I looked into the abyss for far too long, got scared and turned around and hid under jesus' skirt. To each their own but proselytizing your new faith is annoying.
Such a pity that the camera is cropped that way. Don't want to be rude about the other yawning gentleman, but maybe someone can sort that out and re-upload.
Some good food for thought, if u can stomach a healthy helping of word salad.. no disrespect intended, it is to be expected when parsing the amorphous intellectual swamp of contemporary social philosophy..
I think if you stuck with your argument in videos earlier that liberalism aims to free people of unchosen bonds, whether community or culture or custom or civic responsibility, etc, many of your points would've been more clear. Like if you used the fish example, liberalisms goal is to liberate the fish from the water by fundamentally changing its nature. The problem is then it lives in the air. There isn't a neutral point from which to make this decision, it is always from an environment of assumed things, such as liberalism itself with its falsely neutral doctrines, which to subscribe to, puts it ascendent to any other ways of seeing the world, ie, Christianity
Paul says, "No need to listen to me, go listen to Leonard." Leonard in some of his last words said, "Listen to the hummingbird whose wings you cannot see - don't listen to me; Listen to the butterfly whose days but number three - don't listen to me; Listen to the Mind of God which doesn't need to be - don't listen to me."
Thanks. Paul dares to say the obvious, but supposedly unsayable. Speak up, reasonably and with wit, then you can draw a crowd. I can't dislike a man who enjoys his best insults.
Paul is a sober and serious thinker in a time when everything seems designed to derange us. I admire his ability to be entertaining while addressing the most profound and complex topics. I have to be honest here, I am online more than is wise, but there is something to boosting those things that provide meaning and commenting with care. When all the world is drawn into the woods, it's perhaps a good idea to journey into the dark and lure those willing towards the light. To end on a positive note, the young are not as portrayed on MSM, they are very media savvy, aware of the manipulation and do not like it. As any reader of history knows, you cannot smother opposition, you are merely supressing it and it the pressure will eventually flip the lid. Good times are ahead, we must keep this in mind and not lose hope as this is exactly what they want.
Thank You Paul for doing what it takes to be able to speak still, even if it's about an ugly, ghastly scary non-world, your knife, that cuts it up into it's little shreds of vain pride, still shines in our night though.Truth has to be said with intelligent and compassionate anger from now on, if we are to keep on wanting to speak.This truth may not give us another chance anymore, i fear, but it will still set us free for the end, which, among all sad things, is still the best ever when hope is no longer to be had. Lead away to The Rivers North of The Future with lasting majesty, oh King, dear Paul.
I listen to Paul alot and love his work, but he is very mistaken to say Nomadic people don't have a link to place because they move around so much. It's an oft sighted misunderstanding. I recommend a read of anthropologist Hugh Brody's 'The Other Side of Eden'.
Extraordinary work! Thank you for this! We gotta get that sacred back, ya'll. Grow a garden, unplug from the machine and get to know our neighbors. Let's get local, yo. 🙂
There is a culture war. It’s the real Jews and real Christians against everyone else. We haven’t changed the climate. CO2 is not pollution and plants need it to live, taking it in and releasing oxygen. Communism has been white-anting our society for the last 70 years, dismantling our traditions, undermining our national borders and attacking the family.
Absolutely brilliant talk Paul. RIchness of meaning in every sentence. I had to pause it several times to digest what you'd just said. I wrote down two of the ideas to think about them more.
big fan of paul but it isn't true to say that the digital is reprogramming us; what's pernicious about it is how it exploits our *existing programming*, human psychology and its various weaknesses
this was man ..weaving a halo for himself out of long grown quotes ...sometimes quoting the quote back to us several times ...he'd love to be a Catholic ..but there's Vatican ll ..so ah let's become an Othodox Christian ...and maybe later he can weave it back into some kind of Celtic/ Catholic othodoxy .....it's interesting how easy belief becomes once one decides to join the "cult" whichever "cult" this may be ..this explains why there are so many intelligent church men/ women ..so i 'm left after listening to him with the impression ..that he would quite like to become a saint ...on the margins of this new blossoming of religion ....i'm not criticising this, i'm just noticing it ...
Or maybe, as he himself puts it, he's come home. As for wanting to be a saint, I should think he'd find that idea scarier than becoming a Christian! That was challenging enough. I hear humility in his words and I don't know what makes you say that 'belief comes easy'. How do you know?!
@@catherinelawrence424 ....he thinks he's home, belief comes easy because once you decide to believe ..all you do is believe and there's a whole community there to belong to and your in the circus .like a clown has to believe in his tricks a religious person has to believe also , or you can just "practice" without belief like a lot of Irish Catholics do, they just go through the motions and they have been kind of indoctrinated from birth in this belief ..so it's anon off switch ...but practicing is just a part of being part of a whole ..it's just how it is. ... it's easier to believe than not believe, this guy is talking waffle ..but it sounds good unless you really question what he is on about ..he's a practicing charlaton .but he doesn't. realize it or do it malevolently, he's just afraid of the big bad world and wants to hide behind fancy ideas notions and has a knack for waffle
@@edmundhamill2916 You can't be a 'practising charlatan' without knowing it! A charlatan sets out to dupe. I think Kingsnorth has made a commitment to belief (that may include doubt). Like Peter he says ' to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.' Just because *you* don't think Christianity is true it doesn't follow that nobody else * really* does.
In a world where many words are falling short. These are words that needed to be said. Bravo Paul. This conversation is well behind schedule. But if we wish to thread the needle. This is where it begins.
Prayer is indeed that subtle but powerful element that prevents the complete attachment to people and place so much so that one begins to disrespect and overpower other peoples and places. It is also the element that allows for fulfilment of human life through meaning rather than through the meaningless "S's". Prayer (i.e. any form of intimate connection to the benevolent unseen world) is the that psycho-spiritual reminder that we, like Christ, are on this world but not of it. Wholeheartedly, thank you so much to Paul Kingsnorth for putting into words and hence giving an existence to shady impressions and foggy emotions that are very hard to verbalize. Many blessings to all and happy holidays.
Why do people persist with the great lie that we are responsible for changing climates. The sun, oceans, electromagnetic field shifts, polar vortex, Milankovich cycles etc. are insignificant? We have certainly polluted the earth and may have affected rainfall distribution with deforestation but the idea we alone are responsible for changing the climate of the Earth is utterly ridiculous.
Sometimes it's funny how you seem to stumble over a thinker just when you needed him. Only a short while ago I wrote down some thoughts how I thought culture and nature weren't really seperate, but necessarily linked to each other. And now over Jonathan Pageau I find Martin Shaw and through him I find Paul Kingsnorth, who starts off a talk by stating just that same idea I had.
"Religions devised for a social purpose, like Roman emperor-worship or modern attempts to 'sell' Christianity as a means of 'saving civilisation'," (looking at you, Peterson, ARC, Orban & co.) "do not come to much. The little knots of Friends who turn their backs on the 'World' are those who really tranform it." -C.S. Lewis, _The Four Loves, Collins Fount Paperbacks, 1983, p. 65.
You’ve captured this brilliantly. I was initially hopeful of Peterson’s entry into Christian discussion, but like you said, he has waxed far too long about the psychological utility of Christianity and said very little about his relationship with Jesus. I fear this is leading the people down the wrong path. By contrast I commend Russell Brand for his vulnerable and humble testimony of faith as he has come to know Jesus.
I really enjoyed Paul’s talk and the subsequent discussion. But there might have been a bit of lost opportunity here. I saw that Eric Bende asked a question at 45:52. Eric has a fascinating story. He’s written many articles and a wonderful book titled BETTER OFF about his experiences in living a low-tech lifestyle with his family. He and Paul Kingsnorth could have certainly had an interesting conversation. FPR should consider having Eric as a speaker at a future conference. And I’d like to see Paul back as well. Thank you!
I visited relatives in West Ireland in 1978. I spent an afternoon with my grandfather's oldest brother, who was in his eighties. He asked me if I wanted to hear a poem, and of course I said yes. It was the Legend of Priest's Leap, or something like that. It was longish, and I was impressed with his ability to recall. I often think about going back, but I'm afraid so much has changed since I was there, I would be disappointed. I'm afraid that visiting now would spoil my wonderful memories.
