“Feeding Your Demons” with Lama Tsultrim Allione 

What a great read. Have you found the change has been sustained?

⁠She’s teaching an extremely dangerous doctrine because it is laden with deception. The nefariousness of this philosophy is cloaked in flowery new-age lingo to make it sound harmless. Befriending your demons will only lead to more spiritual strongholds, followed by oppression and then bondage instead of transcendence. These demons will pretend to be your friend until til the end, at which point it’s too late to sincerely turn from your idolatry and ask Jesus into your heart. He’s the only one who has authority over death, because he, as God in the flesh, is the only one who has ever conquered it. All these other gods are fallen angels and not to be yoked with. May the peace you are seeking be found in Christ, who loves to save lost souls when they turn towards obedience in Him and receive everlasting life through him.

Yes, much like IFS.

@@netscrooge what is IFS?

@@kenbrahma5378 Internal Family Systems is an approach to psychotherapy that was developed by Richard Schwartz.

​​@@kenbrahma5378 There is an interesting video where she and Richard Schwartz (IFS founder) discuss the two approaches (demons & parts). If interested, search RU-vid for: "Lama Live! June 18, 2023 with Lama Tsultrim Allione and Richard C. Schwartz"

@Chaim Mendel There can be real demons as well, in addition to the ones that are more symbolic.

I make a tiny adjustment in my mind, to give myself the correct outlook - demon I turn into Daemon, the ancient Greek term. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimon#:~:text=The%20Ancient%20Greek%3A%20%CE%B4%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%BC%CF%89%CE%BD%2C%20pronounced,later%20Hellenistic%20religion%20and%20philosophy. That suits with the IFS notion that the parts are sacred beings. And it satisfies my sense of linguistical propriety.

@@worldofenigma1She’s teaching an extremely dangerous doctrine because it is laden with deception. The nefariousness of this philosophy is cloaked in flowery new-age lingo to make it sound harmless. Befriending your demons will only lead to more spiritual strongholds, followed by oppression and then bondage instead of transcendence. These demons will pretend to be your friend until til the end, at which point it’s too late to sincerely turn from your idolatry and ask Jesus into your heart. He’s the only one who has authority over death, because he, as God in the flesh, is the only one who has ever conquered it. All these other gods are fallen angels and not to be yoked with. May the peace you are seeking be found in Christ, who loves to save lost souls when they turn towards obedience in Him and receive everlasting life through him.

Hello Vanya! Peace be with you. In the bible, it says love* your enemies, but Jesus talks about people. About spirits, the bible says: "put on the full armor of God" because even when we can't get rid of them by ourselves, God can help us (The Lord helped me) It talks about this in the book of Ephesians 6:10-18. :) Lets trust our sweet Lord. God bless you Vanya.

Sorry to hear that.

I heard others can. Do the practice again. One can laugh too in the next one for example. You’ve gotten into a deep layer.

yes, I did too. ❤️‍🩹💗💖

Hello Jaime, I thought I might be able to help a bit. You might have missed this bit, where she says at about 14.30, that our demons are not something external, they are the energies of fixation. What I understand (from my western interpretation) is that what she's calling demons are the parts of me or you that are holding us back from our wholeness because of how we feel about them, so by befriending and feeding it we change our relationship to the parts of ourselves that we feel overwhelmingly negative about and so we turn them into our own internal monsters. I sincerely hope this makes some sense to you and is of help. It's really hard to put these things into words, I find, and we all speak a bit of a different language no matter where we're from. Very best wishes, Sue.

Jaime Flor

Perhaps you could experiment with relaxing your conceptual mind, your concept of what a demon is or isn't.

Yes. You may also realize in the process that there are also other ways to nourish, be more kind or other tricks to help your body and spirit for less pain.

Yes, although the point here is to *transform* it. If you can't see it, you can't change it. This is a powerful practice.

Kerrie Redgate : yes. You don’t embellish in the demon/dark, you recognize it (we all have shadows) and learn what it truly needs - ie peace. Love etc..

Seems to me you didn’t hear her out at all! ;)

Wow. How did you deal with this demon to make it leave? Did you ever see the demon, and if so then what did it look like. I think I have some kind of entity/spirit that I am trying to deal with but maybe more animalistic - so maybe either a deceased animal (spirit attachment), or maybe one of the lower demons (or 'unclean spirit' mentioned in the Bible). I have come across an idea that the lower demons can look like animals. Another idea is that a demon can take over the spirit of an animal (maybe a more Christian point of view but could be true). So I am confused about what this is.

worldofenigma1 The original demon showed up as a huge black wolf in the corner of my room during a dream. Super creepy realistic. To be honest, the way I got rid of him was just annoying him. I wasn’t afraid, and he couldn’t take my soul, which was proven during that dream. Most of the time I just chatted with him, whether he answered or not. Eventually he just got fed up with me not being afraid and just left. The new one, who I don’t know much about, keeps moving my items around. I lost my freaking keys. I NEVER lose my keys, the are always attached to my purse. It’s not a small set either. And other objects that I KNOW I put somewhere specific tend to go missing. I probably need to banish him, but sage gives me a bad headache and I am quite lazy and just don’t care that much. He’s not doing major harm, just making me lose things. I am no expert on demons, as I haven’t really studied. I often think that they like to act animalistic you scare humans. Try just talking, and don’t expect an answer in a conventional way. Often they come as very quiet thoughts, or dreams.

@@amberblyledge7859 Interesting. This is not in my dreams but also does not move any objects as far as I can tell. I mean sometimes I forget where things are but usually they turn up somewhere. As far as I can tell it does not understand anything I say. It follows me around the house, like in the kitchen and under the units / kitchen sink for example (staying in the darker places). I don't really see it but hear sounds of it bumping around under the units for example when I am doing things there, or feel its effects on my energy (sucks my energy).

Any of our little shadows (anger, depression etc) are all “demons” in this practice.

@@worldofenigma1 Sage clears negative energy & entities. When i do Chod, i use both Tibetan incense & Sage.

Hello Donald, I know there are people who lack the capacity to visualise, and it sounds like you know very well that that's you. My guess, though, is that you might have very good language skills as compensation, and I suggest that maybe you can use these to do the exercise, creating a vivid dialogue between your 'self' and the 'demon'. I think this might be like having a phone conversation, where you cannot see the other person, but you can use all your other intuitive skills to understand them and be understood by them. I hope this is of some help, best wishes, Sue.

+Sue Mansi That's very helpful. Thank you Sue.

It's a pleasure. Let me know how it's going if you feel like it!

I think that the whole practice can be performed in a lucid dream where you are fully aware being in a dream and where there is no any obstacle for visualization.

Andrzej Sati

Ruben, from my experience. I think that this practice can help with the internal/subjective aspects of those things. For example, if you have emotional patterns that prevent you from exercising and/or eating right, you can use the Demon Practice for that. Or, I find, I get nervous alot, when it comes to work tasks. Be it just performing and/or finding a new job. So I sometimes use the practice for my anxiety and nervousness relating to the job.

One by one. Chaos is hard to listen to and decipher. One by one you can listen to each and liberate them.

One - and who ever you think is strongest first. Or it may just come anyways.

I would really recommend buying her book, it explains the process quite clear and helps you out with these questions :-)

Just allegory

If sub atomic particles can be in 2 different places at the same time , why not people?

+Pabitra Bag Interesting...

+Pabitra Bag I appreciate your comment! But to be precise, Lama Allione is quoting someone else who spoke before she took the stage, who said that Gandhi prayed every day to be more womanly. We don't know the context in which that information was shared. Still, from what I know of M.K. Gandhi, this seems not unlikely, because of the old association of "woman" with the "feminine," and his desire to avoid humiliating his opponents, rather acting in such a way as to help oppressive forces to see their own wrongdoing, and therefore begin to see the people he represented. In other words, he wanted to make a connection between opposing forces, which some would label a "feminine impulse." Gandhi said of his wife Kasturba, whom he physically beat whenever he felt the need to assert his authority (as was the custom of his time) at least until the age of 30 as far as I can tell, that she had taught him the most about compassion, and the power of nonviolence. Kasturba never fought back according to him, and eventually, he was able to see how wrong he was to assault her like that. He was deeply ashamed of this. But it lends credence to the idea that he might have prayed to be "more womanly," in the sense of being able to take on unjust suffering and to still choose to love--that was part of his ideal of satyagraha, or nonviolent resistance. It doesn't seem so far-fetched to me that he might have prayed to "be more womanly." The story that Lama Allione herself told about Gandhi is quite authentic, and I don't think she intends to portray him as a crusader for women's rights or something, but to illustrate a different way of approaching conflict, which has to do with the practice she offers in this lecture.

I wonder if he prayed to be 'womanly' or more 'feminine', or even perhaps motherly? In the metta sutra Buddha suggests we strive to attain the loving-kindness like that of a mother for her only child. In this way, many Buddhists are aspiring to be more loving - a trait associated with the feminine aspect of our being. I too aspire to cultivate this aspect. It has been from woman that learn the most about this precious mental factor. Tara is the mother of all Buddhas.

What's wrong with the title?

When she casually said the AIDs patient died one year later..I was cringing so bad because she didn't tell the cause of death. You can't just sit there and claim "this is proof he was healed" without giving that important detail. 🤷‍♀️

Actually NLP is full of borrowed/stolen methods as it is basically a 'Modelling' project, that is to say taking the simple instructions from methods developed elsewhere by others, eg virginia Satir, Frank Farelly, Milton Erikson, etc. I cannot say where Fritz Perls originated the 2 chair method but he was not unfamiliar with eastern teachings. Certainly this Tibetan method predates both by an order of several (6?) centuries!

Hahaha. This technique was invented in Tibet by a woman practitioner, hundreds of years ago and she just has modernized it so no one need learn Tibetan or have to find a thigh bone to use as a musical instrument. There's a lot that's been "discovered" in the last several decades which existed long ago. This is not a complaint on my part -- it's a great thing that these skills are getting known by a wider audience.

NLP predates the 11th century?

LOL. Buddhism goes back way further than the 1970s.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%B6d