Super clean bike, interesting video but no point for me. I love the standard rumble of Triumph and these bikes are cruisers, not for me but thanks for the vid
Took off my cat a year ago.....improved the bike no end 2020 T100. Sound wise no a mega difference.....but a pleasing amount....so worth it for that alone....not looking for a real noisy bike but something that makes my T100 sound as a T100 should. But there are other benefits.the bike is more poky....its smoother especially at low rpm....and there is a noticeable improvement in MPG.....oh yes and the ridiculous engine braking that a cat equipped Bonnie has....is much much much removed......closing the throttle before and it was like you had put the brakes on....engine braking is now much more realistic.....when you look inside the cat its no surprise.....WOW it looks SO RESTRICTIVE. So IMHO....well worth doing. Never did find out if changing both the items would req a re-map or testing how its burning just in case it goes on a weak petrol air mix. I am now interesting in a set of these Toga silencers as shown here....but need to hear one before parting with what is a lot of dosh.
What's the point remove cat I don't think it makes much difference in power , your not racing on the the track so you'll notice bugger all difference only difference you'll notice is 30 to 40 year's later when your hearing is going and you have a constant whistling sounds in ya lug holes
Makes a huge difference....smother at low rpm....few more MPG.....engine feels free.....and the horrendous engine braking with the cat is gone......just a normal amount of engine breaking now. Engine noise not hugely different....but .is more pleasing. Weight saving cat and pipe change.....getting on for 10kg less.
ALWAYS!!!, mark the base of the O2 sensors and count the turns it takes to get them out. When you reinstall, twist the wire in the appropriate direction so that the wire(s) will untwist when reinstalled. Do Not Fail to do this. Riding around with that wire twisted will eventually break wires inside the cable of this low voltage, critical sensor by vibration, if not the actual twisting itself. Be delicate with these cables.
In the early 1980's I owned a T160V with one of Norman Hyde's 850 big bore kits installed, the extra capacity turned that Trident into a beast that would snap the rear wheel spokes. I eventually cured the spoke problem by having the wheel laced with spokes intended for a sports car. I traded the Trident in against a brand new Triumph TSX in 1983, that was a big mistake, the TSX was very unreliable. I still miss the Trident, it was the best handling motorcycle that I've ever owned and it had a linear power delivery.
The man is a underated star of British four stroke tuners, I had an Norman hide converted trident 150 and as for the time of day it was a flyer, pretty reliable too.!!
It's real same Edward Turner did not listen to his engineers like Norman and Doug and invested in new machines they would have still been going today Triumph 🇬🇧
Valve guides on meriden built bikes from the seventies need to be replaced with aftermarket valve guides bronze copper guides are good, they dissipate heat better than what they put in the bikes from the fsctory.
Motorcycle emissions are very very low and the cat does virtually nothing in terms of cleaning them. How do I know? because I've seen them tested. Have you?
Come on look at India and the US and China. All massive polluters. Why should the UK think it will be so clean ,Air pollution does move around the globe, the UK doesn't live under a glass done . And let's face it a motorcycle is a very low level polluter. Now piss off
He’s right about sorting out the big kwakas I’ve got an 81 z1100 and it’s good at cruising and at speed up to 160 k , don’t know what there like after that cause I’m not game enough to find out.
Bit late to the party. I have Koni, adjustable rebound shocks on my Le Mans, MkII. They were a very popular upgrade on the original Le Mans. Mike Hailwood said that the Le Mans was the best handling bike he had ever ridden straight from the crate. That came from Mike the Bike himself, quite a renowned racer of his day. (!) Yet even Moto Guzzi have to cut corners in what it could build, due to production costs. One way to keep costs down, is to use components which are acceptable for most. That is where companies such as Ikon came in. A quality product that really did transform the handling of even the legendary Le Mans. The design is still as good now as it always was. I agree it has been left behind in what is currently available, and as a consequence is still an affordable performance upgrade that works. Can I really tune my suspension to the nth degree, am I such a capable rider, that I would even know? I do know the design is an elegant cost effective option you shouldn't ignore. I would think a forty year plus lifespan is normal, or at least it should be. Forty years on, I can still get parts for both! It was pretty much a state of the art system back then, and still carrying out sterling service. It's a thumbs up from me.
California....or closer to home Spain. Debating to remove or not as it will have to re-installed in 3yrs to pass the emissions test. Iwas just going to buy the end cans but I have heard that i't pretty useless upgrade if you don't remove the cat.. Nice video by the way!
Hi Arthur, another video about these was very positive but said the rubber stopper for the centre stand fell out because the hole is too small. Is this still a problem?
Ok, specifically, how would they work on a 1983 Yamaha XS650? Looking for shocks in 200-300$ range. I am putting a Suzuki GXSR front end and swing arm, need to improve rear suspension as well. I don't do any racing. How would you compare Ikon to YSS or Works shocks? Thanks
I would trust these to do a nice job on the Yamaha. I put them on my Triumph and they really keep the rear wheel planted. RestoCycle in Tucson can help you with the purchase and set up (no, I don't work for restocycle).
Could you still get to those Cat mounting bolts if you did it that way? There must be a reason for the left side rail removal. Maybe it's because the T-100 doesn't have a stock center stand and it would be easier for this procedure?
Hi Arthur! Thank's for your reply. I don't think it's the same. The one showing in your vídeo has the extentions going down on both sides of the front light and is more round at the top.
Arthur Macdonald. Thank you for the detailed video. After reading all the comments in this post it would seem to me it would be best to spend the money on a Power Commander and a set of freer flowing exhausts. In your own words you mentioned small gains on the 1200 and some X pipes actually causing a loss of power. Your thoughts?
If part of the objective is to improve the sound then really the cat has got to go. Our decat pipe will not cause any power loss. There are those on the market that will. If the sound standard sound is ok for you then spend your money on a power commander and a custom map.
Hi Arthur, looks the goods, pretty straight forward, the ecu part / question, will it (Ecuador) need to be re programmed as already asked but not answered? The instructions on the video was good too,
Hi, because the video was more generic we didn't put up a specific set of figures. We don't have a final set of figures for the T120 yet. From what we know now the gains are not big. We know that some of the decats on the market lose power. We really need to do more dyno testing with more bikes. There are also variations on country specs. Our advice at the moment is to have your bike set up after fitting. And not too expect large power gains regardless of the brand of silencer/decat used. There are some pretty big fibs out there!
I'm guessing you're referring to the one by TriumphCustomParts? :) That has to be the most ridiculous x-pipe I've ever seen! We refer to it as an 'F'-pipe, but it's more of an 'H'-pipe :) We did the independent testing for the original Australian manufacturer of these things, and on the HP engine we got very impressive results that exceeded even our expectations. It's worth noting that you need to remove the snorkel from the airbox too, as this is very restrictive and strangles some of the decat gains, as we found when testing on our dyno.
Great Vid. In the early 60's I was offered a Student Apprentice job at the old Triumph Meriden works. I would have been a "class mate" of Norman, however I elected to go to Uni to study for an engineering degree. I have a T160 Triumph Trident in the Philippines where I have lived for 14 years in retirement. Well done Norman.
You have no taste, get with the program, and go elsewhere, you're views are not wanted this side of the atlantic, you have no worldview in Us, "Confederate motorcycles" built for wankers by wankers, imho.
Hello. The reason the Harrier reminds you of a 1980's Suzuki is that it was launched in 1987 using contemporary frame and suspension for the Bonneville/Trident engines of the 1970's and '80's. The Jubilee is a replica designed for modern Bonneville engines. And it's fast, in a usable way. Check out the reviews on MCN and Cycle World. PS We like to think it's polite to drive on the left.
I was thinking a the NVT Easy Rider earlier on today. I'm impressed to find there is still one out there. Who made the engine ? This was the point that NVT were using Yamaha 125 or 175 in an off roader.
Good grief, was my ER4TL (a far sportier-looking veriosn, mind) really that gutless? The engine sound on this video brought me out in a nostalgic sweat. Well done all.
