$600 Walmart Tires vs $1600 Racing Tires 

Agree. Was extremely well done.

I usually skip them, but this one I actually watched it all 😂

@@pauloalexandre8164 same here.

Donut ads are the best on RU-vid

They lined up the angle pretty damn good too!

Facts

He's the only one who's been tracking beyond a video

@@Patrick.Howie. 🤡

@@Patrick.Howie. the average salary of a clown per year is 50,000$. and you do it for free?

@@Patrick.Howie. I bet most of them are better than you considering this is their job

And consistent

Donut is kind of getting that vibe that the old Top Gear had

I realized a month or so that Donut has become Mythbusters for cars and I'm here for it

I like 🐢

was about to say the same thing. great VFX even the pacing of the episode all felt like a feature length network show.

Continuity though.... @4:25

Came to the comments literally to post this.

I mean all things considered the off brand tires did ok, if you had a budget and you needed some basic tires to practice with on some HPDE days those would be fine. And then when you get comfortable then you start spending the big bucks on the good stuff

Agreed😊

​@@tbm275 yeah - unless you're a multimillionaire and you're working on a project car in between parties, escorts and avoiding paparazzi, there's no point in overspending before you know WHY you're spending. Especially true for the parts that are more on the racing end of the spectrum - stuff like big turbos, aggressive clutches, no-foot-effort big brake kits, chassis stiffening, extreme weight reduction super stiff suspension and no-ground-clearance aero *will* make the car faster on the track, but it'll be absolutely horrible to drive on the street, if it's even close to street legal by the time you're done. A $600 tire set is more than most people would want to spend on tires, anyway, and even low-end tire sets are fine while they're fresh. Project cars are near-infinite money pits anyway for us mortals, so only go ham when you really know you NEED the extra bit of performance or features you'd get by spending more than four times the price of the cheapest viable option. Yes, in the end you'll pay for some parts twice. This is how we learn.

I think donut is starting to be very "corporate-y"

Mo expensive doesn’t always mean mo betta

Hi Maintenance

Sounds like my Forester XT bahahahha. 😂😂

That’s the reality when you dump money into an old car...

It’ was the same with the z too 😂

Chrisfix me trust

There's also benefits to having that smaller contact patch, purposely increasing pressure over one area has an advantage on deformable surfaces, snow and gravel, WRC winter tires are comically thin

@@ericmullen14 reduced aquaplaning also

@@ericmullen14 exactly just sledding through lol

Unfortunately he was wrong! See the video *Why Big Brakes Won't Stop You Faster but Wider Tires Will - Friction and Surface Area Explained* on the *driving 4 answers* channel.

​@Dan Phillips Jeremiah was demonstrating breakaway force under acceleration, not dynamic compression during deceleration. D4A dives into why wider tires improve braking because tires are made of a compressible material that squeezes into the tiny imperfections in surfaces. D4A is awesome, though, and I'm not trying to shut you down 🤘

Quite true, but I miss my boy Aaron

@@air-headedaviator1805 absolutely, love that guy

@@air-headedaviator1805 I feel Nolan was left alone in the Low team. Aaron left a big space.

@@air-headedaviator1805 what happened to aaron

also honestly Jerry is probably the most charismatic donut member

That's why I loved when Noland and James used to sit down at the end and talk about the results. It's not as far into it as something like Money Pit but it's way more than nothing

I'm pretty sure they skipped past it because they've already touched on it on other series, including the original Hi-Low season

TRUE

They arent really professionals in the mechanic/racing scene so they dont give their advice because they dont really know themselves

5:02 so according to that; When buying shoes I should buy a size or two bigger and they'll last me years. Ok got it, thank! 🙃

turns out the secret sauce for getting good at driving is seat time, who knew

Is thsy a joke for become a better driver?

yes

The seat to steering wheel interface is always the most important part in the car.

However, I can run Michelin Pilot Sport 4s year round. Rain, dry, in between they are fantastic on the road too. They aren’t an R compound but they smoke both of these tires on track too. Expensive but totally worth

@@cmdrdreddI love the pilot sport 4s but they are death traps in the snow. I run the 4s in summer and the snow ice x in the winter

Ha 100%, the only channel where I watch the sponsor segments 😅

I actually hated it à lot, he was Litteraly blocking the way lmao, but i respect the effort it was very creative

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@@N1ko0L blocked what a car going in circles?

They need to get rid of the imprezas and do a pimp my ride style hi-lo

I agree, for someone being more casual, and just having fun with it, the Totino's are a perfectly good option.

yea definitely especially since u are paying $1000 more for roughly a second faster

Especially if you're still a beginner at track racing. Before you spend money on expensive stuff that will automatically make you faster it will be better to actually learn how go fast with cheap stuff and just your skill, learn the limits of the tires, the brakes, the suspension, the chassis

Agree, outside if breaking (like panic stops), 1600$ isn't worth the expense for daily street...that said, rain traction hasn't been tested.

Wel in belgium i got a set of r888r for like 650€ i i think r888r are decent ore am i wrong its for my m140i 18 inch so its not the biggest size

My Grand Marquis isn't 20x or more slower than a track-prepped WRX, but the V8 still sounds cool and it costs way less. 😂 Street use values might be different than competition values. :)

The thing about about cheap tires is even if they are able to achieve the same peak lap times, they won’t do it as well, they generally don’t communicate as well with the driver, won’t be as responsive, all of which influence the ability to be driven consistently. Another big factor is they don’t handle heat as well, if they did multiple laps in one run, those tires would have probably been a couple seconds off by the third lap, along with extreme wear to the tire as its less advanced compound starts to break down At the end of the day it really does depend on your usage case, if you’re planning on doing a lot of track days, auto cross, whatever, you’ll probably be better off with the expensive tires, just because of how much longer they’ll last, but if you’re really only in need of a good tire for the occasional canyon run, the cheap boys would probably serve you just fine

Well when you crash it is often 1 inch of difference…

just a drive on rain would give all the credit needed for the 3 time more expensive tyre, and the cheap one certainly heat up so quickly that after one lap it overheat

Why are we not talking about the wheel change and the relative unsprung weight change of each?

It's tires

Here me out, everyone on yt has a track build, wouldn't hi-lo be better if they did a pimp my ride style build on somthing like lifted trucks, think off all the endless opportunities they would have for mods

@@jackvv757 No. Absolutely not.

@@StreamwoodExplorer but we already know what's going to happen with the imprezas, it will just be roll cage, suspension, bucket seats ect...

@@jackvv757 I think that Hi-Lo only works when the changes they do can be measured objectively. Pimp My Ride style wouldn't really work if the winner comes down to matter of taste.

Would've been better without the suspicious jump cut with different amounts of weights, during the loaded test at- 4:45

It's also mostly wrong. The samples weren't tested at operating temp (well above ambient temperature for a track tire) and the reason for a wider tire isn't less wear, it's the increase in adhesive forces (like a piece of tape) to grip the ground. You don't really get those adhesive forces below operating temp, but a sticky track tire at the right temp will literally pick up objects. Mike on Bikes did a very applicable video and is one of the few to bring up adhesive forces when talking tires. Simple friction simply does not apply to tire grip and the distribution of load is actually one of the smaller reasons for wider tires.

It's also wrong, Nunya Business has the right Idea. Read Carroll Smith books

Its really quite a simple equation, static friction (for the sake of this example the tire operates under static friction conditions when not losing grip - that being said, kinetic friction is the same equation however it is instead an inequality) is equal to the coefficient of friction of the tire times the normal force. Normal force is mass times gravity, or the weight of the car on the tire. The area of the contact patch does NOT directly increase the friction force, as surface area is not a direct component of proportionality in the friction equation.

@@nunyabusiness896 Couldn't have said it better myself.

😆

Whoa

they already discussed this after the hi car engine blew and they did a diagnostic on it. I'm sure it's in their plans or they already did it and it's not a video worthy since it's not actually changing anything aside from reliability.

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Stignut

Some say he finds old dinosaur bones and replaces his joints with them...all we know is he's called the Shop Stig

now he needs a yellow race helmet

Don't you do Ben like that.

If you guys are ever looking for another senior editor who can work from Australia, hit me up!

I agree it’s gone WAY up. I watched some of their old videos that are 2+ years old and they are way different. Super cool to see.

one if the bests car shows, ever...

I was pretty blown away by this one

I'm gonna be devil's advocate, it's starting to be closer to mid 2000's MTV and I don't enjoy it. I genuinely love the older stuff which was less processed.

They're in socal, water doesn't exist.

@@smileyguyz would be cool if these test it elsewhere to account for temperature changes and water since we all dont live in dry areas. Would make good content as well

@@marioelburro1492 yeah for real, I’ve some Federal 595 RS-PRO cause they’re cheaper (and I think are good tires). I live in Italy near the Alps so temperature and wether change very frequently. My tires change a lot due to the temperature. If not worm enough you lose a bit of grip in normal conditions, in wet conditions with low temperature you better stay at home or use another car (absolutely zero grip). I’d love to see a video like you suggested in order to understand if there’s something better without having to buy and try all of them.

I share your opinion

Look into tire load sensitivity for a better understanding though

But the tire pieces are dragged differently. The smaller piece had the treads sideways and the larger piece had the treads going the same direction. not the best demonstration imo

The experiment on the table was a little misleading though. On a smooth surface (or mostly smooth, like here) static friction or stiction is your main factor, but on rough asphalt like a race track, the compound deforms into the little voids between the harder rocks, creating a mechanical adhesion, which has much more grip. Doing the experiment in a way that represents that difference would have involved more weight to increase the deformation of the rubber and a significantly bigger force meter. I dunno if they didn't want to bust out for the more expensive equipment, or just didn't know the full picture, but this experiment is definitely missing something. The different wear characteristics and resulting compound changes is totally valid though. That's one of the benefits of wider tires for sure. If you wanna learn more about wider tires being more grippy, HP Academy has a pretty in-depth little interview with a.... michelin? pirelli? engineer that covers the topic of wider tires and compound choice for race days pretty well.

Right, forgot to clarify the takeaway you'd end up with from the more complete experiment: given a rougher surface (representing the asphalt in a race track) and more weight to cause the deformation needed to take advantage (representing the forces a car would put into the tire) a wider contact patch does in fact increase grip because it's not just friction you're dealing with.

I mean technology in cameras advance every year soooo....

@@vidademikey9790 yeah but someone has to actually man the camera haha

@@vidademikey9790 technology can only get you so far. It's the skills that really make a noticeable difference.

@@vidademikey9790 wasn't talking about the quality of camera or video itself, was talking about their techniques, drone shots, cuts/transitions....... Derrr

It probably has more to do with the new unsprung weight and the driver's wussy launch lol

right? like the hi car tires are better but $1000 better? no way ...

@@adamgeigerjr6995 you would have to use both long term because maybe one wear worse.

@@NickVetter get that but kinda crazy that I can get 2 sets of those tires for a track weekend & be just as happy as the guy spending $400 more on one set. idk I just wish they did talk about these things

@@adamgeigerjr6995 I also wish they explained their thoughts at the end. Racing is expensive and you have to pay for that increase in performance.

I coudn´t agree more, I bet he could beat most of the guys at my local track day

When I first got my 02 wrx I had the problem lol. New brake pads mostly helped, still need a full new break system though.

That's what the UTQG Rating is for

Guess that would really depend on ones driving Habits

Most high-performance tires in that price range have a very short life. I mean, if you compare it to say, an all-season tire. But, it also depends on your driving style.

Truly the takumi of donut

I don't think either one of those EJ25's would last 20 laps.... he was already complaining about heat issues with one of the vehicles.... I think they'll inevitably end up in the need for a fully built EJ25 if they continue the series for the longterm - and really - the first thing both of these need is a simple cobb dyno tune to alleviate the inherent stock ecu lean fuel curve issues that plagued those years...

Usually the life of a tire is less about how expensive and more about how aggressive the compound is. Almost universally for tires of same production year (not 2002 compounds against 2022 compounds, rubber aging aside) a softer, grippier tire will also age more quickly and fall off long before the tread is worn down. This is why tire "mods" are usually a bad idea for a street car, especially one not being regularly used in competition. There's also the fact that track tires usually prefer more heat than they'll get from street driving, so they can actually be more slippery in everyday driving conditions, especially in colder climates. They left out a lot of important info about tires, they really need to get an actual track/race driver on staff as an adviser, way too much bro science in these.

Doubt the brakes would hold or the cars engines without dry sump

Most likely the more expensive tire will wear more quickly. It's not just about tread depth, either. More track-focused compounds are more sensitive to heat cycling, which means while they grip more initially, they also drop off much more quickly. After a few heat and cool cycles, a set of track tires could have less grip than a set of crappy Chinese off-brand all seasons. IMO pricey tires should only be used for competition or when your car makes so much power it's undrivable without them. Furthermore, lower grip tires are better for learning as people that throw on glue tires to start get overconfident and when they finally get brave enough to overdrive them, they are at dangerous speeds and they haven't trained recovery methods and are more likely to get in a serious crash. The real best thing is to put crappy tires and learn to balance your car at the limit at speeds that won't get you killed, then when you've mastered it you put on the stickies and go be a hero.

@@nunyabusiness896 the expensive Tyre looks like the AD09 whereas the cheap one is meant to be a budget 200TW competitor AFAIK. The AD09 is technically not on the same level. It's like a sporty road Tyre rather than a dedicated track day Tyre (that's what the AO52 is for) and should have better overall performance in dry and wet as well as better wear. It may also not need as much heat to work properly

@@christopherjohnston6343 Not sure where you were checking specs, but according to TireRack the Advan Neova AD09 is a 200 treadwear tire as well, putting them in the same class and is even sold under the "Extreme Performance Summer Tire" category. I can't tell for sure, but I think the Advans were also a wider tire size as well, which makes the comparison somewhat unfair. I also don't agree that the Zestinos don't have a tread pattern for wet conditions, it absolutely looks like a wet/dry pattern, they're not DOT slicks like the AO52. We also aren't really shown if they put effort into getting the tires into the proper heat profile as if they were just doing singular laps on cold tires then that's not in the proper temperature range. Medium-soft track day tires (soft being reserved for full slicks) can easily take two laps to get into full heat, depending on the track temp and frequency of corners. This grinds my gears a bit as I hate it when they do these "cheap vs expensive" shootouts and unfairly stack the deck in favor of the expensive product by doing things like making them a larger size or deliberately (or negligently) not paying attention to ideal tire temps. Not saying the Zestinos would win regardless, as after all it was damn close anyway to the point I'd say the Zestinos are a better buy knowing you'll be trashing these in 5-10k miles tops on the street.

@@nunyabusiness896 either way they aren't really like for like. I was going off vibes I got from AD09 marketing material when I wrote my comment. Its just a successor to the Ad08r - so its not meant to be a super extreme tyre. The Zestino actually did fairly well considering the price difference.

@@christopherjohnston6343 Facts don't care about your vibes, you're wrong and you should stop misinforming people. Never listen to any tire marketing department, they spew all kinds of nonsense, you have to go on pure data and testing.

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