You have to factor in your body weight if a guy doing the test is 150 lb and you are 200 lb it's going to be a massive difference in range especially if you're going up hills
Is the battery tray falling out a common thing you've seen? Do we really need to secure the battery with zip tie because I'll frequently change the battery out and not charge it on the bike and having a ziptie would sour that routine
Do you think this bike could handle the same Knob Hill terrain that you rode on in your offroad wabash video? I also bought the crosscore RC and would like to convert it to more of a hardtail/gravel. Thanks.
Thank you for posting this video. I went round and round with Yamaha when trying to order this bike as they do not have any local shops that sell it in my area of Florida. I finally found a dealer that would ship it to me and it should be here this Friday. You mentioned that I should put greese on the pedals before screwing them in is there a specific type of grease I should buy to do this? Plus is there anything else I should buy to have ready when I assemble the bike. Thank you again for the video liked and subscribed!
I would think of it as security. However, you might have to double check it remains closed while riding. I assume if it slides open a little bit like mine does without something holding it. A person could pop it open the rest of the way to get the battery out.
@@Hisway1151 it only secures the battery. So far I have left the keys at home as I don’t anticipate removing the battery while riding, although it could be a deterrent for theft…? When I picked up the bike the dealer was very determined to have me understand that if you lose your keys there is no way (?) to get a replacement and drilling out the lock would be required…🤡
I noticed a slight slippage feeling from the motor while riding my CrossCore in 9th gear. I was wonder if that was expected because of the akward chain angle or adjustment is needed. Did you experience anything like that while riding in 9th gear?
@@runnershigh7467 yes I have the same thing happening to me. I believe it is the limiting screw. I haven’t looked at it yet though. The limiting screws are what should keep it from going too far and ending up off the cassette. Mine if ridden and shifted aggressively to 9th will push the chain past the ninth cog. It’s done this to me twice. It’s not far off on the adjustment. I imagine a half turn or so is needed on the adjustment screw.
Great video. Can you suggest a quick remove/attach solution for the front wheel of RC? I want to carry my bike in the trunk of the car, where it will fit easily if I remove the front wheel. Very interested to see if this is possible with a quick release.
Great tip on the zip tye after forty years of using a pick to lift the tongue 8-) The Moro does require removing the two top screws and has another screw at the bottom...both use different wrenches; torx and Allen
I have had my Crosscore RC for about six weeks. I bought this bike on the current Yamaha sale bash for 1199.00 + tax. That includes the 3 year warranty extended to 5 and the extra free battery. These are my mileage test results. Echo- 68 miles, Standard 40miles and Auto 43 miles. I didn’t test Echo + or High. Conditions were wind 15 mph gusting to 23 , flat to slightly hilly,rider 5’-11” weight 223 lbs in cycling gear. If you look at the distance reports that Electric Bike Reports did, you have to consider the rider weight was 175 lbs. I don’t recall them mentioning wind. In my area the average daily wind speed is 12.2 mph. So my distance results are based on 48 lbs extra for the rider and probably higher head and cross wind speeds. Thanks your reports and insights.
@@trekmobile7521 great to see someone else’s real world range results. Thank you so much for posting them here. Those numbers seem very close to what I would expect. I am about 6ft 210lbs usually wind is low here, but as of late wind has been a significant factor in my rides. I tend to write off the elevation I ride. Mostly because to me it would seem that most commutes have similar variations of terrain. Though when I rode the bike on flat ground it made a difference in range in a positive way for sure.
I bought this to keep my heart rate lower between 120 and 140, but I tend to pedal more since the engagement is lost the moment pedaling stops. my 16mi + 16mi commute left me with 2 bars, wish the capacity was a bit higher so I could confidently use higher speeds. Does Yamaha publish the range? I was looking for it but couldn't find it on their site.
I suspect those are the correct numbers if you are riding in high or auto. Maybe even Standard if you ride hard. I found that if I gave it the beans it resulted in faster speed and way more battery usage. Would be interesting to see what PAS you were in, what your avg speed was, and what elevation you climbed on your commute. I found it harder to keep an elevated heart rate on the Wabash than I did on the Crosscore. Wabash just wants to go fast and burn through the range. I suspect if I slowed my efforts its range would increase.
thanks for all the details, user comments and how to do its on the CrossCore and Wabash!! ties? yea it works especially to remove....but reuse is not as reliable, cheap enough so if it's important, just use a new one
I agree, certainly works and certainly not as sufficient as new. I'll likely find a better solution over time if the extra batteries ever actually come in.
Yes, it is the same on these two bikes. I just created a video for the Crosscore RC. It should be up by now. Check it out: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-al93uA3RFnU.html&ab_channel=InfiniteMishaps It also includes my battery tray fix for the Wabash RT and the Crosscore RC.
I'd bet that it is like my Wabash when it came in. You have to unlock with the key and fiddle with that extra latch on the bottom of the tray on the outside. The battery is probably a little lose in the tray and keeping it from opening all the way. Put a towel or something down under the bike before you try and get it open. Just in case the battery falls out like mine did the first time I opened it. You could also try flipping the bike upside down and then try to open it up. That might help dislodge the battery if it is caught on something.
Bought it in store at Walmart: www.walmart.com/ip/Zefal-Premium-Phone-Bike-Mount-Fits-most-Handlebars-Fits-most-Phones-and-Models-IPhone-Samsung-Android-etc/487761599?fulfillmentIntent=In-store&filters=%5B%7B%22intent%22%3A%22fulfillmentIntent%22%2C%22values%22%3A%5B%22In-store%22%5D%7D%5D&classType=REGULAR&athbdg=L1200&from=/search Just realized you are talking about the mount I have on my Wabash. I don't recommend that mount, it does not fit well. I bought it at REI though. I recommend the one above.
Thank you for the updated test. Your evaluation is really complete and thorough. I'm waiting for mine to arrive and your input is greatly appreciated !
I just got this bike last night. I fully charged the battery yesterday. Now today the battery indicator comes in blue. But then shuts off. Can you help?
@@lesapollock6915 the bike shuts off or the battery indicator light? That blue light only comes on for a little bit. I believe blue means fully charged. The bike does require a longer press of the power button to turn on. Push the power button and hold it. Text will show on the screen but continue to hold it a little longer. The bike should turn on from there.
I also got a CrossCore RC. I looked up these tires on the CST website and it does appear that these tires have decent spec's such as having built in 3 MM puncture protection shield.
Yes! Subscribed for more content on CrossCore RC! And a question: what's the clearance like for installing slightly wider and more gravel-friendly tires?
The tires that come stock on it are wider than typical gravel tires. So as long as you can get them to fit the rim the gravel tires should have more room than stock. Max width probably 2.2 with gravel tread. With aggressive mtb tread probably 2.0.
Buying probably the Croscore for my wife. She's fit 5'3", and can pedal her roadbike 18-20mph for 20+ miles. I thought the Wabash would be fine maybe better for her, but there are no smalls left at the clearance price. Can still find Crosscores in small, so we'll be buying one soon.
@@InfiniteMishaps We borrowed a medium Wabash and we'll put 50-100 miles on it to see if she likes it. Local dealer has one small Wabash coming in, and we'll let them know which bike next week.
@@InfiniteMishaps She really liked the Wabash. I think were going to bit the bullet and buy both in small for her and a large Crosscore for me. We're going to start snow birding, and it'd be nice to leave a set of bikes in the south.
I splurged and got the Moro 07 SE, Pro, and the Crosscore RC. Man, the Crosscore RC is very comfortable. I hit the maximum of 28mph on a straight the other day. It’s a great bike!
Right On! I am tempted by the 07 but haven't pulled the trigger. I really like both the Crosscore and the Wabash for different types of riding though. The Wabash just rolls so fast.
I'm waiting for delivery of Wabash. I've already ordered crankbrothers Highline Drop Bar Remote gen 2 for the dropper, so I can use it without moving my hands.
Do you mind posting dimensions of the box it came in? I will be picking it up next weekend and need to make sure it fits in my Subaru. Also have read assembly manual and had steps for connecting all cables and hoses which was a bit confusing. Looks like you didnt have to do any of that and your handlebar came with display, bell, reflector and all cables and hoses pre-installed which is nice.
@@AvocadoAir the boxes are pretty big. Took every bit of the space in my in-laws Infiniti QX60 with both second and third row folded. 176x32x85.5 on the box L 70 W 12 H 34 in inches
Hi I have the step over bike as well, and wanted to know if you could make a video on how to fix the chain around the derailleur if it were to pop off?
@@InfiniteMishaps chain popped off the derailleur while riding one day, i got it back onto the derailleur, and now when I shift speed from 7 to any number below, it’s loose. I dont know too much about bikes but the part that the chain wraps around on the back tire. I dont know how to fix that.
@@ethanhu7048 no need to grease anything. Even the pedals don’t require it, but it’s helpful if you ever want to swap them down the road. Everything else should be greased from the factory. Torque wrenches are never a bad thing. That said I don’t have one. Just don’t hulk out on bolts. Bikes don’t need that much torque on the bolts to stay together. You will at times need to check for tightness but it’s few and far between.
Have you played around with the dampening settings on the forks yet ? I know they are limited but as a newbie I would appreciate some input. I too am 6ft 200lbs ish. Thank you !
@@Hisway1151 just messed with it. About 14 clicks worth of adjustment. I’ll probably ride at 7 clicks and see what shakes out. In the vids up to now I was 1-2 clicks.
Recalls can be simple and quick for a dealer to apply. That widespread recall that I mentioned in the other video was a 10 minute fix applied in the parking lot. I would imagine that the keyed latch just needs to be shimmed up a bit but I havent looked at it so just a guess. My other ebikes have the latch at the top so all that battery weight isn't acting on the latch much.
Forgot to mention that sometimes they just issue service bulletins to the dealers when they identify a common problem. Those are different than safety recalls and don't require customer notification. I would probably just live with it like you said cause I don't really want to deal with going to the dealer.
@@trekmobile7521 Hi, I'm not the author of this video. I was just commenting on something he said sorta continuing from a previous video. You might want to delete and post your comment again as a reply to the video instead of a reply to me.
@@mountaincat23 Sorry, this is not my video. Click on add comment instead of replying to me. I think I need to delete my comment cause your the 2nd person to reply thinking it's my video.
Do you actually feel any assist in eco mode? Seems it just feels like a regular bike and in full assist the range just 30 miles, so its not that efficient. I rode a crosscore and it didn't feel like it was giving much power in any of the assist levels
Personally, I can feel a difference in turning off the assist and having it in Eco+ for certain. If you get on the bike and expect it take off like a hub motor, it doesn't. The assist on this bike is directly tied to your own effort. In Eco+ for certain it requires more effort to get it to give noticeable power/assist. If I ride like 25% effort it feels a bit heavy and not so much assist 15-17mph. If I ride at 50% effort the bike feels much better, and the assist is more noticeable 17-19mph. If I ride at 75% effort the bike feels heavy but the assist is noticeably more and top speed goes to about 22mph. This is all in Eco+ of course. It behaves differently in the other modes.
I keep hearing about the batteries coming undone. It's never happened to my Wabash but mine does open completely by just turning the key. I decided to fix it just now by slightly bending up that stainless steel piece. I suspect Yamaha will issue a recall cause it's dangerous if both problems are present. I used to work on their motorcycles and waverunners and did a ton of recall work. EDIT: I don't mean they had a ton of recalls. I ton of units for one particular recall. Yamahas were outstanding.
I’m not sure what Yamaha will do about it. I assume they know. No way I have two bikes with the same problem and it’s unique only to me. I’m not going to pursue it though. I’ll find a secure strap and wrap it easy peasy.
more great detailed comments, best review of these Yamaha bikes on YT! thanks for taking the time and effort to post, amazing miles considering your fast pace and elevation gain...also how do feel the Cross Core 27.5 compares with the 29 wheels and tires on the Wabash and would the CC on the same single track/mtb trail you rode (darn fast!) on the Wabash perform as well? which bike would you consider to be more versatile
Thanks! I can take it on the trail. The CC would do it for sure. With the fork travel being so limited, I would probably just lock it out. It did occur to me that I haven’t tried firming it up yet. There is an adjustment for that. I’ll give it a go and see what happens. As for versatility I’d say the wabash is more versatile. Choosing between them would be tough, but I’d say comfort wise the CC before the wabash. Performance wise I’d jump on the wabash. It is a much more aggressive riding posture and feel, which is more ideal for getting a good workout in. In short if I’m looking for a chill ride Crosscore if I am looking for an aggressive ride Wabash.
Mine finally arrived from the out-of-state dealer that I ordered it from, unbuilt just like this. The seat post really puzzled me at first (never had a dropper post) but I did the same as you. Is it normal for the cable to stick out so far? Also, did you figure out what those two small piece of mountain equipment were for?
I did not find out what those pieces were for just yet. I agree the cable does stick out a bit. I assume it could be trimmed if you have the skills to reconnect it after trimming the length of it. How are you liking it so far?
@@InfiniteMishaps I actually came across the assembly guide that Yamaha provides to their dealers & technicians, I guess those two pieces are stays for a mud guard if you decide to put one on. Unfortunately, I just got the bike yesterday and haven’t had the chance to take it out yet. It’s pretty windy and cold today where I am and haven’t quite psyched myself up for colder riding yet, but I’m hoping to take it out for a spin tomorrow. When putting it together, it was crazy noticeable how good the quality is compared to some of my other electric and analog bikes
Since you have a large Wabash and Crosscore, would you please compare and contrast the frames with measurements? I suspect they're the same except paint, but some say the head tubes differ.
I can and will. I suspect the same. Update: just looking at their site there are some slight differences between the two called out in the measurements. I can still try and confirm in person.
Curious which size you went with? Lookin to order one for my partner. None of our local dealers have them in stock. The geo numbers make me think the frame sizes run small. Thanks for any insight, have fun on it!
@@MrPerattzi I went with a large. I am 6ft, it feels just right for me. I will most likely get a stem the same length as the Crosscore and put it on my Wabash. It’s much more comfortable for me.
@@0dark35 considering you could buy e commuter, e gravel, and e mountain bike all for about the same cost as a typical e mtb. I’d say it’s a good deal. If you need all three. Honestly I haven’t measured yet but looking at the frame of each. They look close to the same with different components. The Moro not so much but the others are very similar.
@@0dark35 If you are into mountain biking. That is what I would do. I already have a giant trance e pro+ and am still considering doing so. The warranty is appealing to me on a mountain bike.
Hello. I live in Türkiye. I became a Yamaha Crosscore owner on October 2nd. I bought it for 58000 in Turkish lira. How many dollars did you have? I traveled approximately 400 km. A very nice e-bike. Have a nice day, my friend.
@@skynels3744 sorry, what happened was my apple watch was covered in sweat. I couldn’t get it to wake up and tell me how far I’d went and my heart bpm. So I stopped and fixed it. I cut that out for overall brevity sake.
I believe it was between 40-50psi. If I didn't mention it here, I definitely did in at least one of my other videos. 40psi in the first few rides and 50psi in the last few of the test. Tbh it was probably closer to 3000ft of elevation as well. Glad you find it amusing. Thanks for watching!
