Wait, hole up hole up......Vlady was a rental. he barely played in Fla length wise. Montour....30 yrs old. Fla was never giving him that money for a guy likely on the downside of greatness. Signed all the key pieces and the question marks are the 4th line and replacement defense. Can they get back to the playoffs? Sure. They have good players coming up (Sourdif, Samoskevich) and guys like Gadjovech who will give them quality minutes in the bottom 6. Again, the Zito magic is going to be the question. Who did he sign that can help stay on top? Will the brotherly duo help create another deep run or not? Nosek? Fla seems to be a place guys come to rehab their careers and get paid after going deep now. Who knows.
82 points on a very mid team 2 years ago, now he either plays next to Drai or Mcdavid, which we all saw what that did for Hyman. He will be amazing horrible take tbh
If the contract wasn't so short, I'd be worried. Also what lack of depth? Other than injury replacements (and maybe defensive depth, I could see that argument), Edmonton has perhaps the best forward depth in the league (granted I'm an Oilers fan, so I may be bias).
Skinner stood out on a Canes team with lackluster coaching ..and agreed to a trade to a Buffalo team that wasn’t getting good results. He played very well and likely the outsize contract and more uneven coaching..a tough recipe for any quality player. He has never had chance for playoffs. The opportunity in Edmonton..he has certainly earned it.
I remember many journalist at the start of the playoffs picking Dallas to win the cup because they had more depth than any team in the league. Six weeks later those same journalists were saying the Oilers beat them because they had more depth.
@@shawnwharry952 I think the Stars did have greater depth than the Oilers, but guys like Brown and Janmark stepped up their game. Oilers added Arvidsson and Skinner and subtracted Foegele. Henrique is technically their 4th line centre. Incredible depth now
@@shawnwharry952 I think they keep Brown Janmark and Henrique together. They were dynamite last year. Holloway plays centre with Kane and Perry. I guess those two lines are interchangeable
Not sure about Steve saying concern about EDM depth ? EDM lines Rnh McDavid hyman Skinner Drais arvidsson Janmark Henrique brown Podh Savoie perry Ryan Lavoie N if they go nuclear meaning they put Drais and McDavid together from time to time n add a healthy mean pf Evander Kane back from injury. Drais McDavid hyman Henrique rnh arvidsson Skinner Savoie Kane Janmark Ryan brown Extra Lavoie Podh Kane likely ltir to start. And they can accrued cap space. D is concern on the right but they will add a right shot d as the year goes on. Emberson Skechers brown or pto will have a shot for 25-45 games. More mobile to start this season compared to Desharnais and Ceci that mainly played the right side last regular season . Ekholm Bouchard Nurse Emberson Kulak sketch Brown Same left side d that played in game 7 along with Bouchard. It is after Bouchard. Can Emberson be serviceable until there is a trade closer to the deadline. Kane ltir will accured for cap space.
And the capitals are better than the Red Wings.. PERRIODTT.. they just rode a hot goalie at the right time.. the Red Wings weather made the playoffs if Dylan Larkin wasn't hurt and we didn't have that seven-game losing streak.. keep hatin tho😤 Detroit vs EVERYONE!! 🔥🔥🔥
The reason you feel that way about the Red Wings is because you don't know exactly what's going on here.. Stevie-Y is working on getting the younger guys developed and the playoffs are a bonus to that, HOWEVER ☝️ it isn't the be-all of end-all.. he's doing basically what Brad Holmes on the Detroit Lions are doing and setting up the future and to have a competitive team that's contending for the Stanley Cup for years to come.. he said plenty of times in this pressure that he could have easily went out and signed a big free agent and be able to make the playoffs for 2 or 3 seasons but then you put your team in future cap hail whereas now he has the cap under control for the most part and the development of the young guys will have this team making their own splash from within within the next 2 years.. this team will shock everybody but it may take another year or two... People are just looking for it in a different way.. I mean if you guys want to dismiss the Red Wings that's fine but we know what's about to happen here in Detroit!😤 YOU ARE WITNESSING THE YZER-PLAN I JUST TOLD YOU!.. 😒
Tarasenko aint no steal. Good veteran presense maybe, but while he was good for Florida with 9pts in playoffs, he was no cornerstone in their cup win with the 11th best points of the team.
He's a steal for Detroit and he'll help.. the Red Wings will improve.. the youth will evolve.. can you put on know what they're doing in Detroit over there but they're evolving and developing their players and that's all that matters... No one else's opinions matters.. there's no pressure on Steve Yzerman because he's doing it the right way and anyone with half of intellect as well as have played the game and managed probably can see that..
LOL! "Steve" forgets one important thing: Do you sign (32) Stamkos for ANOTHER 4 YEARS at 8 mil/per or try to get YOUNGER with Guentzel? You clearly don't know what Stammer is NOW vs what Guentzel is NOW. 5v5 Stammer isn't a name. He's a PP specialist at this point in his career. The Lightning have become younger, over the long term and better. We'll retire Stammer's jersey and he'll be a first ballot HoF'er as a Bolt. But it's obvious the Lightning are a better team today then they were WITH Stamkos and WITHOUT Guentzel.
My Bolts have done the best they can to CONTINUE their success, in the long term. The Pens are an example of a team that has NOT done this. DESPITE bargaining away their future draft picks. This is the BEST they can do, despite the obstacles of COVID and whatnot. This guy laments the loss of Stamkos...as do ALL Lightning fans. The fact is, we COULD NOT get younger (and potentially better) by adding Guentzel AND keep an aging Stammer. We've cycled out Stammer, Killorn, Gourde, TJ, Palat...and have added Guentzel, Paul, Easymonte, Hagel, Cirelli, Point...and the rest. Making Kuch and Heddy the "old men" on the team vs a team FULL of 32+ year olds. You can either give out LEGACY CONTRACTS (like the Pens have done) or MOVE ON and try to re-build through youth. The Bolts are re-building in an amazing way, considering the position they're in.
What you didn't mention was that Florida Winning Saved more than the NHL, it created something missing from the Florida Hockey culture: a team to revere and for kids to aspire to be here in SO Florida. So, only 2.5 weeks ago Fla wins. The following day my grandson (4) is going to his ice skating session group. There are usually 3 or 4 kids wearing Panther gear and one annoying brat wearing Ranger sweaters. That week, Panther gear is all over the ice. 80% of the kids, even the girls are wearing Panthers sweaters. The ice hockey teams exploded in signups which ironically were that week here in So Fla. Kids talking on the sideboards about Tkachuk, Barkov, and Reino. Talking about winning their own Game 7 shot. That has NEVER EVER EVER occurred down here. There was no game they could point to to discuss it in context. It was already growing, but now it will explode. It's what SO Fla hockey has needed. A SC champion to point to for the kids to aspire to. Guys like Geeke and even Greer now with the Panthers came from So Fla. but now it's a bit more meaningful. If they win a second, it's gonna be bedlam down here on the ice sheets and Gretzky is building a new facility just 30 min from me.
it certainly is well documented that while superstars result in regular season success, depth is what wins games in the playoffs. Pretty easy to think about how deep dynasty teams have stacked up like the Lightning anywhere from 2015-2022 or Penguins anywhere from 2008-2017 or the Kings anywhere from 2011-2014 or the Blackhawks anywhere from 2009-2017 or Red Wings at any time from 1991-2013 or the Islanders in the early 80s to name some. Even teams that weren't dynasties but were quite dominant like the 2007 Ducks, 2011 Canucks, 2017 Predators, 2018 Capitals, 2020 Stars, the 2022 Avalanche or the Bruins in 2011, 2013 and 2019. Those respective clubs in those respective times had the success they did because they had everybody contribute not just the star players.
@@ggraffin02 Well there one I guess but honestly most Panthers fan have only been fans since 2022 there were made fun of for not having sell out crowds before.
@@PennyFitzgeraldFan You keep moving the goal posts and you seem to be a simpleton. Perhaps the NJ Devils fan boards are a more appropriate place for people like you with 2 neurons fighting for third place? Have a wonderful weekend drooling on yourself.
Even days after the Cats won the Cup people are acting like it was a fluke or the refs helped them or they didn't deserve it and it's all just a bunch of sour grapes. The NHL has no one to blame but themselves for sending fantastic hockey players to the state of Florida, and Sunrise has come up with a fantastic combination of players that may never play as pretty as the likes of McDavid, but they get the job done nonetheless and they get it done with passion and power. Long live this iteration of the Florida Panthers, they're securing a new legacy here.
Teams win championships, especially in hockey, where your best player is on the ice -- MAYBE -- 45% of the game (if it's a defenseman) and actually playing the puck or effecting play even less. So, the Panthers winning made sense as they had the deeper team and a goalie who could steal a game (Game 1). But that's also why using championships when comparing individuals gets a little messy. Bobby Orr was the best player in the game before the Bruins won a second playoff series with him. In 2 of the first 3 years that Lemieux had overtaken Gretzky as the dominant individual (of the moment), the Pens still missed the playoffs. Mike Bossy has 4 Stanley Cups because he's a sniper and shared the locker room with Trottier, Potvin, Smith and tremendous role players (Tonelli, Henning, Morrow, Sutter, Persson, etc.). As Jim Matheson, who has covered the Oilers since the WHA days said, "The difference between McDavid and Gretzky is Gretzky had Kurri, Messier, Anderson, Kevin Lowe, Paul Coffey and Grant Fuhr. McDavid has Leon Draisaitl."
Florida would have very easily ended up like Phoenix, they had more playoff success than the Coyotes for sure, but lets take a tally of the similarities up until game 7 - legacy of failure, never won a cup - been around 30 years - in traditionally non-hockey markets where other markets criticize and question why are they even there - decades of ownership and management woes - many seasons of empty arenas. leading to point 3. If Florida choked in a reverse sweep, it would have destroyed the franchise. It would have started a chain reaction that saw the cats leave florida. Im a Canadian who's main team is Ottawa. and Im saying it now, after we lost the Coyotes, we dont need that. Win or lose, Edmonton isnt going anywhere. For Florida, it was the most important game in their franchise history. Its not even close
But also Florida had been building up to this. For the fans down here in South Florida who have been here from the beginning (1994 for me), the decades of brutal ownership and management was unbearable at times - and I even stopped going to games because I really thought the team was getting moved. But when Vinny Viola bought the team circa 2015, the tide started to turn. This owner wanted to win - that was his only goal. They agreed to part ways with Dale Tallon and hired Bill Zito, which was the best move this franchise has ever made. He and his staff have single-handedly turned this franchise around in short order. Zito traded Mike Matheson & Colton Sceviour for Patrick Hornqvist... THAT was the start of this team's culture change. They made the playoffs in the bubble & lost to the Islanders, made the playoffs the following year and lost to Tampa Bay in the first round, won the President's Trophy the year after & lost in second round to Tampa Bay, they made playoffs and went to the Final last year, and this year won the Cup. I think teams need to have the right owners, management, coaching staff, and players to win the Cup - you just can't have one without the other. You cannot have a good team but a bad coach, or a good coach with a good team and bad management. Over the last 5 years, this team has been building it's identity and culture. This team will be winning for a long time.
There's a huge difference. Arizona never had a home built for them. Florida had one built, they had an early Stanley Cup appearance. They've built state of the art training facilities, and no state tax. I'm from Florida, living in Arizona for the last twelve years. The term transient applies, but there are far more long term Florida residents that have grown up there. There are more Californians in Arizona. That leads to no real fan base for any of the franchises. Tampa proved you can have an elite franchise in Florida. Just like Dallas has in Texas, and now Vegas in Nevada. The narrative of Florida and Arizona being similar franchises isn't anywhere near accurate. Especially the last decade. I'd be more worried about Winnipieg if I was afraid of losing a team. Great fans, but they're losing money despite that somehow. Even with the richest owner in Canada, they need to get it fixed.
Superstars are great, only hockey is the ultimate team sport. McDavid IMO knows this and did a great job as a leader. He seemed to care less about the Conn Smythe trophy or accolades, and I could be wrong. The push of his talent was a sales pitch by the Oil Can management, media, and league marketing. The guy is a warrior and they way they stopped penalty kills had me baffled. Don't know whats missing on their squad other then the puck bouncing in their favor.
Great then let’s give the conn smythe to someone from the winning team who actually was the most valuable player in getting their team to the Stanley cup.
Thanks for cutting through the noise. Even as a Canadian I was so tired of the McDavid-centric media and fan reporting as if all the stats and history of the cup go out the window when he's on the ice. It obviously was not the case. Edmonton responded in game 7 the way Florida did in game 4. I was cheering for Florida last year and I was cheering for them this year. Florida was the 'complete package' which begins in the net. I lived through the dynasty era of the 1970s and 1980s. This Edmonton team is in the vacinity, but not there yet. I think Skinner's performance puts him into the conversation for next year. I freakin' loved Mike Bossy!
Just have to look at history. Henri Richard won 11 championships. Winning one Stanley Cup, to me, doesn't mean "Automatic Goat." Love the support, thank you for watching!
@@PucktalkCSthe Richards won when thier were 6 teams ( and m very old,72). 2 teams had horrible owners but interestingly women in the USA hate hockey because of the fighting
@@Hogtownboy1 [Greg Wyshynski] NHL says its U.S. female fanbase grew faster than any other league (+4.9 million, an increase of 30%, per Scarborough Research) from 2009-2021. Four out of 10 U.S. NHL fans are female. NHL’s female cable TV viewership (ESPN/TNT) in the U.S. rose 61% last regular season. Soccer only applies if we're talking global participation. Pay attention, it's not hard. This thread is about HOCKEY. What was it you said dummy? thanks for playing:
I absolutely agree. The Panthers are a very good team. Boring as hell, but it’s impressive how well they have played this whole season. I think if Nichushkin didn’t get suspended the Avs would have made it to the finals. But the Panthers would have beat them in 6 or 7.
