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i stop at the "Matchbox aisle" everytime i stop in the stores, i collected them as a kid back in the 80's, but still haven't seen a red one to 'match' my ReneTH. Someone in my town has one of those elusive 'army green' Rene's, it's sweet! Get this trending, i'm still workin on the ReneGang meetup. Tomorrow the Rhino Rack platform, with KC Titan lightbar/rear dust lights/side pod lights get installed.. gettin ready for the longer darker nights , cheers!
Awesome video, what is the slot called that you're using to connect the rails? I want to do something similar, but can't find any bars that use that connection or how to even search for it besides the Putco Venture Tech rack.
Mmm. Sounds like a cross bar problem. Not a rail problem, if possible I would return the cross bars If possible, I would returne the cross bars you got and exchange them for the once *linked in the video description. If your committed you these cross bars you definitely could make a hole but you won't not be able to ajust the bars. The are fixed to that location.
They aren't gonna make a carve out for the 0.1% of AWD vehicles that are actually built out for offroading. It's unfortunate but it wouldn't be practical for rangers to have to make judgement calls like that
My brother had one, 2018,. He loved it but what caused him to return it is that it kept shutting down on him for seemingly no reason and had weird electrical problems. From what i've read that seemed to what a lot of people experienced and the people that love them seem to be a small community compared to the numbers that were sold. The reliability rating on these are so poor I'm wondering if only few were made that actually worked well.
I may have to get some red ones now. They have a 33 piece trim kit online. I've been going nuts with my red accents. Grill inserts, door handles, diamond stitch floor matts, black dashboard carpet with red outline, rubber cargo liner with the red X antenna nub, brake light housing, smoked tail lights, red sunstrip, angry eyes, and black US flag hood stripe with a red outline. Rims are black and red too. Go figure. This shit's FUN! We even have shifter hoodies and rubber cup holder inserts. Niiiiiiice!😎
I have a 2wd lifted Chevy van with Positraction. It can handle many situations but I know it's limitations. I even have a lifted full time 4wd 4Runner and I realize what it's limitations are. I don't do rock crawling or deep water excursions just because I do want to get home.
It's your wheel offset/wheel spacers creating additional leverage on the bearings, paired with inadequate struts not absorbing the impacts well enough. If you want/need a slightly wider track to help with camber, try switching to 02-07 STI front control arms (Flatirons is gonna be one of the cheapest sources). Ditch the wheel spacers. And get some subframe/control arm/driveline/rear multilink spacers. I'm running the same CV axle angles as you in the front with my 4"-5" lifted H6/4EAT and I don't have issues with axle boots ripping with long travel inverted coilovers - they just tend to start leaking out of the small end as the boots age.
@@AdventureGT I have a full set of underbody spacers from a SubieLiftOz Monster kit - 2" for all the front bits, 1" for the driveshaft carrier, 3" for everything in the rear. And eventually got some custom length stainless braided brake hoses from ProLines over in the UK equal to the spacers front and rear, but they weren't absolutely necessary as I was able to adjust things to work for a while without them.
The wheel spin required to start transferring torque to the other wheels is damaging to the trails. 4*4 they just spin. Awd they have to start tearing the trail up before the traction control starts braking the spinning wheel.
Yep this is long overdue. I could have opened a rescue shop based on the number of Subarus and Jeep Cherokees I’ve had to tow out. And I live in the Mt Hood area too where everyone drives a Subaru or a 4Runner. People think they can buy a 4WD vehicle and put on some KO2s then they can do whatever they want. I’m 100% supporting this policy.
This is going to get messy when big fines and jail and lawyers get involved because they lines are so blurry. A CVT-equipped Subaru is mechanically identical to a "Trail Rated" light duty Jeep (Patriot, Compass, KL Cherokee, etc) - interference drive to the front axle and wet clutch to the rear. An old 3/4 ton domestic pickup truck has maybe 7" of ground clearance under its rear differential if it's on stock tires. An electric 4x4 doesn't necessarily have any kind of transfer case or low range anything. In spirit I agree that the park agencies need to figure something out to allow recreational visitors while preventing the destruction of the same land that people want to visit. OHV parks don't work for people whose reason to leave pavement is to explore or seek solitude, it's like offering candy to somebody who needs a meal. I don't know the answer but I feel that this one isn't it. From the half-bakery perhaps a system that simply fines people for trail destruction or going off trail and an anonymous reward system for people who provide photo/video evidence that is used in successfully catching destructive users. For my own part in all this, I'm old and most of the places I used to explore are gated off now. It's no fun wasting a tank of fuel driving around to tour the locked gates of America so that chapter of my life is pretty much closed until further notice.
I really like that ideas as well. They must have used trail cams to find the guy in the letter any ways. They found him by license plate. So there could totally be something for catching destructive users. Sorry to hear about your old trails. And that immature off roaders ruined it for yah.
It's usually not the vehicle limitations, it's the limitations of the driver. That being said, AWD is not 4x4. An AWD vehicle often uses traction control and ABS to maintain traction. These systems often aid in getting vehicles stuck or causing trail damage with excessive wheel spin, etc. Also, taking the locations weather into account can rule a road or trail to require 4x4. Limitations of an AWD vehicle does not change when you have recovery gear. The gear aids in the recovery of the vehicle, but is not a buff that should allow exceptions to the rules. Disheartening, indeed. But, it's the park visitors rocking up in their hire cars and over confident drivers with their rugged trim packages that have done the damage (literally). All this being said, you didn't speak about conservation. What if an oil pan, transmission, differential, cooling system and/or supporting lines/coolers become damaged? Regardless of the vehicle, I guarantee most do not have proper spill containment kits onboard to stop environmental damage. Accidents happen, and mistakes are made. But, it's a complex issue that is not the difference between AWD and 4x4. National Parks are firstly preserving what is there. If it's not preserved, it's won't much matter what you drive.
Really well said. Maybe they could add vehilce inspection check points like they do with the boating community. Every vehilce out off the main roads of the park should cary spill/clean up kits.
i have both a sj forester with ATs and full skids, and a lifted gx with full armor, winch. while the forester is capable, i feel a lot more comfortable with lots of “reserve” capability. sudden rain storm, tree blocking trail, heavily rutted. no problem
This is a truly derpy rule. I have two vehicles that say 4x4 on the back. One is a Ram 3500. I trust that one to do almost anything I need it to do, except crawl rocks. The other is a Mitsubishi Outlander Sport with a CVT. I do not trust this thing for ANYTHING other than maintained dirt roads and light snow. But technically, my silly little 4x4 could go on one of these difficult trails, and the NPS wouldn't be able to say ANYTHING to me about it. Meanwhile, far more capable AWD vehicles have to sit on the sidelines and watch my ridiculous, underpowered, CVT Outlander do a trail it can't do.
Is that Outlander truly a four wheel drive? Has it just like 2 open differentials? Just curios what you think of it. Always been interested in mitsubishis drive train. Compared to your Ram is sounds like a novelty, but has a place in your fleet.
@@AdventureGT I honestly don't know. I had the mechanic change the fluid in both differentials a year ago. Maybe he got extra money out of me for nothing. I know Mitsubishi also makes it's own version of AWD (called AWC). But this does say 4x4 on the back, not AWC. The AWC option would have cost me a few grand more. I'm not really a car guy or an off-road guy. But I heard about this rule and immediately saw the problem with it.
Thanks for sharing man. As far as off road trails go, we'll have to see what the future holds. Like the whole subaru wilderness line can apparently handle what some saposed 4x4s can do.
This is nothing new. The Park Service is just starting to enforce existing rules. You will see signs for high clearance vehicles which are ok for AWD vehicles and there are sighs for the 4 wheel only drive roads. I drive a Subaru Forester and even though it is great on fire roads it is not a 4WD.
Well said. And perhaps this is for the best. like I had mentioned, there are signs posted at every trail head. And if it keeps people who bring in their stock Subaru, and going on these trails even better.
Honestly this rule is grossly overdue and hopefully it will also influence car makers to improve their off road offerings. That said I think the biggest offenders are the renter tourists who often come without even the slightest idea of how to off road.
Totally is the renters unfortunately. We saw a rented AWD Chevy Equinox on Shafer trail. With summer tires I think. Tried to wave them down to turn back but didn't care.
National Parks would typically be happiest if no one showed up at all. They're typically tightly regulated not just in driving but in everything about them.
Their mission is to preserve the particular ecosystem/point of interest so yes they’re not allowed to do anything that can damage the ecosystem. That’s why they make trails and you’re supposed to only stick to the trails they make. That’s what preservation means. Read the National Park Act.
@@AdventureGT I'm a National Parks Annual member. We saw Badlands last year and it was great. Wish I had time to edit video! I have like 40 worth filmed just sitting on a hard drive. haha.
Back in the day I use to go down trails in a modified 2wd 1985 chevalier hatchback and never got stuck; i qlso had a 750cc dirtbike for trails i knew that thing couldn't handle. However the people that did and do get stuck normally don't know how to do off road. They normally have the wrong tires, inexperienced or do not know the terrain they are going in and so unprepared. Knowing the limits of your vehicle is key on being successful.
It sucks so much that other people keep ruining off-roading. Almost every trail around me has been gated and stays mostly closed because they litter all over them. Now people with stock cars are gonna get the people that spend thousands modifying their cars to actually be offroad capable in trouble for being incapable of these things. God I hate people more and more every day.
Sorry to hear about the trail shut downs near you. Like one of the other commenters said. If we could implement gate keeping obstacles, or permits maybe to keep the average Joe out, it might improve. I want to belive that most of us off roaders practice *leave it better than you found it*
Its a used CVT Pioneer, we will have a full video coming out including a few different roof top tents soon! For now there's a video out there about mounting it, in the Santa Cruz Playlist.
It's a sad conundrum, parks are protected so we can all experience it, but the experience grows more sanitized the popular it gets. So offroad enthusiasts go and blaze a new trail, only to eventually be followed by the general public in their rental jeep. Repeat. It's like a person who moves out to a virgin forest, only to find that the very trail they blazed became the highway that urbanizes the area.
apparently one of the issues at moab and some other parks has been people flying in, renting vehicles, and then just sending it... with no knowledge of what the vehicle is capable of, nor care about damaging the rental nor trail, and the cost of recovery in manpower and money has become too much. I think maybe a permit that requires you to be able to drive some simple obstacle course, or maybe gatekeeper obstacles at the trail heads are in order.
@@streetskier people will still try and fail there. And environmental damage will still be done. Stranded vehicles, busted oil pans, blocked trails. This is not a solution. The vehicle inspections and permitted access are.
Isnt that kind of person half of Matt's Off-road Recovery's business? Its probably 100% true that the NPS and struggling to keep up, especially in a place like Moab. Even relatively mild trails in Moab have pretty extreme approach and departure angle requirements. My GX460 with a lift and 33" tires came back with damage to front and rear bumpers, skids and trailer hitch after two days of trails in Moab.
it's all about volume. in the past 3-4yrs, parks have exploded with people loading up rigs and heading out to explore. i live in N Az, and i can say i have never seen so many "off roaders" in my area, camping, driving, or just exploring. it takes a toll on the roads and environment, in general, which is why they are probably trying to address this issue. many don't understand off road etiquette, which results in the 'few ruining it for the rest of us". i have a lifted '23 Rene TH, 10'' clearance, at tires, and belly protection, but i still stick to what i know. Plenty of lifted Jeeps etc out here, so i just don't want to get in the way on some trails, and i don't like crowded trails (which is damn near impossible to find). it sucks yeah, but i get it, and we can still have fun 'soft roading'. 😎✌
Just drove my AWD Santa Cruz on Various trails in Colorado, amazing what a good set of tires can do. However, I have very limited experienced and attempted Ophir pass after speaking with a couple Jeep owners who thought I could make it. Grip was never an issue but some rocks I feared I did not have the clearance and decided to reverse back down. Looking at the photos of the spot I couldn't pass, as you say picking the right line would have gone a Long way. However the stress of others waiting to pass and being only with my wife on the drive added to the stress. Santa Cruz gets a lot of hate for not being a very "off road capable" vehicle and this is not true at all, with good tires, and good planning this little UTE can handle alot.
Hell yeah, there's no shame in turning back. Not worth the damage and headache. You could prly get it don't with a spotter and 2nd vehicle. Worth a shot in the future!
I think the issue is these vehicles often have to take alternate routes going off trail and destroying some of the landscape which can take decades to recover and blm is trying to prevent that from happening. Just because you see a bypass does not mean that it’s part of the trail.
That’s on the park to mark the trails appropriately. Two weeks ago, I misread a map and went down an old trail that put me in the hairiest situation yet (think flip and roll down a small canyon). When I go to the other side, that road was blocked off only from the side I exited.
@@AdventureGT I’ve got 4 low, lockers, 13” of ground clearance, and tons of experience, so it wasn’t too bad. Someone with less capabilities would be in a lot of trouble. That probably gets to the point of requiring a 4x4 vs awd. They’re just trying to set minimum requirements to reduce problems. Their rules can never capture all the nuances. There should be an exception process. The most skilled unmodified subi driver will always fair better than someone with a brand new wrangler on 37” and zero experience (there’s a lot of those guys).
Unfortunately most people don’t even notice to air down going off-road. Being in sand is worse. One should not be allowed on sand without a fire extinguisher and the ability to air up and down on there own
I basically turned my 4Runner into a towing service the last time we went to the beach....Not even AWD vehicles, just people taking their FWD cards onto the beach, using momentum to park in deep sand and then not being able to get out...SURPRISE!!!! (not really a surprise). I aired down before even going out on the sand, even though we were not planning on playing in the dunes...
I have a renegade TrailHawk, and this letter concerned me. I've been to Moab, and my stock Rene did Fins and Things, Poison Spider, Hells Revenge and a couple minor trails completely stock. Several times I took a bypass around an obstacle, but as you say, knowing you and your vehicle's limits is key. There were several people saying my little jeep isn't a true 4wd due to how the driveline operates. One concern I have is, what's next? Vehicles over a certain age not allowed? Older vehicles on average break down more often. I really think they need to make it on a case by case basis. Subaru Wilderness models for sure can do most 4x4 trails. Buick Encore GX not so much. Or require permits, vehicle inspections and set up a small mock obstacle set prior to the trail. If your vehicle makes it, you get the permit.
Couldn't agree more. We are impressed by the renagades capabilities. Props to your for finishing Fins and Things! I want to try that with our rigs. One thing I didn't think about till now is what you said. I can see them shutting down vehilces of a certain age. The other day we saw a camp ground rejecting old vehicles pulling campers. Said it was concerns with reliability and what not. Unfortunately well have to wait and see what the future holds.
There are two screws on my baja that hold up the ash tray. Have to remove them in order to remove the cover around the center panel. Wasn't mentioned in the video.
