Har en förfader som dog där på villmansstrand. Anders Nilsson Stål Soldat i Kalix kompani, Västerbottens regemente från 1718. Bosatt i Bränna. "Förkomen i action wed Willmanstrand in aug. 1741"
During the reign of Christina, Queen of Sweden, a proclamation of 1646 called for the burning of houses of all those Finns who did not want to learn Swedish in the area that was later to be called Sweden Proper, west of the Gulf of Bothnia. Reading books written in Finnish led in some cases to imprisonment still in the 18th century. The Finnish language was completely forbidden and those who refused to learn Swedish, were considered outlaws.
What proclamation from Christina? What books? Forbidden language? Outlaw? Never heard so much crap! Sounds like russian imperial propeganda from the time of generalgoverner of Finland Bobrikov. The Swedish Finnish government is one of the mostly best documented judges, churches in the entire world. Both in Finland Vasa, Viborg and Åbo and all big towns in today's Sweden. The law both in today's Sweden and Finland have the mostly old laws exactly the same. It's was the Swedish government how give the Finn's tax-free seatlements in the forest to agriculture the lands. Also to make special burning wood to the mine industry. The firstly translation to Finnish was to the Bible on the orders of king Gustav Vasa. And the firstly Finnish church in Stockholm is also from this time. Gustav Vasa said that is important that we also use finish where the finish speaking are living in realm of Sweden. His son Gustav the second of Adolf was in Finland for a long time and make the same point of view several times. And he was the father of Queen Christina. The warlord king of Karl XII was documentary addresses the finish carolinen regiments in the Finnish language at several times. In the Swedish parliament in the 1700 hundreds it was engaged multiple speaking Finnish and Swedish personal how could translate debate in real time for parliamentarians from Finland. It was a large population of finish the traders in Stockholm since 1400 hundreds. And in the summertime it was almost an Invasion from the sea with ship's from Finland with Finnish speaking traders. The finish language was so commen sounds in the streets of Stockholm just beside Swedish. After 1809 the Russian empire forbidden all Finn's to sailing to Stockholm and Sweden to trade. They stopped also Swedish speaking people from Finland and Estonia. And also Estonians that also had traveled and traded in Sweden.
@@erikeriksson3615 I suggest you to get this translated, this tells the whole story of forest finns written by Juha Pentikäinen who has studied the history of the forest finns and lived with them since 1985: arkisto.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Metsasuomalaisten_pitka_tie.pdf Aivottaja is completely right. In 1646 in Frykdals court, this law was passed: "Every finn, who doesnt want to learn swedish, go to church, court and meetings and to be in all aspects obedient towards authority and amenable toward the pope, also be godfearing/pious and gentle towards swedes, just like all other inhabitants of the empire, his house is to be burned, register of occupants to be nullified and is an outlaw (to be killed) in front of every swede" In Finnish: "Jokainen suomalainen, joka ei tahdo oppia ruotsia, käydä kirkossa, käräjillä ja kokouksissa ja kaikin tavoin olla esivallalle kuuliainen ja tottelevainen pappisviranomaisille sekä hurskas ja lempeä ruotsalaisille, samaten kuin maan ja valtakunnan muut asukkaat, sen koti on poltettava, talonkirja tehtävä mitättömäksi ja on hän jokaisen ruotsalaisen edessä henkipatto" The passing of this law has its roots decades before. When finns from Savonia were first persuaded by Charles IX, who had heard of the effective slash&burn agriculture in the region, to come inhabit the backwoods of Värmland (which was the focus of the crown for many years in the late 1500s, they needed people to inhabit the land to increase the areas productivity and to get more taxpayers), they brought with them superior knowledge of farming that the swedes who inhabited the river-/lakesides had no idea of. For example they knew to not farm in lowlaying lands, since the frost would ruin the crops in these harsh lands, so instead they would lay their crops in the sides and tops of hills which the swedes thought were impossible to clear. This caused the finns to always harvest their crops and the local swedes would have to buy their crops from the finns if their harvests failed. The finns especially made alot of money during famines. A good sidehustle was also selling charcoal to the booming mining industries nearby and there are also tales of precious minerals being found in their lands. These stories of becoming rich in Sweden which had carried all the way to Finland by then had more and more finns immigrating over. This continuos immigration and finnish affluence in the region continued all the way up to the end of the reign of Gustav II Adolf (1611-1632), until in 1636, the local swedish population had grown jealous about these foreginers making more money and basically living off the grid so they appealed to the court (they also complained about their "weird" culture and language and pre-christian traditions, such as drawing paganistic signs on their houses, spells and shamanism, naked sauna (condemned by the popes), keeping your dead family member in the attic for a week or few before burying them and also cutting of their hand which they stroked their animals with in hopes of thicker cream etc). This proclamation of 1636 given then by the government caused persecution towards the finns, at first only towards vagabonds, and plans were being made off relocating the finns to cities. This proclamation was also the start of the end of slashing&burning which was the lifeline of these people. These laws were enforced even more in the following years and in 1640 orders were given to burn or confiscate the finns grains/crops and houses, also to arrest them if found practicing slashing&burning and living without the proper papers. In the mean time (now during the reign of Christina as was mentioned up above), these captured forest finns were being displaced and shipped to work in the New Sweden colony in Delaware (only a few chose to go) and most of these people would leave the colony center where the swedes lived, to go live in the forest just like they did back home. There they encountered the Lenni Lenape tribe and many of them assimilated with the tribe, making one of the two Findian tribes found in America (other being with the Ojibwe tribe in Michigan/Minnesota in the 1800s). Like Stephen Mortimer said above, the first "american" log cabins were built back then by finns. Back in Sweden the noose was tightening up around the forest finns neck even more after the racist law of 1646 was passed which allowed them to be killed just for speaking their language and practicing their culture. Slashing&burning was also now being jealously enforced by the mining industry after becoming privatized (government got involved) and the nearby lands and houses which were inhabited by finns were "donated" to the owners (Patrons) of the mountain mines by the Swedish government (this meant fiefdom aka collecting the taxes which would go to the government, not completely losing rights to your land and house, atleast in the beginning...), and in return they enforced the slashing&burning law, which was being ignored before. Even selling charcoal to the mines wasnt worth it anymore since prices were regulated. So now after having all their means of income taken away from them mixed with the harsh taxing caused the finns to go in debt to the Patrons/Fiefs and this had them becoming atleast cotters/peasants (torppari) for them. Eventually, even the rights to the lands and houses were taken by these Patrons and these hard times would have the finns living in hunger for decades. At the end of the 1700s, the miserable existence of the forest finns of Sweden was forgotten and they became lost in the history books. The forest finns of (Denmark-)Norway had maybe even a rougher time later on than their counterparts in Sweden, since their living quarters were close to the capital Christiania (now Oslo). The woods of the nearby timber rafting routes, which the finns inhabited, had become extremely profitable and their slashing&burning lands fell in to the hands of the capital city trading firms in the 1750s-1760s. Clearing the land for farming or even cutting down one tree was made illegal. Losing their means of income in their land had the finns becoming in debt to the Christianian merchants and thus they had to pawn their register of occupants to them; in some instances they were even stolen. Also, just like their counterparts in Sweden, most of the Norwegian forest finns by the 1800s had become cotters for trading firms such as the Aker and Rosenkrantz, and after that they were forgotten for a while, until Swedish-Finn Carl Axel Gottlund arrived in the borderwoods of Norway-Sweden in 1817 (and later on in 1821-1823) on an expedition to see if he could find the mythic forest finns. He did for his surprise find them and found them living in the most miserable conditions, not found elsewhere in Sweden at the time. During the meantime the mighty Aker imperium had become in debt and eventually in 1819 went bankrupt after a fire burned down their wood storage. The lands originally belonging to the finns were now up for grabs, but the price offered was way too high for the forest finns. After that Gottlund gained hero-status amongst the forest finns, eventually representing 600 forest finns in the 1823 Swedish diet of estates, and got all sides to approve their motion that " finns are allowed to have their own congregation, having finnish-speaking popes and building chappels so the finns can have a full religious teaching and pastoral care". This day 2.8.1823 is seen as the independence day of the forest finns and made Gottlund a hero in the social movement, even though it got him deported from Stockholm, railroaded by the swedish officials and cost him his career, even after returning home to Finland in 1834. After Gottlund, the forest finns were forgotten about again, until over a hundred years later, new expeditions by younger researchers found almost fully assimilated descendants of Forest Finns. Its disgusting what was done to these people, and here you are trying to dismiss historical facts since it hurts youre national identity and doesnt fit in with your "west is best" colonial narrative, FOH
Why not... take us Schleswig-Holsteiners back into your Danish Kingdom. But don’t expect Danmark to be Danish anymore. The Kingdom of Denmark would be a 30% German speaking country then..
As norwegian i vote for re establish our ancient union the Kingdoom of Denmark-Norway with Iceland and Slesvig Holstein as members. We had a happy kingdoom until ir all went to shit because as allies with France Norway was kicked into sweden our retarded nabour who belives we ever hhave liked them, we like danish, icslandic and germans thsts a union of fraternell peoples
Lächerlich ! Schleswig Holstein hat die höchsten Heizkosten wegen des beschissensten Klimas, der miserabelsten Politik und der steigenden Armut eines der letzten Plätze der BRD belegt.
My great great great grandfather Gregers Jensen fought in both Schleswig Holstein wars. He fought in the battle of Isted on July 24, 1850. His brother, Jens Jensen, was wounded in the battle of Kolding on April 23, 1849.
Schleswig-Holstein ist zwar ein deutsches Bundesland aber es gehörte sehr lange zu Dänemark dazu selbst Theodor Storm (damaliger Dichter aus Schleswig-Holstein) lebte damals noch in "Dänemark" und irgendwann gehörte Schleswig-Holstein zu Deutschland
Die gemeinsame Mitgliedschaft in der EU hätte eigentlich dieses Problem auf einer höheren Ebene längst lösen sollen. Dänen und Deutsche sind ja keine Feinde mehr wie anno dunnemals, sondern gute Nachbarn.
@@olavtryggvason1194 In Schleswig-Holstein leben die glücklichsten Menschen in Deutschland. Das geht aus Umfrage hervor, die 2019 in einen Glücksatlas veröffentlicht wurde. Kein Wunder, wenn nebenan die Dänen leben, die laut World Happiness Report der UN als die glücklichsten Menschen der Welt bezichnet werden.... ;-)
@@folkestender2025 Ich halte diese Statistiken für Quatsch bzw. den Ausdruck "glücklich". Glücklich ist kein Zustand, der sich mit Statistik in Zahlen fassen lässt, sondern ein Gefühl. Glücklich ist, wer sich glücklich fühlt. Und dieses Gefühl hat was mit der Aktivierung unseres inneren Belohnungssystems zu tun. Wer sich über Kleinigkeiten freuen kann, ist glücklich, auch wenn er/sie äusserlich arm ist. Wer diese Fähigkeit wegen Übersättigung durrch Wohlstand verloren hat, wird selten Glücksgefühle erleben, sogar wenn der/diejenige über ein grosses Vermögen verfügt und in einem reichen demokratischen Land wie Dänemark lebt. Das ist auch der Grund, warum wir immer nur kurz glücklich sein können, weil unsere Belohnungssysteme immer nur kurzzeitig funktionieren. Beispiel: Eine Frau, die einen Mann liebt, ist sehr glücklich, wenn der Mann ihr gerade einen Heiratsantrag gemacht hat. Ein Mann, der eine Frau liebt, ist glucklich, wenn sie seinen Heiratsantrag angenommen hat. Dieses Glücksgefühl hält bestenfalls bis nach den Flitterwochen. Oft nicht mal bis zur Hochzeitsplanung. Wenn die Mühen der Ebene in der Ehe anfangen, kann das Glücksgefühl schnell verschwinden, was die hohen Scheidungsquoten erklärt. Und so ist es mit vielen Dingen, nicht nur mit Partnerbeziehungen. Glücksgefühl gibt es nur für begrenzte Zeit, egal in welchen äusseren Umständen man lebt.
Dänen und Deutsche sind als germanische Völker stammverwandt. Da ist das Wort "stanmverwandt" aus der Hymne angebracht. Sieht man ja auch an der Sprache. Auch wenn gesprochenes Dänisch klingt wie Gegurgel - wenn man es liest, ist es der deutschen Sprache sehr ähnlich.
This song is "La tempete", it is an early 18th century song, reference is made to the campaign in Piedmont during the Austrian Succession War of 1740-1748.
Svensk Patriot Are you aware of that hundreds of thousands of finnish soldiers have contributed to Sweden and swedish victories in countless wars ever since the 12th century! Finns and swedes have fought together for Sweden against hostile russians, poles, danes etc.
Svensk Patriot That might be true, I don´t have the correct information about this but I think that over 100 wars during 750 years of collaboration outweigh two minor wars, don´t you?
Yes, but all Empires and nations used troops from other countries and parts of its own country that is an independent country today. France used many Swiss and Irish troops, Russia used Baltic troops, Austro-Hungaria used many troops from diffrent nations like Czech, croatians, romanians because they where the same country like Sweden and Finland was back then, Denmark used German troops so did Sweden too. UK used troops from around the world to make their empire live on. But it is only the Finns that I have seen on internet that just have to specifically mark there was is Finnish troops and not Swedish when it comes to things like this. This was Swedish troops cause we were same country back then. There were also some ethnic Swedes in the regiments and the officers was of swedish ethnicity. It's the Finnish people that don't like the Swedes and don't want to have a connection with us.
How can you make a referendum 56 years after the land was lost. I believe you can do that max 2 years after. During 56 years many Danish people have moved away ( to Denmark immigrated to the US) because they now are under German rule. And many of the people w ho voted in 1920 has never lived while it was Danish not really knowing what it means to be Danish. They know what they have but have no clue what they will get if they vote to be Danish. (Psychologically Í believe the ones in doubt would tend to vote for what they know about and not chose the unknown ). And last during 56 years the Danish people have of course been heavily influenced by German language and culture.
This was a consequence of the German defeat in WW1. President Wilson claimed that all peoples had the right to vote about their own government. This is what happened in Schleswig. Germany was beaten and backbound by the Peace Treaty of Versailles.
A French line supported by German skirmishers and Polish cavalry. It brought Europe to its knees despite being outnumbered, exhausted, and on the offensive for ten straight years. 22 major battles, 14 victories, 8 defeats. Between a battle lost and a battle won the distance is immense and there stand empires.
My great, great grandmother lived in Schleswig-Holstein DENMARK before it was annexed by the prussians and given to germany (which BTW took 2 attempts)... What a shame that a number of Denmark's Historical Viking sites now belong to the germans who have no viking history or ancestry...
After Schleswig had developed as a duchy between Eider and Königsau in the middle of the 13th century, the Danes and Germans agreed in 1386 to unite the Danish principality of Schleswig with the German county of Holstein under one sovereign. The problem with the different languages began when, after the agricultural crisis in the 14th century, the land in the south of Schleswig was largely abandoned and Holstein landowners and farmers were recruited to buy this abandoned land and colonize it again. These landowners brought their people from Holstein with them, so that the majority of the population in southern Schleswig became naturally increasingly more German than Danish. Before resentment and property claims revived today, one should know the history of why everything developed the way it is today. There has always been a wish that Schleswig and Holstein should never be divided, but the Danes never adhered to it. Please don't just blame the Germans, the Danes were just as involved in the whole shit and we should be grateful that a final peaceful solution was reached in 1920. Today it doesn't matter with the open borders anyway, we are no longer separated and Minorities have the right to live their Danish or German lifestyle in both countries.
@@folkestender2025 Dann wäre also alles eine späte Folge des Bevölkerungsrückganges in den Jahren nach 1350 infolge der grossen Pestepidemie und anderer Naturkatastrophen wie der grossen Mandränke ?
Nordenfieldske Grenader Compagnie er fortsatt i beste velgående, som er soldatene med gul/rød uniform og bjørneluer i filmen 2:35 , og holder til i Trondheim. De er en av de mest innflytelsesrike kompaniene i Norge, og har ansvaret for egne, Norske bataljoner til kommende reenactments i blant annet Leipzig og Waterloo. Krav som medlem er å lære seg marsjering og kommandoer, samt beherske muskett, da alle medlemmer må kunne håndtere et skarpladd våpen.
thousands of the people voted the other way because they were threatened with unemployment if they were Danish majority, so the vote does not reflect the people at that time
