“Everything is so expensive anymore”: The linguistics of “positive anymore”

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🔎 Further Reading
American English: Dialects and variation (3e)
American English: Dialects and variation (3e)
📚 Sources
Wikipedia: Positive anymore
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Wikipedia: Western Pennsylvania English
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Yale Grammatical Diversity Project: Positive anymore
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Strelluf, Christopher. 2019. Anymore, it’s on Twitter: Positive anymore, American regional dialects, and polarity licensing in tweets. American Speech 94(3): 313-351. DOI: 10.1215/00031283-7587883.
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@LinguisticDiscovery 3 месяца назад

Yes, people actually say that. No, it’s not a mistake. No, they didn’t mean something else. No, it’s not bad grammar. Yes, you’ve never heard it before because you don’t speak that dialect. No, it’s not new; it’s been around for decades. No, it’s not slang. No, it’s not illogical. Yes, grammatical rules vary by dialect. Amazing, right?

@jlandi0409 3 месяца назад

Blud just answered every possible thought that came to my head 🐱

@agnidas5816 3 месяца назад

A common mistake is not a dialect. You realize the people who can actually understand the title of the video may actually have something useful to contribute ? No you are set in your "I am always right" egoism it seems. The best ideas come from group discussions and enrichment - not from a single think tank. Without a good environment of conversation the top thinker has nothing.

@estoniass 3 месяца назад

@@agnidas5816 group discussions between the people most qualified. you can debate whoever has "the most qualifications" all you want but i heavily doubt it's gonna be a random pool of youtube commenters. historical linguistics has already established several phenomena in current modern english that would have been considered "mistakes" in older english. but since you seem so confident in knowing what you're talking about, i don't really want to get into the specifics.

@aster7986 3 месяца назад

It's interesting, the first example sounded really confusing to me, but the other examples didn't sound as weird!

@mattiasmartens9972 3 месяца назад

So does it basically translate to "these days?" From how I've heard it I wonder if it has a connotation of lost times... Like one could say "Everyone is afraid anymore" but one probably wouldn't say "This neighbourhood is so calm and peaceful anymore"

@suckedintothevoid 3 месяца назад

I had no idea this was a regional thing! I've heard it all my life in WV and PA.

@johnfitzgerald7618 3 месяца назад

And I've heard it and used it all my life in Southern Ontario.

@k80_ 2 месяца назад

It’s a noted feature of Appalachian English!

@billiepotts1541 3 месяца назад

I was like, yeah that’s fine, probably wouldn’t say it, and then he said Philly, and I was like oooooh

@johnfitzgerald7618 3 месяца назад

It's common in southern Ontario; linguists have collected examples from here. I use it in informal speech; it sounds natural to me. I don't think I would use it in formal English, though.

@maxblechman2665 2 месяца назад

I don't say this myself, nor have I met someone who uses it, but I have heard of it. One thing about my dialect (NYC) that tends to really bother most people is that I would say I'm standing "on line" instead of "in line", which apparently is a New York thing. Anyone else do this?

@ericastewart8769 3 месяца назад

My cousin told me that tonight, we were talking about a mall in Nashville that's closing, and she said she hasn't been over there in a while, "it's dangerous over there anymore" lol

@c.ravenwood 3 месяца назад

I've always used anymore like this! What do speakers of other dialects say instead?

@dollopsofspraycream 3 месяца назад

As a speaker of a dialect without positive anymore, I normally translate it "these days" or "now" - e.g. "Everything is so expensive these days!"

@belizetourism1218 2 месяца назад

Why would you use anymore like that in the first place? What does "any" mean? What does "more" mean. How do those two come together to mean "these days" or "from now on"?

@alexialorentz2428 2 месяца назад

That's normal here in S.E. Ohio!

@nichodemus10 3 месяца назад

I completely disagree with the encouragement of this language. It really is a Jurrasic park moment where were are covsidering if the could when infact they should be cosidering if the should, and in this example they should not. This gets particularly worse when you think about non native speakers trying to learn a language and them being blown away by regional dialects. We should be working on making an inclusive easy to understand language and not encourage an elitist regional language that is harder for people to understand (read as communicate... you know the very reason we have language).

@estoniass 3 месяца назад

that's not realistic at all. people are going to be speaking differently and it's a lot less of a conscious effort than you think. linguistic diversity is not a conscious thing for the most part and even if it is - people often have good reasons for not wanting to adhere to the norm. many regional languages are not elitist, it's more often because the standard itself is elite and societies/cultures who do not conform to that kind of assimilation are not going to conform to the linguistic side of it just because they are told to

@nichodemus10 3 месяца назад

@@estoniass my point is not about forcing everyone to conform, but rather not encouraging division. It is unrealistic that some dialects will exist outside the most mainstreamed version of mostly agreed upon language; but we should not encourage having odd sounding language that regionally excludes/singlesout people.

@estoniass 3 месяца назад

@@nichodemus10 in what way is the phenomenon that is described in the video intentionally trying to divide people? people just happen to speak like this and the point of the short is to not judge other dialects of a language

@nichodemus10 3 месяца назад

@@estoniass he is saying there is language that is confusing to people based on where they are from, and we should do more of that. I am saying we should be more inclusive and not try out new things when things exist that already communicate the message. My thesis is that we should ask ourselves what does 'positive anymore' add to our language? And if it doesn't add anything, and is confusing to people then we should not add it to the lexicon as English is confusing enough without trying to add every regions dialect to it.

@estoniass 3 месяца назад

@@nichodemus10i think you're watching a different short because in no way is he encouraging this phenomenon. he's just saying that it is happening and the other comments attest that it has been a thing for a long time