All the comments about "Freni's so rude": you don't understand, she's the only one in Europe who tries keeping the italian old school singing alive! During the second world war, so many marvellous voice teachers fled out of Europe. People sometimes don't realize that a big part of the tradition was lost! Freni is doing a great job, I'm happy she's doing it.
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Freni is absolutely not teaching the belcanto but nasal and constricted singing. Also, she is not teaching but screeching, yelling and humiliating the students.
@ How do you know? Did she teach you or are you just judging by this video? Did you watch videos of other lessons she gave? I'm sure if someone sang nasally she'd immediately correct them.
@@CriticaLxThoughX ok if you think she's a good teacher you must have your reasons. And the reasons must be that you've heard her students sing and sing WELL. Tell me who are her students and where they're singing. Otherwise your point about her teaching is not valid.
E' mancata oggi la "nostra" Mirella! Un giorno triste per gli appassionati di musica lirica. Con estrema commozione sto scrivendo queste poche righe su questa grande cantante modenese,proprio come il suo caro amico Pavarotti che l'ha preceduta da ormai molti anni,nell'Olimpo dei grandi!
@ She's not teaching anything nasal nor constricted, she wants everyone to sing FLUENTLY AND FREE because everyone is engolating (as usual in most singing students nowadays almost like a standard in the industry). Reaching the note is NOT ENOUGH; you got to do it the most healthy way possible or it will have long term consequences. That's what the old belcanto technique is about and not constricted nor nasal missconception you picked out of this. Belcanto is a discipline and if you don't want to be told exactly where you are going wrong you are not meant to be on a stage in a masterclass but in a regular teacher classroom to keep untouched your own perception of singing.
Абсолютно согласна, всё точно и по делу! В этом году Мирелла Френи покинула землю, но уверена, что будет с ангелами петь на небесах. Царствия небесного прекрасной певице и удивительной женщине.
В связи с тем, что этот мастер-класс был сделан на ТВ и для ТВ, микрофон сильно искажает действительность. У синьоры Френи невероятное чувство юмора. Было ощущение, что некоторые ребята её просто испугались и готовы были сбежать со сцены. Получил огромное удовольствие от просмотра, несмотря на все микрофоны.
Мирелла - мой кумир! Она молодец, что покритиковала нашу школу нынешнюю с её „раздутым“ звуком. Архипова более резко объясняла то же самое (я была ещё школьницей, когда имела счастье попасть на подобие мастер-класса от Ирины Константиновны), но потом, в муз.колледже, мне всячески пытались доказать, что невнятные слова с вытьём - это хорошо, а оперное пение свободно-разговорным стилем - древность.
Вы правы. Одной моей подруге таксист, узнав, что она оперная певица, сказал:Вы все поете искуственно, не люблю" И был прав. А это послествия нашей перерасширенной школы
Прекрасный мастер- класс! Просто Класссс! Близкий, собранный звук- это далеко не значит плоский звук.Правильный звук как раз будет круглым и об' емным. Жаль, что наши горе- педагоги этого не слышат
Все правильно она говорит,очень трудно слушать мычащих певцов, которые жуют все слова и голос как из ведра. И выражение "как говоришь так и пой" не имеет буквального смысла, смысл в том что звук летел вперед, в зал, над оркестром, над фоно. Разве не видно, что все представленные певцы давятся звуком? Верха это форсированное горло? О какой технике тут идет речь? Если техника и заключается в четкой дикции, в полетном звуке в свободном пении? Френи говорит основные наиболее значимые моменты, обобщая их. Она не обязана с каждым заниматься по часу, это трудоемкая работа, которую должны были делать педагоги. Что вы тут демагогию развели? Русский язык не самый лучший для пения, он тяжелый , неповоротливый, и русские певцы поют довольно средне на итальянском, потому что сочетания звуков нет такого как на итальянском, нет той звонкости и нет быстроты в речи. И педагогов кстати, в Росии тоже очень, очень мало, единицы.
Это совершенно разные школы вокальные, разная техника звучания. А у преподавателя нет деликатности, критика, граничащая с насмешкой. Вот Т. И. Синявская это и певица экстра класса и педагог от Бога!!!
Идеальный коммент! Именно резонансное звучание и оттого - полётность звука ставлю в основу своим ученикам. Найти резонанс и полётность - найти силу звука. Не наоборот. Без артикуляции - невозможно.
@@viktoriya77777viktoriya Когда Собинов гастролировал во времена оны в "Ла Скала" первый раз, то публика не поверила, что он русский, так что сеньора Френи всё по делу говорит. Мы вовсе не первооткрыватели в пении оперном, а примкнувшие совсем недавно по историческим меркам и наши певцы прошлого пели в итальянской манере, но потом мы съехали непонятно куда. Лично я терпеть не могу утробные низы наших знаменитых меццо, да ещё с тремором или сопрановый визг горлом. imxo
Абсолютно верно говорите: в России поют заглубленным звуком и "горе педагоги" оправдывают - это русская школа и т.д.Просто то что она требует-это делать непросто : требует много работы, усилий над собой,как говорят "надо пахать" ...
Она достаёт, выводит голос...После её правок голоса ЛЕТЯТ, словно крылья появляются у голосов!!!!! До мурашек и до слёз.....Великолепный мастер...И, главное, с юмором, легко, и доходчиво всё объясняет...Брависсимо мастеру и ребятам.
Шарлатанство!!! Достаточно сравнить, как она пела сама, стем, что она высмеивает у других певцов: речь о базовых принципах вокала. Тетенька либо не догоняет, либо намеренно вредит. В том и другом, к сожалению, она не одинока.
@@asoleil1 Жаль девушку,испонявшую арию Маргариты.Неужели она на самом деле настолько бездарная? Неужели она так фальшиво поет? А что с ней стало в далнейшем?Знает ли кто-нибудь? Она ее просто уничтожила.
Это не мастер-класс, это самолюбование + размазать студентов. Она только говорит, что не так, а что физически сделать, чтобы стало так - ни разу не сказала.
@@skazkiskazovny3648 Такие взрослые люди уже должны знать как это делать. Ээто послать звук в резонаторы, близко к зубам. Многие вещи в вокале делаются с помощью воображения.
Along with Renata Scotto, Mirella Freni was the most versatile lyric soprano with a most beautiful voice, unbeatable technique, expressiveness and innate musicality. Due to their vast repertory, they both were the perfect opera coaches ever. May her soul Rest in Peace.
Вчера посмотрел фильм про Саломею Крушельницкую. Это она спасла Пуччини и его Мадам Батерфляй. Ее во Львове в консе выучили как мецо-сопрано. Приехала она в Италию и ей там сказали - " Вы не мецо, вы сопрано и вас надо переучить." Так что вот так. Учимся мы певцы по 10 и 20 лет , а оказыаается не тому учимся. Все от школы зависит и удачи. Попадется хороший педагог на твоем жизненном пути и поведет тебя в правильном направлении, возможно что-нибудь и получится
Мирелла Френи великая певица. И то что она говорит о звуке верно. Звук не должен заходить во внутрь, он только из вне касается кожи и посылается назад в зал, и образуется звук перед верхними двумя зубами на расстоянии ладони. Если точно определить что поет в теле, то это клиновидная пазуха с помощью связок, а клиновидная пазуха очень маленькая, и поэтому большой звук ее перегружает. Терпеть не могу нашу зевковую грузную школу, это не школа а порождение тяжелого рева, который не только не способен полететь а переполняет клиновидку, и возвращается обратно в горло на связки. Так что. Браво Френи, Брависимо!!!
I have read many comments complaining about Freni criticizing in a rude manner. What she is doing is pointing out defects that will lead to a short career and vocal problems. She is helping them and those who pay attention are singing with an improved free sound. As singers they will face much worse on the job. It is better they learn now.
She is absolutely right, all singers sings very throaty, imirating fake dark operatic sonund. She honestly tried to help them. But it's quite impossible rid them off of these unhealthy habits for such a short time. They'll need a lot of effort and time to corect these long gained habits... And her advices are extremely important/helpful, if they don't realize that, they' ll never sing correct and develop a full potential of their voices... And there are many really, really beautiful voices...
It’s always possible to critize without being a bitch! This is not helping anyone. Very, very disappointing the way she humiliates them. Even worst than Schwartzkopf! And then she asks the public for respect - shameful,really. . And she talks about respect!,,,
Exactly, how can one understand to improve, if one does not grasp what one is doing incorrectly and how to correct it. The longer bad habits are used, the harder it is to correct. Sometimes the only way to fix a habib is to have the mistake taken to almost ridicule or irritation so that in the mind . . . it does not go back to that place again and the good habit replaces it instead.
@@xavieralberto1176 the public is there to learn too, is not humilliation. If you can't take criticism in a masterclass (which by definition has a public too) like the professional you want to be then you don't deserve the spot, simple. Art is a discipline, not a childs game and singing is WAY more than just reaching the note. But today's singers want everything to be simple and if they are told wrong they look for another teacher. That is not a professional mindset.
I think she does an excellent job, she is extremely practical, goes directly to the root of the problems with the singers and the results are immediate
сейчас во времена тенденции на углубление звука певцами, она, как обладательница старой школы дает очень полезне детям советы. самое главное- это легкая и естественная подача звука, это основа. за один мастер-класс, конечно не научить ничему, но дать верный вектор и указать на ошибки она смогла. очень полезно вокалистам послушать ее замечания. разве нет?
Tana Dimitrova ahahahahahah ! nu davaite ! spoite tak, kak i V'y govorite ! poprobuite ! ahahahahahah ! questa barzelletta della Freni mi fa proprio morire da ridere ! ps. una voce giovane canta,una vecchia voce- parla ! ahahahahahahahah !
а польза в том,уважаемый,что на сцене перед звездой стояли тупые звукодуи,которые не соображали ни на йоту,ЧТО они поют, и о ЧЁМ они поют (ОНА им рассказывала!). Теперь понятно? Как раньше говорили в Большом театре: "ПАРОВОЗНЫЙ ГУДОК ВСЁ РАВНО ГРОМЧЕ БУДЕТ"
Incredible! She knew all the tunes and lyrics - word by word - sung by all these Russian candidates to the opera stage. Freni sang over 50 complete operas on stage and recorded over twenty by composers such as Verdi, Puccini, Donizetti, Bellini, Leoncavallo, Handel, Rossini, Cilea, Giordano, Tchaikovsky, Mozart, etc. Arguably one of the most versatile and complete opera singer/actress of the 20th century and part of the 21st. Rest in peace, Mirella, you will be irreplaceable!
Natal'ia Popova ahahahahah ! nu,nado Vam uchitsa u Freni,vot i vse ! i kogda konchite Vashe obrazovanie pozvonite mne v Parije,chtob'y razkazat' mne kak b'ilo.... ni puha,ni pera...
Ecco un grande esempio di una persona che ha avuto una grande carriera e che capisce la differenza tra un suono emesso bene e uno non emesso bene ma non sa diagnosticare il problema con termini specifici e quindi rimane generica e esageratamente emotiva nelle sue spiegazioni per mancanza della conoscenza dell'apparato vocale.
@@Tkimba2 Tomba 2, eppoi non e' proprio tutta questa finezza...non puo' spiegare o raccontare cio' che non ha mai posseduto. Sembra la master classe dell' Orso Yogy.
Riconosce bene i difetti, come chi ha un po’ di orecchio, dice come dovrebbe essere il giusto risultato, ma non dice nulla su come raggiungere quel risultato
I think Mrs Freni is a superb teacher making this Master class so instructive and voice liberating and proyection for the novel singers. I admire Mirella a great soprano.
Singing opera is incredibly difficult, endlessly dedicated work....good for Mirella for educating the masses on the real professionals go through on a daily basis
MIRELLA FRENI's way of singing Opera is completely correct, which is now died and considered as old approach to vocal art. Here I recommend that you watch an RU-vid channel called 'This is Opera'. You can find out there why the modern opera world is so unpopular among people. The channel is very enlightening and educational.
The problem is not who has got a beautiful voice or a great technique but who makes you forget ALL the others...Freni was one of these unique singers and artists. So at least she is not hypocritical and says what she thinks... all the others lie.
This is a valuable singing lesson - something that seems missing nowadays. Mirella Freni, like Caballe, are great artists and know really well what good singing is. Mirella was a great singer and had a very solid technique. Such a privilege listening to her good pieces of advice. And this vídeo just prove that if someone wants to have a career in singing, they must be brave and prepared to listen and learn: people "too sensitive" with criticism cannot be opera singers. Brava Freni ! ! ! She was right in what she said about those singers. I could see improvement with her suggestions.
This video doesn't show anything but a former world class singer transmitting her advice pretty rudely. Go check youtube for Master classes with other former greats and you'll notice the difference. It is a question of style and what's wrong about being a bit more polite when teaching?
I honestly do not understand the comments on this video. She is only commenting on their voice and rightly so. (All of them with the exception of one soprano sing with their vocal fold mass inside the throat) she doesn't humiliate them as personalities. It's their voice as an instrument that she comments on. People seem to have very fragile egos nowadays... plus her way is really Mediterranean which to me is also funny and relaxed. I can imagine that in a Russian school this kind of temperament may sound arrogant. But she is not. My teacher has the same behaviour and we crack up laughing when she mocks my mistakes. I guess it's a cultural difference.
Exactly. If what they wanna hear is only, "yeah bravo/a. You sing perfectly." then what is the point of attending masterclasses? You can just sing in front of a mirror and applaud yourself. Incisive criticisms can let the students remember what mistakes they have made easier. What else is the teacher supposed to do? Be nice and say something like "oh dear. Yeah you sang really really well. However, might I remind you something....perhaps you should not use your throat to sing?" A lot of comments are absolutely nonsense. These people should go back to kindergartens where are full of lenient comments and criticisms.
She is very nice comparing to Elisabeth Schwarzkopf. This young singers are there because they want to learn something so its right if Signora Freni tells them what is wrong. Thats the best teachers.
You guys should see how Chinese Pekin Opera singers train in the old days. Watch the movie "Farewell My Concubine". They get beaten by their teachers with a cane for the tiniest mistakes, the foot raised 1 centimeter lower than what it should be. And people think this is harsh criticism? It's the same in all art forms. Art is cultivated through sweat and tears.
Remember, that is only your opinion but it does not mean its accurate. In regards to this woman, the Mediterranean attitude, unless you meet a courteous one, which there are some and who are, unlike what many commonly refer to as insipid, they end up often braggart inflated egotism, which is quite laughable. A truly good voice teacher like Tom LoMonaco - who never abused or mocked his students, at least as far as recorded and documented by his students. All of them attested he was as constructive and firm, but always encouraging them to improve and do better. He also understood this because he had an abusive teacher, Douglas Stanley, and he refined not only some errors he taught but also believed in treating students with tough honest but encouraging constructive criticism. It is a common thing to find abusive teachers and its quite sad. Very few bother to behave as honorably and accurately as he did. Sadly, even those vocal pedagogues who claim to know what they're doing often don't and get away with both physical, verbal, emotional, and even, tragically, sexual abuse - based on their "knowledge" - which is pathetic.
I come from Russia, and this is not at all tough in comparison with how some Russian teachers act=) I do not find her rude, but a bit too intense. I agree a lot with what she says and I think it is useful to exaggerate someone´s mistakes so that the person understand them better. At the same time learning things like singing would take a lot of thorough work, one masterclass is useful maybe for those who view it in recording, but maybe it is difficult for those singers who took part in it. I think it is the entire approach that needs to be changed. It is not these singers´ fault, it is how they had been taught
Итальянская школа приехала к русской школе и естественно ее забраковала. На самом деле - хотите петь итальянскую оперу надо у итальянцев учиться. Русская школа подходит для русской оперы
Если певец использует от силы 70 процентов потенциала и неправильно строит фразу, звук не там, не летит вперёд, и работой ртом пытаются компенсировать отсутствие правильной генерации в диафрагмах и далее....
BetuliaLiberata Toscarpia ***** I must say I find this a strange situation. Young singers are put on stage and have to perform for Freni. All the singers have drastic technical problems and she is supposed to correct those problems in 4 minutes??? Freni is a technician. If you hire her to give master classes then you must know that she is going to want to correct technical problems that the singers have. She is not going to give master classes in style or interpretation. How can one allot such a small time window for such a mammoth task? It seems the only thing she can do is give an appraisal. When your car is not driving well and you take it into the garage to find out what is wrong with it, you don't want to hear that it is a nice color or that the seats are in good condition. You want to hear what is wrong with it Yes, she does seem impatient and even slightly frustrated but I am sure she was expecting to have singers who are at a more advanced technical state and. At least she is being truthful and not like Jones who just waffles on about pronunciation or phrasing. I think the fault lies more with the organizers who sent such inexperienced singers into the bull ring or if they were stuck with these singers, the should have allocated at least 45 mins per singer.
***** What a lot of nonsense - your generalizations are way too dramatic and Of course there are singers today with big voices! and Edward is right, Freni indeed had a pretty good sized voice that easily soared over the orchestra. And as you can hear when she was paired with Corelli, one definitely could not maintain that the one had a bigger or smaller voice. It is a legend that del Monaco had a big voice - I heard him and it was quite disappointing. If you want to name a big voice then at least mention Vickers who was really big - it would at least give the impression you were talking some sense.
Edward Beckwith LOL - she had the habit of always looking up to the rafters with her eyes and face when the voice went up - I am sure that was part of her projection technique. I remember hearing her in Boccanegra at Covent Garden and even though I was sitting right at the top her voice just rode over the orchestra and chorus.
Sometimes the only way to teach is to exaggerate what we want to show. And I think She finally mocks the issue with swallowing the voice because The singers keep on doing it. I don't think She is mean. She is giving the best to these students.
She is the master, she has nothing to prove . . . what she is doing is kind compared to what the public critics will do if they pursue incorrect technique and pronounciations, and tonal quality. Today, the fragile snowflakes onlly wish to receive praise with little hard work. Real artistry is still discipline. So much of what is a heritage of great singing is being lost, because the public is becoming conditioned to poor quality and accept noise and pyrotechniques as a substitute for quality. Overindulged drama do not make-up for a good and sound foundation of vocal technique and musical honestry.
THE INTERPRETER IS FANTASTIC. FRENI IS ALSO HILARIOUS!!! HO HOW ENJOYED THIS, THOUGH I AM GLAD THAT IT WAS NOT ME LEARNING. BRAVI, THEY WHERE VERY BRAVE. BEST MASTER CLASS.
i dont think you guys dont really understand what it is to be an opera singer. in order for one to be great, they mist get used to straight, demanding criticism as far as technique and diction is concerned. these singers in this video made her upset because they were all singing way too heavy. she even told the first guy to brighten his vowels because his pitch was really low. i wish i could have had this oppurtunity. this is how it is at ivy league schools when taking diction courses, etc. they will stop a person numerous times until its fixed. its not about how she is teaching, but what she is teaching. they will and have probably thanked her for her help. renee fleming took lessons from her as well and even said that it takes someone with passion to study with her. she is very intense, but it takes a lot.
Nathaniel Thomas I don't agree. Russian school is so different from italian school, so a student who is used to that method can not just forgive in ten minutes what he knows and start again from the beginning.... It's impossible. Freni said it, but the way she teaches is RUDE! It doesn't matter if she has to repeat herself a thousand times, she's payed to do it! Plus, not everybody is able to learn from someone like her, with her attitude..
And how many of these singers from “ivy league schools” have sensational careers? Almost none of them, that's how many. I was in the Juilliard bookshop once and overheard a cashier talking to someone about how he graduated from Juilliard's voice department and had basically been having to rebuild his voice entirely on his own, little by little, a little each day. Just because this is “how it's done” at high levels of study doesn't mean it's effective at creating actual careers. I'm sure you could name a laundry list of people who experienced it who have careers, but I bet if you thought long and hard, you could write a novel simply of names of people who had the same education as them but no career to show for it. These rats' nests fill their beautifully-printed brochures with their successes and bury their failures. It's a business, nothing more. It doesn't matter how many Violettas graduate from the Juilliard School, the Met's not hiring them. They're hiring Diana Damrau. End of story.
They have beautiful voices but they seem to be listening to themselves too much. I love what Freni is doing with them, getting the sound out of the throat and into a higher placement.
Почитала комментарии трёх российских ботов, критикующих Миреллу, - посмеялась от души. Ирина Константиновна Архипова говорила „Пойте, как будто в хоре. А если не можете и начинаете выдавливать/раздувать звук, то у вас нет голоса!“ . Если любого обывателя, далекого от музыки, попросить изобразить оперное пение, то он начнёт форсировать. И даже если у обывателя этого нет голоса вообще, то какие-то громкие звуки он выдаст - вот вам и основа нынешней российской школы.
She's a bit harsh but you can see she really cares for the singers - look how nice she is when saying goodbye to them. And she's always right when correcting them !
САМАЯ ГЛАВНАЯ ИСТИНА - "ПОЙ КАК ГОВОРИШЬ" И ТОГДА КСТАТИ ВСЕ СЛОВА БУДУТ ЯСНЫ. ПЕТЬ НАДО СВОБОДНО, А НЕ ВЫЖИМАТЬ ЗВУКИ. В ЭТОМ МНЕ И НЕ НРАВИТСЯ ОПЕРА. МНЕ НРАВЯТСЯ ОПЕРНЫЕ ПЕВЦЫ, КОТОРЫЕ УМЕЮТ ПЕТЬ СИЛЬНО И ЯСНО И ВСЕ ЭТО ЕСТЕСТВЕННО. ПЕНИЕ ДОЛЖНО БЫТЬ ЕСТЕСТВЕННЫМ , В ЭТОМ ИСТИНА.
Chi dici che è maleducata non ha mai vissuto in Italia..è solo un modo da fare che non è intenzionalmente crudele. Dice quello che pensa, senza girarsi intorno. Detto questo, come molti grandi artisti, non sa insegnare, capisce i difetti ma non so spiegare come correggerli. O almeno qui sembra, ma poi come si fa a cambiare completemente tecnica in un master class? Dovrebbe concentrarsi di piu sull' interpretazione, non si puo fare una " lezione di canto" così. Io ho incontrato la Freni 30 anni fa quando cantavo nel coro dell' opera di San Francisco, era gentilissima e completemente naturale e alla mano.
даааа.... я тоже не поняла..... единственный ответ на вопрос- почему она её так загнобила - это то, что девушка просто ей не понравилась.... девушка пела не хуже, а где-то и лучше других поющих....я ещё как-то мирилась в начале с тем, что она всех показывала, как они плохо поют,вместо того, чтобы дать достойные ответы, певицы такого уровня.... её слова и поведение были очень стыдными и не достойными... но когда она так жестоко и мерзко обошлась с этой девушкой....очень жаль, ведь эти дети пришли к ней кака к опытному певцу, с надеждой и верой...конечно, она не может выправить голос за 5 минут на мастер-классе, но показать направление в котором певец должен идти и с уважением отнестись к ним, они ведь с открытоу душой пришли к ней..... всё же есть талант педагога и талант певца... у Френи только талант певца
Да!!! Очень недостойно себя вела Френи..настолько нетактично, недоброжелательно - просто уничтожила молодых певцов! нельзя так не уважать учеников...как баба на базаре!
Все ошибки у этих сопранисток из-за за того, что не умеют верхнюю губу поднимать, когда поют. Нас этому учили на французской фонетике. Это было не так то просто, но потом научились и поэтому сразу становится ясно о чём говорит Мирелла. Из-за фонетических особенностей нашего языка, и артикуляции, звук остаётся в горле или во рту и не идёт наверх вперёд.
Todos los gestos de ella, me hacen recordar a un maestro que tuve. Es difícil entenderles, pero a la final tienen razón de cuál es la manera correcta de cantar.
+Lorena Forero si,è vero! ma quello che conta per un cantante giovane è cosa ha imparato dal suo maestro /come canta/, e di cosa il maestro ha insegnato il suo alunno. il resto è fumo.
Цитировать. "Почитала комментарии трёх российских ботов, критикующих Миреллу, - посмеялась от души." Алёна! А Вы не читайте, это как от советских газет, несварение можно получить. Хотя, если с юмором, то можно и повеселится, как от комедии.
Да, итальянцы не знают, где у них диафрагма. Поэтому у них такое лёгкое пение. Один старый дьякон с двумя вокальными образованиями учил меня не диафрагменному, а чревному дыханию при пении, учил выдыхать, а не вдыхать. Он уверял, что именно в этом весь секрет итальянцев. Надо заставить живот качать воздух. Русское академическое звукоизвлечение в основе своей тяжёлое, звук лепиться к затылку, а он должен порхать на губах. Но мне кажется, что надо начинать с дыхания.
Не могли бы вы пожалуйста по подробнее сказать про то что итальянцы не знают где у них диафрагма, и как на самом деле нужно вдыхать и выдыхвать при пении? Заранее большое спасибо!
Alexandr Zaitzev Nado nachinat s golosom , esli u Vas est' nastoiashciy opern'y golos. Vot tak prosto vse eto ! A u Vas na Rossiy golosa prosto Fantastika ! starik
È troppo peccato che ci siano dei cantanti che dopo la carriera non sono pronti di aiutare i giovani cantanti. Si potrebbe profitarne tanto, invece la Freni fa finta di non aver mai avuto problemi o di non esser mai stata studente. Tra l'altro mi ha spaventata la sua voce rauca! Era molto scradevole guardarla. E la frase: ,,vai, vai a casa!": senza ogni rispetto!:(
It is difficult to understand how somebody can be at the same time one of the greatest voices the world has ever heard and such a coarse and vulgar person.
Речь об итальянском языке. К русским этот принцип не относится. Я учу и произношу текст, как иностранка, близко. Меняю природную позицию. Потом только пою. Помогает очень.
все правильно она говорит, это порочная "русская" школа пения, когда пытаются петь глубже, неестественно, так и на русском не говорят. Пытаются сделать звук объемнее, но так не работает
Ничего не поделаешь с русской школой пения. Это пение в бутылку. На этом все кончено. Только певцы дореволюционной школы пели как европейцы. Послушайте Лемешева. Открытый, яркий, сочный звук, без форсирования. Все слова льются.
Una de las discípulas de la maestra Mirella Freni, la soprano Celia Gómez Bernal nos dice que siempre se debe cantar afuera, no en la gola, olvidar los falsos amigos y no llevar la voz a lugares como la nariz. Siempre a la máscara completa, la voz debe sonar Jóven y con morbidesa. Maestra Freni es sin lugar a duda la mejor Maestra técnicamente hablando y la master Celia Gomez una gran discípula que ha sabido transmitir estos conocimientos. Si llegas a traducir esto amiga estamos en México en un lugar llamado Coatzacoalcos, por que el arte no solo debe residir en lugares de primer mundo, también aquí buscamos la Ópera. Saludos y muy hermoso el trabajo hecho en Rusia.
@@joaofernandopaluan esta muy cambiado de cuando lo conoció. De ese lugar solo esta un recuerdo. Es feo, pero la verdad ya no es como era en el tiempo que lo conoció.
Sono d’accordo : non apprezzo la cattiva ironia con chi la Ffeni si rivolge ai Cantanti e trovo che sia una pessima insegnante : non sa esprimere un consiglio tecnico , nonostante sia stata una ottima Cantante ..... ma questo non fa di lei una Insegnante valida !!
Io proprio non comprendo la maggioranza dei commenti riportati nei confronti del M° Freni. Potrà avere dei modi apparentemente bruschi, ma se vi scandalizzate per questo significa che non avete mai avuto il piacere ed il privilegio di studiare il canto, quello vero. Un maestro è tenuto a richiamare in un determinato modo l'allievo, soprattutto se dopo svariate volte non riesce proprio a comprendere come risolvere ciò che sta studiando. E' vero, tra allievo e maestro ciò che fa' crescere principalmente è l'incontro, lo scambio, e ciò avviene col tempo. Ma tornando alla questione Masterclass... ma vedete che questi poveri ragazzi (salvando la pace di qualcuno) non riescono proprio a seguire ciò che di GIUSTISSIMO dice la maestra? Il canto è un'arte, e come tale va rispettata e per eseguirla c'è bisogno di studio altrimenti non ci vuole nulla a diventare DADAISTI (E neanche perché di base c'è un qualcosa di concettuale).
SI MA BISOGNA AVERE IL MODO GIUSTO PER DIRE LE COSE, NON SI PUO USARE L ARROGANZA IN VIRTÙ DEL FATTO CHE AI TEMPI CHE FURONO ERI UNA STAR. UN INSEGNANTE PUÒ DIRE TUTTO QUELLO CHE VUOLE NELLA GIUSTA MODALITÀ CON DOLCEZZA E CON DELICATEZZA, LA SUPERBIA NON SERVE A NULLA, I DATI CHE FORNISCE L INSEGNANTE DEVONO ESSERE SEMLRE DELLE CAREZZE DOLCI E GENTILI. E POI STI QUÀ PAGANO UN BOTTTO
I think Freni knows what a good technique should sound like. Just doesn't really know how to explain it properly. Mirelli herself actual doesn't place the sound but she is leading the students down the wrong path and then saying, nope that's the wrong path.
How would anyone explain it properly? With medical technisisms of foldings and laringeous muscle names? Sticking her fingers into the singer's throat? It is the singer's job to sensibilize themselves to sound frequencies and muscle memory in order to understand what she is asking but everyones too afraid of experimenting with their voices and extremely allergic to criticism nowadays. There's also this very same problem even in Callas' masterclasses with one mezzosoprano, she starts skolding Callas for asking her to sing more free and fluently as if Callas was the wrong one and not her. SINGERS OF TODAY ARE USED TO INGOLATION rather than singing with their real voices.
Davvero non comprendo i commenti negativi...può essere che la signora sia brusca e parecchio ma a me pare che dica cose mooolto sensate e che possano solo che aiutare questi futuri interpreti... anche i modi bruschi posso essere d'aiuto considerando che il mondo della lirica è tutto fuorché rose e fiori per i giovani e strigliate come queste sono all'ordine del giorno. La Signora è anche ironica in quello che fa, non prende in giro per il gusto di farlo... essendo stata una grande diciamo che ha un po' ancora di aura da primadonna ma null'altro.... ''sono un po' pazza..... ma per fare l'artista in teatro non devi mica essere normale!'' ecco la amo :D
Matteo Ferrari i giovani cantanti hanno bisogno di aiuto vero ! delle indicazioni sulla base del canto lirico ! purtroppo la Freni non parla mai dell'impostazione,appoggio,proiezione,e' un fatto. e' una cosa di mostrare con il dito la proiezione ''in avanti'' ,e' complettamente un'altra di mostra ai giovane come TROVARE la posizione giusta! ogni voce e' unica . e questo fatto e' un'anigma per la Signora . saluti il vecchio
Adoro Mirella Freni come cantante, ma è fin troppo severa, le voci e la tecnica di questi giovani cantanti è molto buona. Lei non può insegnare a cantare come faceva lei, una voce naturale già di suo, senza neanche una zona di passaggio.... Perché comunque anche questi giovani sono bravissimi