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Look for jobs where you're required to write code during the interview because otherwise you'll be working with people who don't know how to program. That is an objectively stupid thing to say. Some of the things this guys says are partially correct and most of them are absolutely wrong and what worries me is how confident he is in the correctness of his ridiculous ideas. The guys is a blogger who occasionally programs, he's at best a mediocre programmer.
Regarding the 'old' perception of programmer personality types versus new: The act of acquiring programming/comp-sci knowledge pre-stackOverflow was a financially competitive edge, attributed to college accredidation. If people's disagreements in personality types all stem from experiences -after- Stack Overflow was created, the harmony of sharing & enjoying everyone else wasn't necessarily present because many were still busy giving an arm and a leg to gain access to this knowledge: via schools or very specific, hidden people and the exchange simply wasn't as common. But now it is. This was a general shift in attitude about prizing and pricing knowledge versus sharing it so life is easier. The establishing of StackExchange, and StackOverflow, may serve to mean as a shift in culture and paradigm in general, with that accessibility leading most to having more opportunity to focus on soft-skills/personality and enjoying sharing solutions, rather than dedicating all time to searching for answers that aren't widely documented, and are expensive to acquire. It also helped establish best practices of correcting the dialogue of how to refine solutions in ways people wouldn't be able to observe unless they were interns or somehow got their foot in the door of a company, physically. i.e. prior to stackoverflow, dropping onto IRC to exchange NDA/project-agnostic problem sets and solutions was its own artform that not everyone knew existed; now you can literally spam a handheld device and get all of the information without needing anyone there present to answer it. Or code on discord, streaming, chatting in real-time, etc. Completely different nowadays but thankful for it all, including the best practices established bolstered by Stack Exchange.
Yeah, there is definitely a natural language barrier between logic and emotion. I hate when ppl call me unexpected in general much more recruiters. I literally get startled when the phone rings.
What? Unless they live in Italy? Could you guys explain this to me, because I am a programmer, right now I live in Italy, but luckily I have double citizenship and I am willing to emigrate!
We programmers understand each other perfectly but management is the problem. It's just that we don't operate on the same level. Great talk, this guy speaks for all of us. :)
Ok, your post is 8 month old and has been answered in other ways alreday. However, could it be "The internship"? The only movie close to google that comes into my mind.
+Neither DoI He said that programmers have choices unless they live in Italy. I'm Italian and I can tell you he's absolutely right. That's why I moved to London I guess...
I hate all your generalizations. - I do get in "the zone" - I love the phone especially when it allows me to discuss requirements - I have been involved in some recruitment (or at least candidate selection panels) and really enjoyed it - I'm fine with fuzzy requirements as long as you don't expect a solid code solution
It's weird how Joel describes programmers as these anti-social introverted creatures, since it's the opposite of how many programmers today are perceived . I get that it's a stereotype that dates back to the school-days where the quiet kids often enjoyed computers and programming, but many software developers today are incredibly social and active people. This is also why it's amazing to me that they cancelled the steak dinner, since getting the chance to know other developers at the company is important if you're going to be collaborating with them. However, I still do believe that most of his advice applies (e.g. quiet offices, great equipment).
Awesome speak where many problems developers have in a company. What I liked about it is that, for the most problems an solution was given. Nice speech Joel Spolsky.
That was great.... and for me some parts were pretty funny. I am a recruiter... but I did actually start as a software engineer. I use email SO much more than the phone. I really do understand the engineers and I work hard to find companies where they will like to work! I will be watching more of Joel's stuff!
Love it when I get put on the spot! TheJobPost guys are doing a fab job bringing recruiters together and we really love being part of the show. ...But can you PLEASE interview someone else next time Alan! cx
