$500 Bougie Kitchen Composters Are NOT Sustainable!! 3 Options For Apartments/Homes That Are 

Oh goodness, I didn’t realize he’d mentioned me! Thank you!!

Same here

Me too.

Same here, just paused thunderf00t's video to add my support to your video. If the sender of the legal threat was genuine, that's absolutely disgusting behaviour from Lomi/Pela.

Yeah, I came from Thunder as well. Do not bow down to these Lomi thugs.

for we are many ^^

we all need to sub here

Bruh no need to call it thundertoes lol

thundertoes, thats disgusting

@@RandomGuy-nm6bm enjoy

"Capitalist consumer culture" is not bad. I was born under socialism. Why do you think people are fleeing from it to capitalist countries? The problem is that the West is driven by capitalism anymore. California is almost Bolshevism, with central planning, big government, etc. Now corporations are replacing countries, they're just a little more effective. But this is not the fault of capitalism, but the lack of it.

@@ChristopherSumera eh, it's very much possible to be capitalist AND reject consumer culture ie garbage like this

Seriously. It seems that most of North America is under this spell of just throwing money at whatever seems convenient but forget the convenience of not needing to own a car, or to clear a pool, or to mow a lawn...

I actually was going to have the same comment for having a dishwasher. It's amazing for people who have arthritis or tremors, though unfortunately many who could actually benefit from one don't have the funds for one or a residence with one. I think the Lomi "could" fit a scenario for a disabled person, anyone with physical/cognitive limitations or if they live in an urban place like NYC (where I am from) where worm bins can be an ongoing battle because pests are a plenty. But I agree that it's a lot and its not something everyone should go for. I also hate their recurring need of purchase of pods and filters. I think the Lomi can* be a part of a larger strategy if used carefully for the right people in helping move towards a more sustainable world. Because the problem I see right now with sustainable practices is that there needs to be more guidance and teaching for the public AND many practices now are not actually accessible. I know a few people who have chronic illness and many "green" best practices are mentally and physically taxing to the point of their health being at risk.

@@vampireturtle Well put!

Same for living on a motorhome!

Very very good point. It doesn’t actually make the material bio-available to plants. It’s not actually true compost.

@@ParkrosePermaculture Who doesn't want expensive food sand, though.

The Lomi ad has been following me around too and I can’t find a way to tell them (or Google) that I’ll never buy that useless gadget! It’s not compost, just chopped up desiccated food. DIY worm bins are a great alternative for small urban spaces. I’m still working with the progeny of my original worm bin 12 years later!

@@shaunmdaniel I purposefully started clicking on their ad to go to their website because I know it costs them a few dollars every time I do that.

@@ParkrosePermaculture Lomi says in their ads that it creates the beginning of compost.

The problem is the product is junk, and will end up in the landfill itself.

@@Jeremy-kq5bs I don't disagree!

It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled.

Wow . . . just wow.

That's the vibe on Lomi ads, too. It's buying your way out of a problem -- which is incredibly classist.

@@ellenzientek So sad.

Real sustainability vs. "alternative sustainability" in a nutshell.

Gomer!! Lol

Thank you!!

Thank you!

I used to believe that, until I measured how much water I was using while handwashing, vs a dishwasher. (I suggest measuring how much you use, and look at overall efficiency per dishes washed.) Dishwasher was worse if I were to wash daily (which did not fill my dishwasher). If I do dishes every second day, dishwasher uses less water than daily handwashing. My dishwasher uses 12l for the default "Eco" mode, and being outside of the US, it is not a dishwasher which grinds food waste up, not sure how common those are in the US though. My monthly water usage dropped after getting a dishwasher, granted, only my one anecdotal experience, but I think it is a situation specific result. The efficiency of a dishwasher greatly depends on the model, and chosen cycle, with some older ones using scary amounts of water, and electricity. I'm no stranger to water scarcity, having lived through droughts where the only supply was our stored rainwater. Accidentally flushing the toilet once instead of leaving liquids in the bowel until the next solid obliterates any potential hand vs dishwasher savings.

If you run a tap for more than 2 minutes, you're using more water than a modern dishwasher... Which can wash 12 place settings even with caked on food. There's literally no way a person washing their dishes uses less water and energy, especially if your dishwasher is being fed cold water and has its own heating element . Singles who live alone would probably be better off hand washing, as they're unable to adequately fill a dishwasher, but then... Small dishwashers exist which in turn use even less water. Dishwashers, like refrigeration, is a technology we can use to help reduce waste and live more sustainably. Now if we didn't have a capitalist system that makes garbage appliances that die fast, we could all benefit from appliances that ACTUALLY improve our livelihoods and our environment in the long term.

how does the worm bin work out for you

Yup. Doesn’t make compost.

That's a great idea. The kids could even create a compost from their cafeteria scraps.

@@BronsteinEmily That was my first thought, but with a worm bin, if set up for it would offer all sorts of training in observational skills like following how long it takes the worms to eat what, layering different materials and watching how the worms favor different materials. There are a lot of possibilities and it would create lifelong understanding of how to manage compostables.

Welcome!!

@@ParkrosePermaculture 🤗

Totally completely agree with you. It perpetuates the fallacy that it’s individuals who are responsible for environmental devastation and we don’t need to hold corporations accountable or craft policies to protect people and the planet. Thanks for bringing that up!

Going solar is like changing deck chairs on the Titanic. Ever look into how much energy is expended in manufacturing a solar panel? You might be surprised. Look at the whole energy budget, starting with getting the materials out of the ground, refining them, running the electric furnaces that make the "logs" from which the wafers are cut.........

Pretty clear from the title what the video was going to be about. Hope you found some helpful options for composting without a garden.

Awesome. Now I lack the ability to comprehend a written sentence. I am enthralled by the opportunity I have to learn morality, the evils of our society, and how I am a part of it's failures @@ParkrosePermaculture

Yes, but the machine had to be produced and used up steel, plastic and power and still needs power to run every time And has to be recycled (hopefully) at the end of its time. But nevertheless I would never not have a dishwasher- it saves water, detergent, power, my dry skin and most of all: time. This lomi machine does neither save money nor power nor space and does not even produce proper compost.

I agree. I was against a dishwasher for a long time but after a lot of research, I found a small model that it uses FAR less water than hand washing (especially the way my partner washes dishes, which is probably closer to a 'normal person' vs me who conserves consciously) and actually uses a tiny bit of electricity, which we run off peak for savings, and we only run it 100% full. We use grey water safe soap. Honestly it's saved us a lot of money on our water bill so I feel good about the reduction of water.

Not if you use a dishpan and then use the water to water your plants :). I’m not anti dishwasher, but they are one more appliance to maintain and that wears out and ends up in the dump eventually.

@@ParkrosePermaculture totally, I get that and that's how I wash dishes. unfortunately, the other main dish washer in my house does not do it like that, so for us the machine dishwasher is a compromise and actually saves us water/money etc. I do have a dishpan to collect water that goes into the sink from random hand washing and washing hands etc and that waters our plants :)

Agree! I have neuropathy and limited hand "energy" so to speak. A dishwasher has literally given me extra stamina to cook. Otherwise I'd be too exhausted to clean anything

Ugh I didn’t know this. We should change that!

there's a huge difference between individuals making the best choice they can within a flawed system and a company selling a plastic product claiming it "helps save the earth" when it does no such thing. I don't know the math on whether the environmental impact of using one of these composters, with all of the resources it consumes - in the manufacture, marketing, packaging, shipping, use, and eventual disposal in the dump - would cancel out the environmental benefit of putting fewer food scraps in the trash. I'd say, personally, how many hours it takes me to earn $500 and then to pay for the electricity of one of these machines...how many hours do I have to spend working to pay for this gadget v how many hours do I spend on my worm bin? Everything takes time. Worm bin takes an hour once every six months to empty out...it would take years to make one of these devices more time-conserving than that. Just some perspective.

Hadn’t heard of bokashi. Thanks for the info.