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“He earned $17k last month. Why are we fighting over $14?” 

I Will Teach You To Be Rich
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Ramit Sethi of I Will Teach You To Be Rich talks to Kara and Drake. They are 38 and 37 with two infant children. Kara used to earn as much as $20k in a month, but has pulled back on work since becoming a mother-leading to painful identity issues. Drake has picked up the slack, but gender roles loom large in their at-home dynamic.
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@ramitsethi
@ramitsethi Год назад
0:00 Please remember: These are real people who had the courage to come on my podcast and ask for help. Would you be willing to come on this podcast and share every detail of your financial life? Feel free to leave comments based on what you think, but remember that we are here to help in a supportive way, not to demean and criticize. Download the Conscious Spending Plan so you can use your money GUILT-FREE: iwt.com/csp-youtube
@angelarogerson6861
@angelarogerson6861 Год назад
This is a lot more about finances. A LOT!
@venivediveciprather4741
@venivediveciprather4741 Год назад
It has taken a long time to accept me for me and grow. I would absolutely share because these stories help me so much. I am nowhere near perfect. I'm not even in a place to judge if there is one. My point is not meant for criticize. I am familiar with her. She is me. Much love
@user-il9ih5mt5f
@user-il9ih5mt5f Год назад
The most iconic line from Crazy Rich Asians is where Astrid says “It’s not my job to make you feel like a man. I can’t make you something you’re not.” and I think that applies here.
@arkangelmerici1170
@arkangelmerici1170 Год назад
What a bomb of a phrase!!
@Halonablack
@Halonablack Год назад
Wow. ❤
@shaynia-shai
@shaynia-shai Год назад
Dynomite!!!!🎯🎯🎯
@khaleesiy.7886
@khaleesiy.7886 Год назад
Damn
@joimonae4090
@joimonae4090 Год назад
Okay so question 🙋🏽‍♀️ when women say that they can’t be submissive or feminine if the men they are with don’t make them feel that way if the men doesn’t make her feel that she can rest in her feminine energy is that what you would tell those women the same that men can’t make a woman feel like a woman ? What did Aretha Franklin mean in her song you make me feel like a natural woman ?
@savvysalena6682
@savvysalena6682 Год назад
He said "I don't know how to be a new husband, new father and new business owner at the same time". Yet Kara is having the same experience and is expected to carry it all while he figures it out. :(
@justinsaunders9358
@justinsaunders9358 Год назад
Who is expecting that of Kara?
@bunnybaker2289
@bunnybaker2289 Год назад
Right? She has it together and wants him to match energy’s, not necessarily income.
@stephyworld8713
@stephyworld8713 Год назад
​@@justinsaunders9358well everyone, including him
@shashakeit013
@shashakeit013 Год назад
@@justinsaunders9358Her husband? Everyone around her? They rely on her income in addition to his.
@mikaelaziegler9782
@mikaelaziegler9782 Год назад
@@justinsaunders9358 if she doesn’t do it then who will? Drake isn’t stepping up
@phiakate5921
@phiakate5921 Год назад
She is crafting EVERY response to please her husband. She is editing herself too much, just say it. This is the moment.
@emiliedeangelis6268
@emiliedeangelis6268 Год назад
Anytime a man says, “I’ll reach my potential when she appreciates me the right way.” Sweet Jesus. He just blamed her for his insecurity that he can’t succeed on the level she has.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
These red pill misogynists always complain about "emasculation", but that very notion of NEEDING a woman who is supposedly weaker to do something to help you do what you sre already supposed to do as an adult is self emasculating. Then they wonder why its a turn off?!
@TheForkOnTheLeftist
@TheForkOnTheLeftist Год назад
yup just as stupid as women saying love me at my worst or you don't deserve my best i agree
@sardonumspa8113
@sardonumspa8113 Год назад
Yet we hear all the time from you all: “I will be feminine for the right guy”??? 😂
@kareemabdulwahhab6919
@kareemabdulwahhab6919 Год назад
@@sardonumspa8113lmaooooooooooooooo
@Laughing_Individual
@Laughing_Individual Год назад
​@@sardonumspa8113😂
@ambibambi14
@ambibambi14 Год назад
She’s everything, he’s just Ken. But seriously, the end of this episode when he was focusing on not getting enough attention and kisses when she had just had a baby was so hard to listen to. I would recommend the book “Fair Play” by Eve Rodsky. It helps couples achieve equal division of labor in the home. It’s hard to bicker about who does more/who doesn’t do enough when it’s laid out in black and white what each person’s responsibilities are.
@mikaelaziegler9782
@mikaelaziegler9782 Год назад
I cringed at that, I’m not a mom but to expect your partner to playing high praises when you give her no emotional attention or appreciation… dude come on. She’s busting her ass and working hard and making money AND gave birth, where are her kisses and hugs?!?!
@ShirellW
@ShirellW Год назад
Fair Play is good. I thought it was extremely helpful.
@isabellarosa9378
@isabellarosa9378 7 месяцев назад
I have a really hard time empathizing when a person is holding on to the idea of give me before I give to you and traditional gender roles.
@lowlowseesee
@lowlowseesee 3 месяца назад
yeah its easy to spout barbie isms instead of pay attention lol. this woman admitted that showing affection presents a loss of control for her. they are both flawed and any other conclusion would reveal bias
@rebekahyoungers831
@rebekahyoungers831 Год назад
He wants her to kiss him on the neck for earning 17k last month, but how does he show appreciation for the fact that in the last month, she had a baby and is taking care of a newborn, a toddler, and managing to still keep her business going on top of it? She seems like a dynamite woman who has been holding the family together, and he’s the one expecting accolades? The audacity! The only reason he was able to earn that much money was because she was taking care of everything and everyone at home. It’s her win as much as it is his.
@rosesarebluesometime
@rosesarebluesometime Год назад
THANK YOU! THIS!
@cstrdmnd
@cstrdmnd Год назад
Not to mention…she was making $20k a month before!! For years!!
@aziza2522
@aziza2522 Год назад
Men believe its an obligation women must perform...no praise for something that is expected out of women... Patriarchal idealistic views are so constricting...
@khaleesiy.7886
@khaleesiy.7886 Год назад
More like he wants her to kiss his ass.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
​@@aziza2522- perform praise even when he is undeservjng
@erinriley332
@erinriley332 Год назад
This made me so sad - I was exhausted just listening to Kara. Drake was making her responsible for his feelings, and seems either totally unaware or comfortable with that. And then he calls her controlling! I completely understand why she bristles at being constantly asked to demonstrate her appreciation for him when he doesn’t even seem to recognize, much less appreciate, all the work she is doing.
@weepangoons
@weepangoons Год назад
This woman is so hard on herself! When we’re so hard on ourselves that leads to being hard on others as well. I read this quote recently that I think is apt: “You deserve to be in environments that bring out the softness in you, not the survival in you.”
@danielromerosol4158
@danielromerosol4158 Год назад
I think that is the price of “excellency” that all the minorities grow in to. There is the idea that soft is weak. Is frustrating to see people trying to feed in to rolls that someone else made
@weepangoons
@weepangoons Год назад
@@leedsdrumacademyIndeed. That’s why learning how to practice self compassion is so important.
@SaintsandSushi
@SaintsandSushi Год назад
Her partner doesn’t allow for her softness to come out. He is not taking the lead on anything and uses ADD as an excuse to not take care of things. She has to remain in control because otherwise they will lose everything she worked so hard to get.
@Mothermochi
@Mothermochi Год назад
@@SaintsandSushi and then blames her for not being soft enough. And I finished both parts of their episode, and he just strikes me as being highly manipulative. His grievances are more about the gender roles and resistance to being a team player for her because he feels “emasculated” I think it’s very much intentional. He talks a lot about seeing the “big picture” but the big picture is one in which she is submissive to him regardless of the practicality of that.
@mmp495
@mmp495 Год назад
💯
@JustAGrl007
@JustAGrl007 Год назад
I really hate masculine and feminine energy talks. Because anything surrounding hard work and earning money is always considered masculine. I also really hate it when she said WE did things only SHE did. I’m glad Ramit pointed that out but I also was pissed looking at him knowing he didn’t do any of that, but wanted the credit. ADD does not excuse you from helping out around the house! And then he gaslights her and turns it around and says he feels emasculated when she’s asking for help. I don’t see these two lasting in this marriage.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
Spot on! Whats worse is what they consider "masculine' is just being a responsible adult. Yet, when even do a half decent job, its considered a part of manhood
@ReemTahir
@ReemTahir 2 месяца назад
I agree. She should just accept that she’s a responsible person and he’s not- that’s it. This whole gender thing makes no sense in their case, because when they got together he wasn’t the breadwinner anyway. They never really adhered to gender roles when she was the one paying for the majority of their lifestyle, but are using that framework to deny the reality of their very unhappy and exploitative relationship, just so they can both feel better about it. I swear a huge chunk of couples on this show is overly responsible, neurotic women and their check out, resentful underachieving men.
@katiethies3744
@katiethies3744 Год назад
Ramit is usually very good, but he completely missed the mark on this one. He’s following Kara’s lead, but Kara doesn’t have the language to explain that she’s being manipulated and gaslit by her husband. He is incredibly blame-focused, self-victimizing and has tricked her into doing all the housework and child care. He weapons his masculinity to make her do more. When she asks him for help, he gets upset with her for “nagging”. She can feel that she has a loss of identity because of all this gaslighting, but she mistakenly ascribes it to being a new mom or not being in LA. She has a loss of identity because her feelings get invalidated and weaponized against her every day. She’s told her feelings are wrong, so she doesn’t trust her feelings. So now she just knows she’s unhappy, but she doesn’t know why. There is a reason every therapist has called this guy out and why he refuses to go back. This guy is textbook. And his calm demeanor now is to make her look dramatic. I’m confident he’s a lot less calm behind closed doors It seems like Ramit caught a glimpse at the end when Kara opened up about her feelings and Drake immediately started whining about his masculinity in response. Drake can’t even hold space for Kara long enough to care about her identity crisis. Because he only cares about & feels bad for himself. I hope Ramit unearths it in the next episode. But even if he doesn’t, I hope Kara starts trusting her gut more and stops listening to this man who does not have her best interest at heart. We have all been here Kara and you are stronger than this man wants you to believe you are ❤ And the reason she doesn’t want to kiss him is because she’s sick of giving him every single little thing he wants all of the time EDIT: I would also bet money that he uses the fact that SHE chose cloth diapers + food prepared from home to mean that… she does all of it. There’s always a justification. And she always gets the short end of the stick
@nicolebrightman9142
@nicolebrightman9142 Год назад
Yes to this.
@Shealynne7
@Shealynne7 Год назад
As a man who to my knowledge is not specially educated or sensitive to such topics, he did a remarkably fast job to calling it out around the 58 minute mark. Husband is so concerned about his masculinity and has no concern for Kara's quite understandable emotional responses during a physically difficult time. Yes she said birth was amazing for her, but still the response is absolutely ludicrous. Especially given the criticism of her not supporting him enough in the same time frame. Like what?
@rebecca7410
@rebecca7410 Год назад
He has the same grandiose, subtle, manipulative nature my abusive, very articulate ex husband had. Similar self indulgence and over 'explaining' of his masculinity being attacked if I so much asked for some compassion or consideration as a partner. Watching this on RU-vid after listening to it on the podcast actually made my blood run cold on a number of occasions. I had flashbacks to my ex and the way he used similar tactics to control and belittle me and my needs. He's slick, almost prostelytizing, just as my ex was. Very measured and in control. She reaches out to articulate how she feels, or to as for help, and is shut down by his erudite, gas lighting 'sensitive' mumbo jumbo about gender roles and emasculation. He uses words to control, not his fists. I think Lundy Bancroft dissects this type of abuser well in 'Why Does he do That?'. These men leave you utterly confused, like magicians constantly deflecting from the real problem, which is actually them. They never seem aggressive or angry, but deploy verbal ambushes calmly to make the woman feel she is losing it or being unreasonable. They want things to be in their favour, they like the status quo as it works for them. No they do not wnat to change. Kara's needs and voice will always be invalidated or ignored. She isn't important enough to him to listen to and amend his actions. He's simply not shifting his weight when he needs to it seems, and like you said, weaponising her feelings against her. I think Ramit is aware but may be giving Drake enough noose with which to hang himself. Taking the softly softly approach.
@sussie9895
@sussie9895 Год назад
You hit the nail on the head! Drake doesn’t care about Kara’s feelings.
@btbudgets
@btbudgets Год назад
1000% agree
@monicaherrera2224
@monicaherrera2224 6 месяцев назад
This man is one of my worst nightmares in life. I can think of few things worse than being married and realize your husband is a sexist, inadequate and insecure man-child AFTER getting pregnant with his child
@lowlowseesee
@lowlowseesee 3 месяца назад
a living nightmare for sure
@elleblue
@elleblue 2 месяца назад
I totally agree, he is a complete dusty!!!
@Trix897
@Trix897 2 месяца назад
It’s guys like him that remind me that it’s better to be single.
@manyrubies
@manyrubies Год назад
I couldn’t imagine being so stressed and anxious, caring for a toddler and a newborn that I risked my life 2x to carry and birth, and having a man so cavalierly speak about what I’m not doing for him. Hell no.
@hunt4malikah37
@hunt4malikah37 Год назад
👏🏾 👏🏾
@queenofthousandmoons2231
@queenofthousandmoons2231 Год назад
How would that stress you out. Why can’t women normalize leaving especially if you make enough money to hire a nanny and make more. Women stay in stress talking about love and marriage. She looked stupid crying his actions in a sparking lot like she in high school
@manyrubies
@manyrubies Год назад
@@queenofthousandmoons2231 how would recovering from childbirth while caring for a newborn and toddler stress you out? Is this a real question?
@notyet2345
@notyet2345 Год назад
They make 37k a month between.....just hire a damn maid....but this guy is so committed to gender roles that he doesnt' care about his wifes' mental, physical, financial or emotional well being. I hope she doesn't cave into his demands like most wives do and end up regretting like most wives do
@mizzmolly7649
@mizzmolly7649 Год назад
​@@notyet2345They said they don't earn enough to pay all the bills (which honestly, confuses the heck out of me).
@Hellokitty7163
@Hellokitty7163 Год назад
Drake word of advice from a 50 year old : be less focused on yourself and have empathy for what Kara is doing and has to go through. Many men are like you : be better. You can ! Btw I have ADD too
@CherieMonique5
@CherieMonique5 Год назад
If find it interesting that Drake wanted grace and space to settle into his new role as a father but when Kara mirrored those feelings he brought it right back to his feelings of inadequacy without even acknowledging what she just said! It was also weird that he felt what she said about loosing her identity was emasculating. She said nothing about putting him down. Where did that even come from?? They are going through similar drastic changes and he has no empathy for his partner. I’m sure the whole relationship is not trash but when your partner thinks and operates like this the other partner’s needs and feelings are put on the back burner and often disregarded completely. She doesn’t want to “kiss him on the neck” because the response we just saw is probably like that everyday- and who wants to get close to someone who belittles and gaslights them every day. There’s a reason why he’s fired multiple therapists- they probably recognize that more of the change that needs to happen is with him and he does not like that.
@btbudgets
@btbudgets Год назад
That’s also what I noticed. It’s always about how Drake is feeling. Why is she required to cowtow to Drakes feeling and wants constantly?
@pismobiics825
@pismobiics825 Год назад
He's a narcissist...
@pearlivory3483
@pearlivory3483 Год назад
Yeah I think he already just feels emasculated period because she makes more. His insecurities are shadowing everything. There’s not much she can say or do. He already feels like he’s not enough but instead of wanting to work through that, he gaslights her.
@Orangutanga__
@Orangutanga__ Год назад
@@pismobiics825exactly…and it’s not fixable 😕
@mikew4749
@mikew4749 Год назад
After she accepted that she has demonstrated control in their relationship, Drake, sadly, stopped listening. He didn’t hear anything after that. So when it came time for him to respond, he doubled down on what she said. Essentially saying “yeah. The control thing has made me feel emasculated.” What Drake needs to ask himself is…after that extremely vulnerable moment for Kara…why did he feel the need to double down instead of meet her where she is and come to a place of understanding and helping her?
@courtneydillard5141
@courtneydillard5141 Год назад
How was it not more directly called out that not only is she the breadwinner, but also doing ALL of the unpaid labor around the house? I also wouldn’t want to praise him for literally doing less than her in all categories and for doing the absolutely minimum as a PARTNER. He wants praise for making money and, as she said, he doesn’t offer her any for being the caregiver. The double standard is so gross and should have been more called out.
@Goriaas
@Goriaas Год назад
She's got a big attitude and he doesn't seem appreciative enough. They are doomed as a couple
@sardonumspa8113
@sardonumspa8113 Год назад
@@GoriaasHe will cheat & I don’t condone that but in this case I UNDERSTAND!
@jip230
@jip230 Год назад
@@sardonumspa8113 and you're giving a prime example of why a woman should NEVER help a man achieve anything. Insecure men will only resent you for your help during their hard times and cheat. Insecure men like Drake want a woman to look up to him and think he did it all on his own. Fortunately the internet is forever and someone can look back at this video and see how much Drake needs his wife. She could have put all that assistance she gave to dead weight Drake to herself and her own business
@ChicagoFaucet.etc.
@ChicagoFaucet.etc. 11 месяцев назад
The problem is that he made $17K in one month, which is a lot of money, no matter where you live. But, she used to make $20K a month. So, his $17K is no big deal to her. Her baseline of reality is skewed. Meanwhile, she's stressing over things that are easy. Raising a baby is easy. People just way overcompensate and put way too much thought and stress into it. Keep the infant clean and fed, and include them in your life, and nature takes care of the rest. Honestly. Bottom line. If he scrubbed the walls, she would complain that he didn't scrub the baseboards.
@jip230
@jip230 11 месяцев назад
@@ChicagoFaucet.etc.you’re the first person I’ve ever heard describe raising a baby as easy. Waking up every two hours to feed a child is hard. Changing a sh*tty diaper in a moving squalling child is hard. Paying for daycare when it takes up over half your paycheck is hard. Coming in and caring for a child’s needs when you’re exhausted from your own day, that’s hard. The only people that can describe raising a child today in western society where everything is done by the nuclear family as opposed to an extended societal structure are people that don’t have kids or people that don’t take any responsibility for the raising of their kids.
@SaintsandSushi
@SaintsandSushi Год назад
I was in Kara’s place once. I was the only income earner, pregnant/new mom and the only one doing finances and home ownership responsibilities. I was expected to do everything without complains and also was expected to tip toe around my ex so he wouldn’t feel emasculated. I’m sorry but that’s just ridiculous to expect a woman babysit a grown adult’s feelings when he is not actively working as a partner. Is not the woman being emotional is the guy being checked out. The husband could very well help his wife with the kids but chooses not to…and he will use any excuse (add or business ownership) to not help out. If one partner is expected to multi task and not the other than that’s gender bias at its best.
@mithicash1444
@mithicash1444 Год назад
Might wanna choose the man you have a kid with bettwe next time. Women have all the choice today, and it baffles me every time I see thia kind of situation.
@ILuvMyBrwnSkin
@ILuvMyBrwnSkin Год назад
@@mithicash1444 So no responsibility for the man. Got it 🙄
@SaintsandSushi
@SaintsandSushi Год назад
@@mithicash1444 yeah sure is all my fault 🤦🏻‍♀️ Your lack of common sense and understanding on how relationships actually work is mind blowing. Is not my fault a grown ass adult decides to act like a juvenile while in a romantic relationship. Nice try pretending you know better 🤡
@isabelreyes6387
@isabelreyes6387 Год назад
@@ILuvMyBrwnSkina man isn’t going to change who he is for a woman if he doesn’t want to so why choose a man you feel needs to change?
@ILuvMyBrwnSkin
@ILuvMyBrwnSkin Год назад
@@isabelreyes6387 What does that have to do with holding both parties accountable? It still takes two to tango
@MissKashira
@MissKashira Год назад
45:00 She is a better woman than me because at the moment he complained she only celebrated him, congratulated him, but didn't kiss his neck, I would have destroyed what was left of that man's ego. You want her to go out and bake you a cake while doing everything you do AND cooking, cleaning and raising the kids? You feel insufficient because you *are* insufficient. And it's not about the money you make. It's about the weight you carry in the relationship and right now you're in negative numbers.
@TastyFarts5
@TastyFarts5 11 месяцев назад
This is why high earning men shouldn’t be with masculine women. Masculine women deserve feminine men. Men they can lead.
@djamilah225
@djamilah225 8 месяцев назад
very true
@jasminerivera5893
@jasminerivera5893 7 месяцев назад
👏🏽
@rickjames4031
@rickjames4031 5 месяцев назад
Yes.
@stephyworld8713
@stephyworld8713 Год назад
I feel like this "control" issue is a Red Herring.. Most women in Kara's situation would have a hard time feeling SAFE enough to lean on Drake. I don't see how trying to budget their income especially with his variable income is control. Same with asking to try and earn more money or helping around the house etc.. Let's be honest, she's not really controlling, she doesn't feel safe.
@mikaelaziegler9782
@mikaelaziegler9782 Год назад
Yup, he doesn’t contribute in a sustainable and consistent way and gives her passive answers. She can’t put in him, which makes her feel very vulnerable and scared. Therefore she does the cloth diapers, the food prep, the budget as a means to feel in control
@mel.alisha2992
@mel.alisha2992 Год назад
That was my first thought, “She doesn’t feel or trust him.”
@msteel-i3y
@msteel-i3y Год назад
100% agree, I was thinking the same thing! She doesn't trust him as a provider enough to let go (and with reason).
@daej5702
@daej5702 Год назад
You are spot on, I’ve been there and it’s quite frustrating
@lifeviasoul
@lifeviasoul Год назад
spot on!
@MommaBeeb
@MommaBeeb Год назад
Just the bit ALONE that they have a 4 week old baby is crazy. I don’t know how I’d even have been on this podcast when my baby was only about a month old. I was in pure survival mode still, and I’ve only got the one baby. I have no idea how anyone does the newborn stage with an older baby as well. This momma is not getting enough credit for the load she is carrying for her family!!
@jasminerivera5893
@jasminerivera5893 7 месяцев назад
Agreed !! She is soooo strong
@MsDEV89
@MsDEV89 Год назад
The fact that Drake had a $17k month right before or during the first 4 weeks of his child's life speaks VOLUMES. This is a woman with BARELY ANY support from her partner. Kara just spoke so candidly aboout her loss of identity and this manchild replied with "feeling unappreciated and emasculated." WTF IS HE TALKING ABOUT?????
@jeromehenry4484
@jeromehenry4484 Год назад
Sarcasm?
@lisarussell5741
@lisarussell5741 Год назад
Good point!
@lisarussell5741
@lisarussell5741 Год назад
@@DrakeMurphyOfficial Such a hard episode to watch bc you made it all about you and your needs. You didn’t listen to your wife at all. Hopeful ramit made an Impact and you made a change.
@mr.roberts3886
@mr.roberts3886 Год назад
I know right? A woman's feelings are always more important than how a man is feeling. He just needs to shut up and listen...........😶
@2prettie
@2prettie Год назад
​@@mr.roberts3886That's not at all what is being said.
@chloeyloman
@chloeyloman Год назад
It seems like she (rightfully) holds a lot of resentment towards him for wanting acknowledgement and appreciation that he not only refuses to give to her but also degrades her for. This episode broke my heart for her, she’s being forced to dim herself and walk on eggshells for an insecure man who would rather force her to be less so that he can feel better. He doesn’t look at her like a partner or like something to be cherished and it’s no wonder therapists wouldn’t “take his side”.
@bbalokabeleka1979
@bbalokabeleka1979 Год назад
You took these words right out of my mouth.🤷
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
He wants praise for doing nothing. Wants to be thr king but doesn't want to go to war. It's the new male pathology they call red pill. We used to call it misogyny
@Wwaywardaf
@Wwaywardaf Год назад
“But I know he heard he’s not doing anything.” BUT HE’S NOT DOING ANYTHING!! Dude…you don’t get the respect like your father had just because you exist. Grow up.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
This is what grinds my gears the most about all of this new age misogyny they call the "red pill." They want to be kings, but they dont want to go to war. They want praise for doing nothing. You should just respect them because they are male. Respect is earned
@RealityCheck1993
@RealityCheck1993 Год назад
I hope that it's not too negative to say I look forward to the death of the masculine/feminine energy Internet discourse. I know that's not all she meant by that, and I know it predates this generation or even the Internet, but it's tragic to watch people limit themselves or others based on some imaginary benchmark of what "should" be.
@hennaverse6759
@hennaverse6759 Год назад
This is such an important comment! I support.
@0967char
@0967char 10 месяцев назад
They don’t like each other; they both chose the wrong partner to enter into marriage. She said, at one point, they have a “a crazy relationship that worked”, but they just don’t seem to be a good fit for each other. The only thing she could reference as amazing since they’ve been married is becoming a mother, nothing about being a wife.
@o67910
@o67910 Год назад
Drake has no empathy for his wife who had a baby 4 weeks ago. She does not feel safe letting go control because he constantly makes excuses or says he does not see the same problems she does. He is not ready to admit he is disappointed in himself and he is taking it out on his wife. DRAKE- Please read "Fair Play" or "Drop the Ball" if you are interested in saving your relationship and understanding why your wife is so upset with you.
@truebengalsfan
@truebengalsfan 11 месяцев назад
You can't complain about having control if you don't want to give it up she been with this man for how many years so she should know what kind of man he is
@travelwithedz
@travelwithedz Месяц назад
He needs to leave this man.
@Blackngolden
@Blackngolden Год назад
Imagine arguing to be the leader but lacking the critical thinking and attention to detail skills to know how to be a leader. Sheesh, I hate this for her
@notyet2345
@notyet2345 Год назад
Bingo....any man that wants his wife to give up a 20k a month business to wash his crappy underwear is not leadership material. He made 17k one time where as she has been making 20k a month consistently even before she met and married him. So based on him making 17 one time, she is supposed to give up her business that makes 20k a month. This dude is going to lead both of them to the poor house. I hate that women can see their husbands suck as leaders and to maintain gender roles, will still allow him to lead.
@lifeviasoul
@lifeviasoul Год назад
Say it again!!!
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
Yup its the same old fantasy story these red pill misogynists want to love in. They want to be the king, but they dont want to go to war. You should just praise them for existing.
@SuzanneU
@SuzanneU Год назад
The thumbnail is misleading. It implies that this income is standard for Drake, which is not the case. Drake earned $17,000 one month but that's anomalous. He usually makes around $4,000. Kara has a steady income of around $5,000, which makes her the usual major income earner. He wants extraordinary praise. What does he give Kara for her carrying the family on a steady basis?
@btbudgets
@btbudgets Год назад
This is exactly it. He wants to be praised constantly for doing his part of the partnership.
@paiged3276
@paiged3276 Год назад
I agree with you that Kara has the consistent income; however, that does not change the impact that he has on their household. They need a lot of counseling to find out how to productively communicate their expectations for each other, financially emotionally and physically. The way this was worded, makes their relationship seem transactional. He shouldn't have to earn more to feel appreciated, and she should feel she is losing her identity by showing appreciation to him. I would like to know how he helps her feel appreciated as well, because she doesn't say a lot about how he helps.
@robertndikolansubuga909
@robertndikolansubuga909 Год назад
A relationship based on how much your Partner earns is most likely to fail..money is just a tool and ple need to be supportive of each other..it sucks when a person ever brings out any good deed he/she ever did in your life
@bayleymacintosh5622
@bayleymacintosh5622 Год назад
They both should give eachother appreciation. He definitely needs to start, though, because shes obviously feeling resentful.
@Theworldismine5
@Theworldismine5 Год назад
@@robertndikolansubuga909No people need to be reminded especially men . They feel as is those good deeds are to be expected! NO
@sheislaki
@sheislaki Год назад
A woman having a baby, let alone two, means ZERO to a lot of men, sadly. Carrying and delivering a baby is literally mind blowing! And let’s not talk about all of what a woman goes through before, during and MONTHS after mentally, hormonally and physically. That’s in addition to CARING for the baby(s), husband, house, and in some cases, a full-time job!
@Dan16673
@Dan16673 Год назад
Men cant comprehend but you are correct
@TheForkOnTheLeftist
@TheForkOnTheLeftist Год назад
no you think having a baby makes you god just like most women. it doesn't. you're doing something peasants can do. something animals have always been able to do. get over yourself
@sardonumspa8113
@sardonumspa8113 Год назад
Two babies she says are being taken care by the NANNY SHE CALLS OUT BY NAME??? Poor her! 😅
@Haattuf
@Haattuf Год назад
That's a burden you put on ur self. You don't have to play the masculine role and the feminin role at the same time. Stay in kitchen and raise the beatifull children. And give them a good care. As traditional men, leave the rest for us, provisioning and protecting.
@purgatoryprince
@purgatoryprince 11 месяцев назад
We don't care
@ElinorFitzgerald
@ElinorFitzgerald Год назад
He wants to be a provider, but he seems to be making this all about him. I don't see him providing any emotioal support to what his wife is going through. I don't think he's mentioned their kids once the whole convo. It's a red flag they have seen multiple therapists and he refuses to believe that he needs to change. I want this to have a happy ending but i am not hopeful.
@bunnybaker2289
@bunnybaker2289 Год назад
Yeah I mean if all previous therapists pointed to him as the primary issue, that’s hard to ignore. Not that he can’t come around, it just seems that he refuses to because that would hurt his ego to admit where he’s lacking.
@mikaelaziegler9782
@mikaelaziegler9782 Год назад
@@bunnybaker2289 that’s exactly it. He didn’t like being called out
@QueenOfNarnia49
@QueenOfNarnia49 Год назад
what i hear is a woman diminishing herself so her husband feels better about himself??? its so weird.
@phiakate5921
@phiakate5921 Год назад
Same
@vvilma888
@vvilma888 Год назад
He doesn’t like her.
@arkangelmerici1170
@arkangelmerici1170 Год назад
Thank you!! The way he talks tells me that not only he envies what she is and can do but also hate her.
@mamalovesthebeach437
@mamalovesthebeach437 Год назад
I understand Kara’s pain. It was a pivotal moment when she sorted it out. Being vulnerable isn’t something she’s very practice at doing so it was really a golden moment. I was heartbroken when Drake missed the opportunity to acknowledge Kara. It’s been over 27 years since I gave birth to my son. I still remember the joy and the beauty of being a new mom. I also remember the agony of postpartum depression, the frustration of not being able to “do it all”, the anguish of leaving my old life behind. Being a mom is the best thing I’ve ever done in my life. I adore my son, and I have loved being a parent. That said, it is typically the woman that gives up her “old life“ but is expected to revel in her husband’s continued progress. It’s difficult to make that shift instantly. Kara and Drake are courageous to come on your show and be so honest and open. I hope that Kara realizes what a gift she’s giving to new moms listening or watching this episode. Being coachable is huge in personal growth. In my first marriage, my husband refused counseling and refused to talk about anything. He stonewalled me at every turn. After 26 years when my son was only 6 1/2 I left the marriage when he told me he would never go to counseling and to never ask him again. I have been in my second marriage 20 years. We have done seminars and counseling together. It’s made such a tremendous difference in our relationship. I’d like to recommend the Gottman method. As a strong, independent woman, it helped me to focus on my relationship with my husband. I can’t wait to see the second half of this conversation. I have incredible faith that both will come to a meeting of the minds and find that their love is the most important thing, and with that all else can be conquered.❤❤
@JrnieJade
@JrnieJade Год назад
This is so beautiful! Thank you for your insight! 🥹❤️
@tamaragreen8737
@tamaragreen8737 Год назад
It’s hard to acknowledge someone else’s hurt when they’re constantly attacking you and putting you down. She has a lot to do to earn his trust after flipping out over $14, and refusing to congratulate or appreciate him for tripling his income so she can stay at home with the kids. Could Drake have done better? Absolutely. Can I understand why he had trouble instantly flipping into compassion mode after being berated for almost an hour? Yes that too.
@ad2094
@ad2094 Год назад
31:56 I can't help but wonder if this idea that her behaviors are masculine and her "responsibilities as a woman" are feminine comes from Drake
@laraerae4321
@laraerae4321 Год назад
Yup, I think she mentioned at one point "as he says ..."
@EmpressoftheLibrary
@EmpressoftheLibrary Год назад
I'm looking forward to Part 2 and hope this couple can sort things out. Kara had a baby four weeks before this video was recorded. At this point, her body isn’t even fully healed yet from the birth. The baby’s sleep pattern is almost definitely still erratic, so Kara is sleep deprived, and she has to take care of a very young toddler at the same time. In addition, she has become completely disconnected from the person she knew herself to be before becoming a mother. She is at one of the most vulnerable points in her life, and right now, being the man means that Drake needs to give her what she needs to get through this difficult time. There will be other times in their life when Drake is the one in the vulnerable position and Kara will have to set her own needs aside to give him what he needs; there will be times when both are vulnerable and all they can do is cling to each other. That’s what marriage is: going through the highs and lows that everyone has to go through in life and not doing it alone. I truly hope they figure things out.
@jaylarcher7410
@jaylarcher7410 Год назад
I’m looking forward to part 2 as well
@MaggieMagnoli
@MaggieMagnoli Год назад
Couldn't have said this any better!
@Capycorg
@Capycorg 11 месяцев назад
This is a nice balanced perspective!! Id struggle to be as nice as you are...
@sheislaki
@sheislaki Год назад
Is it me or when he got to the part where he was asked about which of his parents earned he wasn’t being dishonest? He said “I believe my father made more.” Then in the next breath said “my mom said the $2,500 check is our money for the month.” 😑
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
I caught that too!!
@bethanyharrison3310
@bethanyharrison3310 3 месяца назад
So many things he said struck me as less-than-truthful. This guy spends so much effort speaking highly of himself that he is dripping with the sweat of insecurity in his fight to prove to everyone else how worthy he is. Never does he realize he's trying backwards. I don't know how to explain what I mean, lol ... He is just putting so much effort into the exact wrong pursuit
@shashakeit013
@shashakeit013 Год назад
This was one of the most frustrating episodes to listen to and I loved every minute 😂 I can’t stand when people are so stuck in gender roles! Why is she considered masculine because she earned more money and speaks directly? Why does she have to take on the primary caretaker and housekeeper role specifically because she is the woman? Marriage and parenthood should be a balanced partnership! Theirs clearly is not. As a mom, I was nodding my head the whole time she was explaining her loss of identity. It’s so true and you really don’t expect it to happen the way that it does. I hope she finds a counselor to speak to about her feelings!
@angelarogerson6861
@angelarogerson6861 Год назад
You can't just erase thousands of years of evolution. It's typically very hard for a man NOT to be the breadwinner. He feels emasculated and there's good reason why. These two have a tough road ahead of them.
@mikaelaziegler9782
@mikaelaziegler9782 Год назад
@@angelarogerson6861troll
@jeromehenry4484
@jeromehenry4484 Год назад
Kara is self-imposing the traditional gender role, not Drake, and she is making herself crazy/resentful in the process. Kara's "loss of identity" is the same thing as Drake's "emasculation" (or for any working man, for that matter). Kara needs to accept that she is just not cut out to be a SAHM and housewife; she can hire someone to do those tasks for their family. Kara should go back to running her business; Drake needs to hire a bookkeeper for his business (not use his wife).
@angelarogerson6861
@angelarogerson6861 Год назад
@@jeromehenry4484 I'm not sure where you got the idea she's not working. She just had a baby so is probably on maternity leave. PS you can't hire a mom.
@ad2094
@ad2094 Год назад
​@@jeromehenry4484respectfully you might be a delusional if you think the gender roles are not coming from Drake. Even as she described herself as masculine she said "as he tells me". And when a man talks about being emasculated, it signals that he is deeply invested in gender roles. It is only with gender roles that the word can exist.
@angelmyers869
@angelmyers869 Год назад
I'm so sick of women being burdened with "being feminine" , not being masculine, etc, etc. She's tip-toeing around his feelings. It's exhausting to even look at. Imagine being in it.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
They dont realize that by saying this kind of red pill misogynistic stuff, they are also saying they themsekves are "feminine", but they will never concede that
@truebengalsfan
@truebengalsfan 11 месяцев назад
He was dumb enough to get with a masculine women and wanting her to be feminine
@lmnicholson4742
@lmnicholson4742 Год назад
Postpartum depression and the loss of identity as a new mum is tough. I hope that they find the middle ground and Kara can stop living in fear for the future. Women need to feel safe in their relationships and it’s obvious she doesn’t feel safe enough to let go.
@truebengalsfan
@truebengalsfan 11 месяцев назад
Women love to have this excuse
@LindyL
@LindyL Год назад
KARA: my 3 year old thinks you are very pretty and tried to kiss the screen to kiss your face.
@stephyworld8713
@stephyworld8713 Год назад
He knows he needs to do better (lift more weight with the money, kids, house chores...) but he doesn't want to do it because it's "emasculating" being told to.. 😑
@denisecampbell9563
@denisecampbell9563 Год назад
But how much higher can he go? He’s projected to make 144k/year and she’s making 84k. This is simply a control issue, and she has a problem releasing the control.
@cornellcornell1
@cornellcornell1 Год назад
@@denisecampbell9563she was making more than his $144k before kids so if her standard of living is lower being with him then yeah that’s a problem.
@nyletakmarie
@nyletakmarie Год назад
Yep, he needs to step up but wants to be seen as a role model without putting in any of the work.
@bunnybaker2289
@bunnybaker2289 Год назад
It’s really childish honestly. In my opinion, chores should be split equitably regardless of how much money is brought in
@angelarogerson6861
@angelarogerson6861 Год назад
She needs to realize you give some things up when you have children. They are number one, not some high falutin' job.
@JKRBW
@JKRBW Год назад
Ugh, the title of this one. I feel like she's being ignored all over again. She wasn't upset about him spending $14. She was upset because her husband ignored her and doesn't value how much effort she put into creating a realistic budget.
@dericflairmultiverse4952
@dericflairmultiverse4952 Год назад
Ramit Sethi is the most financially and psychologically literate cuddly teddy bear ever haha
@anniegoomes8585
@anniegoomes8585 Год назад
Omg when he said that I suddenly felt like a Ramit hug would be such a comforting thing
@BMarie-hr2md
@BMarie-hr2md Год назад
I'm triggered by this one. I'm not going to say anything else about this because it will not be kind.
@ea71
@ea71 Год назад
This was the most frustrating episode to listen to. I feel like women and girls are socialized our entire lives to factor in everyone else's needs before our own. We're taught that this is caring. We "care" so much, we lose ourselves in the process. From early into the episode, Drake revealed so much about himself. My jaw literally dropped when he mentioned his "ADD" and "creative skills" as an excuse for not being able to participate as much in the family finances. I also have ADHD and I have a career as a creative - a freelance wardrobe stylist. I can't imagine using this as an excuse when it comes to running my own business... again, maybe its a pressure that women are just expected to deal with, while men get a free pass. How is it not a huge red flag to the both of them that multiple therapists have said that he needs to change? He doesn't seem open to any kind of criticism at all...How can you grow as a person and as a couple if one partner isn't open to growth? It was so immensely frustrating to hear about how he'd called her "nagging" and accused her of emasculating him.. this seems like the perfect example of gaslighting. HIS behaviors cause her to react a certain way, but then she is the villain for having a totally human response? And she is doing it while raising the children that HE fathered, supporting him to pursue his career, and running her own business while supporting the family financially? Honestly, what is he bringing to the table? Besides his huge ego and self importance? So many men think that just being a man is enough. He thinks that because he is a man he is entitled to her affection and praise. He expects her to tiptoe around his feelings and serve him. What about what your wife is feeling? I can't believe that this is a 38 year old man. The honest truth is that if you told me this were a teenager, I would probably believe it. I really hope that he works on himself. If not, I hope she finds the strength to leave him. It's clear she would be fine without him. She deserves someone who is her equal - and not in a financial aspect, but in terms of maturity.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
Yup, they want to be the king but they dont want to go to war. Just praise them because they are male. This misogynist red pill podcast nonsense is ruining men because it encourages a fantasy world where there is rewards for no work.
@TheForkOnTheLeftist
@TheForkOnTheLeftist Год назад
are you out of your mind? hot girl summer, individualism, literally everything taught in school tells you to abandon traditional gender roles and be a boss bade who cares about nothing but a bag. everything you just said was ridiculous at best
@JustAGrl007
@JustAGrl007 Год назад
Now I also see why the therapist said he needs to change! 😭
@stephyworld8713
@stephyworld8713 Год назад
I feel for Kara 😩 She's been happy being the breadwinner and in control during their relationship until KIDS and reality hits.. Now she realised she needs/wants support from her hubby as well as financial stability and he finds it emasculating. She's overworked, stressed and he's right here chilling, expecting a standing ovation for that one 17k check.. 😮‍💨 Keeping hope for part 2
@thelordraj5412
@thelordraj5412 Год назад
i don't think that's what he finds emasculating. He wasn't able to financial support before but now he finally can so the 17k is a big deal. You've gotta be able to give up control, in a relationship no one should really be in control anyways. They're keeping too many tabs in their relationship. I feel that's the main issue
@stephyworld8713
@stephyworld8713 Год назад
​​@@thelordraj5412but do we know he can financially provide? His gross income is 12k/month and she seems adamant about budgeting because his income is very variable or comes late as they stated. ALSO, what about him not doing any house chores basically putting all the child rearing and house keeping responsability on her?
@mygoodlife204
@mygoodlife204 Год назад
Just get a housekeeper! It's my therapy. I cannot worry about who's turn it is to wash the kitchen floor or the toilet.@@stephyworld8713
@SwaeTech
@SwaeTech Год назад
You’re putting this all on him, the same thing their previous couples counselor did. She is experiencing an identity crisis. He is not ignorant either and has gone through his own personal growth. Not to mention handling his ADD. He still has room to grow, but in this particular situation, she is the orchestrator of her own angst. They have flipped from him having an identity crisis based on her income and masculine tendencies to her having an identity crisis in attempting to embrace her new more feminine role. So he is likely still holding on to his previous angst and desperate to finally let it go through the emotional vomit he showcased at the end of the video. Not saying it’s right, but his emotions are likely bubbling under the surface, despite how calm he seems. They both feel like they’re drowning. Her from the weight of her new life experience, and him from being held on to while she’s drowning. Have you ever tried to save someone while they’re drowning? They have to relax, or you’re both dead. TLDR: She needs to relax and show support. He needs to step up and hold himself more accountable. This is not a you first game anymore. It’s a team effort that has to happen damn near simultaneously. These cycles are tough to break. And both need to remove their ego.
@stephyworld8713
@stephyworld8713 Год назад
​@@mygoodlife204I completely agree with having a Housekeeper or any external help. But I still feel that he should help taking care of his kids and household.
@Wwaywardaf
@Wwaywardaf Год назад
He’s basically saying it’s her fault if he doesn’t earn more money. Talk about a BS transfer of responsibility.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
He needs her to motovate him yet he wants to lead. Its backwards
@darkgodess615
@darkgodess615 Год назад
This is why i and many other women choose to remain single. I feel this so deeply from remembering my 2 marriages. The anxiety and lack of support, the single mother marriages, the gaslighting and refusal to take accountability and improve 😢
@notyet2345
@notyet2345 Год назад
Single child free women are happier, healthier and wealthier than married women. Being married and having kids is no longer a flex for women. Married women with children are nothing more than married single mothers
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
The misogyny.
@TheForkOnTheLeftist
@TheForkOnTheLeftist Год назад
@@notyet2345 if that were true, then women with kids would be the ones ranting and raving online about how sad their lives are. yet it's only the single mothers. wonder how that happened
@notyet2345
@notyet2345 Год назад
@@TheForkOnTheLeftisthow do women become single mothers? Because men abandoned them. Only about 60% of single mothers get child support and the average annual child support payment is 3k-5k a year. Add to the lack of child support, we have to also take in to account that the many fathers have no contact leaving single mothers to raise a child alone. I think given the circumstances single mothers have every right to complain about their lives
@notyet2345
@notyet2345 Год назад
@@TheForkOnTheLeftist Have you notice single child free women are living their best lives? According to a study in Psychology Today, single, child free women are more likely to be happier, healthier and wealthier than married women with kids. And have have you notice more women are choosing to remain child free and many are also choosing to remain single? Marriage and having kids is no longer a prize to women. Good luck on convincing single, child free women to give up their life of ease to get married and have kids only to end up impoverished single mothers.
@TheAllegoristAndMe
@TheAllegoristAndMe Год назад
I did not get a kiss? And then blaming it on her? Ew. Disgust
@1409musiclover
@1409musiclover Год назад
Nah I'm so confused by Drake. Are you actually listening to your wife!? Because obviously you're not.
@iHeartRingette11
@iHeartRingette11 Год назад
Ramit, you completely missed what's going on here. Kara is carrying like 90% of the mental load in this relationship -- consistently earning the main source of income, doing almost if not all the housework, doing almost if not all the parenting, staying on top of the finances. That on-top of being an emotional support for the husband who isn't pulling anywhere near his weight. This is very standard in straight relationships and women are the ones who burn out and suffer, who have to compromise on their own wants and dreams. Kara better be seeing her own therapist individually and understand that this is a great deal for him, and a pretty shitty deal for her.
@kittenwalks
@kittenwalks Год назад
I like Ramit and hes empathetic and kind but misses the mark frequently on gendered issues like mental load (which women mostly carry without being acknowledged or appreciated).
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
They are past therapy. He is a misogynist red piller and she needs to leave
@EllexBee
@EllexBee Год назад
Did he blame his shortcomings on ADD?!😂
@Capycorg
@Capycorg 11 месяцев назад
I am Team Kara, but ADD is a REAL challenge for finances and for being a parent.
@Betybobety
@Betybobety Год назад
Some people get caught up in the perception versus the practice. Now, the man here, may be heading in a legitimately compassionate route, but it sounds like he wants to be perceived as a great man (like dad) versus actually being a great man.
@babyyodachelsea7034
@babyyodachelsea7034 Год назад
All of the therapy sessions have been fix Drake and Drake’s like therapy is the problem.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@rthaiiis
@rthaiiis Год назад
I have a hard time seeing what good he's bringing to this relationship, could anyone honestly enlighten me, please? I can only see excuses, but maybe I'm not empathetic.
@stephanieofili9069
@stephanieofili9069 Год назад
Agree. Just wants to be praised but never praises or helps her.
@btbudgets
@btbudgets Год назад
Agreed. Making money and working hard is great, but you’re doing nothing in the home and making your wife feel guilty for not kissing you when you had a good month. What a skeeze
@saras.141
@saras.141 Год назад
He definitely seems to possess covert narcissistic traits.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
I agree. If he left, she would barely notice. Might even be easier for her.
@denisejo10462
@denisejo10462 Год назад
I know everyone wants to psycho analyze people, but that man is a bum. She wanted a relationship, but ended up with a man with no drive. That’s every woman’s greatest fear.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
Finally someone said it. He is a bum. A misogynist bum
@karlangaspiras674
@karlangaspiras674 Год назад
Ramit shaking his head when he says “its emasculating…” 😁 and then “wait wait wait where is this coming from” - this is gold.
@Carameldamour
@Carameldamour Год назад
That husband ain't listening at all. This is what you get when you marry a man child. She busted her ass for 3 years and he wants to be put on a throne, all because of 1 check. He needs to bring that 17k consistently for 6 months for her to trust him like that.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
A misogynist man child
@mygoodlife204
@mygoodlife204 Год назад
The months after giving birth are the darkest! Do not make permanent decisions during that time.
@bisrat206
@bisrat206 Год назад
This was an amazing show. Their arguments were never over just money but about control and lack of identity. I hope they find their solace as individuals and as a unit. I wish them the best. 💕
@notyet2345
@notyet2345 Год назад
she needs to divorce his ass......he sucks as a man and head of household. He wants her to give up her business that makes 20k a month so that she can devote her life to cooking, cleaning and washing his crappy underwear. All it would take is for them to hire a maid or nanny, problem solved. But when you marry a man that does not have leadership qualities, you will eventually end up impoverished. This is why women should never, ever give up their financial independence to please her husband. The second you give up your own financial independence, you are trapped. He wants her to give her 20k a month business to literally just wash his crappy underwear......she needs to run away as fast she can. She's fortunate in that she has the money to take care of herself and her kids. If she stays with him, she will eventually end up in poverty. This is not a man I would allow to lead my family.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
​@@notyet2345- the worst part about these types is they are completely incapable of doing the basics in life but they want praise all day for it. Anything less to them is "emasculation"
@kennethbland5577
@kennethbland5577 5 месяцев назад
I wish she had divorced him before she had a second kid with him 😢 so sad to see yet another woman make sacrifices to give an undeserving man the life and family he claims to want, with no reciprocity. If her children grow up and see this, they will undoubtedly weep for her. It's one thing to hear your mother tell you about the struggles of parenthood. It's another to have a time capsule of her doing all she can, coddling your father, pleading for empathy and your father not giving a fuck.
@sussie9895
@sussie9895 Год назад
My jaw is on the floor. At first I was thing how Kara needed to be called out for not being “supportive and loving” to her husband’s success, but what came out of Drake’s mouth next just explained everything. Drake doesn’t care about Kara whatsoever. All he cares about is chasing the goal of being the “man”. Ramit did such a good job facilitating, always so impressed!
@marcostorres9532
@marcostorres9532 Год назад
Spot on. He completely dismissed her.
@HMartPennpenn
@HMartPennpenn Год назад
The misogynistic things coming out of Drakes mouth is suffocating ….. Kara deserves so much better than catering to this man-child who takes little responsibilities.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
​@@HMartPennpenn- im so glad to see someone actually call it whatvit is: misogyny
@TheForkOnTheLeftist
@TheForkOnTheLeftist Год назад
@@ecclairmayo4153 define the term and how it actually applies to the situation. I bet neither of you can. why is everyone so stupid?
@onyxhikari
@onyxhikari Год назад
Saying "we" instead of "I" is an argument avoidment. I used to do it and it's a 100% a learned behavior from being consistently beat down from trying to express how you are feeling. His dismissal is apparent. He constantly shifts from this what she said to but what about me...me...me....how I feel...me. They need serious therapy or divorce. This just disintegrate as she is conforming and changing who she is but can't speak and he doesn't know how to listen.
@ShirellW
@ShirellW Год назад
He's a sorry ass and she's foolish for moving forward with this type of dude. Smh
@denisejo10462
@denisejo10462 Год назад
That’s I want to be in a relationship so bad, I am going to ignore the red flags.
@LeeTheLee
@LeeTheLee Год назад
She basically had to depend on someone who refuses to let her know how much money he has earned while being pregnant. Yikes. I know sje was stressed out
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
Whats worse is she knows that he simply doesnt know!
@djamilamones4073
@djamilamones4073 Год назад
I feel a lot of tenderness and compassion for Kara. Strong, intelligent woman, going through massive identity shifts and (as it seems) not getting the supports she needs. Good luck!
@SuzanneU
@SuzanneU Год назад
I totally get what Kara's saying. She feels fragmented, almost destroyed. She barely knows any more who she is. The only constant is that up to last month she's been the major income earner, and there's no certainty that Drake will continue to put in the effort. He said himself that he will only show up for the hard pull of age kisses his neck and lavishes praise in him. Kara lost so much of what she loved, including her father, in a very short time frame. She's reeling in a whole new world. Drake is who he's always been - and she's seeing that in a new way.
@paulaooook
@paulaooook Год назад
Yeah Drake has always been this way and there’s no urgency to change his role.
@terrahillman151
@terrahillman151 Год назад
He’s one of ‘those’ personality types. Entitled, superior, unempathetic, manipulative emotionally. Just a thought.
@SaintsandSushi
@SaintsandSushi Год назад
You nailed it!! He is using emotional manipulation (you are emasculating me..you need to give me a kiss on the neck) in order to keep the current status quo of her doing absolutely everything while he does things if he is given a kiss and a thank you 😒 She said she has not been thanked for all her hard work which led to their comfy lives but yet he would not recognize that or give her what he is demanding of her.
@mikaelaziegler9782
@mikaelaziegler9782 Год назад
@@SaintsandSushi omg that infuriated when he wanted praise for the one month of high income yet doesn’t acknowledge or show gratified for all her work! She’s running her business AND just had a baby AND does majority childcare AND made more money at times!!! He really thinks a paycheck is his value to the partnership but it’s not.
@terrahillman151
@terrahillman151 Год назад
I even get why she’s so frustrated and loses it on little things. The thing he never mentions is how many times he’s actually ‘forgotten’ the joint acct chkbook. He’s absolutely using it as a tool to show her as neurotic esp when he leaves out key details, doesn’t apologize for anything, and escapes any involvement in anything just about.
@hilarystorey4601
@hilarystorey4601 Год назад
I really hope she gets immediate mental health support
@SuzanneU
@SuzanneU Год назад
Hilary, this goes far beyond postpartum blues or even depression. This is very much about the dynamic between her and Drake, and the new circumstances are simply stripping away all the layers of insulation.
@zada4602
@zada4602 Год назад
A lot of unexperienced couples councellors can’t spot a narcicissist in a couple, since narcicissits often seem calm and collected and their spouse, often on a verge of the breakdown tends to seem emotionally unstable and gains attention as a source of the problem. The session started to take a right direction in the end, hope it really did…
@btbudgets
@btbudgets Год назад
Yeah he screams narcissist to me.
@randomsarcasm2022
@randomsarcasm2022 Год назад
I spotted the narc within minutes of pressing play. He's awful.
@sheislaki
@sheislaki Год назад
Yeees! With the “masculine” this, “gender roles” and “I’m a man” that. 😅
@Nithinithinith
@Nithinithinith 6 месяцев назад
@@sheislakigender roles but the wife is the bread winner.😂😂😂
@sheislaki
@sheislaki 5 месяцев назад
@@Nithinithinith 😂😂😂
@cstrdmnd
@cstrdmnd Год назад
I don’t think she wanted to say it…but if I was in her shoes, the reason wouldn’t be because I don’t want to be “the captain”. It would be because I was resentful. She’s been doing it (and MORE) for years and nobody kissed her on the shoulder :/
@lanadecker8800
@lanadecker8800 Год назад
Such a brilliant woman.... Why she couldn't wait for someone better? She doesn't deserve to support 3 kids... One of whom is feeling emasculated and not kissed enough on the neck... I feel so bad for her! He wants respect and admiration and then maybe he will give her something to respect him for...
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
He gives her nothing to praise!
@truebengalsfan
@truebengalsfan 11 месяцев назад
Because he is the only one goNna put up with bs
@fbdueb89
@fbdueb89 Год назад
This whole episode has strong manosphere vibes, and I'm real curious how Ramit is going to handle that in Part 2. 😅
@masterroshi4151
@masterroshi4151 Год назад
Lol right? When he said he wanted appreciation all I thought was 'you can't negotiate genuine desire.'
@tam6011
@tam6011 Год назад
This is normal in most relationships I have encountered. The men want to lead but have no clue about finances. Truth be told will not take advice from you unless someone backs up your point
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
​@@tam6011- another man backs up your point. The misogyny
@darlenesousa8421
@darlenesousa8421 Год назад
Poor woman. So gaslit and she can't see it.
@drcravins
@drcravins Год назад
Drake is acting like a man child. They need individual and couples counseling. He is sexist and insecure yet he married a boss. Now, he wants her to waste time she doesn’t have worshiping him so that he doesn’t feel mediocre.
@namandajames
@namandajames Год назад
This was a good episode! The moment she started talking about masculine energy, I had to take a deep breath. I will say there are some couples that I learn from bc I admire what they do. Then there are others who I learn from bc I see them as a cautionary tale.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
Yes he has been telling her this silly "masculine energy" mess and she actually is trying to appease it. Hard to watch. Cautionary tale indeed
@scentedtemptation
@scentedtemptation 8 месяцев назад
His reaction to her opening up is PURE NARSISTIC response. Turn everything around and make it all about him. He's not even able to acknowledge her vulnerability.
@hrhsophiathefirst4060
@hrhsophiathefirst4060 Год назад
Interesting that so far no mention of him helping a bit more with the chores or the children. Also when she said "we got pregnant" it was like I was walking down the street and the pregnancy hit me. I get it that late 30s is considered "geriatric pregnancy" but a bit more time to find your balance may have been warranted. I see women all the time that as type A they go into child rearing as if it is just another check off to do item and are then overwhelmed, angry and resentful when in addition to their prior earning role they are expected to be the care giver. I chose not to have kids and I have so many friends that tried to convince me otherwise saying it was "selfish". I can list 3 that self-medicate on a daily basis with wine and other crutches. I learnt a long time ago parenting is typically equated with sacrifice mostly on the part of the mothers, thanks but I will always be in my selfish era.
@PayThePiperr
@PayThePiperr Год назад
You're so right about the waiting on getting pregnant. And I appreciate your experience with couples where the woman man many of the sacrifices in the family for children etc. I'm happy to day not in my family between my grandfather and father sacrifice was part of the duty of being father's and grandfather's for them.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
Spot on!!
@thezu9250
@thezu9250 10 месяцев назад
Yeah. I just found it so bizarre that no one talked about him helping out either. But a lot of these men are socialized to not even think about that stuff. Unfortunately, many cultures, reinforce this even more substantially. Oh, they also changed it to advanced maternal age instead of geriatric pregnancy. It’s the same terms they use for men. They basically realized that it depends on your own individual health and there’s nothing unsafe about having a child in your 30s. It’s actually funny but a lot of the data was collected from 1700 French peasants. I personally think it’s bad for women to have kids before 28. So many of them are easy to manipulate at that age and they end up doing a crazy disproportionate amount of labor. Then they end up divorced without a proper nest egg or good career experience.
@theintrovertcruiser4172
@theintrovertcruiser4172 Год назад
Just wondering if he had been celebrating and congratulating her for making 20k a month for years? I think it’s resentment on her behalf. Like why congratulate hime for making 17k once when he has never congratulated me once for making 20k a month for years that allowed him to focus on him and be able to start a business of his own
@sheislaki
@sheislaki Год назад
Exactly!! It seems a if he only wants to be only given praise. Otherwise, him being empathetic or congratulatory is “emasculating.” 🤦🏾‍♀️
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
Nope. When she did it, it was just what she was "supposed to do"
@MrGrr23
@MrGrr23 Год назад
Providing doesn't only mean financially...
@truebengalsfan
@truebengalsfan 11 месяцев назад
Lmao but can you be a provider without it being financially
@LindyL
@LindyL Год назад
I remember when my first baby weaned off of breastfeeding. after about two days I found myself crying in a little ball on the bathroom floor. My boyfriend came in and picked me up and hugged me for the longest time until I came back, I didn't even know where those emotions came from. It was like emotionally and physically my body was in shock from loosing that connection I had with my kid. I felt so bad about myself, the feeling of worthlessness was so real. The emotions we go through as new mothers and also during pregnancy have to be listened to by ourselves and by our partners.
@mauricecuffee7220
@mauricecuffee7220 3 месяца назад
Out of all the videos I have watched, this one really was poignant. The young lady seemed pained. This series is less about money and more about relationships. One thing I see in alot of the videos is that the couples seem to have enough “money”, but money is not the root of the problems.
@catcurlify
@catcurlify Год назад
Holy shit, Drake wants a gold star and a bloody party every single achievement. And Kara needs to be a perfect housewife - - but still bring in money so they can still live comfortably.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
He wants a participation trophy!!
@MissGirl1450
@MissGirl1450 Год назад
When Kara said she insisted on cloth diapers and then later she said she had to make her daughters food for school despite the school providing food and birthing at home, I figured it was control issues. She's feeling so out of control in her daily life, she's choosing other things to be in control of. She's lost her identity and is trying to create "perfect mom" as her new one. I feel for her. I was recently laid off from a job and didn't realize how much I'd used my career as my identity. I hope she can find some grace for her to just be Kara and know that's enough and she will never be perfect. If she can give herself grace, then she can give Drake grace as well. With that, I hope Drake will step up in caring for his family and leave his pride and toxic masculinity behind.
@tam6011
@tam6011 Год назад
Food is a major concern for mothers. I can see that. I don’t see that as control cause she lost it. I look at that protection so she knows if something happens he knows where it comes from vs guessing.
@axolotl_-zo6pp
@axolotl_-zo6pp Год назад
My question is, how does he celebrate her accomplishments?
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
He doesnt
@fakewintertime
@fakewintertime Год назад
Great podcast I loved the way you navigated it! Imo I don’t think it’s as much of a money problem as it is a relationship problem.
@msteel-i3y
@msteel-i3y Год назад
Did anybody else almost chocked when he described his dad and Ramit asked him if he felt that way and he said yes? or was it just me?
@donaldo7656
@donaldo7656 9 месяцев назад
He does not seem very masculine, nor any of those other things that he described of his father.
@sarahk9872
@sarahk9872 6 месяцев назад
I almost spat out my drink.
@vadinandez
@vadinandez 4 месяца назад
Drake, you want to feel like a man? Then BE ONE.
@nish663
@nish663 Год назад
You know what the issue is? My man talks the talk about being the most masculine person. But it is so incredibly fragile.... his masculinity depends on his wife and his surroundings. He has to put people beneath him to feel masculine. That is the weakest kind of masculinity that I can think of. My man, time to grow up.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
Bingo. Either you are masculine with or without her praising you all the time or not
@katnap7157
@katnap7157 8 месяцев назад
Facts, he missed the growth and development part where everyone learns that in order to do well and succeed in life you should be intrinsically motivated. He’s got a lot of growing and work to do but it doesn’t seem like he is willing to do it.
@nathalieisneon
@nathalieisneon 4 месяца назад
She’s a Queen, she’s missing a King. If he doesn’t see how bad this is.. oof.
@Quettasbedhead
@Quettasbedhead Год назад
He married a woman he DOESN'T LIKE
@berrylublee2
@berrylublee2 Год назад
She was spot on. Her feelings have no bearing on him.
@ablkberri9581
@ablkberri9581 Год назад
Shes making so much excuses for him, and shes not speaking her mind /facts. He's a professional bser
@kittenwalks
@kittenwalks Год назад
Poor Kara. Hes manipulative and hiding behind “masculinity” to gaslight his partner. I hope he reads this/
@morgan5885
@morgan5885 Год назад
Ive been binging these... Why is it so common for women to take on the full mental load? This and the last 2 I've watched just have such woman-driven relationship dynamics.
@notyet2345
@notyet2345 Год назад
Is this the one where this dude who made 17k wanted his wife who makes 20k to give up her business so she can wash his crappy underwear? They make 37k between them. Why can't they just hire a maid? Oh because maintaining is more important to him this his wifes welfare. He made 17k one time and she makes 20k consistently.....divorce him....he's will lead you right into poverty. A woman should never give up her financial independence because of gender roles. What happens when this dude decides he no longer wants to take care of a family? She ends an impoverished single mother
@sarahb8073
@sarahb8073 Год назад
Dang he used her heartfelt admission as amo. Listen I think I hated my husband after I had my first kid. He (and I) just couldn't understand why I was so mad at him ao much of the time. Its all the things Kara said. He eventually heard me and things are so much better. We go at things like a team. Its so hard to celebrate your spouses' win when it feels like you the primary everything. In other words find out why healthy lunches are important and just start making them so you can both have fun on the 4th of July
@josavalimaki
@josavalimaki Год назад
In Finland we have this saying "ei lasta eikä paskaa" and that seems to be what that "husband" is producing... (translation: "no baby nor shit" , meaning all the "effort" he has don't produce enough outcome)
@sunshinegrace3293
@sunshinegrace3293 Год назад
Wow! Ramit is so good! Soo soo good facilitating the discussion and getting to the root of issues. Well done to the guest for being so open and vulnerable. I always learn so much from each episodes. I see great qualities and qualities to work on and how actions, thoughts and mindset can make another person feel.
@MichelleBurger-bp7gf
@MichelleBurger-bp7gf Год назад
WOW…. This episode is absolutely sad… I am no doctor but Drake is clearly exhibiting narcissistic tendencies… this poor woman is screaming out and he is only concerned with himself … I am cringing the entire time. I hope and pray they find peace , understanding and happiness … god bless
@rebvanwinkelstein2578
@rebvanwinkelstein2578 Год назад
Somehow he reminds me of Ike Turner 🙈 Fingers crossed for a happy end ✊️🍀
@margsmobilenotary
@margsmobilenotary Год назад
OK, this seems wrong. He made $17K for one month, and she's been puling $20K months at a time. Now they have 2 kids under 2 and all he can talk about is sleeping in, feeling emasculated, and needing a maid. When is he going to help with the kids that he made? When does she get to sleep in? Cara, can't tell you what to do, but it seems that you need to put this man child in your rearview. If he could have made $17K once, he could have been doing it this whole time, but he seems to resent you. I know what it feels like when this happens. Not says it will happen but in my case, as part of his resentment toward me, cheating came into the picture which made everything worse. Good luck on it all.
@ecclairmayo4153
@ecclairmayo4153 Год назад
Exactly!!
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