संवाद # 185: Why Modi must remove Agniveer Scheme | Colonel Yogander Singh 

Previously, all military recruits received a lifetime pension. The Agniveer law changes this by requiring a 4-year service period, after which recruits are evaluated and either continue in active service or move to staff positions with a salary. INDI wants to scrap this new law and revert to a system where the military functions more like a typical government job without merit and permanent benefits. INDI is gone crazy!!

Fuck BJP

जैसे मुल्ला की दौड़ मस्जिद तक वैसे स्वार्थी की दौड़ स्थायी नियुक्ति पत्र तक वाली बात हो गई है। इसलिए सरकारी सेवा में शुरुआत में स्थायी नियुक्ति बंद होनी चाहिए । सुधार तो करना ही होगा जबकि पुरानी भर्ती प्रक्रिया के दुष्परिणाम स्पष्ट हैं। आमतौर पर कुछ बातें जनता को नहीं समझती, भावुक होते हैं तो दुष्प्रचार से प्रभावित होते हैं। आपने सुना होगा हर जगह लोग leadership की बात ही करते हैं लेकिन सेना में leadership और followership दोनों qualities चाहिए तभी तो सैन्य _बल_ कहलाता है नहीं तो सब एक दूसरे को कैंसिल आउट करके निर्बल होते। सेना में strict chain of लीडर-फॉलोवर-लीडर-फॉलोवर संरचना से बलपूर्वक एक लक्ष्य को हासिल करते हैं। ये जाति-विशेष का नहीं प्रशिक्षण विधि का परिणाम होता है। अंग्रेजों ने तो अधीन कॉलोनीज की सामाजिक संरचना का अध्ययन किया था उसका दुरुपयोग करने के लिए, तो इसलिए जातिवादी रेजिमेंट बनाया। आपको सिख रेजिमेंट और सिख लाइट इन्फेंट्री में अन्तर का इतिहास जानकर भी शर्म आएगी कि पहले वाले रेजिमेंट में जटसिख भर्ती होते थे और दूसरे में मजहबी और रामदासिया सिख। जटसिख अपने को हाई caste मानते थे और दुसरे वालों के साथ नहीं होना चाहते थे। यही अंतर मराठा लाइट इन्फेंट्री और महार रेजिमेंट का था। यदि pre-modern/feudalist narrow loyalties के नाम निशान ही जारी रखना है तो फिर कोई modernisation ही क्यों करना? याद रखें कि ये narrow loyalties पालने का परिणाम था कि 500 से अधिक जटसिख सैनिक फौजी हथियार सहित आतंकवादी भिंडरावाले से जा मिले, इसके बाद ही हुआ था आपरेशन ब्लू स्टार जो कि अपरिहार्य था।

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Agniveer , OPS & Corporatization of Defence Sector specially Ordnance Factories was the main factor, because they were the people who voted for BJP regularly, but got betrayed

Right sir

​@@PeshwaMotivations Lamo ! Corporatisation of Defense sector specially HAL , Ordinance Factory Board were needed . Kabhi bhi time se kuch delivery nahi karte ye defence PSUs . Always late-latife hote rahate they yahan .

​@@PeshwaMotivations Nah! You are so off

Punjab is drug addict khalistani rest of them hate bjp. I'm from haryana jaat in favour of Hooda because he will give freebies jobs. Don't give this agniveer logic. Bjp winning in vidhan sabha why?

एकदम बराबर। अग्नीविर के साथ भारतीय सेना भी खतम करो।

Apkabauthidanewath

Some Officers of armed forces are pushing for change & innovation while other want status quo. If you hear arguments of other side then you will convince to their point of view. Our Armed Forces need to push reforms from internal side with consensus.

​@@naveenparashar764but 60% temporary employed is extremely large, that's not a goal to have for next ten year atleast, we have to have long term studies for these kind of high will power based services

​@@varunkhugshal9049actually the number of permanent ones would be like as before but the policy takes extra in fact 3 times than actual need.. Its useless as you are creating thousands of youth trained in arms who are unhappy. Its better to continue the earlier one.

​@@naveenparashar764 officers & rich people think that only their lives & views r important and everyone else is there to serve them, follow their orders without ifs & buts... how much u agree with this 😅 ?

​@@ashuexcelHow do you everyone is unhappy. Many are preferred to go

This agniveer scheme was pushed by a certain saboteur/grifter who is the nephew of subramaniam swamy and pretends to be a defense analyst. he was pushing "modernization of defense forces". BJP needs to shun these americanized social media opportunists or they will destroy everything that hindus have fought for not only since rise of BJP but over centuries. They are just nehruvian impostors within "RW". This particular grifter was against defense indigenization due to his closeness to outfits based out of the US. That alone should have raised red flags. They always propose american solutions that just won't work in India. This americanized group was also proposing for BJP to shy away from caste equations by attacking jati as antimodern and proposing american style presidential campaigns. Listening to them will result in a rout for BJP next time. Only genuine reliable Hindu centered channels like Vaad need to be supported by BJP.

Jai hind sir Sir you are right but don’t you think that colonel Yogendra sir’s point that avg age of the army will not be affected by selecting 22-23 yr old agneeveer as the leader age would be more approx 32or more and the unit will run according to age of the leader not the jawans.

​@@dr.anandprakash Yeah the leader maybe older but the ones he will be instructing will be Young. Young ones can be utilised in good way

@@dr.anandprakash सर अग्निवीर योजना से आर्मी की औसत उम्र बढ़ेगी न कि कम होगी। इसमें आप एक जवान को 22-23 वर्ष में भर्ती करोगे। जो पूर्व में 16-20 में होता था। मैंने इलेक्ट्रिकल इंजीनियरिंग का 3 वर्ष डिप्लोमा करके नेवी ज्वाइन किया था,तब मेरी आयु मात्र 20 वर्ष ही थीं।

This agniveer scheme was pushed by a certain saboteur/grifter who is the nephew of subramaniam swamy and pretends to be a defense analyst. he was pushing "modernization of defense forces". BJP needs to shun these americanized social media opportunists or they will destroy everything that hindus have fought for not only since rise of BJP but over centuries. They are just nehruvian impostors within "RW". This particular grifter was against defense indigenization due to his closeness to outfits based out of the US. That alone should have raised red flags. They always propose american solutions that just won't work in India. This americanized group was also proposing for BJP to shy away from caste equations by attacking jati as antimodern and proposing american style presidential campaigns. Listening to them will result in a rout for BJP next time. Only genuine reliable Hindu centered channels like Vaad need to be supported by BJP.

Absolutely

Previously, all military recruits received a lifetime pension. The Agniveer law changes this by requiring a 4-year service period, after which recruits are evaluated and either continue in active service or move to staff positions with a salary. INDI wants to scrap this new law and revert to a system where the military functions more like a typical government job without merit and permanent benefits. INDI is gone crazy!!

​@@x2931brother they are soldiers they are giving their life. Whats wrong in giving them pensions?.

Previously, all military recruits received a lifetime pension. The Agniveer law changes this by requiring a 4-year service period, after which recruits are evaluated and either continue in active service or move to staff positions with a salary. INDI wants to scrap this new law and revert to a system where the military functions more like a typical government job without merit and permanent benefits. INDI is gone crazy!!

Then you did not try very hard: 1. The military equipment is becoming more tech oriented than personnel focused. Less soldiers, more quality. 2. Each time a new equipment is developed/acquired it comes with a skill tree that keeps only the young people ready. Ex, if you never used Google maps to explore unfamiliar places, Uber/Ola is harder for you. Same thing with controllers modelled after Xbox controllers, vr headsets and 3rd person perspective. 3. Since the Vietnam war, only two styles have won out. A super technical army that can level a country in minutes and a meat grinder that sacrifices people for attrition. Which one is better? 4. What happens if our army is filled with 35-50 yos who are unable to adapt to highly technical equipment?

​@@rutvikrs study the isareal and hamas war. See what happens when u bring in lot of tech only in to defence sector. Also India don't have own technologies, we borrow or buy tech from others. Now u want more tech dependability, I mean do u think that other tech companies from whom u buy will not betray you. Look how us plays game when it finds ally in trouble, look Ukrainian model. Ukraine is test field for both super power where they r testing 30 years of tech modernization. U should re think before MAKING SUCH big big policy changes just because u can not increase 10 billion dollar defence budget. Indians talk as high as sky but don't even bother to attempt walk first.

@@SaurabhMotalkar on the Israel Hamas war: 1. Who is winning right now? 2. Who has the capability to wipe out the other in 6 minutes? 3. Who will obligate other countries to support them through finance, industry and academia? 4. Which army can take on a variety of forces? 5. Which army can handle a multi front war? 6. Which army sacrifices its people, let alone soldiers? 7. What kind of headcount is needed by each side to win a war? 8. Who wins between 3 drones vs 100 infantry? 9. Does your economy in the near and mid future make human life less or more expensive? 10. Is your enemy upgrading or downgrading?

2 more things Agniveer is to create a huge reserve in case of world war and to fight 0.5 war inside.​@@rutvikrs

@@user-thakur870 In 2022, the overall defence budget of India was $65 billion. Out of which $16 billion was only pension. Thoda padh lia kar Ganwar, koi kuch bhi bolkar chala jata hai.

​@@pra8kwhat kind of tooth to tail ratio can that budget afford you?

​@@rutvikrs U r dumb the wars will be won by technology more and less on manpower plus if something happens to person the govt has to compensate him too plus is also answerable too..how can we purchase or develop modern weapons if we keep on recruiting men in army as the salaries and pension will take almost 30-40% of budget ...the more technologically advanced the army is ,the more is ur chances of winning ,it is definitely not abt the numbers

Completely agree with you. We need to modernize out defence forces. Aur agar in chutiyo ko meat shield Banna hi hai to Bhajpa ko apna gardan age karne ki koi zarurat nahi hai. ​Revoke agniveer for economical reforms in private sectors.@@pra8k

​@@user-thakur870... ये कांग्रेसी कर्नल साहब हैं, इनको अग्निवीर स्कीम में एक भी अच्छाई नजर नहीं आई

1 Modi's pasmanda prem. 2 Abasi Karan of system and ministry. 3. Destruction of temples and murtis, whereas in the same places, preservation of mosques 4. Too much overconfident. Very much Self centric behavior 5. Anti hindu bills and their provisions getting implemented

Maulana Mohammad Modiuddin

Previously, all military recruits received a lifetime pension. The Agniveer law changes this by requiring a 4-year service period, after which recruits are evaluated and either continue in active service or move to staff positions with a salary. INDI wants to scrap this new law and revert to a system where the military functions more like a typical government job without merit and permanent benefits. INDI is gone crazy!!

Bolte raho ye sab hariyan me bhi haro ge abhi

@@the.king.of.pirates Khattar should get chappal 👡. The person who puts Hindus in jail just for opposing namaj on public places.

Sarkar khud Maan chuki hai ye baat, bjp ka record hai atal ne pension band kiya modi ne army contract pe Diya RSS ke agende me ye sab hota hai

@@AnilKumar-ys6uqये वो भाषमासूर हैं,जहाँ इनकी नजर पड़ी वहीँ भस्म हुआ।

True brother future wars Saari technology ki hai bhai 😊

Bhai hum pehle se hi kam kharch kr rhe hain aur agniveer k baad aur kam ho jayega to technology pe fight kaise krenge??? Army ko zyada budget aur zyada manpower chahiye. Scrap agniveer as soon as possible.

@@amansingh18 दुनियां की कोई ताकत केवल टेक्नोलॉजी से युद्ध नहीं जीत सकती। आप हवाई हमले करके देश बर्बाद कर सकते हों,पर देश पर कब्ज़ा करने के लिये जमीन पर उतरना ही पड़ेगा? वियतनाम युद्ध में अमेरिका। उक्रेन युद्ध में रूस इसके उदाहरण हैं। न अमेरिका जीत पाया न रूस।

Agree. He was contradicting at many times.

Point...

Factual? He said OTA received only 100-150 officers / year because terms of services acchi nahi hai. That’s clearly not the reason. This man is clearly cooking up a false narrative here!

@@user-thakur870 Matlab Sare suwar milkar bhi or itna propaganda chala kar bhi 234 pe reh gye or wo akela 241 le aagya... Or suwar k chamche baas ispe hi nach rahe h... 😅😆 acha h nacho... Or jaha tk baat kar fauj k... Uske liye dil se izzat h... Unke liye jo bhi faisla liya jaye wo unke ache ko dhyan me rakh kar liya jana chahiye... Or agar koe faisla galat ho to usse dubara sochna chahiye... Or jo chamchu@# baap ka gyan de raha jese fauj desh k liye h usse tarah hm citizen bhi apna tax pay karte h.. Yaha koe free me apna service nhi de raha h.... Or ye Democrecy h yaha sawal puchne ka sabka adhikar h... Koe yaha special nhi h

To what about modernisation duniya pta bhi hai kha ja rahi hai China bhi apni army ka size kam kar rha hai dheere dheere 😊​@@user-thakur870

How is it compulsory if all are not serving?

Its not like that the same people who were joining earlier are joining today

@@brar1320 they have compulsory military service for 1-2 years. After that you go into real world. Agniveer too 75% of them leave after 2 years.

Problem is with 60% anniveer goal.. taking it above 10 % without long term impact studies, is dangerous for such sensitive services

Faalatu ki baat hain ye sab. Let us give some time to this scheme then to be revisited if needed.

RTI hey na

​@@ayushmankar4100RTI file karna thodi aata hai in critiques ko. Bas bakwaas karni hai.

@@rscsingh7848 Ye baat to hey

There is a mechanism for that also but gyaani babu like you just like to comment nonsense and that's it.

​@@rscsingh7848 PM Cares Fund par RTI lagu nahi hota. Uska accountability?

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It's not possible to scrap it. OROP drains a lot of Indian Defence budget. It cannot be continued forever. Additionally, Police reforms haven't been done in over a hundred years. Agniveer is meant to serve both these purposes. Manpower needs to be cut down, diverted to other paramilitary forces, retrained, and kept engaged till the age of 50+. That is why Agniveer was introduced.

Ha agniveer se paramilatry me direct transfer karni chahiye. Agar 25% military me jarah hai to 75% ko paramilitary forces me recruitment ke liye jyada recommendation Dena chahiye.

*My proposal for modification in Agnipath Scheme* *Age Limit for application*:- 17 Years 3 Months to 20 Years 9 Months After being selected as an Agniveer:- *Stage 1* 9 Month training Initial Age bracket (In years):- 17.25 to 20.75 Final Age bracket (In years):- 18 to 21.5 *Stage 2* 39 Months deployment as per the requirements of the Indian army 🪖 Initial Age bracket (In years):- 18 to 21.5 Final Age bracket (In years):- 21.25 to 24.75 *Stage 3* Provision for extension of 2 years Initial Age bracket (In years):- 21.25 to 24.75 Final Age bracket (In years):- 23.25 to 26.75 Those who don't opt for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat. *Stage 4* 2 Year extension for maximum 85 % of the Agniveers who have completed their stage 3. Initial Age bracket (In years):- 23.25 to 26.75 Final Age bracket (In years):- 25.25 to 28.75 Those who are not selected for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat. *Stage 5* Permanent enrolment into the Armed Forces, of maximum 85% of the Agniveers who have completed their stage 4. Initial Age bracket (In years):- 25.25 to 28.75 Those who are not selected for the extension will get a guaranteed position in the central forces of Bharat. *Benefits*:- 1) Indian army will get young personnel of age bracket (18 to 28.75 years) reducing the average age of Indian army from it's current figure of 32- 33 years to below 30 years. 2) After each stage, some portion of the Agniveers will go back, most of them would go to the Central forces and the remaining ones would assimilate in the society where it is made sure that they are well off due to the Seva Nidhi package given under the Agniveer Corpus fund, created by the Government of Bharat. These Agniveers who will be assimilating in the society will still be young enough to build their career from scratch, equipped with mental strength and discipline required to succeed in today's fast- paced world. 3) The central forces will benefit from the experienced, battle- hardened Agniveers which would not require rigorous training unlike the other fresh recruits in the central forces. This will also save the finances of the central forces which could then be used instead in the modernization of the weapons and strengthening of the systems in place. 4) Agniveers who are even left out after a certain stage will constitute a skilled backup force in case of a war like situation or in case of Internal strifes/ Natural calamities/ Pandemics & Epidemics, etc.

Very true... He is कांग्रेसी कर्नल 😅

अग्निवीर योजना का सैन्य,आर्थिक व सामरिक दृष्टि से सही एवं निष्पक्ष विश्लेषण है। इतना सही किसी ने नहीं समझाया है। A grand salute to you sir. जय हिन्द।

Yes yehi toh short service commission waalo ke saath galat hota hai

Check IDSA number. He is right.