3 1/2 hrs is barley a ride..... not sure what ya USA riders call a day ride but here is Aus a day ride with a fuel drop all on single trail is a ride... and a boys weekend is 2 days of singles, not thats not riding loops, thats not passing the same section of track twice. Elec has along way to go to match a smoker any time soon. but i will convert when the tech gets there, i love the maintenance free idea of elec motor.
In all honesty it doesn’t surprise me that there’s that much discrepancy in the times.. with more practice on both bikes you’ll improve your times massively . You need to look more in advance for each corner as well as out of corners to set your body positioning up 👍🏼
Back in the 70s they had motocross races there. My Dad talked with the local land owner about having them. Now that part of the original track is fenced off.
Do you feel the Leatt Z-Frame knee braces offer the same quality protection to knee tendons and patella area like some of the higher end knee braces? Any pros and cons? Price seem to good. Thanks for great video. Kam
I understand your advice, but fourth gear on a second gear trail. You must be out in a wide open desert, not in the trees cause that ain’t gonna happen.
greatly appreciated. I think you should do b class and c class rider comparisoins too. Personally I am just not graduating from c class and competing in a and b class. I would be going about as fast as your vet rider in this video from the looks of it.
As a fast c rider this is how fast I feel when racing, then I watch the video back and realize just how slow I am...lol... Especially one race with the NHHA pros when they came flying through the back of the field and making lines out of nothing to get around the slower riders..
nice video. (the pro on a 450. a class A on a 300 and vet on a 250) Be cool to see want time difference with the vet on the 450 and pro on the 250. threre's a difference between feeling fast and being fast. wondering if the 450 is more efficient in the sand for the vet. or if it applies. Everyone pushed it, thats cool to see. safe crashes are good!
For those who want to go faster, try this. Shift your bike up to a gear that is difficult to pull. Use 4th gear on 2nd gear trails. Then concentrate on keeping the bike from stalling and riding in a way that keeps it in the power. You will find you have to ride much smoother, choose very different lines, and you will go much faster without any real difference in effort. Side benefit...your suspension will feel much more compliant.
The answer is they all have basically the same speed. The difference is the desire and willingness to go full out and for how long. I'm 58 and can easily run with 30+A, but I don't want to. The risk of crashing, breaking something on my body, and months of recovery just isn't worth it. So I ride in the B or C class and put on occasional bursts of speed where I think it is safe. Otherwise I cruise at just under whatever speed keeps me on 2 wheels and out of the trees on that particular day.
Technique is the main thing but race IQ and fitness are important, but racing will make you fasterthan someone who just rides around a field, i raced 7 years from 9 to 16, i went to a 5 day kawasaki uk training camp when i was 9 then a couple of years l8r to Heron Suzuki training camps sand track days and hard pack days, Technique was thebasethen fitness and of course actually racing 40 other riders in races, nothing isbetter than racing.
I don't really care so much about the times, what stands out to me is how good some people are at finding traction in the loose stuff and how much that translates into an easier overall ride. My hats off to you all, great vid!
The information I gleaned from the video relating to the difference in speed between differing skill levels of riders was not as obvious as to who was having the most fun, and that was the third rider because he was on a 2 stroke, and fun is what it's all about, right? :)
It depends. Some of the amateur riders are just as fast if not faster (especially on their "home" track) but usually they can't keep it up for as long due to conditioning. Off road/woods is another thing entirely.
yeah exactly. looks slow on camera. get out there and look at your own videos, that's when it will look super slow. I do not intend to insult. just a lot of video playback shame experience
As a 40+ rider myself (very nearly 50+), I believe the word "spirited" describes the pace I like to keep these days. Younger me preferred not to hit the ground, but older me really really does not want to hit the ground! It's amazing what age does to our risk/reward balance.
You guys are all ripping. I’m surprised how that 300 struggled so hard bottom to mid in the sand. Those 4 strokes just do really have advantage for us old guys.
Fun to watch video, thanks for posting it. The fast guy just carried way more speed everywhere but especially in the higher speed stuff when the sketch factor went up. Good stuff man.
Hard to compare since some intermediate riders are right with the very top pros and first day out of B they are competitive, no true scale to measure by
Good idea for a video and since it was filmed in cold riding conditions you all should have set your rebound-readjusted from probably warmer conditions Nick yes two-stroke versus four-stroke but better line Choice and then also stirring the gearbox a little bit more but most importantly he needs to adjust his suspension or get a new shock and he will do a lot better he was hesitant in specially the downhill sections thru the bumps and the ( harse V's, washout, ditches, transitions), which you could tell affected his line Choice and then of course Carter from his shadow he was standing up a lot more than you and Nick but of course the Shadows weren't there later in the day, when you took your laps. So Overall good video it can be a good training tool for other Riders to how important and beneficial proper suspension setup is in cold weather vs. hot weather conditions also hard-packed vs. sandy conditions the right suspension setup is key to become a smoother faster Rider., reduce arm pump and less fatigue,and riding style standing up more vs. sitting down especially in sand sections better. control, smoother, faster - Winner....
Back in the day, all out buddies would start at a trail point would send the C guy out wait 2 min then B guy take off and so on. I remember one time taking off and our fast guy was last to leave. He caught me and I was yelling you cheated leaving early until a minute later I was all by myself again haha
I'm a 100% Disabled Combat Infantry Veteran and I still ride (I'm a stubborn SOB). I'm 36 years old and never raced, but have rode Glamis, Ocotillo, and a lot of SoCal hills since the age of 5... Is it bad that Mitch is a little slow for me at points and Carter hits some corners like I would strive for on a pinITtoWINit lap??? LMFFFAAAOOO 🤷♂️ I weigh 180 and run an 8.8-10.3 compressive spring (rated for 200-230) on my 500 EXC. A new friend was shocked to hear iI run such a stiff spring. The look on his face was EPIC 😂🤘
I'd be interested in how many days each rider has on this course....is it one your's "home" track... was it the first day there for anyone? Familiarity can make a huge difference in addition to knowing what's coming up, terrain, suspension set-up, pacing & many other variables.
First time for Carter (pro) and myself rider 2. Nick, rider 3 has ridden it a couple times. We all had rode 90 min+ on the track before filming the lap times. Hope this helps 👌🏻
