I did notice on FTDNA that it said I am related to distantly to an individual buried in Schleswig, but in an area very close to Hedeby, Denmark at around the Viking age. Thanks again! This offers a lot of insight. It’s unfortunate France doesn’t allow DNA testing as we would possibly know more.
My current haplo at the moment is I-FTA24205 which is one step down from the previous I-FTA22684 so it has changed since I ordered this patreon video from Mark.
There was more than one pre-neolithic sample from Iberia with pre-I1 that i'm keeping my eye on from the Iberian paper from Reich Labs, they labeled his burial as I10899/Car1. In some registries something unique is going on that sometimes happens when a sample is being reevaluated. This burial is no longer listed as CAR1, and the sample could be much, much older than Mesolithic. They determined he was mesolithic only through a process of deduction in the paper, but testing methods have improved already in these exciting times. That could help to explain why pre-I1 was at such low levels, being so outpaced by even C in the peninsula and later by I2 and R1b in mesolithic of western Europe. You'll find no similar Fournol component in Italy because only those Gravettians who integrated with other groups in the Balkans and Iberia survived the LGM. I considered making a response video to chart this out but its so speculative and i'd rather see if you heard about this sample. It's all a bit up in the air still but im more leaning toward an Iberian origin for pre-I1 than a Balkan origin regardless, i mean until we find some pre-I1 there because there are just no samples as ancient anywhere else at this point regardless of this burial i mentioned. There are no samples from the mesolithic in the Balkans im aware of at least. I now know of the mesolithic samples from more northern ranges of eastern Europe thanks to your vids.
I crossed referenced the y-chromosome coverage between Car1 and BAL051 and there were no I1 phyloequivalent SNPs between the two of them that were mutually exclusive so I’d like to think they were part of the same patrilineal line entrance into the Iberian Peninsula way after the LGM. I agree that the proficiency of I2 vs I1 is a bit troublesome but I don’t think separate LGM refugia is the answer. Our closest “Pre-I” cousins come from Austria and the Czech Republic so there is no Gravettian evidence for Haplogroup I in Western Europe prior to the LGM.
You gotta dna test. I recommend Big Y-700 by Family Tree DNA if you want to learn the most about your direct patrilineal ancestors. There are other tests that will tell you your general haplogroup, but I always recommend trying to learn as much as possible.
@HaplogroupI-M253 No way that's so cool! Hey how do I find my subclade? I know I'm I1 but curious to know more. And am I grasping what you said correctly, that all I1 originated in Bronze age sweden?
I recommend Big Y-700 by Family Tree DNA if you want to learn the most about your direct patrilineal ancestors. Yes all of our I1 patrilineal lines trace back to Sweden by the Late Neolithic. During the end of the Late Neolithic and going into the Bronze Age some patrilineal lines had already started to expand out of Sweden.
There is evidence that the Norse were mercenaries in the Roman legions (pre empire schism). Roman coinage from the 4th century has been discovered in Norway.
One would really want to know what happened during that 1000 year time gap, and as You say if more people test we could eventually find out. The gothic/French hypothesis is the strongest, but I want to add the Scandinavian tribe of Heruli: they were contemporary with the Goths, but acted more as pirates along the coasts of the black Sea and Greece/Turkey. They mixed with the Huns, and helped the Goths to invade Rome. One part of them later formed a kingdom in Austria, Hungary and Slovenia. Another group returned to south west Scandinavia, perhaps to the area associated with the Geats
Hopefully, one day in the future these historical individuals such as Geoffrey V will be dna tested since we know where many of them are entombed. Himself at Le Mans Cathedral in France.
This is what professor Neil Price emphasises in his ongoing project of the pre-viking world. How mixed these groups were. One can find some of it on RU-vid. And simply looking at the rune-stones in what is now Sweden, there are about 30 of them mentioning going to the British Isles for raiding and extortion. One famous stone in Uppsala writes about how a man called Ulf joined three different leaders, the last one was king Cnud, to get 'gäld', or money from the locals.
I could've sworn that I heard you say in previous videos that your I1 patrilineal ancestors "entered England" with the Anglo-Saxons/Danes---do you know how they made their way to Belgium?
It truly is an amazing story of survival and discovery. I’m just happy I was able to contribute in bringing it to light for current and future generations.
Thank you! I thought of the Spanish Netherlands angle as well for his Belgian origin, but didn’t include it in the video because the region of Namur where he was born was no longer called the Spanish Netherlands after the year 1715 and he was born in 1788. So I’m sticking with the 1824 reference to Spain as being a reference to his fighting in Spain prior to arriving in Nova Scotia. Both theories are plausible in my mind though :)
I see you have already answered the question how your ancestors moved from England to Belgium. Otherwise i had an alternative hypothesis, because there were strong connections between Sweden and Belgium (Namur in particular) since the 14:th century until the 18:th century. Queen Bianca of king Magnus Eriksson (his grandfather was an I-M253) came from Namur.
It’s odd my Big Y results came in, well not so odd I guess. But I am a downstream from IZ63. A lot of people I am related to and have my surname along with afew others (believe it or not my great grandmother was a Whelan)… are all related and have the same IZ63 haplogroup origin. Infact the part of Ireland they came to was extensively colonized by Enhlandbin the Middle Ages. This is why there is a prevalence of English, Norman, and Welsh surnames, even Flemish sounding names that were anglicized over time. To make matters more odd on my dad’s side, his “British” ancestors (I say this because it was assumed they came from England), were mostly Anglo Irish before coming to America. They had similar roots to my “Irish” Anglo ancestors lol (most came over both in Middle Ages and 16th century) from south eastern England and Wales. I have afew Scottish ancestors thrown in the mix which stand out. It’s just crazy my “English” ancestors were really Anglo Irish lol. As a population they are not really a thing today as they later left Ireland for America or elsewhere in the British empire. It’s just crazy. I assume this haplogroup is associated with the Anglo Saxon invasion and not the Normans or Vikings. I could be wrong but it’s the most sensible sounding origin.
@@HaplogroupI-M253 I-Z63-->I-BY151-->I-L849-->I-Y15780-->I-BY391-->I-FGC67519--> I-Y17704 -->I-BY34489 -->I-Y99028 I think the dates on Familytree are not that accurate. They look different when I try to google these down streams.
@@HaplogroupI-M253 I posted it here the other day and it seemed like my comment disappeared. Sorry for late response. Thank you for this video though as there does not seem to be much information online about I-Z63 and its origins, at least that I can find. I did notice that there are alot of samples in England.
@@HaplogroupI-M253I see again RU-vid deleted it. My downstream is Y 99028. I’m not sure why it won’t let me post it. Looking back it says origins in Germany/England. Im guessing it came from Germany at some point and before Z63 it came from Sweden.
I cant stop watching this, it is so interesting. And isnt it mindboggling that those four (4).brothers have several relatives with the same sub-haplogroup that are alive today? I mean it was estated 'creation time' 756 A.D? Or did i misunderstand that? I guess one has to count within +- 50 years or so? But still what are the odds that they had another brother that stayed back home and survived to get kids? Or perhaps its more plausible that a few of them had their own sons that survived
Agree with great presentation! And.the more i read about it, the more i realize how these people moved back and forth all over western and eastern Europe over several milennia. It is not as straightforward as i believed only a few years, even months, ago
There was an agricultural expansion 'inwards' into central Sweden during and after the viking age. The climate improved until the 14:th century and the population grew. Im sure many people from southern scandinavia moved north, since Denmark was dominated by a few large landowners, as I understand it. ,At the same time there was a colonization into iron rich areas, which previously mostly were visited in a seasonal basis. There is an archaeological excavation ongoing of several hundred burials from 11th-14th century that hopefully can shed some light on this: In 2020 they found a complete graveyard in a field between Västerås and Sala, north of Lake Mälaren on the border between agricultural and metal rich areas (e.g.Sala has a silver mine), which is quite far inland, and they should complete the project this spring. Many of us hope they can extract DNA from these burials.. There is still very little information about it, but one interesting artifact is a kind of hair-ring of copper, which has been connected to similar artifacts in Ukraine. And as many readers surely know, there were close cultural contacts between Swedish and Norwegian kings with Kiev-Rus rulers for several hundreds of years
Not far from this graveyard, in the village/city of Sala, they have previously found a boat-grave with a woman, from as early as the 9:th century. The have concluded that she must have had parents from the British Isles, and they actually managed to secure her mt-DNA: J1c3b. This mtDNA has also been found in a pictish grave from the 4:th century somewhere in Scotland. And there are over 500 people who have tested for it on FTDNA! Almost all of them come from Ireland and the U.S.
I read this and you might find it interesting “Corded Ware are the Æsir/Asura. Odin came from what is now Baku, Azerbaijan where he formed a Koryos. Funnel Beaker are the Vanir/Vanaspati. There was a diffusion between the two, most prominent being a prisoner swap- the Vanir Njordr taken hostage by the Æsir but was respected by them. He bore a son with Æsir, the son’s name was Yngvi. Yngvi came to rule Alfheim, (Scandinavia), and from him came forth the lineage of Yngvin (Elven) Kings and Yngvin (Elven) People bearing Y Haplogroup I1, which makes up 45% of the modern Scandinavian genome.”
I’ve read various theories online that some Norse myths might be partially based on real interactions between real groups of peoples that lived at some point in the past and I’m open to that general notion as being possible. In regards to the actual specific groups of peoples and specific origins of said groups I personally haven’t seen any conclusive evidence myself but am open to learning more.
Very important video, thank you for this! For anyone of English descent with Y-haplogroup E-V13, your haplogroup arrived in England with either the Angles or Danes, not the Celts.
You also have to be vigilant in your analysis because we are under attack by revisionists. They are actively trying to rewrite our history to better suit this current multi racial mess we find ourself in today. Just google search black vikings as an example
The Germanic language is an Indo-European language. The R1b and R1a Kurgans brought it into Germany then later into Scandinavia. These Kurgan warriors are the original Viliking Berserkers. The current European R1a and R1b people are their descendants. The Kurgans conqued then settled northern europe and Scandinavia.
I recommend you read the recently released preprint “Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages.” A lot of interesting findings.
@VikingBloodI1 I invite to simply look at what the real facts are that exist right in front of us. The most powerful countries in the world have established mostly by Indo-European people. This includes countries like America, Canada, Great Britain, France, Germany, Spain,Portugal, Italy, Russia, Brazil, Argentina, Australia, Norway,Denmark....etc.
Of course the Indo Europeans had an influence on languages and genetics in Europe, but it’s factually incorrect to call let’s say a French person Indo European as they are a mix of different genetic influences and actually carry more neolithic farmer dna than steppe dna. In regards to your original comment even though the Germanic language has a Proto Indo European root it was also influenced by other peoples and its dispersal around Scandinavia and Europe appears to correlate with Haplogroup I1 migrations.
Always interesting examples. The great thing is that many of these mysteries may be solved, both by more people testing themselves and by new exciting research. Lately it has been almost overwhelmimg how much new research has been published. And much more to come for sure.
Hi Åke. Nice to hear from you again. Thank you for your continuing Patreon support. I would love to make a video for your patrilineal line one day, but I need you to complete thorough y-chromosome testing first such as Big Y-700 by Ftdna before I can create a worthwhile video for your patrilineal line. You mentioned in the past that 23andMe said you were positive for I-P109 and this common patrilineal ancestor most likely lived in Sweden during the Bronze Age. If you wish to learn more specifics regarding your direct patrilineal line I highly recommend testing Big Y-700.
I just did the y-haplogroup test that's the one below y-700 from that company. I'm hoping you already covered whatever my results come back as. If not, how would I go about persuading you to go over mine? Donate a few bucks?
@BaltimoresBerzerker: In order for me to create a video for your patrilineal line you need to do two things. First, you need to test Big Y-700 with Ftdna and second you need to donate $100 through a Patreon membership. I can’t create a video based off of only Y-111 results.
@HaplogroupI-M253 darn. I guess I'll have to save up for the more in depth test. Hopefully they give discounts for repeat customers lol. Thanks man, I look forward to the day I get a video!
@HaplogroupI-M253 I'm getting there. I got my wife her mtdna test, my mtdna and the midrange y test. Maybe father's day I can get the wife to upgrade my y test. Lol fingers crossed
Very interesting! If i get this correct there are huge timegaps and a bit mysterious that not more Swedes have tested for the more recent subclades. But i might have misunderstood. Anyway, another hypothesis, since there is a relative among the Wielbark burials, is that these people could have Gothic ancestry. The Goths went on a long tour around Europe 700 years before the Vikings. But they settled in Gaul in France and later Catalonia in Spain, so it is quite far from the Alsace-area.
But watching it again, I understand better now that the Viking-case is much much stronger, considering that burial in Langeland especially. Still, one wonders why it doesn't show up in modern distribution around Scandinavia
Hi Kaltmeister. I’ve seen that map of Viking raids along the Lower Rhine before. I didn’t include it in the video though because his patrilineal forefathers lived most likely along the Upper Rhine which the other map that I included shows. That being said though his patrilineal forefathers could have originally arrived in the Lower Rhine with one of those initial Viking incursions and then later traveled and settled farther along the river over time?
@@HaplogroupI-M253 Yes, that's possible. I posted the map because it shows that the Vikings attacked the lower and middle Rhein area (also my home town Duisburg was raided in 883). I have no information about raids on the Upper Rhein. But there is only about 200 km distance from, let's say, Frankfurt to Straßburg, so the theory looks valid to me.
Hello that SNP belongs to the Haplogroup I branch which has two child branches: Haplogroup I1 and Haplogroup I2. I’m not sure what kind of y-chromosome test you took but I recommend a more comprehensive test such as Big Y-700 by Family Tree DNA if you want to learn more about your patrilineal forefathers.
Thank you, Marc, for this video. It's really good to have ones Y-DNA heritage interpreted/surmised by analysis of up-to-date academic ancient research. I appreciate your time and summarization. Ahlgade 835 is so close in estimated age to Mount Pleasant 730 (Medieval Dane & Medieval England cultural groups). Have you found any paper refering to this Cambridgeshire discovery?
You’re welcome Les! I was not able to locate / view the study for the Mount Pleasant sample. That’s why I omitted it from this video, but I agree with you that’s it’s probably more evidence alluding to a Danish Viking Age origin.
I-Z58 is a very large and a very old branch of humanity. If you want precision I recommend y-chromosome testing Big Y-700 with Ftdna if you haven’t already done so.
I have I-Z138. 23andMe gave me this result. Unfortunately I do not know my European origin before America. My last name is Miller, and I don’t know if my lineage came from Britain or from Germany. The earliest ancestor in my lineage I can find was born in Tennessee in 1816, and he wrote that his parents were born in North Carolina and that’s as much as I know. There’s a big forum online for Miller families that originate in North Carolina and have a German origin but they have R1b. Maybe I should take the Big Y test and find some more info on my own lineage as I really wish I knew. The paper trail ends too soon for me sadly
Yes I highly recommend the Big Y-700 test from Ftdna if you wish to learn more about your direct patrilineal line. I’m currently working on an Anglo-Saxon I-Z138 video that you might find interesting. I should be releasing it sometime early next week.
@@HaplogroupI-M253 I will for sure be looking forward to it. At some point I’ll get the test done because I really want to know. I figure an Anglo-Saxon origin is what’s most likely for myself in that seems the most common being west Germanic and mostly in England, but I have seen Z138 all over the place. It seems quite common in Norman surnames, and it also does appear in Germany a decent bit. I’m very curious to know where my line leads to so I should get around to the test.
Upon preliminary analysis I’m leaning towards your patrilineal forefathers entering the British Isles during the Viking Age. That being said though based on the data thus far I don’t know with which group of individuals this occurred with. I could theoretically see a possible Danish, Norse, or even Norman connection.
You’re welcome! Autosomal dna is not very reliable more than 5 generations back in time so it’s not going to correlate to any 1 particular individual from 1,000 years ago (around 30 generations).
@@HaplogroupI-M253 Thanks that makes sense - I wondered if it might have helped determine my paternal migration into the UK but it sounds like it was via the Vikings. Very interesting to know!
@VikingBlood1 - Hi, do you have an email address I can contact you on with a query? I signed up on Patreon last week but I can’t see a message function, thanks!
