$86 Recurve bow you probably shouldn't buy. (TopArchery Takedown bow Aluminum Riser) 

Hey Kramer, I watched your review, but I bought this bow because I am getting back into archery and didn't want to go to expensive. However I ordered the bow directly from TopArchery and they took your adjustments to heart. They added felt to the riser connections to quite the bow and added felt to the area where the bow string connects to bow. All in all it quite and works great, they were listening.

My cousins have one..and it's a good one for the price in my opinion

I enjoy your reviews; you are fair and accurate in your assessments. I wanted to have a light draw bow around for relaxation. A little cotton, some textile material, a decut arrow rest, and some beaver pelt improve the bow quite a bit, and it's always fun to customize a bow a bit if it needs it.

Hey Kramer! i have had and used this bow for recurve hunting and backyard target shooting for about a year and a a half now. It's not the bow I learned on, my first bow was actually a bear grizzly that i unfortunately shot too close to a tree whilst hunting. However, so far the the toparchery has been my favorite! Let me tell you why, and I'd also like to say that I am in no way affiliated with the company. So, when I purchased the bow, I purchased the 50lb option. At my draw length of 30" it's about 62lbs, so I think the limbs are all slightly heavy. I shoot 600gr. arrows with a very high FOC with helical turkey feather fletchings, nothing special. I shoot heavy arrows because just as yours did, my chrono showed a consistent 170-180FPS at 10GPP, it is a fast little thing. My Grizzly shot at 165fps. I find this bow to (after some modifications) be significantly superior to other sub-$200 recurves, and absolutely the best option when you're getting on the crazy cheap end of the scale. First of all, scrap the string. The thing only lasts about 500 shots anyways. I replaced my initial dacron string with a 16 strand fastflight flemish twist string and almost immediately it seemed to be shooting much faster. I was right, chronographed at 190. It was a bit of a gamble because i didn't know for sure how well prepared the limb tips were for a lower stretch string. I shoot 150 shots a day to stay sharp, and I've had it for almost exactly 18 months so this bow has put up with fast flight just fine for about 81,000 shots give or take 1,000. The noise was an issue. However, it didn't have anything to do with the limb pockets. I sound dampened both, and it was still pretty much just as loud. I stopped using those rests, got myself a basic fabric shelf rest, and I put string dampeners on both the upper and lower parts of the string. Like magic, it was no louder than my Bear had been. I have been shooting off the shelf with Victory V-force SP300 carbon arrows and no plunger. Because my arrow weight is mostly up front (200gr inserts and 100gr points), it dynamically spines out about perfectly leaving the bow right off of the centershot of the shelf. I have a thin strip of felt covering the plunger/sight holes. Bareshaft tuning checks out. As far as comfort goes, I suppose that's subjective. I have long arms and giant hands. I like the way that the metal riser cradles my hand, and its weight helps kill the pre-shot shakes I sometimes get when I'm anxious about making a shot. The narrow handle discourages torquing the bow with fingers, and the rubber grip seems to be holding up just fine. I'm not really in it for comfort, but with the thick gloves I use to shoot with in the winter, it's never bothered me. I'd give it a 6/10. It's no Hoyt superstar, but come on, under $100? I've hunted in rain, snow, freezing Connecticut temps, nothing has bothered it. no warped limbs, no issues, just a string change as necessary and i am all good. I've shot my friends' expensive bows, and they all feel weak and fragile. I can feel the limbs creaking on the pull with the wood-on wood riser and I personally don't enjoy that. I can't think of any good reason to get a more expensive bow. I shoot consistent groups up to 40 yards, and I'd never shoot beyond 25 yards while hunting. Anyways, I hope my experience with the bow can give you some insight if you decide to make another video about this bow!

I added felt to the shelf and to the string grooves on the one I bought and it really helped with keeping sound down. It's also decent for a bowfishing setup .

I come back to this again as it is one of my favorite bows. Out of the box it wasn’t bad, but your assessment is spot on, good for speed. A few things changed and this bow is well worth it. I put on one of your fast flight strings with silencers, stuck on some limb savers 3.5 inches from limb pockets, added a draw checker and a flipper rest and this is a new bow, easily a good hunter, tree, brush, or ground blind hunting! Good work Kramer!

I have the exact same bow and it is my first bow ever. I am pretty happy with it. The biggest problem is the serving as Kramer mentioned.

Bought a Fred Bear recurve at a pawn shop 25 years ago for 50$ still a good shooter to this day.

I have the 30# version of it. Love it so far. Small little 10 yard range here at the house. I've put around 1-2k arrows through it in the last two weeks and am on my 4th target. I love my top archery bow. Then again, I have nothing to compare it to.

i put felt pads in the limb pockets on my Samick Sage and it's still loud. no string silencers. BUT!!! i love the way it sounds! at 45lbs, it feels very powerful and the sound just adds to that. the arrows are also loud as they fly through the air. it's just a nice experience when shooting targets (i don't hunt). i say this because it's commonly stated that loudness is not a good thing.

You always make thorough reviews. More power to you. I just subbed.

Both Armin and Kramer don't like TopArchery, maybe I should review a bow from them :) lets how spectacular it will break

Comfortability... love this word.

I just bought one of these and it was 49$, but I think that it's a good bow for either beginners/ intermediate and especially if you do archery for a hobby

Please make a follow up video of you upgrading this bow. Would be awesome to see the difference a few easy mods could make.

So, I recently did some reading about Topoint Archery. Apparently, they are a rebrander seller. It’s a US based company that buys from Chinese manufacturers. I’ve bought three of their bows. (2 M1s and 1 R3) They all did great so far, though I’ve only shot about 2 dozen through the R3 before my bad shoulder got too sore to continue. With that said, I also bought this exact bow under the name of Gonex on Amazon. I know Topoint sells this exact one too. It was so bad we ultimately had to return it.

I've also the F179 Rh with 50#@28", shoots great without noise and good speed. I use it with thumbsrelease and khatra and draw up to 31", arrow on the right side...

I own the 50# version. By gluing cotton balls under the takedown points, replacing the string with a fastflight flemish twist, and adding otterballs, it is as quiet as any other recurve I've shot. The arrow rest is awful but can easily be replaced with a mag one. I also painted it olive drab and added a bow quiver and it works quite well for hunting. It isn't a very "fun" bow though, and the vibration is really bad in my opinion after 20 or more shots on the range...

Are you able to make a hybrid transformation? Add a sight and pyp, stabilizer, different arrow rest, and a quiver?

Thank you! I appreciate your review methodology.

Hey Kramer, just found your channel around a week ago and I love woodworking. I'm not too serious about it like I want to be but you've inspired me to make a bow. I've thought about it before but you've shown how easy it can be. I love slow and tedious work and I think this will be fun to try. Love your channel and content. You seem like an awesome down to earth guy, keep it up man! God bless!

I changed the rest, added string silencers and rubber shock silencers to help quiet the string slap. It really is a decent bow for hunting if you set it up correctly.

Dear Sir, This is a great review. But I love your DIY and How to vids the best.

Great video, I actually got one of these for Christmas. My first recurve since I was a kid, I normally shoot compound. I haven't set it up yet but I just had two questions. What did you set the brace hight at? I was thinking 7.75in and where did you set your nock? I was to the understanding it is a quarter inch above the arrow rest. I have the bow square and metal nocks and nock pliers. Just wondering what you think. Thanks in advance.

Love your vids man i love your channel

Thanks for the review. I know brace height is measured to the deep part of the grip but I believe AMO draw length/ draw weight is measured to the deep part of the grip + 1.75 inches. Just FYI

I have this bow and it's only my 2nd recurve bow n I thought it worked pretty good for me ngl

Wood or Metal/aluminium riser which do you prefer? Also on the hunting door website there is a 60 inch wooden riser bow for a few dollars extra. Would you recommend that or this one? I’ve went to archery lessons but never owned a real bow personally.

Hey Kramer I’m looking at a bow on amazon at the moment called by the brand name of “gonex” and it looks almost exactly like this one even with the carry bag. Could you let me know if you’d say that’s the same now different name?

If the bow draw weight is marked to AMO standard length at 28", by drawing it to 27.5 " to the throat of the grip you've actually drawn it to 29.25" AMO . At 2 extra pounds per inch on average (in this case 1.25" over 28") 43.5 lbs is not unreasonable and would be within normal tolerance especially for such a short bow.

I have this bow and it's fantastic!

i have a juxing recurve, alum. riser, i put bicycle tube gaskets under my limbs, quieted it down alot

I own this exact bow and I have no complaints.

What if you turned the string the other way so the small loop at the top and bigger loop at the bottom and shot of the shelf ?? Would this help in any way? Or is it not possible?

Oh, lordie! I’ve not heard an arrow rest make that noise! And that thing is LOUD. Makes a sound similar to a banjo when you release the string.

i own the same bow but in 50 lbs. put prolly 40 dollars worth of time and work into the bow to actually enjoy it, im glad i bought it for the experience but looking at it as a first time buyer id spend the extra money on a higher quality bow... and im talking only spend $140-$160 usd.

I bought one of these bows. The 35# version just to have fun with. I’m not a Hunter. I did a couple minor things to quiet it down and I really like it. I’m not expert by any means but I think it shoots as good as any bow I have. To each his own right?

I have just got one of these bows and find it impossible to draw the arrow to my neck like i think I should be .I'm prettty strong so .Is the bow not set up wright or am i just not strong enough .?

Would this be OK starter bow for someone who really can't afford to pay more?

Drawing that bow with the plastic arrow rest sounds like a TIE fighter. And I know it likely won't but it really looks like it's going to snap at some point

I just ordered the 40 pound draw version with sight and arrow brush for $67CAD shipped to my door.

Amazing start for a series! This might just get me to buy a bow and start shooting. Exciting stuff

So I bought this exact bow from Amazon. Is the correct bow string length 52''? Let me know so I can order some string of you're website. Thanks!

hey man i got one them toparchary 56 inch recurve bows its 50lb i think it might be bent its a right handed bow the string feels like its way too left cant find a video about this problem

Nice video! Im thinking on purchasing this bow(top archery 30 lbs) and wanna know which string do someone recommend me to purchase for it, anyone who knows or have tested this bow can answer please i really appreciate any help because im preparing my purchase and im noob on archery so i don't know anything about strings but i want to purchase some good string

Should I buy this if i alrdy bought a near $200 bow that is too heavily weighted for me for now if i dont want to return it? lol

My black hunter recurve sounded like this bow. I tried everything and it is still much louder than I’d like

Its an awesome bow.

What do you think is the best lye at normal price ????on hunting

Hey Kramer, have you played with a D&D Archery recurve takedown? I think it'd pretty much be in the same category as this and just wanted to know how you felt about it compared to the Top Archery.

Some risers are magnesium alloy which also isn't magnetic... Never heard of a steel riser, but some stainless steels also are non-magnetic.

What??? I got one and it seems pretty good. It's my first recurve but i can group pretty good with it. Mine was only $75 pre covid too

Is this basically the same thing as Phantom bow from Mandarin Duck?

I bought a Darton left handed recurve from a friend. It's #45 @ 28"

Hey, Kramer I just made a new bow. I need to do tillering but it doesn't even bows a millimeter:(. If I make it thinner, do you think it will break? I don't know what sort wood it is. There is tape on the back.

I bought 2 Chinese compound bows,......they looked great,... I tested the poundage both were under weight. They looked like old 80's bows with a tear drop string mount,....I chose them so I could make my own strings. But I had to send them back for being under weight. Instead I went on Ebay and bought 12 old Fred bear Bows that had 4 wheels and a tear drop string mount. As far as the Top Hat Bow,.....looks great 3 pounds over weight,... is a good thing. As far as the plastic arrow rest,....if it wears out,.... it takes less than a minute to re-tune it,.... in the field. Metal arrow rests take hours of fiddling. You can improve the Tophat Bow.

When taking out multiple Orcs volume shouldn't matter?

4:12 startled the hell out of me.

U should make leather side quivers for traditional bows I'd totally buy one 😁

Is it good for a begginer ?

will Kramer get all the reviews done before 2020 ends? :D

I've got one of these bows as a backup rig. My only complaint is that its noisy but there are some mods you can do to make it acceptable. I put string dampers on a flemish twist string, leather on the recurve part of the limb where the string meets it and filled the holes in the riser where the limbs bolt on with cotton wool. So far i can't complain about it.

Is that chaga in the background?

Ive been shooting this bow for 2 and a half years and have won every 3d shoot ive taken it to. About 8 shoots so far. It is a really decent shooting bow. The rest needs to go and it should be shot off the shelf 't with very little material added to the side of the shelf. Thats where it centers and shoots best. I am also pulling it 31 " which should not work well at all with such a short bow but it does. I encourage you to start over and through that garbage rest away and do a new review. My last bow wasa hoyt Buffalo and this bow works just as well and is quieter and faster

Now that I am participating in Archery Tag and LARP (Live Action Role Play) the topic of safest arrow shaft has arisen. LARP has chosen Fiberglass arrow shafts, stating that other players are less likely to break a fiberglass shaft by stepping on them than Carbon Fiber, Aluminum or Wood. Have you tested these different materials for durability?

I have one of these and loved it until I got a more powerful one. Not sure why you scored it so low.

Newbie here, looking to buy a bow. Question.. do u have to have rhe arrow rest or can you shoot off the riser? Thanks

Opinion on the Samick Sage takedown???

Pra compra esse arco como fazer e entrega?

Wha do you think of Lars Anderson?

Have you ever done a review on the PSE Night Hawk? I bought one that has a 45lb draw. I like it but i am a beginner.

Hey, kramer. Thx for the awesome content. I got inspires on making a bow myself and am wandering if a recurve bow can be made without using an oven.

Great informative post, I am looking forward to the next ones. 🙂🏹✅

I am going to buy another bow and I am looking forward to the rest of your reviews.

The draw length weight at 28" should be done from the string to the front of riser so what you did was ad an extra inch to the draw length , hence the extra few pounds

I shoot 47# compound with a 24.5 DL. Should I get the 30# or the 40#. For fun and light hunting.

For a guy that never shot a bow this is great. Most people shoot it once and then end up in a basement colecting dust. To see if you like the sport is great. My opinion.

Kramer, I do not know if you will see this after a year but, because of your review and others, I ordered a Black Hunter longbow. On Amazon there are several seller. Have you though of reviewing the same bow from several sellers vendors ?

Met a guy at the club with this exact bow at 50lb. My bow is a 40lb ULTRA CHEAP beater, but wow when I heard him shoot I'm like, duuuuuude, just use a guitar!

I'm trying to find a longbow but I don't have an archery shop that has a selection of longbows I have a 30-in draw I don't know if I should go for a 64 or 68-in longbow I don't want to spend more than $250 is there any suggestions on what you would recommend ? Really appreciate it I want to mach it up with one of your orange/black D-97 strings

Another S for you Kramer. S as in side, does it come in left and right hand versions?

I made a felt arrow rest for mine

Great review man. I can't wait to see you're review of that survival longbow 😅🤣😅🤣😅😂 I've heard many things about them lol 🏹

I disagree with you on where you should measure the draw length. The front face of the riser is where the straw length is measured so when you pull it back on your jig it should be to the front not the grip.

Excited about these video's. I want an how to improve your recurve bow video. Kramer you are amazing.

I have the Same Bow, one of the Best I Have 3years

Anybody know where I can get a bow with a three foot draw length?

Why does the bow sound matter? it not like you are using it to hunt, if it shoot well that pretty much all that matter really.

The best bow is the one that you can shoot accurately.

You should review the mandarin duck phantom.

Nice. I can't wait for more. I'm very curious about the horse bow. Thanks.

Como faso para comprar??

Okay i bought that bow a little over 4 years ago, and it came with a twisted bow arm , Yeah I said that's not safe.

Would spaghetti work as a bow backing?

Yes sir I think you can make it better with just a few things. Take care my friend God bless 👍🏼🏹🇺🇸

Hi god bless have a good day

I love my PSE anthem 45#. "Cheap bow" I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

I totally ordered this bow and waited 5 month's to eventually be told it got recalled

Purely out of curiosity, where would the serving lie if you swapped the string end for end?