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Mostly motorcycle technical advice and gear reviews, with a few other odds and ends thrown in.
Review: Icon Stormhawk Motorcycle Boots
10:01
Месяц назад
First Impressions Of The Can Am Ryker
10:04
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How To Measure Motorcycle Chain Stretch
6:20
3 месяца назад
R1200RT Final Drive Boot Grease
3:06
4 месяца назад
Motorcycle Tour Of The American Southwest
13:56
4 месяца назад
BMW R1200RT Front Brake Service
12:10
5 месяцев назад
R1200RT Side Case Disassembly And Lube
10:50
7 месяцев назад
How To Remove R1200RT Body Panels
14:41
7 месяцев назад
Vacuum Leak Troubleshooting On Your Motorcycle
10:03
10 месяцев назад
Fitting An R1200RT Oil Cooler Fan
11:44
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@HARSHitKalra966
@HARSHitKalra966 4 дня назад
Bhaiya upper hi nhi aati jb tak kisi ko keechne ko nhi bulata
@ianpowell6443
@ianpowell6443 5 дней назад
well done, just bought an XT. Previously using 395LM with Basecamp. My question is....with Basecamp you can create a route from a track and specify the number of shaping points (bear with me). By making any of these 'alert' they can then be used as a type of waypoint to aim for if the journey is broken or if you decide to have a detour. When importing as you have shown it seems there's only a beginning and end to the track. Can additional 'via/soft way points' points be included in the track without importing numerous individual sections?
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts 4 дня назад
This discussion is made difficult sometimes by varying definitions of tracks and points and routes! I've not used basecamp other than trying it once and hating it. I use google maps and google my maps. I plan a trip day by day, each day being hundreds of miles and up to 9 waypoints, which is the maximum google allows. Then I export the google map as a KMZ file and import that file as a track into the Zumo through the garmin explore web app. The garmin explore web app could also be used directly if you wish. You could stop there with the track, but I then convert the track into a route in the Zumo. Ultimately, the waypoints I specified in google do show on the Zumo route. There is a symbol on the screen showing as you come near or pass that waypoint. If you deviate from the route for any reason, the Zumo will try to steer you back to the pre-planned line. You can also edit the route, but then the Zumo will use it's own logic to get you somewhere rather than what you imported. It all seems complicated, and it is to a degree, but in practice it works pretty well. I would suggest creating a short "trip" around town with a handful of waypoints and then going on a ride to see how the Zumo behaves under different circumstances.
@paullsmith5548
@paullsmith5548 8 дней назад
Amazing. Thanks so much
@Apocalypz
@Apocalypz 9 дней назад
Lovely documentation. Thank you!
@CycleGeezer-cq9lm
@CycleGeezer-cq9lm 10 дней назад
Just did a LED headlight upgrade to my 2023 Suzuki SV650. Tremendous increase in brightness and white light rather than yellowish. Definitely like it. Stashed the original bulb on the bike in case of a roadside failure. I'm pleased. Great video by the way. Like the way you presented the process and the modifications you showed. Well done!
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts 10 дней назад
Yes, I think the color temperature is part of the improvement, not just the increased brightness.
@michaeljameszaruba2243
@michaeljameszaruba2243 10 дней назад
I knew it was only a matter of time before you started tinkering with the Can am
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts 10 дней назад
It was inevitable!
@AB-hx9hs
@AB-hx9hs 10 дней назад
This is another sign of the Useless times in which we live. Someone decided this is a good idea to install these sensors which requires computers and tools to set up. Somehow that is more "Convenient" than the simple act of checking the air pressure on the tire manually. How much time and money is wasted dealing with this stupidity.!!
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts 10 дней назад
I do understand the sentiment, and I'm not a fan of most of the gizmos on bikes and cars these days. However, I do think the TPMS sensors are valuable for riders--not to check the pressure, but as a warning while riding. If you have a few seconds of warning that pressure is dropping after running over a nail, it could offer an advantage. That said, the implementation of the sensors could be improved for sure.
@ArcanePath360
@ArcanePath360 10 дней назад
Thanks for this hack. Was quoted ridiculous prices for this to replace. With labour they wanted over £500! I thought it was shitty to make it sealed so you have to buy the whole thing. This is so wasteful and I hate companies that do stuff like this to extort money from you. I just replaced a tyre the other day and wish I saw this video first.
@hansstofberg43
@hansstofberg43 13 дней назад
Yes, I can sent a route . But if I try to sent a certain point it said this app can not handle this . And it's probably better to throw the garmin out , and clip your phone or tablet on your dash. Garmin is just not up to google maps . And the shitty map in the garmin app is realy ridiculous .
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts 13 дней назад
I discussed this at 2:50. If you try to transfer too long of a route, you can overwhelm the Garmin unit. That's why you were getting that message. Some people do choose to use their phone, but there are drawbacks. Aside from the problem of weather and physical abuse to your phone, if you don't have cell coverage you will be lost. Where I have ridden across country, there have been many areas where there simply is no cell service.
@robstn4640
@robstn4640 14 дней назад
Great review. Put the forward/reverse in the middle, that’s neutral and you can manually push it.
@philc7135
@philc7135 14 дней назад
What grease are you using please before you put the seals back on?
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts 14 дней назад
Remember, the bearings come sealed and pre-greased, so what you are adding is really there just to prevent corrosion and keep water out. As such, almost any wheel bearing/chassis grease will do. However, my current favorite is the Bel-Ray waterproof grease, which is green and comes in a plastic tub. I use it for motorcycles and bicycles in many areas.
@leuvenlife
@leuvenlife 14 дней назад
Thanks
@abelcortezvargas5594
@abelcortezvargas5594 14 дней назад
Best video
@AdolphDaniel-z1y
@AdolphDaniel-z1y 16 дней назад
Elmer Station
@CycleGeezer-cq9lm
@CycleGeezer-cq9lm 17 дней назад
Super video! I have a 23 Suzuki SV650 which I absolutely love, but it has what feels like a 2x6 board for a seat. I'm trying to locate a second stock seat that I can do essentially what you have shown for comfort. Then I'll use the 2x6 board seat for track days. Thanks for the video....very informative!!
@iskenderbaslakov4325
@iskenderbaslakov4325 17 дней назад
Very helpfull! Thank you!
@t-lawsfitness6044
@t-lawsfitness6044 20 дней назад
Been riding the exact same one. Nice ride. You do have to lean a lot
@antigluk
@antigluk 21 день назад
No wonder happened - I put this tires road 6 on my bmw s1000xr - and they suck, they do have grip but they are feeling like 2 stones, very heavy and hard. Yes they last long but at a price of discomfort, much more vibrations, I feel every stone on a road. Power 5, mitzeler m7, Pirelli GT 2 all of them was way better than this! Only Bridgestone T31 is a garbage-worst tyre I had in 10 years of riding. I’m making about 20-30k km/year. So now i made less than 1000 on this road 6 and I want to take them off and change on something soft, even they not gonna last million miles. Can recommend this tyre only for grandpa style riding on very heavy motorcycles, because you don’t have much choice. But if you don’t mind to change tires more often, Pirelli Angel GT 2 would be better.
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts 21 день назад
Did you install the regular or GT version? The GT version would not be appropriate for your bike. And what air pressure are you running? Lots of us are riding the Road 6 more like teens than grandfathers and I can't say I've ever felt what you describe.
@eduardogorrochotegui5181
@eduardogorrochotegui5181 23 дня назад
Hi! Thanks for your video! I have 03 weeks without riding my 2013 scrambler! The battery is like 4 years old! Today I wanted to go for a ride and it cranks, you hear the fuel pump but does not start! My bike is in AC garage so no humidity should be affecting terminal! It has only 8K. Do you think the battery could also be the reason? Thanks for any comment you can give me! Have a good one!
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts 21 день назад
You need to be methodical. You say the engine does crank over? If you hear the fuel pump spin up and the engine appears to turn over at a normal speed, then your battery is not the issue. If the turn over seems slow, then you might want to test your battery and I have a video on that process. If your battery is good and the starter spins over normally then you issue must be either in the ignition or fuel system. You say your fuel pump spins up, but fuel may not be getting to the cylinders. You can spray starting fluid into the intake as a test to see if the engine sputters to life. If not, then the problem is ignition, which could mean coils, wires or plugs, among other things. You can test for spark using an inline spark checker or by pulling a plug and grounding the electrode while cranking.
@eduardogorrochotegui5181
@eduardogorrochotegui5181 21 день назад
@@tinderboxarts Hey!Thanks a lot for your time! The Battery charge is 12.6 volts and cranks the engine like normal. I will spray some ignition fluid to see what happens if not I will unplug the spark plug boot and will do the spark test (I just bought the tester in Autozone). It will be my next Saturday assignment! I will write back to let you know results! Thanks again for the time you took to respond me! Thanks 🙏
@ArcanePath360
@ArcanePath360 25 дней назад
These bearings are WAAAAY more expensive than I thought. C36.31.8.534.835 cost about £28 for 1, WITHOUT delivery. BMW charge £21. Plus £14 for the seals.... x2 it adds up to £70 without labour. 😮😮
@gckshea
@gckshea 26 дней назад
What about the front spline lubrication?
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts 24 дня назад
I've got a video just for you! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--ub07EkInVY.html
@PiterGuzzy7
@PiterGuzzy7 27 дней назад
I just bought some Aux lights for my 2008 r1200rtp and the lights have a ground wire, power wire and Acc wire....where would I connect the acc wire?
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts 26 дней назад
To install lights your choice is either to connect directly to the battery with a manual switch, to set up a relay instead of a manual switch, or to use a device like the Hex ezCAN which ties into the CANBUS network. If your lights came with a relay, you may be able to use the harness connection in this video. But I can't tell from your description what all you have.
@alandmorley
@alandmorley 27 дней назад
hello from Derbyshire UK very useful video thank you...., I have been doing some tests with a multi meter on my 2022 speed twin battery. and what I have found out by reading and watching you tube is that the battery on a water cooled 900cc triumph engine bike is bigger (physically and electrically) than on my 1200cc speed twin bike, how strange is that.
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts 26 дней назад
You bring up an interesting question. There can be many reasons why a battery is sized the way it is by the manufacturer, and engine size isn't even the most important factor. Remember, the battery has two purposes. One is to crank over the starter motor, the other is to act as a buffer for the charging system when the bike is running. The size of the battery will be dictated mostly by the first function. That starting circuit has many design variables, including the size of the starter motor, the gear ratio of the starter motor, the length and size of the cables to the starter, the internal friction of the engine at start-up, the number of cylinders, the required cranking speed for compression/ignition, and the stroke/compression ratio. All of these things impact how much "uumph" is needed to turn over the engine at the right speed for ignition. So it is entirely possible that a larger displacement engine could require less electrical "uumph" than a smaller displacement engine depending on some of these parameters.
@WebbedPete
@WebbedPete 28 дней назад
TPMS is generally NOT very accurate: * The TPMS standard specifies pressure as 2.5 * (an 8 bit unsigned number) in kPa. So if you read the pressure in kPa it will jump 2.5 kPa at a time. In PSI, that's almost +/- 0.4 PSI * The sensors aren't all that accurate either. I've not seen an actual spec, but various tests show variance of up to 3% of the reading. At 38 PSI, that's another +/- 1.14 -- so now we're at +/- 1.5 PSI * Then there's the impact of temperature. From freezing to hot, that's another few PSI. So, I would not use your TPMS as a gold standard :)
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts 28 дней назад
Yes, the TPMS sensors are not there for accuracy, they are there to alert you when there is a sudden drop in relative pressure, indicating an oncoming flat or blowout.
@kaidakelly
@kaidakelly 28 дней назад
got them in mine they work /then stop/ i have to take em apart and touch em/ they turn back on/ weird
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts 28 дней назад
The quality of LED lighting varies tremendously. You may just have poor quality bulbs which you should replace. Another potential issue is just dirty or loose contacts.
@stevesalt2921
@stevesalt2921 Месяц назад
Great vid. I've been having a devil of a time choosing oil for my 2006 Kawasaki ER-5. Your info on this is very helpful. Cheers! 👍
@nikossidiropoulos7659
@nikossidiropoulos7659 Месяц назад
I HAVE A R 1200 C 2004 MODEL IS THE SAME TPS ?/I CAN ADJUST THE SAME WAY?
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
I'm not familiar with that model, but if it is fuel injected then the throttle position sensor is likely to be substantially similar in function to the one in the video, and it could be tested the same way. All of the sensors on bikes, cars and trucks work essentially the same way.
@benpaynter8348
@benpaynter8348 Месяц назад
Hi mate thank you very much for the videos. I’m a newbie at using a multimeter and at the moment I’m having starting issues and spark firing issues on a Harley I have…. I’m trying to work out how to test my ignition coil (4 pin Delphi)….. but I am suspecting that this a wiring issue from my handle bar install……… what could I do to test the wires if I can’t easily get to the other end of the wire?
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
Well, if you want to test a particular wire for continuity to make sure it isn't broken under the insulation, you do need to get to both sides. There are a number of probe types which may help, though. A "piercing probe" is a device which connects to your meter and has a tiny spring-loaded needle on the business end to cleanly pierce wire insulation to get to the copper wire underneath. A shade-tree mechanic version of this is just to take a sewing needle to pierce the insulation and then use an alligator clip on the needle. There are "back probes" for your meter which have various designs to slide into harness connectors without taking the connectors apart. They let you test while the bikes is running, even. There are spark plug testers which you MAY be able to insert between the coil and the spark plug (if the physical circumstances allow) and see if there is a spark or not. All that aside, if you've done some recent work and disturbed other wiring than you intended, you may well be able to see a problem with a close visual inspection and some patience. If you find a pinched or bent wire you can test that section rather than the whole thing. Ultimately, though, you'll probably have to take things apart.
@bjrnhjjakobsen2174
@bjrnhjjakobsen2174 Месяц назад
Like everything it works very well when you get used to it😂 The setup when using the app and mobile data for internet access it is far from logic.
@jeffreyhurst9552
@jeffreyhurst9552 Месяц назад
My 2009 Bonneville won’t start. When I turn on the bike, nothing happens. No fuel pump. No click. No lights. Nothing. I pulled the battery out of my other running bike and still nothing. The fuses all look okay. The battery had been on a battery tender.
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
The 2009 model year was a transitional year. Do you have a carburetor or fuel injection? Fuel injected bikes are computer controlled, carbureted bikes are not. Either way, if you get nothing at all then the first check is the battery. You should check the voltage with a meter rather than swap batteries. If that checks out, the next question would be the cables and connectors. You can use a continuity tester or ohmmeter to check the ground, you can do a visual inspection to make sure there is no corrosion or loose connections (not just at the battery). You say the fuses all look good, although they can look okay and still be bad. A meter will tell you for sure. Finally, it could just be one of the switches which has gone bad, so the rest of the electrical system is okay but the key-switch or the kill switch is no longer working. These can also be tested with a meter.
@jeffreyhurst9552
@jeffreyhurst9552 Месяц назад
@@tinderboxarts I will go through the steps you listed.
@Mateine
@Mateine Месяц назад
Thanks very much. I'm just doing the process right now. The battery is getting very hot. Is this normal? May I charge it using the Battery Tender right after inserting the electrolytes? Thanks again.
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
It is normal for the battery to get warm after adding electrolyte. You can let that sit for an hour or two then begin charging slowly overnight.
@lipsee100
@lipsee100 Месяц назад
I have boots about the same height as those boots,,,regarding keeping the water splashing over the top of the boot ,,I wear walking gaiters,,I keep as part of my emergency rain pack,,,they work really well because they stay in place and do not ride up your leg...
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
Great tip!
@CorgiDaddy
@CorgiDaddy Месяц назад
Congratulations! I bought these during the summer and have enjoyed them. I'm very particular and find these give me great protection and ease putting on. They are also great to walk in when off the bike. Give the BOA system a little time to get used to.
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
Yeah, the BOA system is just new to me so I'm sure I'll become accustomed to it.
@POVmotoVIDS
@POVmotoVIDS Месяц назад
You can order CR2050HR batteries that are designed for TPMS, bigger capacity and can be soldered on.
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
Yes, as long as the voltage is correct you can use a larger capacity battery. However, that also means more weight.
@POVmotoVIDS
@POVmotoVIDS Месяц назад
@@tinderboxarts Is the weight a big factor in this case?
@almccallie4314
@almccallie4314 Месяц назад
Important: run a ratchet strap around the center stand up through the front wheel to make certain the bike won’t come off the stand.
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
Yes, if you care concerned about the bike being jostled around you can do that. If you don't need to manhandle the bike it may not be necessary.
@almccallie4314
@almccallie4314 Месяц назад
@@tinderboxarts It doesn’t take “manhandling”, to happen. Remember the rear of the bike is much lighter since the back wheel and driveshaft is removed. It’s such a simple thing to do to avoid an ugly situation. BMW factory mechanic Chris Harris includes this very instruction as part of this procedure. Look it up.
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
As I said, you can do this if you like, but I don't think it's necessary for final drive maintenance. Everybody has their own comfort level, of course.
@adzy_m
@adzy_m Месяц назад
Love the review mate, I’m looking at this brand of box for my bike .. your video sold me on it
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
Glad it was helpful!
@Automotivehijinx
@Automotivehijinx Месяц назад
Be careful scrubbing the brake caliper (maybe just wipe clean instead) you could tear the seal on the brake piston, which would then, need replacing, which is a much bigger, problem. (caliper rebuild)
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
It would take some pretty harsh scrubbing to do that. As long as you use a soft bristle brush or a rag and don't clean like a gorilla you should be okay.
@juanrodriguez-fm7nz
@juanrodriguez-fm7nz Месяц назад
Man this video was super helpful and gave me the courage to try this out on my 2009 America. Thank you for posting and for all the cool details!!
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
Terrific, I hope it goes well for you!
@shanewooll8654
@shanewooll8654 Месяц назад
Fantastic review. I just purchased this jacket 10 minutes ago based on your review and the comments above. Your follow up comments were particularly persuasive as well. Knowing that you put so many miles on the jacket inspires confidence in it's durability. Thanks!
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
I'll be wearing it on another trip in a month or so. I really can't complain about durability. The only downside I found was that the fit around the middle was a little generous for my size body.
@pippipster6767
@pippipster6767 Месяц назад
What about putting the GT on a lighter bike?
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
That wouldn't be advisable. The stiffer sidewalls would not offer much flexibility without the additional weight, and I think you'd find them to offer poor traction and handling when compared to the regular model in that circumstance.
@worthingrentals5944
@worthingrentals5944 Месяц назад
What density foam did u go with and whats your weight?
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
There are links in the description to the place I got my foam, as well as a chart relating density to weight. I don't weigh much, about 135-140 pounds. As a rule of thumb, I would lean toward the softer foam if you are undecided. That chart should help, though.
@worthingrentals5944
@worthingrentals5944 Месяц назад
Awesome thanks 😊​@@tinderboxarts
@corylane3056
@corylane3056 Месяц назад
How did u get the duck off
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
The duct work splits in half. Try removing one half if you are having trouble with the whole thing.
@sferg9582
@sferg9582 Месяц назад
THIS is one of the best reviews so far for the XT. Lots of unboxing crap out there, and they never show any details but your video answers a lot of questions.
@fredzuccarelli
@fredzuccarelli Месяц назад
Nice review John!
@jamespower7479
@jamespower7479 Месяц назад
Brilliant .. Ive upgraded my horn on my 2022 gs1250 and have been searching for a fuse box before I unplug wires etc. , this answers my question thanks
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
If you'll be adding auxiliary lights or other things which require a dedicated circuit, you might consider installing a HEX ezCAN device: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0wyMCMryQ6c.html
@fbales
@fbales Месяц назад
One of the best reviews I’ve seen. I hope you do more Ryker videos.
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
There will be some more!
@TheBestValueDeals
@TheBestValueDeals Месяц назад
Great Video... - Thanks a lot John. John I have a 2008 F800GS and the radiator fan do not come on / do not work. (We checked with the gs-911 wifi Unit (when activating the Fan directly...) and there is no voltage on the plastic connector plug that leads to the fan / situated just before the fan...) John could this be the "ZFE modual" that is faulty or is it definitely the Canbus itself that is faulty...? - Thanks for Your help John...!!! (The main / total / all of the Wiring harness seems perfect / like new...) - Thanks. John do the "ZFE modual" "operate / manage" the fan / the functioning of the fan..., or do the Canbus do it...? - (That is after "either" (Canbus or ZFE...) received the go ahead signal from the radiator Temperature switch...?) - Thanks.
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
Your problem is most likely not either of the things you mentioned. I'm not intimately familiar with your bike, but most water cooled bikes work the same way when controlling the electric fan--they are thermostatically controlled. Somewhere on your bike is a sensor which is informing the computer of water temperature. When the sensor data reaches a certain number, the computer instructs the fan to kick on, and when the temperature drops back down to a pre-programmed lower number the computer instructs the fan to turn off. To troubleshoot this simple system, the first step is to verify that the fan itself is functional. You can disconnect the fan from the harness and apply 12 volts directly to the fan connector once you determine which is hot and ground. You can use almost any wire you have hanging around, or jumper cables, etc. Just briefly touch wires and conform that the fan powers up. If that checks out, the next most likely culprit is the sensor. To my knowledge BMW does not publish the sensor specs, but they all work in a similar way. The sensor varies resistance over two pins as the temperature at it's tip changes. There will be a reference voltage supplied to the sensor on one pin (typically 5 volts) and that reference voltage will be modified to the other pin based on changing resistance. See this for more detail: autoditex.com/page/engine-coolant-temperature-sensor-ect-13-1.html So you want to check first to see if there is a reference voltage being supplied to the sensor. If not, then there could be a wiring harness, connector or ground problem. If there is, then you can check the sensor itself for changing resistance as the engine heats up using generic charts like the one in the link above. The sensor can be purchased from third parties for under $30. Now, if everything checks out--you have a reference voltage, the resistance values make sense, and the fan works, then you can turn your attention to wiring issues. The only reason CANBUS control would be involved is if there is something like a dead short and the system shut down a circuit. Presumably that would throw a code, however.
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
To answer your updated question, we use the CANBUS term loosely. The CANBUS network protocol is just a standard which allows communication over certain types of wires. It's used in many modern vehicles. The computer has the programmed values and the logic to make decisions about the data carried over the network. Your computer is not faulty. Amateurs often jump to that conclusion without doing the diagnosis. My first response should be followed for that diagnosis.
@bshatney
@bshatney Месяц назад
I picked up a 2022 Ryker Rally about a month ago. Thought I knew about all the quirks but when you adjusted that brake pedal angle you blew my mind 😂.
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
Honestly, the brake adjustment is a brilliant piece of engineering.
@ed.t.hansen6499
@ed.t.hansen6499 Месяц назад
Where yo grt this as I have a v47
@ed.t.hansen6499
@ed.t.hansen6499 Месяц назад
Isn't v47 a monolock?
@tinderboxarts
@tinderboxarts Месяц назад
No, it's monokey. The two terms are confusing, though. Here's the direct link: giviusa.com/products/v47nna-47ltr-monokey-case-w-cf-accent?