$1 VS $2000 Aventurine 

...at e6s5 with e6s5 teammates yea

Topaz e6s5 carry hard

@@jonnevitu4979still a sustain against 40% img res

@@Lazi-2k24 still an e6s5 unit with Topaz also at e6s5 buffing thr shit out of that follow up atk lol, what is 40 res to that?

​@@jonnevitu4979 he is still just a shielder. The dmg is just a nice bonus. Do u really expect a shielder to do the same dmg as a hyper carry? It's like you wanna do luocha dps just because his ult does dmg

archon? kek

Tbf, both seele and jingyuan has trash edilions.

@@tayyabo yeaa truuu the gap between seele & JY eidolons with 1.2+ character eidolons is insane.

@@mrconan400 indeed, the only food edilion for jy is like e1 and e6 I think, not sure about seele.

His ult does the same dmg as my e2 clara with s1 secret vow

who pulls for e6 aventurine and has argenti as main dps🤣

@@marknavarro4592 me I do. I have a weird fetish of seeing my sup do more dmg than my dps.

@@hentikirby7142 Actually pretty based

From the bright side, Moment of Victory is good enough comapratively AND comes with built in taunt value... Saves money pulling S1. Can save it for Jiaoqui, as "support" Eidolons are generally better, looking at Black Swan E1 e.g. its kinda nutty to give that much All Res Pen + enemies will usually be shocked from Acheron for another Lightning res pen.

@@marknavarro4592 argenti is my one of my favorite characters so I would still use him if I had an e6 aventurine :)

??, If enemies have different debuffs wouldn't they take different amounts of damage?

@anonnymus6355 that's still consistent damage, consistent ≠ same If his FuA is aoe based and each target receives around 20k then his damage goes from 40k 2 target to 100k 5 targets that's what i would consider inconsistent

Yes, many person think his dmg scales off with the enemy amounts, when it's not. In fact, his dmg would be lower in general on multiple enemies if there are single target debuff like proof of debt.

​@@saddany3254 unrelated but for some reason I thought your pfp was TF2 soldier

Doesn't his LL targets dead enemies? Like, if it kills someone other hits might target them again.

except that my $0 dps does more dmg than JY

Doesn't change Aventurine's performance in the slightest, and the same dps is used with every other step which also keeps it consistent.

If you're just testing the difference between Aventurine changes, as long as the rest is kept constant, it wouldn't even matter if he had a $1million dps. He's not testing how fast he can clear overall; just in comparison to the first run.

No, it’s a test of “1$” vs $2000 in terms of sustaining, not damage. Using an E6 dps won’t affect Aventurine’s shield sustaining at all.

Not timelyratiorine they got e6s5 while only on esp and bp in under 600 pulls some people luck is insane

third option is to go small fuxuan rerun

Fu xuan does a lot of dmg too at e6s5

​@@gabiblackNot 300k

@@gabiblackno. you know that aventurine ult is single target and it can reach 300k fu xuan are aoe ult damage so they’re not the same

Topaz e6s5 carry him

@@gem_ola6642 his topaz are e2 💀

Dont think the e6 aventurine is his account

Its not his acc

He's been doing this series for a long time and its not his account

Genuinely, respectfully, relateable

Doesn't matter bro has e6 Acheron

E6 midyuan getting out damaged by a sustain is something that can’t be overlooked though 😭💀

@@goofsphere1 Yeah, I guess only toxic community can count. Positive friendly community wouldn't mind that sustainer does the same damage as supposed "hyper carry" on the same level of investment ... :D. Where are these copium overdosed people coming from? :D

OUR GENERAL

Bro seeing him using Pela with Jing Yuan hurt my eyes, even Asta is much better than Pela in this comp

Because it's so absurd that an e6 JY is doing comparable damage to e0 acheron

because JY's eidolons mostly don't increase his direct damage. E1: increases blast multiplier, not base, E2: increases skill/basic/ult after LL goes (20%), E4: energy regen, E6: inflict vulnerable after first LL hit to enemy (stacks up to 3) so if an enemy gets hit once then never again, no change in damage. So basically the only damage increases are e2 and e6 (also multiplier from e3/e5) isn't enough to change the relative damage. It's more of a JY diff than a relics diff I think

The damage might not, but the break does.

They're basically the same except fu is providing max hp, crit rate and cdmg (e1 vs e1, fu xuan provides more cdmg, the more important effect is the shield on ult) while he is meant to keep the shield stacked and healthy. He'll be better for G&G but for general MoC, I'd say they're pretty much same tier as an e1 vs e1 comparison. He's more SP friendly tho, that's true.

@@ZeromusNightmare122 they are not the same. Fu Xuan advantage - 12% CR and one CC block per SP. Aventurine = 3 times more SP generation per rotation, significant damage and perfect scale with shields and FuA mechanics. Also Fu Xuan realy weak against dots and strong AoE in long combats, while Aventurine will never give a sh*t about these. He have no wekness at all, sometimes you might need to reroll combat to roll resist against most important debuffs, that's it. HoYo keep showing us - old charasters are not mutch to new one. Powercreep is real and pretty big.

To be fair, Jing Yuan is one of the most team mate reliant character. Whether that is a good thing or not, idk

@@tejasgupte3116 tbf, his eidolons also kinda suck lol. Aside from e1 and e6, the others are kinda garbage.

Thanks to our favorite dinosaur

It's probably just the dino. that thing is nasty. We did see hunt multipliers kill it, tho that's their function.

@@deltaspecies1697 Even then, his e1 is mid and his e6 is disappointing. Prydwen calculated e6 JY doing 135% single target/150% 3 target damage compared to e0. Meanwhile, ratio e6 is 272% ST, acheron 233% ST/240% 3T, DHIL 218% ST/218% 3T, jingliu 204% ST/158% 3T

I think your build is just trash

YEAH I AM COPING LEAVE ME BE

??? Something seriously wrong with your acheron man

@@shotgunammoi meant the part when he did 370k with follow up

@@DracoAtom he's e6s5. I'm sure e0s1 acheron can do that just fine. I think it's also possible for gnsw s5 to reach that.

@DracoAtom thats follow up tho, after having 10 stacks, thats like using acheron skill twice and one ult completely poops on it by more than double haha, my acheron even quadruples the LL without being limited to once per cycle

To battery the units on either side. It's not really as relevant with him since he has no increased aggro, but yeah

He has more aggro as preservation, gains one blind bet stack for each ally targeted and one extra for himself if hit. Positioned in the middle like that he gets hit by 3 out of the 4 blast attack targets, and if he's attacked directly he's gaining 2 stacks from each side, plus safely serving as battery.

Pela is pretty meh for jingyuan so prob that's why

Mihoyo want all that cash from powercreep.

@@saddany3254 indeed, seele edilions and jingyuan edilions are dogshit. So bad that even e0 units are outshining them rn.

@@tayyabo exactly. Seele E1 +15% crit rate if the enemy is below 80% health - which is only useful against boss since Seele should one shot mobs. Meanwhile Acheron E1 is a straight 18% crit rate without condition at all. That is such a blatant eidolon powercreep.

⁠@@saddany3254acheron’s crit rate is against debuffed enemies.

Yes it is, but that’s team also gets fucked by the Dino

people hype for aventurine and I tried building 40pity and accidentally got him all I can say is fuxuan and huohuo is a lot better, the crit rate and attck boost energy is just much more better

@@marknavarro4592 what team are you running him on?

​​@@goldshot754ignore the team what the fck is his build? I'm agree his damage still "small" But it's still a decent one(specially since you can do it frequently) and his sustain overally is on fuxuan level

His f2p dmg outside of the premium follow up team (Ruan+topaz+ratio) really is negligible. Even with signature, is still cannot make meaningful difference. As shown in this vid, it only starts shave off 1 cycle clear after E2 S1, granted it's not his premium team. His terrible base multiplier requires a heavy investment in both team mates and himself - including relics - to make a difference. A team that doesn't have strong team buffer like Ruan or strong debuffer like Topaz, his dmg made no difference whatsoever in clear time. I've compared with gepard, and it clears the exact same time. The point is, his sub dps gimmick is very niche. Outside of the premium follow up team, he's just a sustainer. Even in ratio hypercarry and topaz hypercarry (not both of them together), Huohuo is still provides the best support since ulting one turn sooner is significant compared to aventurine unbuffed dmg. And someone like Huohuo - Fu Xuan aswell - only needs trace investment to get their supportive prowess, they don't need specific team, and lightcone investment.

Bro it's hilarious when an e6 dps does the same damage as an e0 dps + JY mains keep defending and causing drama lol

@@Arlecchino.111 Of course, he’s been massively power crept. It was funny when JY mains were coping, saying that Acheron was going to be worse, then being proven wrong. But at this point, people are just looking for any reason to trash talk him, even when other dps characters like Yanqing exist.

@gregstunts347 that's exactly what makes it hilarious

I think the problem is that JY mains are still coping and still do not accept the fact that Acheron is stronger than him. If you were to even mention Acheron in a comment in their subreddit, you'll be downvoted to oblivion unless you are shitting on her. If you don't believe me, go try it for yourself. Neither side will back down tbh. The more JY mains cope and push back, the more these toxic chatters will also push back. I have to admit tho, it's hilarious watching the 2 sides fight XD

​@@Arlecchino.111 you're saying this as if it isn't just both sides causing drama... I've mained plenty of "weak" units in both Genshin and HSR and as much as people cope on those characters being good there's never drama unless "outsiders" start shitting on their characters. Especially since, while Jingyuan is weaker than other top tier carries, his performance is actually pretty good, much better than what people trashing him believe (idk about whale level tho), it's just that a bounce type main source of damage + locked (low) spd on it is a really terrible gameplay experience

I wouldn't say as much, 'cause there's really no point in building Luocha with too much healing as overhealing does nothing, whereas Aventurine has a a bunch of stats he cares about, DEF and Crit DMG mainly. But then again, you can choose to build full SPD Aventurine and he's also got a good base SPD, the issue is how well you can build him with high shield as well to make it SP positive, and if you'd have enough SPD to be as fast as a multiplication Luocha.

@@akirayuki6275loucha is still best in slot for a lot of teams.

@@orlandogastelum1539 Yeah, Aventurine can definitely be SP positive, but even with my 163 SPD Multiplication Luocha (no Wind set, no Vonwac, no 4pc SPD) there are some turns in which my DHIL cannot 3SP Basic with a SPD tuned Sparkle (on Bronya LC) so I can't imagine an E0 Aventurine being able to keep up. On a Hyper SPD Sparkle (slow DHIL) build it's almost too much SP though.

​@@orlandogastelum1539 OK, I like Luocha as a character, but you want to claim he's actually good ... so. Name ONE team where Luocha is best in slot :D