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$27 Dollar Speaker Cable Update - You WILL NOT BELIEVE What Has Changed! 

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What has transpired here over the last 48 hours has been interesting. You won't believe how these $27 dollar speaker cables have changed!
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@joebeckham8352
@joebeckham8352 10 дней назад
For $100k You could build a room that was actually big enough and at the proper dimensions to house a system like that and use the $27 cables...Guarantee it would make a much bigger difference than spending the $100k on speaker cables.
@TheNLHAZE
@TheNLHAZE 10 дней назад
Lmfao 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@InPursuitOfLiberty
@InPursuitOfLiberty 10 дней назад
Exactly 💯 and this is what I actually did. I converted my barn into a man cave complete with heat and air, large windows and an incredible view of the countryside. I have a McIntosh MA12000 integrated amp and an Innuos Pulsar Streamer with 12 guage commercial grade speaker wires that were hooked up to my Elysian 4 spkrs (just sold them and replacing them with LaScalaAL5). Everything sounds really musical and engaging, the view outside is great and I'm quite happy. No need for $100k wire or $200k spkrs.
@a.s.2426
@a.s.2426 10 дней назад
Valid line of thinking.
@damonsbest
@damonsbest 10 дней назад
@@InPursuitOfLibertyI wouldn’t say no need for better cables & gears as a dedicated room built for audio reproduction would really show the benefits of them. But you’ve gone in the right direction as you would be getting a lot more for your money with a good room & proper acoustic treatments.
@geminijinxies7258
@geminijinxies7258 10 дней назад
No matter the size of the room he'll still need really good cables, but those he can get for a few hundreds of dollars. No need for insanity levels like $100k.
@ryanschipp8513
@ryanschipp8513 9 дней назад
"Cables settle into the system".........Lmao! What a line of garbage.
@user-eh3qz4zv1o
@user-eh3qz4zv1o 10 дней назад
Jay, 100k for any cable is insane... One of the reasons I enjoyed watching the Lab is learning how not to waste time and money on taking chances with gear. You are doing this for us and I Thank you. Here is an idea, use your cable line taking the larger part of that 100k and purchase one of the latest R to R's along with a studio master recording. For the better part of the 100k you can buy a lot of recordings. The sound will blow you away! The latest tape machines use very highend heads which are XLR.
@Oneness100
@Oneness100 10 дней назад
If you knew how much time it takes to mfg,. them, go through the R&D phase, you'd realize that the network is mfg. like a high end piece of gear. The cable itself uses their standard design that they've had on the market for decades. It's the network box that has HUNDREDS of LRC circuits and they have to hand match every single component so that they can make a pair of identical cables. They also measure the resistance/capacitance/inductance of the cable every couple of feet to ensure the cables are mfg. to the highest tolerances. It takes them probably a month to mfg. one pair of those cables and EVERYTHING goes through hand matching components, etc. at every stage of the mfg. process. the billet aluminum boxes are probably thousands of dollars to mill out, the labor is one month, or more of labor for a skilled worker, plus the price of the materials, which are custom mfg. to their specs.
@user-eh3qz4zv1o
@user-eh3qz4zv1o 10 дней назад
@@Oneness100 Most Audiophile's systems would improve much more on gear than any cable would provide. The only reason to spend 100k on cables is when the pockets are deep and there is nothing else to buy.
@Oneness100
@Oneness100 10 дней назад
@@user-eh3qz4zv1o Well, they aren't for those, like you, that don't have $100K+ to spend on a pair of cables. It's not like the company is forcing you to buy them either. They just are what they are when they take their design philosophy to the maximum level. Are they great cables? Sure. Are they worth $100K+? I'm sure to those that buy them, they feel they got their money's worth, otherwise they wouldn't buy them. Some people buy things like that because of the exclusivity factor, the engineering behind the design and the level and attention to detail with how they are mfg.'d. Since you don't have the money or a system to put them in, you'll never know what they do to a system, but you don't have to have an expensive system to hear their differences. They'll make just as much of an improvement as any other device in the system, like an amp or pre amp that costs that much money, it's just they bring out a lot of details that other cables lose. That's the point of making them.
@SastusBulbas1
@SastusBulbas1 8 дней назад
@@Oneness100 You have a $100'000 speaker cable using copper with fancy covers on it and a massive box of electronics to try and even out LCR values, so it can replay what is on a recording. Look at what you are claiming, hundreds of LCR circuits in the signal path, hand matched components, measured LCR every couple of feet, in an industry where guys with $40'000 lab equipment can show you a $2500 Audioquest interconnect measures the same as a freebie RCA cable you get with a budget CD player. You then have IDIOTS claiming it resolves more detail than the cables that made the recording. If the cable is $100'000 then all your hearing is what a $30 cable put into that master tape. You cant hear anything else. So either the resolution you hear is what a $30 cable can reproduce onto the recording, or the $100'000 cable is not truthful and actually altering the sound in a manner that makes you believe its more resolving. Its like having a black and white movie, and playing it on a colour TV, you only get what is on the recording. Black and white. Its like watching VHS and claiming a cable gives you 4k 60hz resolution from that 525 lines at 29fps. But that is the reality of audiophiles, recordings made with the likes of Van Damme over many many meters of cables in rooms full of equipment, and all of a sudden there is a quality issue with cables outside proffesional mastering. How the hell does Canare cable resolve so much detail onto a recording that you can only hear it with $100'000 cable and the Canare as an example cannot resolve what it recorded. Basically its that sort of argument we hear. I personally would love to see these MIT cables tested over at ASR forums.
@Oneness100
@Oneness100 8 дней назад
@@SastusBulbas1 Well, YOU are the ignorant one here. All of those LRC circuits are NOT in the signal path like you suggest. If the LCR circuits were wired in series, then yes, they would act like a VERY high precision, and huge equalizer that has up to 268 bands of EQ. Imagine designing and mfg's a high precision EQ with 268 bands and every component is hand matched and put in a milled billet aluminum enclosure? How much would GML charge for a 268 band stereo eq like that? GML charges $7600 for a stereo EQ that has only 5 bands of eq and it's just in a low cost enclosure. So you're paying how much per band of EQ? $760 per band. 10 bands for 5 band stereo, right? MIT is charging a LOT less than that if you price it per network. MIT is charging only $186 per network in the ACA 268. 268 networks for a PAIR of cables. The difference is that the MIT Cables are in a more expensive milled billet aluminum enclosure, and each component is probably hand matched to tighter tolerances than GML. They are wired in parallel, NOT in series. Case closed, next time do your homework and NOT assume anything. Each of those values of LCR components and cable have to be measured and matched down to a gnat's ass if you will, as every cable has to MEASURE and sound the same. I forget the level of precision, but it's VERY precise. I think the resistors are down to a .001 of an ohm if I'm not mistaken. The cable itself uses the highest quality copper cable from Cardas cable, and they use three different guage strands. They use a prescribed number of strands per bundle of the three gauges and each bundle is wrapped a different number of times as they have to be in phase and time aligned, and they are doing something like 12 or so twists per foot on a high precision cable winders. MIT has a patent on their cable design and it's quite unique. If you want, you can look at the patent on MIT"s website. FWIW, some of the top mastering studios and recording studios actually use MIT Cables or another company which is a similar (but definitely not the same) design called Transparent Cables. Skywalker Ranch actually wired their entire studio with MIT Cables and Gateway Studios wired their mastering lab with Transparent Cables? I do understand what you're trying to use as your argument and I understand. But hear me out. I believed, exactly like you, BEFORE I heard a pair of MIT Cables and I was reinforced that new belief after I used a pair of Transparent cables. I notice a LOT more smoothness in the overall presentation, I also notice no audible distortion in the region that I'm VERY sensitive to. There's the 2K to 4K region where there's distortion it can cause a pain in your ears/hearing. It's just VERY noticeable for me, it's been that way for a long time. that's why I would attend certain concerts and have to leave early if their PA system sucked. I also found out that distortions in that range can cause a ringing in your ears after you attend a live concert or exposed to high SPL for a length of time. Now, do people have to buy $100K cable to hear these subtle differences? NO. I heard a difference with both MIT and Transparent Cables cheapest cable. It's just that as you go up the line, they add more networks to the cables and they add enough for each model to make a noticeable difference and you just buy whatever you can afford that matches up with your system. Also, for interconnect cables between the pre amp and power amps, being matched for the resistance of input and output is critical. Some cable mfg. make cables that sound like crap, regardless of the cost because they aren't matched to the preamp/power amp output/input. on certain cables, MIT actually puts a switch so you can change between 3 different settings. Other cables, MIT will actually match at the factory, so if you know what range of resistance your amp/preamp is, then you can order them to be matched at the factory so they will work well with the electronics.
@yurifrags7564
@yurifrags7564 10 дней назад
Useless test until you do a blind A/B comparison and can pick the same cable 9 out of 10 times, does not really mean anything, placebo plays HUGE role
@RustyInSeattle
@RustyInSeattle 9 дней назад
Right? Have someone else do the rewiring while Jay wears the blindfold the whole time.
@SastusBulbas1
@SastusBulbas1 8 дней назад
Sounds like the $100'000 cable is actually a $27 cable with $99973 worth of passive filtering masking a rough edge the more transparent cheaper cable is highlighting?
@36karpatoruski
@36karpatoruski 10 дней назад
The people saying the box makes no difference are not necessarily the same people as those people that say the cables themselves make no difference.
@kellypoissant762
@kellypoissant762 10 дней назад
Those boxes definitely have components inside that the signal is passing through, so comparing straight-up cable to those is not an apples to apples comparison.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
Ok
@macstanley7101
@macstanley7101 9 дней назад
The idea is to test whether or not there’s a difference between cheap versus expensive cabling. Network hub or not, if there’s a difference, the comparison is valid. It’s not supposed to be “apples to apples”. One is 3,700,000% more expensive. It’s not supposed to be “apples to apples”.
@kellypoissant762
@kellypoissant762 9 дней назад
It's obvious that there will be a difference . The expensive cable is not just a cable it has an equalizer inline with it. So this test is completely invalid. You're comparing a cable with a cable and equalizer combo.
@Oneness100
@Oneness100 8 дней назад
Why would it make any difference? Cables with network boxes are just a different approach to making an audio cable. The LCR networks aren't wired in series like an EQ, so they don't alter the sound like an EQ does. What they are actually doing is designing "cables" for specific frequency range that operate as close to identical as the next. If you took all of the music related frequencies and their relative harmonics and measured how the energy at each frequency is stored and released, there is a measurable difference and that difference can be plotted out into a curve. That's essentially the fundamentals of MIT's cables. so their entry cables have 3 networks, and their most expensive have 268 networks per channel. their entry level had only three because it just to show their theory and to see if there's a difference with only 3 networks, covering the 3 bands of audio frequencies, THEN they got more precision and designed to specific frequencies, whether they were even or odd harmonic frequencies. That's where the level of precision and the number of networks had to be designed and mfg into the cable box. It gets immediately more expensive to mfg. as every component has to be hand matched and custom value resistors, capacitors and inductors have to be mfg. MIT mfg. their own inductors. And capacitors and resistors are made custom to MIT in terms of values and level of precision in tolerances, which drives the prices up multiples of just standard resistors and capacitors you can buy at Radio Shack.
@De132an
@De132an 10 дней назад
Cables can be a way of tone controls, pretty much it. All depends on inductance and capacitance which can cause resistance especially over longer distances. What I was tough for my EE profession.
@RustyInSeattle
@RustyInSeattle 9 дней назад
Yep I'm an electronics tech. Why throw away that lovely low output impedance with lamp cord cables? Plus the zip cord pair probably introduces capacitance, so the least one could do is zip them apart into single wires.
@joshuagordon5270
@joshuagordon5270 10 дней назад
I said it once, I’ll say it again. If there is anyone that thinks that speaker cables, power cords, component cables don’t make a difference, than one of two things are happening. One, you don’t have a good enough system to hear the difference. Two, you simply have terrible ears. Everything Jay is saying, is 100% true.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
thanks man
@Larwiz
@Larwiz 10 дней назад
@@joshuagordon5270 same "system isn't resolving enough" FALSE rhetoric. Smh
@jfritzy4358
@jfritzy4358 9 дней назад
@@Larwiz Yet another uninformed response repeating uniformed opinion. Level of resolution is reality that applies to audio systems. Dream on if you think there is no difference between cheap and expensive anything.
@Larwiz
@Larwiz 9 дней назад
@jfritzy4358 Lotta bold talk from the cable believers, but unfortunately, that's all you have, cuz you have no data or proof whatsoever. Just your "I can hear the difference, you can't cuz your system isn't resolving enough" nonsense. I bet YOU wouldn't bet your system that you could discern your cables from my 14 gauge COPPER CLAD cables, even 7 times out of 10. Tell me you can, and we can set up the bet, put it in writing, and figure out when to conduct the test. I lose, you get my system, do what you want with it. How confident are you?!?
@kydo6239
@kydo6239 9 дней назад
Bad cable tends to bring a lot of noises
@dominich.9745
@dominich.9745 9 часов назад
You set the stage,you picked your audience and when you didn’t get the answer you wanted you spun the outcome with some serious mental gymnastics! At a $19,973 difference there should be no comparison,the fact that they both picked the cheap cable speaks volumes about the scam that is cables and that more expensive is better.Blindfold someone and give them a ride in a Kia then give them a ride in a McLaren and ask which one was faster.Thats how this test should have worked if the difference was obvious.
@darylfortney8081
@darylfortney8081 10 дней назад
I’m not sure, is this a comedy channel? If so it’s a good one 😂
@darylfortney8081
@darylfortney8081 10 дней назад
Have you measured the capacitance and impedance yet?
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 9 дней назад
@@darylfortney8081Im not a measurements guy. There are other channels out there for that
@darylfortney8081
@darylfortney8081 9 дней назад
@@jaysaudiolab so it is a comedy channel is what you’re saying
@alexhudson3574
@alexhudson3574 7 дней назад
i think what concerns people is that the expensive cable has some sort of eq built into the box so that can alter the sound so its not a direct cable comparison
@jaba5994
@jaba5994 10 дней назад
The basic and only task of a good speaker cable is not to change anything in the sound or limit anything, in other words, the cable should be transparent. Certainly, a magic cable with box for 100k $ changes something, so this cable does not meet the criteria of a good cable, even though you may like what it brings to the sound, but DSP and equalizers are for such tricks.
@TheNLHAZE
@TheNLHAZE 10 дней назад
I love getting High and watching these cables channels.🤪🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@grenvillemills3562
@grenvillemills3562 4 дня назад
Jay. Please think of the box in the cable as a type of equaliser or tone control. It’s never entirely off. It’s natural for the ear to perceive that small change to bass and treble may enhance the listening experience. The oldest trick in the book for a salesman demoing a system. A small change in volume or tone is often described as clearer , sharper , more dinamic etc. but it’s literally just changing the sound. Like an equalizer in the system.
@wayneferriman4911
@wayneferriman4911 6 дней назад
It all comes back to good old ohms law. Cables "settling in" is ridiculous, they are exactly the same.
@Hi-EndAudioGuy
@Hi-EndAudioGuy 10 дней назад
Jay, the MIT cable is not really a "cable". It's a tone control, basically an EQ box. So if you run a blind test, all you'd be checking is whether your listeners are able to hear the difference that EQ made. I suspect all the MIT is doing is filtering out some of the high frequencies from your speakers which you perceived to be harshness. It's not really "snake oil" because it actually does do something to the signal. The issue is that you don't need to spend $100,000 to achieve that kind of sound in the hands of an audiophile who can measure the effect and replicate through some software. Why not do an apples-to-apples blind test? I agree with others, Authentic Audio Image Assoluto Speaker Cable ($4000?) vs. 12AWG OFC cable ($27).
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 9 дней назад
Maybe I will
@Hi-EndAudioGuy
@Hi-EndAudioGuy 9 дней назад
@@jaysaudiolab That would be great!
@macstanley7101
@macstanley7101 9 дней назад
This isn’t a bad train of logic, but you are entirely misinformed. We can’t measure for everything, but we CAN measure for frequency response. MIT and other companies like Transparent (though, not all others) have been measured to the fullest extent that technology currently allows. If it were as simple as an EQ, or more importantly, if it actually affected the frequency response in the way you’re describing, we would already know about it. Besides, it’s silly to suggest that the copious engineers out there designing network boxes are all EQing their cables.
@anthonysherry2628
@anthonysherry2628 10 дней назад
I bought a new cable, plugged it in, and it sounded great straight off. No effect pedal, just natural Strat tone.
@joegreer9584
@joegreer9584 10 дней назад
He sounds like a dad lecturing about not taking the trash out.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
Yep Thanks for listening son 😅
@wa2368
@wa2368 10 дней назад
@@jaysaudiolab Was the other cable $99,973 better Papi? You could have sponsored a months long meal plan for 500 Gautemalan kids.
@kennethchan3669
@kennethchan3669 8 дней назад
cable do make a difference for those who have high end hifi components , i have the same experience as jay has experience. i have cardas cables, interconnects and power cords.
@EricDSalisbury
@EricDSalisbury 9 дней назад
Jay, man I started my day today with a cup of coffee, and this video. I love that you left the blooper in there with the “oxygen-copper” cables. I laughed out loud! Your content is inspiring me. I think I should get myself an ultra high-end system, or at least something approaching ultra. I’m looking for my ideal sound right now. I heard the Magico S3 speakers with a sub briefly the other day and I didn’t like how the tweeters drew attention to themselves when I wanted them to do a disappearing act like the cheap bookshelves I have at home. Albeit, I was really impressed by everything else they did. The Wilson Audios I’ve heard sounded very enjoyable, clean and clear, maybe not as immersive as I wanted them to be, but I’ve yet to hear what the Alexx or the Chronosonics can do, or even just a good subwoofer pairing. I really like watching your Børresen tour content. I would certainly like to hear some of those in action. My impression is that they could strike a balance between engagement and refinement; without the feeling of compromising one for the other. Thanks for the great content Jay! I look forward to seeing the result of the “clash of the cables”!
@gordiefrench5342
@gordiefrench5342 10 дней назад
Hey Jay You are doing a great job on this test. I think what most people don't get is will cheap cables work for sure they will Are they the best hell no Thank you for doing this
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 9 дней назад
Thank you!
@martybousum1010
@martybousum1010 6 дней назад
System matching, synergistic integration of compatible components is necessary as you constantly advise. I totally believe this. Cheap cables for cheap components bring no discernible difference. BUT your system demands a similarly refined cable matching approach. I subscribe to buy the best you can afford being cognizant of overall system matching. You are a champion for audio wisdom & practicality. Racing fuel in a go cart makes no sense. Vice versa is also true. Low octane in a high performance engine is ridiculous. System matching is necessary!
@jonkraeme2
@jonkraeme2 10 дней назад
Jay, How about connecting those cheap cables to the control box versus your high end cables without. Then you can determine if the cables matter or the box is the answer to your listening clarity.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
They don’t work with the box. The connection isn’t compatible
@dominiquedistefano
@dominiquedistefano 10 дней назад
Take for example the Mogami 3104 with decent connectors vs your 100 k.....
@williamsarver2491
@williamsarver2491 6 дней назад
Cables settling into the system- kind of like day old chili 😅😅😅😅
@damonsbest
@damonsbest 10 дней назад
Jay is absolutely correct with cables settling in. First plug in & fully settled cables can sound vastly different. Not many people are spreading the word regarding this. If I do quick cable swap outs, I run music for 2 hours through the cable before sitting and evaluating. With eventually giving cables a day or 2 for final thoughts. ✌️
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
Good job
@Oneness100
@Oneness100 10 дней назад
It actually depends on the cables. It's more about the dielectric in that cables act like a resistor, inductor and capacitor and depending on the type of dielectrics used will determine if they need to be "broken in". Since MIT Cables have those networks inside the box, they have discrete resistors, capacitors and inductors and the capacitors do need some "break in" time.
@joonas4427
@joonas4427 10 дней назад
@@damonsbest This makes absolutely no sense.
@damonsbest
@damonsbest 10 дней назад
@@joonas4427 I won’t admit to understanding it at all, it shouldn’t make a difference, But it’s easy to hear. You can hear cable differences doing quick unplugging, but you won’t know how that cable will sound in one’s system until it "settles"
@KennethCrickmore-sl8jl
@KennethCrickmore-sl8jl 3 дня назад
Of course you could go a little upscale by getting some bulk microphone cable, which is shielded.
@CupOfSweetTea
@CupOfSweetTea 8 дней назад
Cable stabilization. Not heard of that as a physicist. Maybe the electrons woke up.
@norbert58
@norbert58 День назад
We know now that electricity does not travel in the wire but outside. Any cable close together will affect each other and much more carrying sound. To be fair you need to separate the cable. Thank you for your effort.
@jennifermartin8628
@jennifermartin8628 10 дней назад
I agree that cables make difference, often a big difference. I have no doubt that the two cables in this test will sound different. What I don't buy is cabling "settling in". What is going to change about the cable after "breaking in"? I'd really like to know that. I agree that electronic components and transducers can change after break in. But cables "settling in to your system"? I'd have to see proof of such a thing being possible.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 9 дней назад
Lots changed for me during a 24 hour window with these cables. I explained it on the video
@ryanschipp8513
@ryanschipp8513 9 дней назад
You hit the nail on the head. The only thing going through the cable is a signal. It's not like a woofer is flexing or capacitors resistors are warming up. There is no settling. He's just making it up
@dippadai
@dippadai 7 дней назад
@@jaysaudiolab instead of this "trust me bro" stuff you could actually very easily prove your claim by recording the audio coming from your speakers. Once with cheap cables and then expensive ones. Or in the opposite order, doesn't matter. Cheapest measurement mics costs around $40 and you can find a DAW for free.
@RobertKohut
@RobertKohut 10 дней назад
Keep in mind blind tests require several back and forth comparisons. One time on one cable and one time on the other is not accurate. Typically 10 swaps and then how many times out of 10 did the results reveal. Keep in mind that the 10 swaps should also include sessions where no switch happened.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
Won’t be doing 10 swaps. I only have 24 hours in a day
@oohtob6685
@oohtob6685 10 дней назад
I love 100k speaker cables. Especially when Jay's buying them and im not. 😊
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
Couldn't agree more!
@EricDSalisbury
@EricDSalisbury 9 дней назад
😂
@j.m.harris4202
@j.m.harris4202 10 дней назад
Jay, in general even the most Refined Copper Cables have always fallen shorter in the High Frequency Registers compared to Refined Silver Cables! But not All Brands using Copper are like that! Love your Comparisons!💪
@joonas4427
@joonas4427 10 дней назад
@@j.m.harris4202 what you mean fall short of high frequensies? All the Copper cables can go past 20khz flat? So they will play all the highs you can ever hear.
@j.m.harris4202
@j.m.harris4202 10 дней назад
@@joonas4427 Simply put, to well trained ears copper gets grainy and not as clear!
@joonas4427
@joonas4427 10 дней назад
@@j.m.harris4202 What you mean by well trained ears? Where did you train your ears?
@j.m.harris4202
@j.m.harris4202 10 дней назад
@@joonas4427 Many years on Sound Boards and HiEnd Home HiFi since the Mid 70's and 80's! Also just Subjective Personal Preferences!
@RustyInSeattle
@RustyInSeattle 9 дней назад
Silver is seven percent more conductive than copper. That would help preserve the output impedance of the amp.
@matthewhilty4209
@matthewhilty4209 10 дней назад
I am not a large believer in cables being a huge difference but I still buy copper OCC well constructed cables. I generally feel that the price to performance is not as good as buying a higher end product in the same product stack. However giving ANY component a full week of evaluation then swapping back will tell you what you need to know. You will immediately notice when you take the upgrade away or swap back to your original component after your full week. If there was no difference or worse take it back. This method ALWAYS works for me.
@AbsoluteFidelity
@AbsoluteFidelity 10 дней назад
We are all saying that the box with all that passive network will change the sound and that can be proven with measurements. If it sounds any better it doesnt mean it is better. We are also saying that getting used to sound is more real than break in. That is where you should do an ABX with a switcher, because nothing is worse than audio memory. No excuses about a switcher being in the way of the signal, it will apply to A&B so stop speaking like its going to only affect B. Audio science is saying that if there is no difference in measurements, there wont be any audible difference. Those are the claims, nothing more, nothing less.
@robertjermantowicz-uw3iw
@robertjermantowicz-uw3iw 10 дней назад
Audio Science Review is correct.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
Meh
@andydogdixon1
@andydogdixon1 10 дней назад
My speaker cables are over 40 years old. High-end In their day, very heavily insulated. Down through the years, I have switched and added many different components and speakers. There is no reason whatsoever I should, or will ever ever let go of these cables.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 9 дней назад
Ok 👍
@1997inspire
@1997inspire 9 дней назад
100k could give you a high quality 98inch Tv, killer surround speaker system, four 15 inch powrerd subwoofers,a good preamp/processor, a multichannel amplifier and seating for 8 people and a good streamer.
@philippec6792
@philippec6792 9 дней назад
Thank you again for putting your great experience in exceptional hi-fi equipment at our service and giving us the right advice in this controversial field of cables and here speaker cables. Like you, I was able to see that the volume button is a very good assessment test (hearing fatigue) in changing cables.
@bmultimate1one1
@bmultimate1one1 10 дней назад
I wish that you tried the 10 gauge OFC cable.
@blueribb99
@blueribb99 10 дней назад
I remember when Monster Cables were introduced (1979). The only reason I bought them was for the looks. Per foot, they weren't that expensive, and 12 gauge was a nice thick cable at the time. I was an electronic engineering student and knew better than to waste money on more expensive cables.
@sportsfanivosevic9885
@sportsfanivosevic9885 9 дней назад
Being an engineering student does not relate to how well you can hear.
@jefflabute2946
@jefflabute2946 2 дня назад
@@sportsfanivosevic9885 being an 'engineer' means one designs power-supplies, amplifiers, and speaker/enclosures for best low noise performance and has test equipment to validate designs. The audio industry I fear is more about tossing an infinite variety of random components together while the human ear is not likely to distinguish a difference in most instances, or to know why a difference exists, or tell if the difference is faithful to the original. 16ga wire handles about 13A, and 12ga about 20A. Not as much power handling with 16ga wire is a difference. Could have spent $38 on 12ga cable rather than randomly guessing. It seems > $10,000 cables are a lower gauge mix of conductors using copper and/or silver so much higher current handling.
@sportsfanivosevic9885
@sportsfanivosevic9885 2 дня назад
@@jefflabute2946 Understand where your comming from, however, do you recall the period when the Japanese focus was on specs and their equipment did'nt connect with listeners. There must be more to it than just measurements because ultimately, the ear and brain is the arbiter. Personally, I believe getting components into synergy with each other and locking into the natural time domain is the path to satisfying results but not the end of the journey.
@tubefreeeasy
@tubefreeeasy 10 дней назад
I’ve seen reviewers like A-Hole-Licks say that, it’s just placebo.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
i wish you were here...
@stevenmichael7770
@stevenmichael7770 10 дней назад
So, if you're worried about apples to apples, a comparison of speaker cables where neither one has a giant box filled with circuitry and knobs would probably be more appropriate. Any circuitry in the path could easily have an effect on the signal I would think. Admittedly, I have no idea what's actually in the box or what it supposed to do, but it sure looks like it would have an effect.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
great point, but my best cables happen to be MIT
@StuartKarlson-qn8pj
@StuartKarlson-qn8pj 9 дней назад
Maybe cut two lengths of the same cheep cable, burn one pair in then use the other one cold n hear the difference. I’d also like to see your room with just 2 speakers and amps.
@robbase-f6x
@robbase-f6x 9 дней назад
the comparison is complete nonsense but from the perspective of entertainment its great
@mrsmokalotapotamus6530
@mrsmokalotapotamus6530 10 дней назад
Just look at any cable denier's system and it's easy to see why cables don't make any difference for them.
@Larwiz
@Larwiz 10 дней назад
And what exactly would one see when they look at a cable denier's system?
@thomprd
@thomprd 10 дней назад
@@LarwizI’m sure most sound pretty bad.
@Larwiz
@Larwiz 10 дней назад
@thomprd I don't think you truly believe that. There's no real rationale to your thought. Why would someone's system likely sound bad because they don't believe in pricey cables?!? Why can't one simply believe in good sources, components, and speakers being the key to a good system, like myself? I've had cable believers over to hear my system, and they have all said that it sounded good. Just my experience. 🤷🏾
@antonyharding5360
@antonyharding5360 10 дней назад
​@Larwiz probably a bit plastic looking mukka ..
@mrsmokalotapotamus6530
@mrsmokalotapotamus6530 10 дней назад
@@Larwiz Cheap equipment usually and not set up correctly.
@markpommett5712
@markpommett5712 9 дней назад
10K+ views. Yeah, we like this content ;)
@mrboat580
@mrboat580 9 дней назад
And this video is example why scientifically controlled trials have to include examples for placebo effect. Trying exotic cables just goes to show someone is unhappy with their speakers, or that they weren't all they were hyped up to be, or are in the wrong space. There will be other signs too, when you see every available band-aid and treatment installed trying to make up for speakers that are too revealing with the variable quality of available mainstream recordings. Amazing how this so-called better sound is otherwise magically asleep in the recordings since the studios don't use fantasy cables. That means that this superior sound was grown out of thin air once the fantasy wire is installed. Simply amazing.
@the_normal
@the_normal 10 дней назад
Speaker cable is physics.Physics always matter,always work.
@JamesJoyce12
@JamesJoyce12 10 дней назад
little like saying the Mona Lisa is about frame construction - and no physics does not always work - hence the whole GR vs. Quantum debate.
@robclinton9249
@robclinton9249 7 дней назад
Described input bias and that boxes job. Try silver mil-spec wire. It ain't the wire. It's what is in-between your ears. By the way humidity in the room will have more effect. Must be same same. Higher humidity - faster sound travel.
@BeefyMon
@BeefyMon 10 дней назад
The overcompensation is strong with this one.
@Inlinefour-m9j
@Inlinefour-m9j 10 дней назад
Imagine if we could just relax and be happy with whatever gear we might have.. Wouldn't that be a beautiful thing? No stress, no chasin' our own tail all the time, spending endless amounts of money, and never being satisfied.. Instead just relaxing, and enjoying the music.. Yes, the MUSIC.. Recharge our batteries.. Not worrying about how everything sounds.. This beautiful hobby, can also become a sickness, and destroy lives.. Believe me, it almost happened to me.
@justinparkman3585
@justinparkman3585 10 дней назад
What a lot don't realise is it's the recording. not the system.
@NRBQLou
@NRBQLou 10 дней назад
OK there's something in the box, you can now remove it or use it with the 27 dollar wire for "apples to apples". Go.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
Sure
@Error2username
@Error2username 10 дней назад
The box came with the highend cabels, the lampcord comes without.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
@@Error2username bingo
@donmassad6650
@donmassad6650 8 дней назад
I like these type if comparisons. However, we know that the 27 dollar cables will work without question. But, for high end systems It is nice to see higher quality cable options that are not 100K. I think this type of comparison should include at least 2 step up options prior to the MIT. The one thing about MIT or Opus is the ability to calibrate specifically to allow amplifiers and speakers to be more sonically matched. I have Opus Magnums calibrated to XLF and Mac MC2KW 1 Amp.s and I can clearly tell the difference from other versions. With that said I am 100% certain that several other options for a fraction of the cost would have worked very well for my set up. Maybe not as refined as the Opus, but nonetheless I would have been pleased. For High End Audio Systems, we are always looking to get the most our of our components, but at some point, you don’t have to spend an insane amount of money to achieve a great result. I would to see the 27$ cables with at least 2 intermediate options to the higher end that is reasonably priced would be a better measure for an Audiophile to consider. While I know 27$ cables would certainly work in my room, I have no desire to use them.
@glenncurry3041
@glenncurry3041 10 дней назад
I think it is less the claim that there is nothing in the box, as that there is. That if there are controls, there is something inside they are adjusting. Being passive, there is nothing it can enhance. Only roll off or blend. Perhaps explaining less harshness because of high end roll off?
@NRBQLou
@NRBQLou 10 дней назад
Hey, if anyone is dumb enough to spend 100k for a wire, they have every right to enjoy the 5% improvement. Might prevent a regret suicide.😊 What about the music? Do we need to spend 100k or do we just need a soul to enjoy it? I think it's the latter, but your mileage may vary.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
Just a soul
@Error2username
@Error2username 10 дней назад
This started with ppl saying there is No difference on lampcord Vs high end cabels. So thats why he made this vid. You dont need to be rude, calling ppl dumb for using money they have.
@xsamitt
@xsamitt 10 дней назад
SUCH RUDENESS IS NOT COOL!
@EricDSalisbury
@EricDSalisbury 9 дней назад
That’s funny! $100k is a lot of money for many of us, it ain’t a lot for some folks though. That’s why it’s the ultra high end.
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 10 дней назад
At work ..this is playing in the background..very very INTERESTING 🤔
@Jacques-wh9me
@Jacques-wh9me 10 дней назад
Very, very interesting. I have never heard this before. Thanks, thanks....👏
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
Thanks for listening
@tarichar8
@tarichar8 10 дней назад
First of all, if you hear a difference, it’s your imagination. There is nothing in that hundred thousand dollar cable. It is just a cable. But if you hear a difference, it’s because it’s acting as a tone control with all those knobs. It is deviating from linearity. But that is only if you hear a difference. If you don’t hear a differences that’s because there’s nothing in the box because a cable is a cable.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
You shall see
@jfritzy4358
@jfritzy4358 10 дней назад
Which plain straight cables do you think are perfectly linear?
@cygnus720s2
@cygnus720s2 10 дней назад
Jay, I agree that you shouldn't use the MIT cables if they have tone controls that will change the sound. You should use the shunyata cables you originally showed. And I am not a cable denier
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
Those are gone
@johanlundqvist8853
@johanlundqvist8853 6 дней назад
what will the $27 cable look like if you braid it with four layers of cable. interesting how it will sound then. so you get a thicker cable. and a bit of shielding effect at the same time. will depend on work but can it be worth it.
@Nico-tb8tw
@Nico-tb8tw 8 дней назад
Yes cables do matter! But compare the 100k cable to a 1k or even 5-10k cable and try to justify the price of the 100k cable. There is no logical reason to compare a 27$ cable to a 100k cable, of course it will sound better. Even an 300$ cable would sound better. 100k for a cable is madness, please compare it to a much higher priced and quality cable, only then it makes sense and is maybe "understandable" why someone would buy such a cable.
@joz411no8
@joz411no8 10 дней назад
Jay, I like the extreme disparity in cost of the cables. It fully illustrates the counter argument of deniers. Whenever someone uses the term, “Cables don’t matter” or this or that doesn’t matter, I hear 2 things: “I wouldn’t spend that much on cables,” or “Based on my components, I won’t hear a difference either way.”
@Larwiz
@Larwiz 10 дней назад
And when I see cable believers comment, it is often some nonsensical version of "your system isn't resolving enough ", which is basically what you said. Smh
@RustyInSeattle
@RustyInSeattle 9 дней назад
I would try some 2 or 4 gauge cables and keep the pair of wires separated from each other to minimize any capacitance. The capacitance from zip cable pairs could probably affect the highs for sure.
@RustyInSeattle
@RustyInSeattle 9 дней назад
The heavy gauge would keep the resistance low. So if your audiophile power amp has terrifically low output impedance that enhances current, the heavy gauge would help preserve that.
@RustyInSeattle
@RustyInSeattle 9 дней назад
Plus if you have a couple of mono blocks, you could place them behind the speakers to keep the cable runs short. Using balanced XLR connections going from the preamp to the power amp helps minimize losses as well.
@angelosouliotis7753
@angelosouliotis7753 10 дней назад
This has turned into a complete apples to oranges comparison. Your cables are going through a tone control eq vs bare wire. Of course your going to hear a different top end. This is not apples to apples. There are caps and filters in your network box between your expensive cables.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 9 дней назад
And some say the box is snake oil. Talk to them - not me 😂
@angelosouliotis7753
@angelosouliotis7753 9 дней назад
​@jaysaudiolab no the box works as intended. You paid 100k for that box. People complaining are saying cable vs cable don't matter not cable vs cable going through a 100k equalizer lol
@kkrobertson1
@kkrobertson1 9 дней назад
I always burn-in any component added to my system, before deciding; if it made an improvement to it, that I like. That basic audiophile 101! Some of the same people commenting about the price of these cable are some of the same people who will spend their life saving on season tickets to a football game so they can sit in the cold. Instead of watching the game for free in the comfort of their own home! I believe the word I am looking for is hypocrisy.
@navybean1560
@navybean1560 9 дней назад
I agree that you should be comparing the hardware store cables to non-network cables. The network will obviously change the sound.
@user-el6cq3ce8u
@user-el6cq3ce8u 10 дней назад
You are the best audio channel of all time
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 9 дней назад
Thanks man
@SupplierPo
@SupplierPo 10 дней назад
What you was hearing was your own snobbery . Is that bad ? No. How can a 100 k cable be bought without that in mind . Would I buy a 100 K cable ? Yes please ! Especially on my yacht . Would I buy it if I had that shitty little room you have ? Nothing personal . Absolutely not .
@Error2username
@Error2username 10 дней назад
😂Angry Ferrets can write now😂
@drapur1
@drapur1 10 дней назад
A boring day at sea
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
@@drapur1havahahah true !!
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
@@Error2usernameyes 😂
@marclajeunesse3890
@marclajeunesse3890 9 дней назад
Come on Jay be fair , you asked for opinions .My opinion is what your room does is very similar to drinking champagne out of a shot glass . It's not mean but come on bro get a space that will compliment the gear .
@danielwander605
@danielwander605 10 дней назад
I did post that I thought there could be an issue with that MIT cable network thing but I definitely didn't say anything about that box being empty. I read a short description on their website and while I didnt give it much thought it sounded like they were doing something extra within the signal path. I took that at face value. So, just seemed like an obvious issue if you're trying to do a true A/B listening test. Everything would have to be the same but the cable. Now, I don't think any of this that big of a deal but people do get worked up about this stuff. Even if you did a legit A/B test and had trouble making a decision then it's just inconclusive. It doesnt end the debate or anything. I just think its a fun experiment, and the few times Ive seen this done before it's always a mess. No one can tell anything. It's fun to do though, and fun to watch.
@ryanschipp8513
@ryanschipp8513 9 дней назад
Lmao!!!!!!!!!! So what happens?! The cables physically change as a signal gors through? Thats fantasy talk! It's as silly as me having a painting on my wall and saying the longer that I stare at it it will change. Absolutely misleading people with zero technical support
@craigenputtock
@craigenputtock 9 дней назад
How about trying 10ga ofc wire at $60? Maybe the differences would be still less.
@EskWIRED
@EskWIRED 10 дней назад
I would prefer to see the cheap cables compared with something which might be purchased by someone currently owning cheap cables. Maybe $250 cables? Maybe 500.00 if you want to push it?
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
the issue is my channel is dedicated to the ultra high end..
@EskWIRED
@EskWIRED 10 дней назад
@@jaysaudiolab Fair enough. I can see that my suggestion would be off topic for your channel.
@totalplonker824
@totalplonker824 10 дней назад
Personally, I would have thought one should be able to tell a difference even without any music being played. Yeah, sure, for at least 10 minutes, a current would have to flow through the cable, but if one was to, then press pause (or mute) Someone who's familiar with the sound of their set-up should notice how the noise floor has slightly risen.
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 10 дней назад
This is going to come down to the fact that your system is so So transparent and revealing on a wholly different level that ANY change will be easily apparent..that being said good or bad results will not be hidden. As for results ..I think those who follow this experiment will have a predetermined conclusion…was there (in your system) a $99970 difference between cables ….its crass to think of the money ..but everyone including you are looking for a unicorn 🦄..or a surprise. Have a great rest of the week 👍
@rangerrecon
@rangerrecon 10 дней назад
This is definitely the ideal system for this kind of testing.
@thepracticalaudiophile
@thepracticalaudiophile 10 дней назад
I've felt that other reviewers have said several weeks tell the story as some listening fatigue may set differently on different components (cables included) that quick a/b testing won't reveal. In my opinion, the speakers, rooms, and tubes make the biggest differences.
@TheChrisleekay
@TheChrisleekay 10 дней назад
Good on Jay for this video!! Most people in the industry praise high end cables because its in their interest to do so! BUT its not fair to compare a £30 cable to a $100,000 cable! That's just not playing the game!! Get some $1000.00 cables(or even $500.00) and compare then to the $100,000 dollars cables. That's still a hundred times cheaper and I think you'll find zero difference!! IMO!!
@TheChrisleekay
@TheChrisleekay 10 дней назад
I think cables DO make a difference BTW!!
@Larwiz
@Larwiz 10 дней назад
@TheChrisleekay No, I think he did right. If Jay approaches this with integrity, I think he will find that his two listeners will find little to no difference in either cable, so long as they do NOT know which cable is which. But none of this can verify this, so we have to take Jay at his word. I am NOT a cable believer, and would challenge Jay to have ME or any bonafide cable non-believer (Gene from Audioholics for example) to be involved with such a blind test to ENSURE that the participants were not prompted in any way. No offense to Jay, but how can we truly know that he won't prompt them in some way? We don't.
@YuengsNwings
@YuengsNwings 10 дней назад
Why isn't it fair to compare $30 cable vs. $100k, as if price has anything to do with how something sounds? Once you know how something sounds then you can determine if it's worth the price, not the other way around.
@TheChrisleekay
@TheChrisleekay 10 дней назад
@@YuengsNwings But that doesn't make sense! If I can buy some $500 cables that sound as good as the $100,000 cables then most people are going to go with the $500 dollars cables. Maybe send that $99,500 saving on a nice new Mercedes!!?
@jamesmachado8874
@jamesmachado8874 10 дней назад
I bought a $27 ish cable on aliexpress. I couldn't have diy the cable for that price. It's even directional😮 . Sounds ok. Not as good as my Kimber but there is a huge price difference. The most important question for any audiophile is, are you having fun? I got way more than $27 of fun so, cool!
@a.s.2426
@a.s.2426 10 дней назад
Is that really the question, though? For most of us, it is (or at least it’s supposed to be) about sound.
@williemccraw2073
@williemccraw2073 10 дней назад
Speaker cables are very important. The quality of the cable will determine the quality of sound. My subwoofer cables must be at least 10 gauge ofc or bigger to handle the power from my amplifier. You can run a smaller cable but you risk damaging the amp or subwoofer. I don’t know much about high end cables. This is my first time hearing about cables that cost more than my house. I am sure those cables have the best quality metals for audio. The best shielding and can carry a signal with no issues. I don’t know about the box they run through. I do know that all cables are not equal
@Oneness100
@Oneness100 10 дней назад
Those are not "tone controls". They are networks so that each frequency can store and release where they articulate at the optimal level. It's not snake oil, unless you're someone that simply doesn't understand the design of the network and why it's used. It's used to fix the problems of a non-networked cable. The MIT top end model is just taking the design to the maximum level and the reason why they sell it is because there are people that want that kind of cable and they have the money to spend. Do people need those $100K+ cable? NOPE. Even the engineer that designed them thinks they are overkill. The reason why he designed them is to simply take his initial design concept to the maximum level as a cost no object concept to see if there is a difference and if so, is it something worth putting on the market.
@robertjermantowicz-uw3iw
@robertjermantowicz-uw3iw 10 дней назад
If as is claimed that wire sounds different where are the measurements?
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
Measurements 😂 here we go
@DabblelyDiddly
@DabblelyDiddly 10 дней назад
i have to agree with something you said in the last video, and thats when you have a system of THAT caliber you will notice these things. however, not many people can have the luxury of a 1500W amplifier, at most many will be lucky to own a system capable of 500wpc, the higher the power consumption the higher the gauge needed to carry the power optimally and control the drivers to the fullest extent the amplifier can
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
The naysayers dont have systems of high caliber so they feel their experience is the same for others
@mikeutube7888
@mikeutube7888 8 дней назад
The MIT isn’t a cable. It’s an equalizer unit with copper wire on both ends.
@austinlibby7025
@austinlibby7025 9 дней назад
Hey guys, I’m gonna be honest with you. All these reviewers paid are not paid. They decide to get the equipment so you understand there’s a minimum hundred percent markup for the retailer if the product sells for $5000 he pays 2500 and sells it to you for $5000, that’s how they’re able to do it they buy it cost. They’re not paying $50,000. They’re not paying $5000 or paying $2500. You me pay the difference in their profit. Some of these guys are extremely wealthy so you’re spending your money and what value I don’t approve I don’t disapprove Macintosh, but an example it holds its valueout there high or not knows McIntosh Conrad we guys know who they are and has value but not as much value as McIntosh more people want Mac not knowing anything but McIntosh remember this guy is extremely profitable for the dealer just like a jeweler that sells jewelry or a mattress guy that sells mattresses all very extremely profitable businesses in retail good luck guys don’t take it too serious. This is just a hobby.
@mpp9964
@mpp9964 10 дней назад
100% it was the right thing to do to bin the lamp cord. That’s too extreme when you can buy audio specific cables for a tiny bit more. I’d like to see $200 cables versus price no object. But interested to see the $30 cables to start. I have old cheap MIT cables with a box and I’ve seen inside it’s a bunch of glue and some coiled device that I think smooths out the harmonics. I am guessing the 100k box is more of the same. Do a video of what’s inside the box!
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
No man. I don’t want to break Anything. It’s too expensive
@USEC3
@USEC3 10 дней назад
@@jaysaudiolab It's 30 dollar in material with a 100k pricetag
@mpp9964
@mpp9964 10 дней назад
@@jaysaudiolab hey I get that. Someone has to do it though! It’s like that movie Seven… what’s in the box!!!
@DaveJ6515
@DaveJ6515 10 дней назад
@@USEC3 I see you know everything about this subject. Build them yourself and become rich by selling audio cables with an outrageous profit! I am afraid you are going to find it hard to make them sound good, but who knows ...
@052RC
@052RC 10 дней назад
@@USEC3 List the parts. I'd like to see for myself.
@ADE-RCB
@ADE-RCB 10 дней назад
The Neotech nes-3004 mkII cost about 80$ per meter, 11 awg. Would be a great contender I think and still very affordable.
@philippusviridi6527
@philippusviridi6527 10 дней назад
If you have the money and are happy more power to you. But lets be honest here you are buying a 100 thousand dollar equalizer because the cables are not good on their own.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
Ok 😮
@BeefyMon
@BeefyMon 10 дней назад
Don’t be giving scam artists a free pass!
@philippusviridi6527
@philippusviridi6527 10 дней назад
@@BeefyMon And who in the hell are you the so-called scam police!
@BeefyMon
@BeefyMon 10 дней назад
@@philippusviridi6527 yes I am, at your service!
@rolandd5397
@rolandd5397 10 дней назад
To be fair maybe $100 dollars cable can compete?
@johnwicks6187
@johnwicks6187 9 дней назад
😊Hi Jays Pls Skin off yr $27 lamp cord cable & turn it into ZenSati AirTube FEP Cable & vs $100,000 mit cable. Surely Skinoff $27 convert to Zensati cable will outbeat $100,000 mit Cable😊
@louv4437
@louv4437 10 дней назад
Jay, naysayers always have an excuse there is nothing you can do to please them bud. Maybe just use your cable line instead, they will still be much better.
@hurkamur1
@hurkamur1 10 дней назад
Nobody ever said that cables don't have different properties, just that they are more often than not inaudible. Just look at cable spec measurements and choose. There is no magic cable.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
Hahaha 😂😂
@louv4437
@louv4437 10 дней назад
@@hurkamur1 actually yes many have
@USEC3
@USEC3 10 дней назад
@@louv4437 ask an electronical engineer not a snakeoil salesman.. thers no differences between a 100k cable and a thick enough copper cable
@Error2username
@Error2username 10 дней назад
​@@louv4437thats why he need to go back to lampcord Vs high end, and after that he can go with a better budget one. The real talk right here deniers, most of them i know dont Even have a good setup, usualy untouch old stuff, dont Even service vintage pieces. And somehow its this kind of ppl who complaining about everything New.
@danielesbordone1871
@danielesbordone1871 10 дней назад
I'm using a single Viablu SC-6 cable , for each tri-amped speaker , which has 2 pure copper wires for the woofers , 2 tin-plated copper wires for the midrange and 2 silver-plated copper for the tweeters. I'm using 2 meters per speaker , cost is 99 euro/meter (approx. $110/meter). That's even going overboard , I would only spend thousands on components , not cables.
@dubsydubs5234
@dubsydubs5234 10 дней назад
Surely it can be shown scientifically the difference between cables, if you can hear a difference that must relate to a different electrical signal. An oscilloscope will surely show it, and, you can buy an oscilloscope really cheap, peanuts compared to 100k cables. BTW the $27 cables not only weren't terminated but they weren't even fully connected, how about using welding cables, size matters, at the very least the cable has to be 2x thicker than the speakers power requirements and what about coax cables and twisted pair, all these things are for specific jobs so it must matter and be noticeable.
@jfritzy4358
@jfritzy4358 10 дней назад
Do you know how to use an oscilloscope? A pair of eyes interpret what is displayed on an O-scope. Rudimentary at best, would only clearly reveal large differences easily audible. Those that claim measurements would prove/disprove difference do not know what to measure or how to measure it. Requires far beyond an O-scope or anything internet wanna be experts possess.
@jaakanshorter
@jaakanshorter 10 дней назад
Is music enjoyable / livable at all with the cheaper cables for you? Ie stepping down to a lower value cable.
@MrBoomtheroom
@MrBoomtheroom 9 дней назад
it matters because the cable box probably inhibits the sound there for on a system with high distortion, may tame it. cables can only inhibit sound or let sound through.. they cant improve the source. U still wont use a revealing low cost low sinad amp to prove your high end high distortion amps are a waste of money and just look good!
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 9 дней назад
Thanks 🙏
@timschutte3961
@timschutte3961 10 дней назад
I also have that cheaper cable and for my system it is fine but for a high end system you will buy better stuff. And a good sacd file will sound amazing no matter how hard i put it.
@GAUDIOPHILE
@GAUDIOPHILE 10 дней назад
I always use the IsoTek - Full System Enhancer (Burn-in) CD to burn in cables for 24 hours with the volume low to kick things off, then music.
@druboudreaux3673
@druboudreaux3673 10 дней назад
Jay, I can’t hear what you hear. I don’t own what you own. I don’t have expensive cables, and I also won’t use lamp cord. Either way, I’m enjoying the content. Keep up the good work.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
Thanks 🙏 😊
@sidesup8286
@sidesup8286 10 дней назад
I got 30 out of 30 correct in Blind Testing with a blindfold on, between a $400 speaker cable versus a near $5,000 speaker cable. Ironically the near $5,000 speaker cable was a former top of the line MIT cable, and it had those boxes, just like the MIT cables in your experiment. It was the MIT MH 770 Ultralinear II speaker cable.The boxes are NOT empty or snake oil. They weighed about the same as an unopened 2 titer bottle of cola; for you snake oil barkers out there. We used an integrated amp with 2 speaker outputs; speakers A & B. That way my assistants only had to switch cables at the one end; the loudspeaker end. And that made it even more scientific, as we wouldn't have to turn off the power amp for several minutes when switching cables. As soon as an amp is turned off; it's capacitors, resistors, transformer starts cooling down a bit, and even in a few mintes the sound is slightly different. Which would have been a variable. Also I warmed up the equipment by playing music, a full 2 hours beforehand. Keeping it turned on for 2 hours and not playing music, is not the same as actually playing music through it for 2 hours; believe me on that. When you turn on your equipment from cold, the sound on the first recording you play won't be nearly as open or as sweet as if you went back and played that same recording with a few cds or whatever, played in between. From the first recording on, your sound very gradually gets cleaner and smoother sounding, and the spaces between the instruments become much more pronounced. During that time your equipments electronic signature goes noticeably down and the bass fullness and definition go noticeably up. Since this is very gradual, many people do not notice this. Even after 2 hours of play, your system is NOT FULLY warmed up, but the changes at that point are much much less, than how much the sound of your system changes in the first two hours of play. This was ironically demonstrated to me one time when I was listening to Christmas music, one cold December night. My cd player was on repeat. The first track of the various artists compilation cd was White Christmas by Bing Crosby. The sound quality was as dated as it's age; around 75 years old at the time. It sounded raw and anything but smooth, and you couldn't clearly hear all the instrumentation and singers in the background. Not a recording you'd listen to for sound quality. I must have been tired that night, with the speakers at a bit above average volume on either side of the glowing Christmas tree; I still fell asleep. A few hour later, when I woke up, the same cd on repeat, was playing the same track White Christmas again. My Gosh! The sound quality did not sound primitive at all anymore; if less than audiophile quality. His voice was smooth, you could hear every intonation of the background singers in the background, and more singers than it sounded like before, every delicate fingering of the harp in places you never heard it before. And you could hear. something else! ..Not little tiny reindeer, but tiny ticks and pops.... galore. What do you know.The cd track was from a recorded 78; not a master tape. All these things were revealed because as I slept, the system was warming up and improving little by little as I snoozed, and it added up big time. My systems warm up had come full circle and Bing Crosby was now crooning smoothly and cleanly right ABOVE the lighted star at the top of my 7 foot glistening Christmas tree.
@connorduke4619
@connorduke4619 10 дней назад
Are you kindly able to summarise your point in one sentence?
@nasdkhan254
@nasdkhan254 10 дней назад
In other words, my system sounds better after a few hours 😂😂😂😂
@sidesup8286
@sidesup8286 10 дней назад
IIt wasn't a point, it was a true story. Sorry you and your friend can't distinguish even that.
@YuengsNwings
@YuengsNwings 10 дней назад
@@sidesup8286 It was a ridiculous story. Glad you heard what you wanted to.
@sidesup8286
@sidesup8286 10 дней назад
Thank you!...Really. Ridiculous to you because you likely have a crappy system, and definitely have a closed mind, & can't hear. Does it make you feel smart to think all these smart doctors, investors, lawyers and professionals from other fields are "imagining"? Imagine if you could be what they are.
@saurabh190285
@saurabh190285 10 дней назад
It would be interesting experiment to attach the $27 cable to the box which MIT provides and then compare it to the original MIT cable with box.
@Error2username
@Error2username 10 дней назад
That box comes with the high end cabels, lampcord/cheap speakercable comes without.
@patrickmeylemans9627
@patrickmeylemans9627 10 дней назад
Why will one convince a nay sayer, what do you win… I tested (blind) different cables and did not hear a difference, but I don’t have golden ears. Cable break in, no prof on any university can prove that with formules that work for ages….
@DaveJ6515
@DaveJ6515 10 дней назад
@@patrickmeylemans9627 Cables need break in. Speakers and other components need break in. It's a fact. You are free not to believe it. It remains a fact. It took me 500 hours to break in my Ansuz C3 speaker cables and Borresen 03 speakers. It's a fact. And it's also a fact that after I power everything on, it takes 40-50 minutes to sound really good, and if the DA converter external clock was not in standby mode, it will take a couple hours to open up and produce a huge sound stage. It's a fact.
@ADE-RCB
@ADE-RCB 10 дней назад
I know first hand that brand new cables sound harsh and needs to be “warmed” up for the lack of a better word, to settle and sound as they should. And I heard that cables can get worn out over time. Now that I’m not sure about and it’s probably very hard to notice because it’s such a slow deterioration.
@christinezuazua2218
@christinezuazua2218 10 дней назад
Im loving this series of videos. Looking forward to the next instalment. Maybe you could do the same type of shootout with interconnects? 🔊🙏🏻
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 10 дней назад
That's a great idea!
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