The remaining two ALRV streetcars took their final journey as TTC vehicles Monday, offering free service to the last riders along Queen Street. Adrian Ghobrial with some of the history behind the streetcars.
I’m sure they are. We have a tram muesum in zurich and the tram/bus company of zurich is currently restoring a very old tram. The extremely old ones are still used, ish. It’s normally a restaurant or a festive theme and is driven around like that.
@@invinciblenowyt Same in my city - Katowice. We have Konstal N and Konstal 105N historical trams (as in: restored to how they looked when leaving the factory) in regular service.
Not only did bombardier delay delivery of new streetcars, we wasted 20 million in a failed project to maintain the aging ALRVs (which eventually got cancelled). You have to wonder who's in charge of these high level decisions.
SBB bought many Twindexx trains from Bombardier scheduled for 2013. They should be in service since December 2018, but most of them are not ready for service. The CEO of SBB resigned and will finally leave next year. We are talking about almost a billion wasted from our tax money!
In NYC, we had an issue with Bombardier too. They were two years late with the delivery for our R179s as well. Deliveries should've been from 2015 to 2017. All units should've been on property from 2017. The MTA spent millions of dollars into extended life maintenance on the R32s and R42s, which we still have.
The ALRV's are always gonna be my favorite streetcar. I also like the CLRV's. But the Flexity's are the way to go. Rest in peace TTC's ALRV fleet. You will be missed
I came to Toronto when these where practically brand new (27 years ago) when I first came to Toronto. I thought they were so awesome! I wonder if these will be sold to people that want to build tiny homes. That would be so cool.
They may (will probably) be rebuilt and sold to developing countries that cannot afford brand new cars. For example, the San Diego, CA Siemens cars ended up in Mendoza, Argentina. Some of those cars may have up to 15 good years of service ahead of them.
Highly doubt they will be re used would be cool, but we live in too much of a throw away culture these days, they willprobably just go for scrap metal. Get the copper and all the valueable stuff and the rest sent to china for cheap recycled steel.
@@ttcclrvfan7027 you must work at bombardier lol meanwhile, it happens even when its just cold outside, let alone winter. the electric lines of the ancient 50+ year old streetcar (that are an eyesore to say the least) are far outdated and not geared for the current geography of this city. also, notice 20 people agreed so far?
@@NoLeadsEnt Actually, the new streetcars dont die in the winter. They have ran in severe weather and snow and they fight it easy. Now these antique old streetcars cant stand the winter and they often die. And the 21 people who agree probably drive often and cant stand the fact of a longer streetcar at stops keeping them farther behind.. anyways..
@@ttcclrvfan7027 so, you're admitting that streetcars die in the storm and the new ones have not, yet.. correct? &, as to make such a drastic assumption on the now 21 people who've up voted, id say you're stretching like a outdated streetcar on that one.. although you might be right on one or two( myself included lol) a margin of error to great to bet on, for sure though :D that being said, electric buses can navigate the streets much more efficiently, and these all year bike lanes adding to the conundrum seem just as silly as those unappealing lines above most of the downtown's streets (for streetcars). wouldn't you also agree? all in all, i do appeal to your lack of disrespect and insult :D its nice to converse with logical people who are capable of common sense and reason; on youtube too no less lol.
@@NoLeadsEnt No. 6 electric buses died so far. Anyways *I am not hear to insult, I am just telling you what most transit riders would think* I find it strange how you start supporting electric buses yet you put down similar diesel buses. If you dont agree, you dont have to reply in such a weird format.
My beloved Father [Charlie] was the night foreman at Roncesvalles Carhouse many years ago, the first CLRV (single module, not the double in this video) was onsite all shiny and complete with the new smell. Dad explained that this was the new tech, packed with electronics, etc. I was so excited! One of my best memories with Dad. Some may remember the red rockets came out again in fleets because this new toy had experienced many faults in the first winter.
Sad to see a part of TTC history come to an end. I commend the Commission for the effort to keep the equipment in service for the right reasons albeit at a cost. To their credit, action had to be taken in light of the delayed delivery of the Bombardier order and action they did.
Twice in my life I've visited Toronto (1999 & 2008), and have ridden both the CLRV and ALRV-type streetcars. They'll hold a place in my heart, but as with so many things in life, all good things must come to an end. Let's just hope the TTC doesn't have the same problem like they did when the hybrid buses were rolled out!
It's a shame that the life extension of the ALRV's (which was first introduced in 1988) for a decade (10 years) was cancelled. Meanwhile over in Melbourne the life on the B class trams (also introduced in 1988) is being extended for another 15 years.
I never seen those Toronto Transit Commission 'bendy' streetcars before, when I was not born in Canada [until my Nigerian aunt lives there]. Here in the United States (where I was born), there are old Metropolitan Transportation Authority NYC buses that are old and seen in the street since I was born in the year 1998.
Ironically there getting phased out right now by bombardier trains that are years late and even had to be sent back to the factories after testing in the subway system because of how faulty they are
@@K1_Trains It's true their replacements the R179 are way behind schedule also the order was changed a few times. The 1964 vintage R32 car bodies are fine as Budd built a nearly indestructible stainless steel car but even though they were put through a GOH they are mechanically worn out. However a subway car does not have to contend with road salt as a light rail vehicle that runs on the street does and they use a lot of it in Toronto in the winter.
In Gothenburg, Sweden, there are streetcars dating all the way back to the shift between 1800s and 1900s, mixed with streetcars from all decades since. All of them are running in rushhours as well.
Has anyone else noticed that on the new streetcars some of them have louder stop chimes than others on some of them when someone presses the stop button you can hardly hear the stop chime but on others it’s nice and loud and actually noticeable I wish they were all nice and loud and noticeable
Here in Brussels the pcc trams are still running, the 77/7800 serie is 50y old . They are dead to the wire! Alstom is in full delivery of the new TNG flexity 3200/4200 series. But goes slow. All the new trams are only for the center and the old stock runs on the outlines of Brussels
Look at Melbourne, so many of these still running flawlessly alongside the brand new ones in the CBD. Granted there is no snowy winter (Although it does snow sometimes), but still.
There are trams in Europe that are older than these and still running around. 30+ years for this was good. With push for accessibility it's time for them to go.
We need mass rapid transit to solve congestion problems in Toronto.... We are still trying to hang onto the small city vibes at the cost of the people.
These are almost about the same age as the Philadelphia ones 1980s era perhaps if you change the bogies from TTC Gauge to Pennsylvania Trolley gauge then you can run these in the Philadelphia streetcar Network which includes a tunnel section as a special train. Option two is give them to San Francisco for E & F trains
I think it would be cool that when all the old streetcars both ALRV and CLRV have been retired and if the TTC has any left over of those stop signs that was stuck on the back window I think it would be cool if they sold those off as a piece of TTC memorabilia I actually have one of those stop signs I just haven’t figured out a good way of hanging it up yet the stop signs I’m talking about are the ones on the back windshield that read “Stop behind open streetcar doors it’s the law!”
Picture a plug in hybird bus with a electric bar that can extend and link up with the street car electric line. Can park in designated street car parking to charge bus when on break. Can run on electric line when on street car route then go electric/gas when off route. Very sexy options that we wont do until someone else does.
I could be wrong but were not these street cars (minus the TTC logos)used in the Original Late 1980's era Degrassi TV series? And as someone that been to Toronto several times, (most recently here in June 2019)it was cool riding these artic street cars a couple of times. Thus Happy Retirement. PS Speaking as someone that as of this typing lives about 2 Hours from NYC, the New York MTA also has huge problems with aging subway/rapid transit cars as well. So those of you in Toronto, it's part of a larger issue of upgrading mass transit in many cities worldwide. Just shows how downhill that Montreal-based Bombardier has gone in recent years. Not that long ago, they were considered maybe the best in the world with building trains/subway and light rail cars.
Honestly, why can’t TTC be like New York where they keep so many retired vehicles and occasionally take them out for excursions? I mean TTC literally scraps all their Hawker Siddeley subway cars, and they sound so cool!
At least they're now tearing down the viaduct that blocked the waterfront. I feel like I've heard somewhere that they might put streetcars on Alaskan Way, much like they have on Embarcadero Boulevard in San Francisco.
*Need Trams (Streetcars) like **_Bombardier_** manufactured for Nottingham Transit system (UK) These are absolutely brilliant, and way ahead of the ones in Toronto (which I have travelled on) Pity the Council spent so much in trying to keep obsolete cars running. **1:55** ($1 Million per car !) Sometimes it's far cheaper to scrap and get a new set of far more efficient wheels. Note these are built in Derby (UK) so post Brexit a great 'trade' deal for Canada, forever our close Friends in the UK*
its not the cost, its because nobody (city politician) knows left from right... they enjoy their 4 year jobs and keep it just so that once 3 and a half comes they make their plans for another 3 and a half
I think Pilsen (CZ) has oldest tram still operating in normal service from 1975 (It was modernised in 2000's tho). Also Liberec (also CZ) had in the end of 2018 few trams from 1950's that were still in normal service.
@@douglasrogers4675 Well... yes T3's were manufactured between 1960's and 1990's. But the oldest running car it self is from 1975. (But yes, the city had T3's in the 1960's but those cars were discarded during the 1990's and early 2000's)
@@Trainfan1055Janathan I guess you realize that ice automobiles releases their green house gases right in your face where you breath. One emitter at a distance is easier to control and capture the pollutants.
Don‘t do the same mistake like Munich! Keep as many of the old ones as possible until there are enough of the new Bombardier ones in the fleet! Replacing streetcars by buses is a joke!
The street cars don't have to be a total lost ... the city can sell these refurbished street cars to developing city in a third world country. Or sell these cars to a smaller neighbouring city or to one of the cities in the Maritime Provinces. The city and taxpayers has sunk to much money into these cars to be just scrapped.
@@cmartin_ok Lol. No problem, never been to Canada - I'd love to though! Google knows I'm visiting Chicago in October. Maybe it thought that was close enough!
@@alexanderpbyron Have fun in Chicago, I've been there once. Public transportation trains go from ORD O'Hare into the city centre. Watch for beggars/vagrants, never seen so many in one city as I saw in Chicago.
Not necessarily true, since I'm a car driver and I've used streetcars in the Metro Philadelphia area. And I have nothing against bike lanes, as long as they're not used to obstruct other traffic.
I always had this thing with the old ALRVs and CLRVs and that I would never get on one if the big stop sign on the back windshield was missing but I would always report it so they can bring it into the garage and slap one on there because sometimes when the replaced the glass on that side they would forget to replace the decal and I would either call in to TTC customer service or send an email to customer service telling them the fleet number of the streetcar so they knew what streetcar needed the decal and more often than not a few days later I would see the same streetcar with the same fleet number I reported about with a decal again but the new streetcars have new lights and such that do the same job as that decal did on the old streetcars so the newer ones don’t need the decals but not to say that new streetcars don’t have other decals that need up keeping when they get worn or missing because they do on the doors and some inside the streetcar even on the subways they have those decals on the doors that need replacing if they get worn or missing and so the busses and I always make a note of it and report it so it can get replaced on any TTC vehicle if I see it
The TTC kept using those for way too long. If they wanted to keep them they should’ve renovated them. Glad they are being retired. They need to renovate the T1’s or start mixing them with TR’s.
20mil to maintain aging ALRVs? I'm not trying to tell big decision makers how to do their jobs but why couldn't they fast track the electric buses program with that money? They could have used the electric buses on these same routes they are now using diesel buses.
@@RRansomSmith I'm not talking in general I'm talking in this instant. They spent 20mil at 1mil a piece only to buy about 2 more years for the ALRVs. That was not money well spent. My point is they could have invested that money on new buses since they are already using buses to cover these routes until all the streetcars are delivered.
@@giths19 buses don't last as long as Streetcars and cost more over time so why waste that money when you could spend a little more and have a vehicle last way longer? There's a reason you are not the CFO.