt give the table enough time to pass priority.
I dont know. Priority wasnt passed. Seems fine to me, I think mike did the right thing and i am pretty sure a judge call would not have gone Mike's way as priority was not passed.
@@TheUrDragon25 Here's the problem: Toxic Deluge pays life as cost for casting the spell, and it is a Sorcery, which means turn player cannot cast it until the stack is clear. By asking "How much life do you pay to the Toxic Deluge?", the Nadu player is acknowledging that the spell is being cast, and costs must be paid. I don't think any judge worth their salt is going to side with the Nadu player, here. Watching the footage, it's very clear that the Nadu player has no intention of countering the Dark Ritual UNTIL he realizes that a Toxic Deluge is coming down (which means it's already too late to counter it, the Toxic Deluge cannot be cast without the mana in the pool to cast it). It's a scummy shark move, that happened to look okay to the naked eye because the turn player played fast. I mean, come on... in what world dwould you mental misstep the Dark Ritual here WITHOUT knowing that it's a deluge coming down? Watch the footage again, he only counterspelled after he realized that the player had no mana to cast the deluge without the ritual.
@@evanprimeau3810 i never heard him say "pay how much life". He could be checking costs for ritual as he is new. I don't know. I see your point and I hope you see mine. It is suspect, I agree but I didn't see priority properly passed from my perspective.
@@TheUrDragon25 Start at 26:33, here is the literal dialogue that is had, and then please have the gall to tell me this wouldn't be the quickest judge call imaginable: Mike: "Gonna tap the swamp for Dark Ritual?" Alex: "Uh, I have a Rhystic Trigger?" Mike: "Yup, paid." Alex: "Okay." Mike: "Then I will Toxic Deluge." Alex: "With the Three, okay... um.... Paying what? Oh wait, how much, wait what'd you do to the... what's the... is that Dark Ritual?" Mike: "Yeah." Alex: "Yeah, I'll pay two life to Mental Misstep that." One of the other players: (Whistles at the sheer balls on this guy to try and pull that.) This is cut and dry. Alex realized that Mike didn't have the mana to play the Toxic Deluge without using the Dark Ritual mana, which he ACKNOWLEDGED WAS IN THE POOL IN THE TRANSCRIPT, so he did some blubbering cheater math in his head and decided that he should try and shark the table by acting like he wanted to respond to the Dark Ritual with the Mental Misstep he opted NOT TO CAST before. Priority was definitely passed, Alex had plenty of time to ask for the Rhystic Trigger AND SAID, "Okay" to the spell. That is a textbook "I'm cool with that" in cEDH. It's cut and dry. Alex cheated here.
No chance my man. But its basically playing all the pingers and curiousity effects. Xyris, Niv-Mizzet and old thrasios and vial smasher lists do play that way
I don't know if it would have changed anything but I would have told the Stella player that the bowmaster would have been pointed at the Nadu player and him only; not countering it would have been beneficial to the table seeing that they all fed him cards and there's an engine on the field that would allow you to keep the creature count low as well. Not to mention, it would not have left him wide open to get his wheel MBT'd...
Ya, i thought about that too after the game. My polotic skill isn't always the best. And since nadu didn't have a boardstate yet, i didn't want to start over poloticing and fear mongering the nadu player.
Nah, this is crossing the line. it's one thing to ask for a draw, it's another thing to alter how you play the game to try to force a draw. Miscasting the demonic tutor did it for me. Letting his "draw pact" button demo tutor but not letting the other guy tutor means that he's letting the "pact" affect his plays. He's not playing to win, he's playing to draw. Giving him more outs because of collusion. Would have called a judge.
Agreed, but there was no monitary value discussed, so it's not really breaking the rules. Also, we all knew going into it that that drawing would get the other 3 into the top 16. I had to play to win to get to the top 16. Old doc lime was trying to force my hand into drawing because i can't fight through everyone feeding rhystics.
@15:40 there was a misplay; Derevi was put onto the battlefield and he received his triggered ETB while you had Elesh Norn under your control. He shouldn't have gotten that trigger to untap. Edit; just saw it was only 2 untaps rather than 3, so never mind. He did not get the ETB untap trigger.
ima be honest, i don't know how making a pact to draw if either of them win would work, because its collusion adjacent because they wont interact with each other, and like in the video, actively help each other "win".
Your probably not wrong. Im not a judge but feel like what they did was no different then offering a split. No prizes were discussed. Sadly i was the only one that need to win that game to go to top 16. Everyone else could have drawn that pod to get in
@@BAdCommander thats the thing, you just dont offer the draw, just tell them before hand, if it comes down to it youll have the person win then draw, so then the other two are incentivized to actually play to win.
@vincentfeng9802 i was the only person insentivised to play to win. The other 3 were garunteed top 16 with a draw. It was a bit of a bully tactic but i have zero ways to win and a draw was better then a loss for me
@owentaylor9777 i understand what your saying but my laptop just doesnt have the processing power to do that. Plus theres the full time commitment to do stuff like that. Maybe once youtube starts paying me 30 cents ill beable to.
Never matter what what i flip them. People always want it a different way. Realistically id like the names and life total to cover the majority of the non play space.
In tivit right now, just Strix Serenade. In Prossh, I'll be testing out the red flare and warren soultaker. In kinnan, I'm testing iut the storm drake.
I disagree. 90% of tourny use the same point system. The only difference is that the top players are playing at inperson tournys and not all in what was the premiere online event. Online events now rarely get to over 40 players. If anything, the meta is dominated more if the top players show up.
@@BAdCommander now i'm sad there's never any tournys in modesto ca my goal is to get into the seen just fished my deck now blinging it out waiting on my webcam to get in a online one but in person is my goal
Seems like a punt on your last turn. Had 7 mana floating. Should have cast Kinnan for 6, used the one remaining to cast mana vault. Tap mana vault for 4 to activate moonsilver key and cast basalt. Then channel the colorless mana into Treasure Vault. You had all the pieces but timed it wrong.
Your not wrong. I also had a clone in hand that would have solved the issue as well. It was paralasys by analasys. I just didnt see the line. The problem with tournys is that slow play is a pain and tends have people missplay from rushing.
@@BAdCommander i just built a kinnan deck so ive been watching all your content featuring him. As long as you keep posting frequently its fine cause the videos themselves are enjoyable
Did it go to draw due to time? If so, the 2nd seat player probably should have received a warning due to delaying the game. More often than not, he took way longer on his turn than needed. He didn't have more than 7 cards in hand except one time, and even then it was only 8. Spending over 10 minutes a turn while not doing very much seems kinda egregious. In contrast, the 3rd seat player was taking long turns as well but was actually making meaningful game actions.
Yeah yeah but so was long enough. We were in time when Angels Grace was played. Slow play is hard to call there's no real hard and fast rules on it. It's really up to the players in the game to call a judge
I did have a discussion with the table. I didnt feel like i needed to negotiate the pact. We should have discussed the stax piece sisay was going to get.
Because in a tournament what are you supposed to do? Should he just scoop? Some decks rely on having four players in a pod. I'm a big fan of playing your cards and playing to your outs.
