$485 Models from the Cold War. 

Science Dave must be fully credited to Red Letter Media's scientist man. As it's just a copy paste of their joke. Which is perfectly apt and in the spirit of being a Talentless Hack. Next on TTT, we're going to repair some VCRs

Since no one seems to have mentioned it yet, they were referring to the AUS$ boxset prices (AUS$485), rather than USD prices (US$290). The UK price is £175.

I did not expect a Tabletop Time / Redletter Media crossover today.

"These Tomb Kings sculpts are ancient." Yes, just as Settra (Great King, the Imperishable, Khemrikhara, etc, etc. _ad infinitum_ ) intended.

I honestly dont mind the old Tomb Kings stuff but could just be the nostalgia talking, the prices i agree are crazy though

Murray: "I've been a fan of skeletons for years... I even have one inside my skin" (I might have paraphrased a little)

I'm not going to comment of the boxset itself, but wow, Jen's painting has improved amazingly! I remember some of Jen's first painting videos where her models were sadly out of place next to some of Dave's work which was featured in the same video. I assumed Dave has years more experience of painting his man-dollies? I think it fair to say that Jen is rapidly closing that skill gap, to the point that my wife has started to show an interest in painting some minis. You Go Jen!

A nice and balanced commentary on the old skellies being such a big part of the box, plus some wonderful painting. Thank you!

Something I like about this channel is the different approach you all take to the hobby. It’s always different every vid

Glad to know I'm older than at least some of these old sculpts.

“The skeleton kits were a bit bare bones” Yes…that’s the idea 😂

f'ing love Science Dave!!! i have tears in my eyes laughing lol

You forgot the new scarab swarms that the tomb kings got

Okay, here's why I'm personally excited about old kits and apprehensive about modern fiddling. Monoposing. I'm a kitbasher, and those classic kits have always been fucken great at switching bits out. This is especially dire now, with GW seemingly spitefully dismissing kitbashing in all modern advertising materials and making several moves to crack down on it in official play. Don't get me wrong, there are some beautiful monopose models, but I don't want them, I want the models I wanna make not the ones GW tells me to make!

The problem with OBR is you think you're getting skeletons but then you get something which plainly isn't skeletons. They're better thought of as Wayne Barlowe style hell-soldiers with bone exo-skeletons.

This channel has been a big inspiration, I recently got my first few kits and building and painting them has been a blast.

The old GW method: If at first you don't succeed, try again with higher prices

The older Tomb King skelies are very easy to convert, with minimum hassle. That's what allows me to run skeletal centaurs for my cavalry.

The simple way to build the old models is really nice when you need to build allot, they are usually also better for conversions, like making a new champion then(for two smaller units) would be a case of putting spare champion parts on a random body, with modern kits you will likely need to cute another model up to get the spare champion parts to fit. If i only ever needed one kits worth of models I'd be fine with the new style but even in 40k you need to much and it becomes a pain. It would be nice to see at least for the old world, some new kits that look better but are still simple and can have more stuff on the sprues.

Waw that bone dragon was awesome! Nice work Jen!

What could possibly be from 1993 other than bases? The skeleton horse sprue? Tomb kings weren’t even a thing until ten years after that.

the skeletons where made for vampire counts first

Luv this channel. Thank you

really nice to see you doing tomb kings. very inspiring.

The crazy old sculpts being sold at modern prices is the reason I will not be getting into old world... I was so hyped to go back and get Bretonnians and Tomb kings, the 2 factions I regret getting rid of/not buying when old world died... but the usual GW ridiculous prices turned me off completely. I spent 100$ on battletech instead and now I have a full army & 2 digital rulebooks... The contrast in price to entry is stark.

Really love the Pirate Skeletons. Have you any videos on just those alone?

The dragon is phenomenal looks absolutely awesome with Jrns paint scheme!!!

I have a few of those old skeletons around here somewhere. Not the horses, though. The dragon turned out great!

The warband was the scepultral guard it's the greatest skeletons kit i now to this day. All are very cool and such narrative. Like the one half burried still. Love em'

Looks like the new model follows the trend of fragile TK models with tiny surface area on joints, big but so breakable... you'd think they'd learn by now to design multiple contact points and using detail additions to thicken and stabilise joints (still awesome paint job Gen!).

9:40 I'm actually shocked by how many nice skeleton minis GW has made. I've never paid that much attention to them, but - yeah, they're characterful without distorting the skeleton to the point of looking like a totally inhuman horror or a goofy cartoon. That's good to know; I sometimes buy wargaming minis to use as playing pieces for other games, and - those skeleton models are nice _and_ still neutral enough to function outside of their intended niche.

The skellies in the khemri box a biger than the ones in the old skellie army box

Science with Dave 👌🤣 Jen the model looked awesome 🙌

I am really glad you have made these videos, though i see the same consensus from most Warhammer painters its nice to hear it from you guys too! Old world have so much potential, but selling old models to new prices are not okay, at least update some of the models for us to enjoy the nostalgic feeling in 2024. I love the big dragon and the paint job, i am looking forward to seeing how the bretonians are going to turn out too! (i really want the bretonians, but my store only got 3 boxes..)

The green magic was a very nice touch, need to break up the monotone color from such a large model to help it stick out again amongst the khaki brown masses

Old cold war models coming back just in time for the new one

the 1989 plastic skeletons was more well proportioned. There was only a single horse sculpt in the 1989 release, the later ones have slightly bigger bones and just look a little bit off compared to the original

Like Murray said about the sand- It’s magic! Once you mentioned it was sand, my immediate thought was that as he casts the spell, he doesn’t create sand, he uses already existing sand, so maybe his magic is green, and that over powers the colour of the sand- :)

Why not do a video in which you kitbash different alternative skeleton models (including non-GW ones) with the Tomb Kings weapons/shields sprue?

The bone doctor bit actually killed me lmao 💀

A quick headswap from the citadel skull box and they look pretty dec3bt acrually

as someone who has, from time to time, looked at getting models from that era on ebay, I view the GW prices as "very expensive but still effectively a discount on what they were a few months ago" (iirc the necrosphinx was going for like, $200+ NoS, so that's a big saving even with gw's current gouge. Also, to me, the old tomb kings are charming and goofy (and most importantly, highly posable and convertable) vs the new dragon, which is a nice enough model but doesn't feel Old World, it feels much more Age Of Sigmar.

I also would have liked GW to go out of their way and redo all of the basic infantry that need to be redone and have done for decades but I also wanted the game to come out within 15 years of it's announcement.

Hey they also made tomb swarms! Just kidding, what GW did to TK is a sin. Im just planning on buying Wargames atlantic skellie horsemen and chariots. I did the math, 5 boxes is 70$ cheaper than ghe TK box and has more skellies in it.

i like the old skeleton models. i like how they're just skeletons. not everything needs to be over-designed.

Excellent paint job! I didn't buy the Tomb Kings box as I have skellies going back to the originals. I have the Skeleton Horde box (first GW skellie sprues), the Skeleton regiment box (same sprues in TK starter box), and I picked up some Tomb King sprues of weapons and shields for cheap. Besides those I picked up some used models and some proxies to finish out the army. I'm using a GW Zombie dragon / Terrorgheist as a proxy for the TK dragon from the FEC Start Collecting box. I might pick up some Ushabti and a Necrospyhinx or two and that's about it. I have a few boxes of the new and newer skellies and while they look better than the older minis, they are a lot more fragile and I've has a few fall apart while playing my AoS SBGL army. I hate the look of the new SBGL zombies but luckily I have 3 boxes of the old zombie regiments and I use my FEC ghouls as zombie proxies as well.

MESBG players: "First time?"

$500 is a lot!

Those skeletons are as old as i am and that is depressing.

Yes, show us Bretonnia Knights!!!

This was a fun history and painting video! While I completely agree that the older kits need an update, I feel that they should maintain the simple assembly of the older kits, at least for the core troop units. Putting 40 skeletons together is daunting enough without having to match 18 pieces per troop, all spread out willy-nilly around the frame. Honestly something akin to the current Necron warrior frame is probably ideal (though the latter has the issues of having to match guns to bodies, and some wonky chest piece assembly from the guns, but TKs don't have blasters so that issue is solved right there) If I ever get the bone dragon kit I'll probably hybridize your green vulture with the sand look. I'm thinking the core is glowing green, to sell the idea that it's manifesting and bursting from the sand.

I bought the Bretonians because even the old sculpts are passable and it was a better supported faction at launch. I will 3D print the Tombkings.

I think the Bretonia box sold out because many fans of fantasy fantasized at one point or another about being a knight and riding a flying horse. Being a skeleton or mummy…? (I mean yes, there will be a handful…but overall speaking…)

GW literally flogging a dead horse

thing is. this isnt a modern price. This isnt a high pricetag. 180 is way under inflation

Science Dave is great, very funny.

$500 Australian?! damn that's nuts!

Yay Jenn and Murray vid woohoo

Where is the pirate skeleton in the thumbnail from?

To me as someone who is getting into old world it honestly seems like old world is something GW is throwing out there seeing if people like it and if it does as well as horus heresy then we will get more models but i do think the lack of new models tomb kings is shooting the game in the foot on release honestly i feel like the most important thing to update or make new would of been the tomb king skeletons over a new tomb king since you will have so many skeletons hordes. I hope with these hiccups the game will succeed and Old world will stick around.

The local store has all the sets for the old world, even with the discount, they knew how awful the prices were.

Is it bad that this was weirdly good marketing for horses? 😂

Y'k. Most manufacturers at least have the sense to sell it for less, not more, even counting for inflation, when they use tooling decades old. Airfix barely mark up their "vintage"collection, by comparison; even Revell sell most of the surviving Matchbox kits with at least a crappy brush and some crappy paints as a "set". If I want obsolete skeleton models, I can always go to Eureka. Their horses are more difficult to assemble, but they are more realistic.

It was the distinct lack of new minis in the boxes that stopped me buying into this game.

"...bare bones skeletons..." Good one! 👍

Those skeletons do sit, unpainted in my basement for now!!

Was that science man from RLM?

I'm disappointed by the return of the ancient skellies, mostly because I was disappointed by them when they were first released due: a quarter are forced to have pot lid belly armor, there is not enough Tomb King heads for all of them and unless you use spears you'll have a mish-mash of different weapons for what was essentially Nehekaran state troops. My current disappointment with them is the ridiculous price for 20+ year old models... Regardless, great video and lovely paintjob. I have my reservations about the bone dragon aesthetically for the Tomb Kings, but it is a cool model.

I don’t mind the older models. Yes they look like old models and they could’ve added new ones but I don’t think they’d up the cost that much than they otherwise would’ve. I can see why the tomb kings cost about 300 dollars while the Bretonnians were cheaper since you got more models and a bigger model for the tomb kings. I admit I’d rather they give us two 500pt armies than this. With that in mind I really shouldn’t try be fine with an inferior product. Still at least Old World sold well on launch day.

This was an excellent video!! Please do more of this!! ❤❤ @tabletoptime

Love the Scientist Man reference! Wholly agree with how badly the sculpts have aged

Im finally done with my termagants from 2000, im pretty sure I paid over the odds for a 24 yr old unit

So I had this argument with a collegue when the boxes were unveiled. I said, if I were a TK player and saved my army for 20yrs, I'd want the new release to mesh with my old models. Othervise I might aswell buy a whole new army.

They're still beating that same dead horse

I feel like GW really hit it with the 8th ed sculpts (even the TK refresh) they look good, are endlessly convertible and are just detailed enough to look good without making painting an actual army insurmountable.

get that 3D printer going. so many good stls

I love Scientist M- I mean Science Dave!

"I've been a fan of skeletons for years" that's very cool I'm personally fond of muscles Holy shit, I wasn't expecting to see Mike from RedLetterMedia in this video! Very cool!

Holy shit I knew the skeleton horses were OLD, but I thought they were 30 years old, not 35.. They are as old as I am xD

Australian prices are silly...

In what warp dimension is the Tomb Kings box $500?!

So your saying Bretonnia get all the new stuff and the tomb King's "Get boned", lol.

Honestly love the green sand. Throwing beige sand from a beige skeleton riding on a beige skeleton standing on beige sand is such a boring palette. I know in Sigmar the magic grave sand is purple - not sure if that was true in the Old World as well but the greens a really nice contrasting pop.

Damn... Dave has been in my basement...

The worst part about the Tomb Kings is the old models don't even fit with the new ones

Yeah the reuse of such old models alienated me. Well at least I can stick to my beastman army since those model never changed and now can be used in AoS and Old World

Yeh I was tentatively looking forward to old world but I've just been reminded why I don't buy much from them. I may get the rules though.

It's only 435 in Australia which is still unaffordable

The Old World is not a full game line release, like the recent Horus Heresy V2 was. It was an experiment to see if GW could bring back a loved game using mostly existing ranges of models from their Archives. I get that you don't like the old Skeletons. I feel that your normally wonderful TTT video, was wasted harping on how much you don't like the old skeleton models for over half the time of the video. We get it. If TOW proves through its releases for the 9 supported armies that it can be profitable and will be played, I am sure GW will go back and invest the money to bring some of the older models... like the skeletons... up to date with the current technologies available to GW and expand the game with new armies like the rumored Kislev and Cathy, and updated version of the Legacy armies not supported with releases form the Old WHFB days. Perhaps if you had focused on what was good about the existing TK box, namely the TK upgrade sprue and some of the other Character models in the box, instead of harping on old skeletons, you could have better promoted the return of The Old World with this video.

Chasing down the goofy (and super easy to paint contrast) models is the fun of old world I'd be happy with no new models

I was born in ‘00, but honestly, I prefer the older style of the skaven clanrats, among a few other GW minis. Idk, just coming from someone with a design degree, so many modern GW minis are overdesigned and clearly meant to be viewed through a digital sculpting program and not as an actual mini. Should they cost nearly $300 usd though? No, but that’s GW prices nowadays.

I love Oldhammer and will always have a soft spot for for those squart little skelemen, but Jen hits the nail on the head in the comparison; it’s not even that they look _bad_ - they’re goofy and charming in all the ways that drew me to Warhammer - but put them next to thirty-forty years of house art style evolution and advancements in casting techniques and they simply do not fit.

I just want better hexwraiths please! 🙏

This is why 3D printing is taking over they had what over 3 years to make new stuff and still ship models that old

You know who has great skeletons? OnePageRules 🤣

Is it $500 Australian? Cause it's $290 usd

Seriously if you want skeletons go and show wargames atlantic some love. They'll ship out an army of modern skeletons for about 2 thirds the price. They are classical Greek, so more like the the Ptollomic Egypt than ancient Egypt. You could even model one of your commanders after Cleopatra.

Yeah...considering they've paid several times over for the initial investment they could have cut the price.

Having bought and built the Tomb King box (finishing the base rims today), I have to say I love my little midnight skeletons. I know they are old, but I don't mind them, especially after building those new skeletons. Now, do I want an update Tomb King model line? YES! But, I think a lot of people are over looking something: GW wants to make money. Ignoring the high price tag, I'm not surprised GW didn't update the sculpts. Even during the height of Fantasy, they didn't update model lines which ultimately killed the game. What I'm getting at is it costs a lot of money and time to update a model line, and as Old World is basically a new IP that might sink, I don't think it was reasonable to expect a line update when their flag ship 40K still has Eldar models from 20+ years ago. The hope of course is, if Old World does good, then we might start seeing proper line updates, but I would not expect this for at least two or three years at the earliest.

I believe the reason I enjoy the set is...Ive been playing Warhammer games since the 80s. Jason and the Argonauts is one of my favorite movies. The skeleton fight scene implanted deep in my mind. Also, it always gave me Army of Darkness vibes. I also have over 800 GW goofy zombies. Now, I wouldn't say they are obviously the best models. Technically or otherwise. But it's similar to why I like, at least the first, Ghoulies movie. I dig goofiness. I didn't like their newer models (AoS) as they lacked charm. Sure more detail and such but... Think of it this way. When people fawned over Star Wars I was more a Judge Dredd kinda dood. Lastly and most importantly. As "bad" as the pricing is here it is leagues better than what folks paid for Tomb Kings before. I was lucky due to being in the game longer but when Id see how much second hand armies would go for on most trading sites? I know. Bonkers that GW pricing looks reasonable in comparison, but it's true.