@@broaderFOCUS It can depend a bit, the problem isn't so much when using one or two mics, often times a lot of the more expensive comes down to coordinating multiple channels of wireless. Things like antenna distribution, quality of RF filtering, etc. make more of a difference there. You do get some differences when talking analog companders vs digital signals, but that applies cheap or expensive as there are cheap digital mics as well these days. Also you can look at some aspects such as latency that don't make as much of a difference in filming as they do live.
When on the subject of sound, off camera sound is an option with multiple performers. Smaller Zoom, Tascam, Olympus, and related products are able to capture up to 24 bit 96K sample sound in stereo or more for post production. For outdoor film with just speech, some of the personal audio recorders produce excellent sound with a decent mic. Even some cell phones are used as field recorders. Best to put those in airplane mode. Way too many youtube videos are interrupted by a text message. Many cheap wireless mics have poor frequency response and an ever present background hiss of poor S/N ratio.
I've been using the Falcon Eyes Bi-color mats (18's and 2x2) for a couple years now. They've traveled, been smashed, in the rain and totally abused. Only thing that starts to fail is some of the fabric stitching but who cares. Totally love them and so versatile. Mine don't exhibit any green/magenta shift. May be some QC issues with different batches coming from the factory which wouldn't be surprising. Nice thing about Amazon is you can just return them and get another if the color isn't spot on.
Great comparison! I love my Neewer NL-660 kit. I got 3 Bi-color LED panels with stands, power cords, and cases for only $290. They're plenty bright for most use and also take power off Sony NP-F batteries which has been a lifesaver on so many jobs!
Hey Griffin, I enjoyed the video, but you missed one thing that's very important. The tint. Cheaper lights very often have a green or magenta tint which is a big deal if you want consistent and accurate colour. You briefly mentioned it but would have liked to see an accurate test / visual comparison.
Griffin, just wanna say you're my favorite RU-vidr when it comes to film related videos. Everything you say is relevant to the topic and you manage to keep things interesting. Thanks for posting, you're a great inspiration to me
This is EXACTLY the video I needed! I'm looking at new LED lights on a budget, and then this popped up in my notifications. 10 years later and Indy Mogul is still helping my shoots where I need it most, my wallet!
IDEA: Cheap LED Tubes vs expensive LED Tubes (maybe vs DIY LED Tubes with Hi CRI LED Strips) Anorher idea Cheap COB LED Lights (like Godox ) vs Expensive COB LED lights (like Aputure) An Episode about light modifiers would be amazing❤
@@KaidoLP I thunk The L Series is made for studios and not for indie filming or traveling Sets. I hate using the skypanel on mobile Sets because of its weight and it is unusable with V-mount. But yeah COB LEDS cheap vs middle class vs expressive would be nice
Yongnuo 35mm 2.0 vs Canon 35mm F1.4L II Canon "nifty" 50mm 1.8f vs 50mm 1.2L And maybe one of them Tamron / Sigma / Rokinon zoom lenses vs an L series zoom
This was the first 'cheap vs expensive' comparison video that I've liked. I'd like to see more where there's the expensive vs cheap but then a slightly more expensive than cheapest option. Having these 3 points of data, and not just using a price point exactly in the middle, allows us to really see the differences in the premium vs cheap quality curve. Thank you!!
This video is about a year old and I just came across it. Learned a lot had a lot of fun. I actually am an old video guy who is getting back into things and used to use tungsten lights if you remember those.I also have some cheaper LEDs that don't change lights and I thought hey why don't I just throw a gel and I'm like we would have done anyway. I love these new lights they're so much lighter than the old Arri gets me to drag around from shoot to shoot. Looking forward to seeing more from IndyMogul I love this channel years ago when I was starting out and now that I'm back into it I'm revisiting relearning and engaging. Looking forward to all that comes :-)
Thank you for this. The wescott is perfect for lighting my kitchen, but i haven't pulled the trigger due to price. So its really nice to know about these other options. Currently light set up is a genaray spectroled and and wescott Ice light. The ice light is nice as I often throw it behind my stove to create a nice natural lighting when I'm cooking. But a flat light can be tapped to the wall which is a bit more ideal for me.
Was the flicker tested for at full brightness? Because of the way these LED lights are controlled, they will usually be fine at max output, but some beging to downright strobe once you start dimming them.
@@Nvrr0 na i actually didnt have that, its a youtube who actually demo all the frame rates and it was no issues, may have been a bad one but its a good light the godox 200 and above had issues
I’ve used the Wescott lighting and the cheapo LEDs and the biggest drawback for me on the cheap LEDs is the low CRI. They throw a green spike that is very unflattering. You can use a 1/4 magenta (minus green) gel to help that but it’s never perfect. But still, $2,000 vs $200? I can live with a little green if I absolutely need a flexible fabric light.
You should also check out the Menik flex panels! I bought both the 102A and the 68A (and the addt'l softboxes). They're affordable, have good CRI and TLCI, surprisingly punchy, and are super useful when you need to squeeze a light in a weird spot or need something to run off v-mount. I use them on commercials and shorts quiet often.
and then there's the bicolor for like $280. I've been using the 24tdx (150W bi-color) for a year now and love it - amazing light for my editing space as well.
This was excellent. Don't own a flex light, but I like the large surface area of the light. Never paid attention because I thought they were too expensive, but you have offered some good options. thanks for doing this!
Griffin! Hells yea.. The other crew are awesome.. but for years you were the face of Indy Mogul for me. So.. yes the other guys are great.. just good to see you back on as well in whatever capacity you are here.
Such timeless test ! Next smart thing to do : buy some cut Westcott baggies, cut them and velcro the Wescott name on the back of ur Fositans. Make ur crew happy again.
@@SirRelith I have watched several videos on both issues and my conclusion is that neither is a problem. I can't remember who but there were some comprehensive tests for flicker and there was none. I've also seen some comparisons of fan noise to the 120D and consensus is that the Godox is about as loud as the 120D gets when it has ran for about 5 mins. marginal difference. Unless you are recording with your mic directly next to the light, then it should never be a major issue. I have seen some people experience a slight color shift or problems with the remote being touchy, but others had zero issues. So like any product, there may be some bad units out there, but it looks like Godox is a reputable company. After weeks of looking into these lights, I have ordered one. I can report back once I receive it and do some of my own tests. They are backordered right now because they are blowing up online.
Great review. And at those prices you can get multiples of the cheap ones. I recently got the Neewer versions of these and absolutely love them. The Westcott’s are awesome, but out of my price range.
Great video! I have been looking at getting a few flexible LED panels and the Fositans are much cheaper than the ones I found for the same features. Thanks again Griffin!
The flicker comparison would be better done at lower brightness levels. It's the PWM signal that causes the flicker, and the LEDs are basically on 100% of the time when you're at full brightness.
Search for Travor FL-3060A for the bi-colour version of the Fositan (I believe Travor is the manufacturer and there are many rebranded versions). The brightness output is the same as the single colour and only a little more expensive so a no brainer.
Trying to figure out how bright these lights are compared to ones I have. Any idea how their brightness compares to the Neewer CN216 or CN 304? Thanks!
I need some serious guidelines on how to do a video shoot on a beach. What time is perfect when the sea can look more blue and we don't burn out of sun. Is evening better that sunrise. What things should be kept in mind while video shooting on a beach. Which angles would look perfect. Please give some tips and tricks. I can't find any on RU-vid for video shoots on a beach. It's a low budget project. Thanks ♥️
The Fositan seems to have a horrible CRI rating though while the westcott reproduces color accurately. Why didn't you measure this, considering the fact that it is way more important than output.
I have two fl-3060a led panels - the bi-colour version of the fositan (many different brands offering the same thing rebranded) and the CRI seems pretty good to my eye. I haven't noticed and green/magenta casts and am pretty happy with them so far. Will have to see how long they last but so far no problems. Wireless control in the box is nice and can control both lights with one remote - just don't lose it as there's no other way to control them. I believe "Travor" is the manufacturer so will have the best price compared to the rebrands.
Great finds. I've bookmarked the Fositan and Falcon Eyes lights for future reference. By the way, the links in the description for the Fositan and Falcon Eyes go to Wescott lights instead.
I see a lot of people comparing the Godox sl 60 and 150w against the aputure 120d. There's also a similar falcon eyes light but these lights hardly have any reviews on Amazon. I'd like to see a test like this for those lights!
Awesome comparison! We've been looking for a replacement for our softbox kit because the colour is essentially green, and the boxes are too darn big! Cheers Griffin 😃👍
I think I heard that the CRI for the FOSITAN was like 90, and the Falcon Eyes was 92 or something. Not sure, but my impression is that the CRI is good enough considering their price.
Suggestion: Cheap Tube-lights vs. Expensive Tube lights! There's a lot of options out there, both bi-color and RGBW, and they're very popular these days..! Quasar / Andromeda / Voyager / Yongnuo
It would have been cool to show What kind of light package you could create from the $2k+ buying the cheap lights and how bright it is when you have 3 cheap lights together on each of your 3 point lighting setup. Crazy.
I agree, the westcotts are amazing lights (yes, I’ve used them quite a bit, but only because others I’ve worked with already owned them), but the price is soooo over the top! Even at half that price, it’s ridiculous. You can buy several Travor lights or falcon eyes for the price of one westcott panel! FWIW, there are other westcott options, including straight daylight only, but even those are ridiculously priced.
What's crazy is, you can buy BOTH cheap ones, and some gels, use them together* to offset some of the light loss or get into more creative multiple lihht set ups and still have a lot of money left over (say for some stands, a new tripod, a light meter and more)! *I suppose you wouldn't want to mix the lights due to the different base colours, but for the sake of argument it's moot.
I have the same Falcon Eye RX18. Its great! You can get a bicolor version though. But as with every bi-color light system its probably not going to be as bright as if it was only daylight or tungsten only
Not Indy Mogul by any means but Neewer makes a C stand with an arm for roughly $130, It's a world of difference compared to the flimsy $30 light stands. Reliability, Sturdiness, and Configurability. It is a lot heavier though.
The mainstream light makers are so primitive. Huge adapters, boxes to lug around, way over prices. The end is coming for these guys if they don't get their act together.
NIce video! First time watching this series and i love it. I think Cheap slider VS Expesive SLider could be nice! Sorry about my bad english, i speak spanish.
