For me ,it is hard to say that who is the goat between Ma Long and Zhang jike in new era .Ma long achieves more because he has more opportunities to play in major tournaments .Zhang jike has few opportunities to participate in big games.But every time Zjk participates in major tournaments, he just won it from 2011 to 2014 .Btw, Zjk doesn’t not participate in World Cup in 2012 and in 2013 and some of the continental tournament during his peak as his coach don’t let him play, Zjk totally got mistreated . ZJK IS A TRUE LEAGEND and big game player , in 2011, it is his first time to participate in WTTC men single and he just won it. I can confirm that nobody can do it besides Zjk . Let’s count how many times Ma Long and Zjk participate in WTTC men single throughout their career .Ma Long ( 8 times ),but Zjk ( only 4 times😢 )still got 2 gold medals and won against Xu Xin (4:0) in semifinal in 2013 .Also, let’s count how many times Ma Long and Zjk participate in World Cup . Ma Long (8 times), Zjk (only 3 freaking times😢 )but he still got 2 gold medals and managed to win against Ma Long in 2014 . 🎉I can say that nobody can achieve this incredible level with such few chance to participate in major tournaments .My English is not that good 😂Hope you all can understand what I wrote.
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Ma Long The Dragon! The Captain! The Dictator! The Hexagon Warrior! The Most Complete Player! The Master of All Techniques and Tactics! The Walking Table Tennis Textbook! The Genius! The King of Epic Plays! The Winning Machine! The Record Breaker! The History Maker! The Most Accomplished Table Tennis Player! The Table Tennis GOAT!
Liu Shiwen is really a bit like her mixed partner Xu Xin. Extremely good players but couldn't quite match their god-like teammates in singles. It's not their fault that they couldn't beat the likes of Ma Long and Li Xiaoxia
It is very subjective opinion. Still, i think Ma long has the best technique and fundamentals, his proficiency is unmistakable..but again, TT is more than just technique,.Liu Guoliang brings RPB to TT, but Wang Hao is developing it even further. Waldner is master in anticipation, a classic example of control and counter. And last, your chance in winning a game is relatively slim without being aggressive, hard-hitting and fast, you take calculated risk, but you may reap the reward, it is Ma Lin' style of play.
I think winning a grand slam is not the best criteria for determining the GOAT. Sure, it is a good part of the argument for Ma Long, but there are many other features as well -- such as longevity and contributions to the game of table tennis. I don't think Zhang Jike should be part of the conversations about the GOAT. Sure, he won the grand slam, but he was only at the top of the game for about one year. He was good, but I don't think he contributed much to the game. Also, I think that Ma Lin, Wang Hao, and Wang Liqin should be part of the conversation about the GOAT. They were all far more long-lived than Zhang Jike, and they each contributed significantly to the game in terms of style and strategy. The fact that none of them got a grand slam is only due to all three of them being exceptionally good -- if Zhang Jike had been around in the 2000s, he would not have won a grand slam either. It should also be considered that Liu Guoliang drastically changed the style of table tennis, and he INVENTED the reverse penhold backhand (RPB) which is what has kept the penhold grip alive in the modern era. FWIW, I think it's much more impressive to win 3 olympic silver medals than a single olympic gold. This is a good argument for Wang Hao over Zhang Jike.
Come on mate, you don't know how good ding song is. He is at least on par with joo sey hey. Just because ding didn't have big title doesn't mean he was average. At his peak time, he was as good as the super class players. Secondly hou ying chao is a very skilled player, might be #3 in the list. He beat primorac and lots of first class players, achieved Chinese national championship twice(in the second time beat Wang chuqing in the finals) - how many players can do that in your list?
Ma long is the goat no doubt But Waldner was more talented at my opinion He deserved the title of Mozart Ma long has a classic game very solid but not really beautiful like Waldner Waldner id Federer of table tennis
While I don't disagree with the result, I disagree with the method to consider only grand slam winners somewhat. Reason is that the world cup only exists since 1980, and you automatically exclude older players by that
Karakašević for me simply because of talent. Pretty sure that Waldner himself said that he wouldn't be able to beat king Kara if he trained more... Also he beat Liu at his peak
Timo's career overlaped with the period when China had absolute dominance. At almost all times Timo was facing 3 Chinese players at his level, if not margianlly higher. Plus the Chinese players had world class coaches and practice partners who know every little detail about Timo's game. He still managed to put up a decent fight. What a legend
Hello. Very good list of defenders! I would definitely agree with the best chopper of all time in Joo as he was consistently in the Top 15 and Top 10, but you have left one of the greatest of all time off this list! Li Gun Sang of North Korea. He was in the Top 10 players of the world and defeated many of the greatest players of all time. Make sure you add him to this list!
I believe you should also mention Chen Xinhua, who was the first Chinese modern defender that came to Europe and Li Gun Sang from PRK. Unfortunately, with the bigger and plastic ball the defenders became an endangered species, to be rarely seen at the highest level of competition.
Your text - "...of all time". Bergman won his first gold at the World Championships in 1937. By the way, for 67 years he remained the youngest world champion in table tennis. Zoltan Berczik №1 classification in 1956 year. Chen Xin-Hua №6 in 1987.
Waldner is GOAT. No one had more talant and skills and from a county with 8 millions people that could sharpen his skills compared to China with a billion. Think about it.
