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I have the Midea U shaped funky cold Midea 8k ac crazy how efficient it is barely moves the electric bill and works great. I want one of these! This company impresses me with thier quality and innovation, and a bit of alien tech mixed in 😀
I don’t know about this company. I called several times to their product knowledge line, and no one knew anything about this product. No one‘s giving any information about the release date or if it’s even something you can buy at this time. I wonder the price point. I think I’m just gonna go with the brand. Soleus air, usually accompanies customer service represents the product and this was pretty bad.
I hate to point this out, but with the size of the mechanical room, just put some 1m3 tanks in series and you get the best of all worlds. Thermal stratification, heat exchange, durability. There's a company in California promoting this for load shifting space heating and DHW on variable tariffs and central air hvac. This is just not going to be cheap enough to make any differenc in the big picture.
Interesting unit. Seriously considering it. Your camera movement needs improvement. Constant movement, often to places not showing anythings. Stationary on one side fo the window and the on the other while talking. I'm dizzy.
I like the product, but I think we should make it easier to install split unit heat pumps across the US. In NYC permitting is hard with spit units. But it has picked up steam in Queens in the last few years. Getting common now like the ROW
I have done here with Germany cost a lot of calculations. Phase change materials are interesting but not real cost effective compared to water. Especially the shown PCM in hand warmers. It will not work in such a system, because if it is triggered it will run until all material is solid. But you can use e.g. paraffine with a phase change temperature about 60°C. But there are issues with the heat exchanger. When it get solid you have a big thermal insulater at the heat exchanger. And for cost reason it will only work for a short term storage e.g. some days. For long therm (one year) you need a huge amount of PCM. I my opinion for a long term heat storage simple water is the best PCM. It is cheap and it has in interesting feature to same the heat exchanger from isolating with the the solid material. Water has its highest density at about 4°C. So every see is freezing from top to buttom. So you can build the heat exchanger at the buttom and the water colder than 4°C will rise to the top. But you need about 115m³ water for thermal equivalent of 1000 liter heating oil. And of course you need additional a heating pump plus some electrical energy to transfer the 4°C water to 40°C water for heating. If you dont like the heat pumpe, you will need e.g. parafine - but you need the double amount of it. So its a big cost issue.
$3,000 per unit is chump change compared to pulling new wire and upgrading existing electrical service to handle central HVAC when the previous heating was a boiler. I'd love to have one of these for my home because it'd be way cheaper than replacing my current older heat pump and air handler.
For now Midea's achilles heal, they need vertical windows to work, 80% of houses in Ca. have slide windows. I am lucky I wanted vertical lift windows installed in my house, so I have a 12k unit to assist with my central air.
These are being made for a captive audience, complex owners that HAVE to retrofit their units to the new standard, these will be certified. So yes the price is important but meeting standards are just as important.
Calculate the savings on your heating and cooling electricity bill when using this heat pump versus the standard technology of a standard AC. Also, there might be rebates.
If it's actually a maintainable appliance and not disposable, that puts the justifiable price up quite a bit. For a first generation product in limited run production, I think $3k is high but not absurd.
Might be worth it if it could heat/cool the whole apartment, but doesn't 9K BTU seem a bit under powered? Not sure one unit would cut the proverbial mustard.
Very informative interview. I live in a very small brick home that is only 646 square feet and I'm looking for something like this in the future when the prices come down. One of their competitor's Gradient is selling their unit for about $5000 (US dollars) when they originally estimated it would be about $1999 and that's too much for me when I can just buy a $300 window air conditioner to keep my small home comfortable.
Looks like a lot higher cost to the home owner both for the initial investment and maintenance. And only 140 degree water for heating and not as efficient as natural gas. This decision is not being driven by economics.
I saw a lot of cool innovations, like the handles, it's fold able for install etc... But both the ad I saw that lead me here, and the video both, make it sound like this is the first time anyone has made a window heat pump.That's not true, I have used window heatpumps from several different manufacturers. Ranging from 8k btu up to 28k btu. When we bought our current trailer, we decided to turn down the central unit, so we could keep using the window heat pump units. But, I will definitely check this out, I do need to add one.
one of those outdoor units hooked up to the indoor unit AND an air handler would be very neat as a drop in replacement for a furnace and a tankless water heater
Oh! Its an NH3 absorption unit with the natural gas burner acting as the Generator! Is this ANESI product or EEE going to be present at the CMPX in Toronto in 2 weeks?
You didn't ask the really important questions of when it's going to be available and what's the target price range. Touting the technology isn't useful if nobody can buy it. My landlord really wants to put in heat pumps because my idiot neighbors like to run their thermostats at 78º and he's paying for the natural gas for the building's boiler. He's thinking of putting in mini-splits, but they're not cheap and neither is the installation. I told him he should wait for these, but he's getting impatient. He wants to do it this year, 2025 at the absolute furthest out.
landlords learned this many years ago: set real temp to 69-72 degrees F. Put in fake thermostat enclosed within locked clear plastic thermostat cover product. Tenant will sneak a paperclip in there and feel oh so clever.
@@daniellewis1789 Hope so, but there's no official word and that may not be the case. Gradient was the other company chosen for the contract and they've set the retail price of their unit at $5000.
Major thanks to Michael Ridler for sharing the latest information about Midea PWHP! 🙌 Midea is committed to ongoing improvements in energy efficiency and playing a vital role in the 'Clean Heating for Everyone' initiative.
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This is awesome! I have a large house and I would have to put a mini split in so many rooms it really didn't save me any money and it wouldn't save electricity but I think this might work! But I don't like to buy things when they first come out I want to wait until they get the glitches worked out of them😅 Also my concern is will it keep your house warm when it's 11° outside? That's my concern for heat pumps?😢 Thanks for posting this I'm still on the fence and my Lennox is on its last leg but I think I'm going to wait and see how this works... I'm really excited that especially with the size and if it really saves US money 😁🙏🇺🇲
I have 2 midea u shape air units, so far I have been impressed. There not a year old yet so we will see how long they last and if there is a problem how easy it is to service them. That unit would be great in Florida because you could run it on a Generator in a emergency. I wonder what Midea is doing about having qualified techs to service them around the country. So many people I know installed mini splits but can't find anyone to service or repair them.
I have just installed one these, very heavy 178 kg for 210 lt equivalent. So a house job would be hard. Be good if did a clip on how to install. Shame it won't take solar hot water like a cylinder. I am sure its doable.
At ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pjOCL9LBRVg.htmlsi=AnN6o4AFPyT8ybZm&t=1332, why is the low COP (2.6) circled at the 5gpm/130ELT while the "comparison" circle of 3.6 is at 10gpm/100 ELT. It would seem to me that the 30 degree ELT difference is a bigger driver of the COP increase than the increased flow. Thanks for the video, really appreciate it - I have an Arctic heat pump (035ZA/BE) w/a nominal flow volume of 6.5gpm and have been curious about the setting on my circulator pump.
If I understand the technology correctly, it utilizes PCM that undergoes a phase change at 58°C, making an ASHP unnecessary. I own a heat pump and use it to heat water to 42°C without mixing it with cold water. To address the issue of Legionella, I heat my water cylinder to 65°C once a week. So in terms of energy efficiency I don't see a use case for this device.
Thank you for the insightful comment, and you've made a crucial point about the importance of managing water storage conditions to prevent bacterial growth. Indeed, Legionella bacteria typically pose a risk in water temperatures between 20°C and 45°C. Your practice of heating your water cylinder to 65°C weekly is an effective strategy to mitigate this risk. However, the unique advantage of PCM batteries like this one is that, in addition to its ability to store and release both sensible and latent energy, it doesn't involve storing any water volume. This key feature means that concerns about bacteria, such as Legionella, are not relevant in the same way they are for systems that store water, such as traditional water cylinders. This aspect of PCM technology is similar to tankless water heaters, which also do not hold water and thus reduce the risk of bacterial growth. This makes PCM an innovative and safer option in many applications.
So can I use this for both Potable water and Radiant floor heating with Glycol? Meaning they won’t mix, having two different in put and out put, hence, ports ABCD? I would like to know if I can use this in an RV Camper? Thank you in advance!
That's a fascinating application for this technology, and Michael our host a month ago had a conversation with his colleague about installing it in an RV. The idea of equipping an RV with this unit that includes a built-in 2.8kw element is intriguing. This setup, combined with a small solar PV array on the roof, could effectively charge the unit, providing a substantial amount of stored energy. With approximately 48,000 BTUs of energy storage capacity, this model could efficiently heat the RV or provide domestic hot water. There are smaller units as well that if you hit our host on linkedIn he can help you with. The double pass heat exchanger design of the unit allows it to be used for heating and domestic. The PCM materials are both environmentally friendly and safe for humans. This is an important consideration, especially in a mobile setting like an RV where the risk of damage and leaks might be higher. It's great to see such innovative ideas being explored, and this particular application could revolutionize the way energy is used and stored in mobile homes and RVs. Thank you for sharing this insightful concept - it's an excellent contribution to the ongoing discussion about sustainable and efficient energy solutions!
