Yes, I agree - Destiny (Steven) says it like he sees it and does not avoid nuanced conversations. It is great that he came to Hebron and we worked hard all day speaking with many people. This video is just a brief view into his time in Israel. It is not intended to be a debate or a gotcha - it is a serious exchange of ideas. He will post more on his channel.
Yeah. One has in depth knowledge and lives the real narrative every day (Yishai), while the other parachutes in for 2 weeks and says that as an American he doesn't really care how things turn out as long as both sides accept whatever outcome results (Destiny). He is still shallow-minded on this subject, working on the level of Grievances and not on a deeper level of legal rights (that in this case has been established for 100 years in favor the Jewish People), which the Arabs refuse to honor and respect and instead chose and prefer violence and Genocide and the false "Glory" it gives them. Get real. This is not about "Oppressor and oppressed". This is about Criminal-Perpetrators (Muslims) and Victims (Jews). Stop killing Jews and stop taking Jews hostage.
I'd love if they could find 1 Pro Pal interlocutor who has a PHD in history of that region who's able to debate using anything but what they learned on twitter or TikTok. The only person I've seen able to Steel Man the Pro Pal side without sounding like a tweet bot is Destiny lol
@@joesilver4376 Nah bro he is just honest and that is the truth. People virtue signal on all sides from the comfort of their mansions in the USA. The truth is this does not affect them that much in a micro scale. Ofc wars that happening slowly make their mark on the world economy but the truth is simple.
@@joesilver4376 You mean the legal rights granted to Israel by the UN, who now appear to be Israel mortal enemies. Israel happy to accept the UN and International law, as long as it suits their interests. A bit like their sugar daddy, the US f**k*n empire. I mean like you dad, you are believers in might is right, nothing more , nothing less, stop pretending otherwise. The holocaust victims would be turning in their graves.
@@randomhuman2595 If the native Americans had a legal declaration (Balfour) by a global superpower (UK) legally promising them the land after the US (Ottoman Empire) is dissolved following their defeat at the hand of that superpower (UK) and the remnant of the US (Turkey) agrees to grant the rights to the land to the global superpower(UK).. then you would have a valid comparison.
@@BobcatSmokey WTF are you talking about. The Arabs were promised independence if they helped the British defeat the Turks. The Belfour declaration was not a legally binding anything, but a public statement, which the British have since regretted because it did not do enough to protect the Palestinians rights. I mean the Brits, played both sides for thier own benefit. Turks didn't grant rights, the Allies by agreement at Versal ile, took the land, and the UK imperialists were happy to oblige. Stop talking s**t. Israel, was and is, a colonial settlor project, and like all such policy will always meet resistance from the local peoples.
@@royboy4571 You're right that Balfour wasn't legally binding i misspoke there, i meant that it was a legal document through which the British had bound themselves to supporting the Jewish homeland. But other than that let's see McMahon told Hussein that he could have an independent Arab state in whatever borders he proposes but also mentioned that portions of Syria and west of it should be excluded from those proposed borders. In case you're not aware, the whole of Palestine was part of Syria Vilayet at that time. The Treaty of Versailles concerned Germany, Turkey signed two different treaties, the Treaty of Sevres which was not ratified and the Treaty of Lausanne which was. Also the League of Nations covenant, article 20, also approved of granting the British their mandate as the region was severely underdeveloped.
Im glad destiny is having conversations with people who arent absolutely insane but respectfully disagree, i would have wished for more conversation about settler violence from both sides
Settler violence= modern day blood libel. I have lived in a settlement for the last 37 years- exceptionally decent people . All violence is coming from Palestinian terror.
I didn't realize Yishai was the person who Destiny had the back and forth with through their individual videos. Great discussion, glad they were able to sit down together.
It’s cool that this discussion and Yishai meeting Destiny came from Destiny reacting to Yishai on Piers Morgan and Yishai reacted to Destiny reacting to him. Very cool communication and being open to discuss a controversial topic. Interesting, good job.
Israel has offered to return the gaza strip to the Egyptions in the past (it was under Egyptions control until the 6 day war 1967). The Egyptions refused. They know exactly why. They are perfectly willing to let Israel deal with the problem of jihadism and extremism of the population of gaza. I'm not sure that it is in the best interest of Israel to move these people into Sinai, which also shares a border with Israel.
@karimshebeika8010 Israel DISENGAGED from gaza in 2005!!! All civilians and soldiers left! Why do you think Israel did that?? To avoid conflict and avoid having to deal with a hostile population that no peace agreement can be achieved with!! That didn't help! Cause Palestinians want Israel destroyed. Meanwhile, Egyptions allowed the smuggling of weapons and rockets from their border with gaza. The gazans built elaborate tunnel systems on the border. There was no way that Egyptions couldn't notice. Israel has made horrific mistakes dealing with gaza, that's for sure. Like assuming that if gazans will have better life, better economies, and better prospects, they will abandon their desire to destroy Israel. Therefore, Israel allowed dozens of THOUSANDS of Palestinians workers to enter Israel every day. They took in sick people from gaza in Israeli hospitals. Volunteers from the kibbuzim drove them from the border to the hospitals and back to build trust. That was a mistake. We all know it now. They are jihadi extremists, and they have one thing on their minds.
I love Israel. I agree completely with Yishai. By the way I am not Christian, I practice Hinduism. Israel , Judea and Samaria belongs to the Jews and always will.
@@morenitomoreno1282 Where do you get that? The Brits already took away 78% of the Jewish land, to form Jordan. Why should Israel give up one more square centimeter, for a peace that the Arab invaders will never give her?
why are people responding to this like its not an israeli bot, Yeah you practise Hinduism and your youtube names is TheIsraelProphetess. Firstly Spelling Prophets wrong in your name, and not even spelling Sumaria correctly, clearly either a) israeli bot or b) a certified moron
@@deborahfreedman333 I'm just stating the most obvious fact ever. You think israel can remove millions of arabs from the West Bank peacefully? I hate people who dont have the courage of their convictions. You think israel should use military force to completely takeover the West Bank. Own it. Now if they actually did that, they would definitely get the Apartheid South Africa treatment and be ostracized by the entire world.
@@GreenCanvasInteriorscape she’s mostly ignorant, childish and can’t handle any opinion that does not align exactly with hers or her preconceived notion and this is from trying to engage with her it’s just a fact
@@GreenCanvasInteriorscape She’s a child and just pushing another standard narrative and has mental blockage when it has to deal with reality like someone like me who actually has the wide perspective and my family has always lived in Israel and she is just typical and very small minded therefore cannot handle big ideas and the full spectrum of the reality she’s so funny, she even went as far as having AP block me
What a great discussion, and the first time that I've warmed to Destiny. Thank you Yishai for bringing out his more agreeable side! Keep moving the line. Your proposal to solve this situation is the most *pragmatic* one. It's the only one that would see the 'Palestinian' children benefitting hugely in the coming decades...🇮🇱🙏💙
Agreed. Why of all the war refugees, the world over, are Gazan refugees blocked, by Egypt and the US, from fleeing the war zone of Gaza? Syrian refugees go to Turkey; Ukrainian refugees go to Poland. By the millions. Instead of spending hundreds of millions to install a flimsy pier, the money could have been used to establish a refugee camp in Sinai under international and UN auspices, and the Gaza refugees would be then be safe.
@@joesilver4376: Exactly. This is what I've been saying too! Egypt could easily have permitted the international community to set up a 'secured' humanitarian camp just inside Sinai for babies, children, mothers of small children, pregnant women, the very sick and elderly to be cared for there. Hardly anyone talks about this, so thank you. The main complaint by Egyptians to me is that Israel won't let them return to Gaza, and maybe there is some risk. But keeping vulnerable people TRAPPED in a war zone is despicable, and against international law. The Egyptians seem to support the war strategy of Hamas which is to use the human death toll as negative publicity for Israel. A large number of Gazans are from Egyptian families who moved to Gaza during the 1948-1967 Egyptian occupation, so it's doubly awful that they want to use them as cannon-fodder in this way...🙄
Always love to watch people's brains short-circuit and turn into mush in the comment when they watch people who have nuanced views like destiny and lonerbox speak. When destiny gives his take and understanding that is slightly different than their side everyone calls him a 'shill, psychopath, etc' and that itself is a peak entertainment for me.
Honestly these days this was we really need the most, is calm conversations, especially between the different side of the fences. Massive respects to both Yishai and Stephen. Based based based :)
These two are not on opposite sides of the fences. Destiny is on the Israeli side of the fence and he occasionally sticks his fingers in the Palestinian side but for the most part, these two are not against each other in a big fundamental manner.
@@PersonOfNote I know mate. I didn't mean Destiny is on the Pro Palestine camp, he is Pro Israel, but they see differently regarding how Israel should move forward. And they don't "duke it out".
He does realize that “Palestinians” are among the best educated and having some of the highest standards of living among Arabs because of Israel, right? Everything about their involvement with Israel is what has given them a good life - everyone obsessively gives them money and focus to go against “evil Israel”. They live off of so much from Israel. Israel helps their governments keep order and gives them free help and breaks on a lot of things. Israel has lifted them up. Without israel it would be poverty stricken.
"I don't think Palestinians have enough outside military support, to ever make this look like Israel is the good guy here" - Yea, Palestinians don't have enough military support to make this look like an existential threat for Israel, because it's not an existential threat to Israel. Yea, Israel is most definitely an existential threat to Palestinians. How is the perception of the global community skewed here? What exotic moral judgement must be made, to tell us that Israel is morally in the right? I don't understand why Destiny is on Israel's side, except that he's sporting some form of his "it's ok to skin dogs alive" take, but on Palestinians.
For the topic 3, Israel in Media, I would like to add that nothing brings Muslims all over the world together than Israel defending itself. Why is Malaysia and Maldives canceling Jewish visa? Yishai should have not given grounds on it.
@@kppk2084 What's hypocritical is that you support Hamas but not Russia. Ukraine used to be part of Russia you know ? Then Ukraine declared its independence which is one of the major factors that led to the downfall of the USSR. Russia is just trying to get its land back you guys.
@@BobcatSmokey Who supports Hamas here??? Don't put words in my mouth. And the response was perfect and highlighted the hypocrisy of the west. The comment claimed the entire Muslim world acting in unison against the Israeli government is somehow proof of their rampant antisemitism yet when the entire western world does it against the Russian government it's because it's for the greater good as opposed to some inherent bigotry.
Destiny's point about Arab Unity being a myth is soo criminally underrated. Not a big fan of him usually but, damn this is something the west really doesn't get.
Beautiful parting words by Destiny, well said. Thanks Yishai. It’s amazing how in this modern world, exchanging a few criticisms on RU-vid can lead to a meeting like this a few months later.
Although I have always been "rooting for Israel" in "all of THIS"; I can "see" the "Dude's point" regarding how "he doesn't really care HOW they all decide to work it out" (over on the other side of the Planet)... Neither do I, personally "have a dog in this fight" ... I believe that our Creator has been paying attention to all of what goes on and that we shall see, what we shall see.
Destiny's answer is an irresponsible childish deflection and a scam. He is operating on the shallow level of sorting out grievances and not on the deeper, honest level, of analyzing the competing legal rights of the disputants and supporting, like a grown up, the side that has the greater legal merit; in this case the Jewish People. This was all legally sorted out 100 years ago, but the Arabs refuse to respect the legal rulings. Study the San Remo conference 4-25-1920, the Anglo-American Treaty 1925, the League of nations Mandate for Palestine-Israel, the UN Trusteeship for Palestine-Israel, the recognition of the State of Israel by both the US and the USSR, the re-possession of Arab-occupied sovereign and intended-sovereign Jewish territories by Israel in the June 1967, etc.
@@Harlem1mentalityleftism tends to run counter to strong family ties. There’s actually a huge number of parents speaking out about this now, basically saying that their adult kids got radicalized by the internet and have gone totally no contact and using excuses such as “you’re toxic” or what not.
Britain is a tiny country compared to other countries but that is irrelevant to its power, or what was its power, so the size of the country is not as important. Israel is basically the US state put in the Middle East so the US empire can control the Middle East. So unfortunately the US used the Israelis for this reason as the clock is ticking for how long this can be sustained considering how the world is changing.
"We should govern Gaza" - this is exactly the problem and why its never going to be solved. Either gazans & west bankers becomes a part of Israel with 100% equal rights, or they should have their own country with no outside control. A nation should never be allowed to have total control of another nations power supply, water, medicine, etc. As long as Israelis think they they should govern or have control over Gaza, this will continue forever.
Hamas most *definitely* struck on Oct 7 because the normalization treaty between the Saudi’s & Israel were just a few days away from being signed. This war is about trade routes and Iranian v Saudi regional domination.
What is a terrorist? Was Patricia Hearst a terrorist when she was indoctrinated by the SLA? I understand she was de-indoctrinated later but the point is when “ordinary citizens” are committing atrocities, it doesn’t really matter why they are doing what they are doing when the results are the same. Right now in this moment, Israel has one responsibility to her people and that is to eliminate Hamas. Maybe later when Hamas is gone & the tentacles of Iran are severed, a de-indoctrination process can start.
Wait what .. the guys says he wants Israeli independence ?? Give all the money back to the U.S. and go be independent who cares wow .. they are already independent af but leach off of the U.S. money 💁🏻♂️ where am I right 💁🏻♂️
When Yishai says Israel isn't really the big bad wolf in the Middle East, and is actually an endangered ethnic minority being surrounded by enemies from every direction - I don't really understand why Destiny replies by saying something like "I think the Arab-Muslim unity is a myth". Destiny is pretty much evading Yishai's point there
because Destiny isn’t that “honest and brave opinionated thinker” as he presents himself. he’s in fact pretty fragile and has no moral ground to stand on, and is quite shallow in terms of knowledge which is based on chaotic set of clearly politicized leftist sources mixed with randomly picked conspiracies he pulls out for wow-effect when he feels that his mask is about to be pulled off.
@@unisophia OMG!!!!! My sentiments exactly!!!!! 😂😂😂 I just didn't want to type anything negative on Yishai's channel. The only reason Destiny has such a large number of subscribers is that he started out as a gamer during the early days of the Internet. He had plenty of time to grow his channel. Now we need to help Yishai grow his channel!!!! I hope he'll reach half a million by the end of the year!!! Thanks for your message. I laughed so hard!!
Both of these men are right. If Israel wanted to, they could make this so much worse for Gaza and they are surrounded by enemies, but the Umma is a myth and deep down no Arab nation cares about the Pals. Jordan killed 25000 in 11 days in 1970 did anyone care
@11:30 While that could have worked, unfortunately it took just 2 days of water and electricity being provided by Israel to be shut off for the screams of famine, collective punishment, genocide and whatever else to start circulating the world. By then the international pressure was already huge and any further movement by Israel like that would have had massive long term consequences of how Israel is interacted with on the global stage, the US included. Furthermore, actions like that would have made the hostages seem like a secondary goal for the war, and back then there were still hopes for legitimate exchanges to return them home. The pressure to reduce Israel's actions combined with the unknown state of the hostages made the "hard and fast" take on the war impossible, regardless of whether the international community actually knew how to deal with Hamas or not. Now we're stuck at this terrible position where we have to go door to door and sacrifice soldiers for the sake of keeping the international community happy.
You live by the sword you die by the sword. The reason why international dissent is such a big issue for Israel is because of it's own making. Israel itself, in it's efforts to portray its status of being the only democratic nation in the middle east, has long ingratiated itself in the international spotlight. For you to complain when it isn't in your favour is ironic.
So you unironically think it's alright to cut water and electricity for 2 million people even for 1 day? Bro do you sometimes listen to yourself? Literal nazi thinking.
Yishai is right there should be one country. BUT the one that will won't discriminate and grant same rights to arab majority. To which people like him would never agree.
Finklestein is a nobody. He was kicked out of academia in the late 2000s for his nonsense. Hes most famous for writting a book called the holocaust industry which really sparked the 'jews run the world' anti semetic nonsense in the west. Hes only regarded by tankies, marxists and other moron extremists.
Finklestien would never agree to this, cause while destiny can be impartial, destiny hates that man so much and it's to much of a risk for him to end up in a 2v1
Destiny when we put on the glasses of truth. Its not that what we see makes us feel good. Its what we see is what it is. Maybe thats how your brain works. Not mine.♥️🇮🇱♥️✡️♥️✝️♥️✌️
Brother Israeli independence you wouldn’t last in this region surrounded by hostile Arab nations . It was America and uk who’s war ships are in the sea protecting the holy land
Very difficult with numerous tunnels embedded in most civilian structures and even hospitals. Plus HAMAS had over 40,000 fighters spread out over a 25 mile zone, with an underground safe zone in Egypt and their political leaders safe in Qatar. It takes time..
@@joesilver4376 israel has all this knowledge and knows exactly where hamas is stationed, they know their numbers yet they didnt see october 7th coming? how is that possible? why was the music festival placed near the border, where the border guards were all unarmed girls?
It bothers me that he says about moving people into Egypt “but the Egyptians and gazans will never accept that”. Well then force them to becuase it’s the right thing to do. The gazans can’t complain about the death toll if they are unwilling to move from harms way. Any sane person would run to sinai to protect their life first and foremost. Without life there’s nothing. It’s insane to suggest the gazans would want to stay there and die rather than flee to safety. The world should’ve forced Egypt to let them in. Just because “they don’t want to/would never agree to that” doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen. How can people blame Israel for any casualties when they won’t move out of harms way. It’s the most infuriating thing that people just brush it off as if moving into Sinai isn’t realistic and isn’t the answer. You are basically framing Israel and setting them up For an impossible situation. Everyone should’ve been screaming for them to move into Sinai. It’s not only Israel that needs to take responsibility. Why does Egypt get treated as king? And why are Palestinians allowed to say they won’t move but then complain about the death toll? I believe many would move if they had the choice and they should have the choice.
Another option is israel stop killing palestinians. Does it look like the IDF is any close To "destroying Hamas? More and more israeli military leaders are saying its not happening. Netanyahu said once they bomb the crap out of Gaza, Hamas would be defeated. They did that and the group is still standing strong, recruiting new fighters, popping back up in areas that were supposed to be cleared. Since theyve bombed literally everywhere in gaza now, now Netanyahu is indicating hes winding down the Gaza war and focusing on Lebanon. You think theyre gonna "destroy Hezbollah" when they cant get rid of Hamas? Isnt it obvious what Netanyahu is doing? The guy just want perpetual war. Wars he knows to stay in power and avoid prison
@@stormz761 They should return, to Egypt. They are not from Gaza. And the Arabs occupying Judea and Samaria would be forced to return to Jordan, if there were any justice in this world.
@@deborahfreedman333 Do you think israel can maintain any support from western nations if they force all arabs out of Gaza and the West Bank? Ultra zionists are either extremely delusional or you're suicidal. You should look up how the world dealt with the Apartheid regime in South Africa (supported by israel btw) and see what israel has coming. How long you think israel can last with zero trading partner?
How many Arab countries do you have to have normalized relationships with until you’re no longer outnumbered? Of course if we’re speaking about racial or ethnic groups then yes you will always be outnumbered but that is obviously a low level analysis from a foreign affairs perspective
@@KRISTIANSMILJANIC “The Sunni’s relationship towards Israel is a balance between two countervailing factors; - a deep aversion towards Israel and - a deep fear of Iran. When the aversion towards Israel is greater than the fear towards Iran, they will be hostile towards Israel, and when the fear of Iran is greater than the aversion towards Israel, then they will be more open towards Israel.” -Dr Martin Sherman What’s more is that the Arab street and the Arab overlords are almost mutually exclusive
17:28 you just described the analog version of what the internet does… life in Israel and Palestine. People living in a bubble that keep telling themselves “those people” over there are evil. I would only add that Israeli action over decades has given a lot of justification for Palestinian sentiments and that Palestinian radicalization requires someone to radicalize them. As much as Israelis like to paint the picture of Palestinians being naturally violent, Destiny makes the tremendous point of how educated Palestinians actually are (or rather were before all of their schools and universities were blown up). His takeaway from his trip so far is largely the humanity of the Palestinian people, a humanity I wish more of Israeli society could share at this depressing time. If anything for the sake of Israelis themselves.
Out of curiosity, how much of the video documentation of the day did you watch? The GoPro videos? The website that the families of the hostages allowed to be released a couple weeks ago (to counter the SA argument)? Similarly to what Yishai says "Language is important", I also think experiencing the visual as well, as much as is allowed- and to watch ALL of it (as they couldn't turn it off when they wanted it to stop!). And have you seen any of the schooling and textbooks that the kids use, that make them so literate? Thanks!
@@skontheroad I’ve unfortunately seen much of the video documentation on both sides. The indiscriminate killing by members of Hamas and other Palestinian groups was very difficult to witness. Because I have a heart and it feels this thing called feelings. Emotions. It cannot but help care about the helpless lsraeli lives that were lost and the terror they must have felt in those moments. But my heart doesn’t simply cease to feel the same way when I see the ruthless destruction and disintegration of Palestinian people by the state terror being brought down on them for the last 8 months and the many years before that. I know of the bias and hatred that some Palestinians teach their children, I am not surprised. You would do the same if you had a group of people putting the heel of their boot literally and figuratively on your neck for decades. Not to mention, Israelis teach their children the most horrible things about “those Arabs” over there. It is evident in what comes out of their children’s mouths, theirs politicians statements, their soldier’s tik tok videos and on and on. It is widespread and it is despicable. We must be able to see it all call it out on both sides. Being tribal and excusing your own parties shortcomings only reflects your inability to employ critical thinking. So please, tell me what you know about Israeli education. Tell me what the world should interpret of what they are just learning now but people who have been aware have known for years… the extremely racist attitude that has led to the dehumanization of the Palestinian people for decades. Don’t distract and bring up something else. Answer my question first.
And the thing is, he has spent time with Benny Morris, and were debate partner on Lex, and one of the point Morris makes is a Jihadism has played a role in the conflict.
I don't really care much about this conflict, it doesn't affect me either, but I like learning about it. In the beginning of the video Yishai seems like skeptical of the view that Israel is the big bad guy and Palestine the victim, and he asks Destiny about optics, how could Israel make it so they look better? But later on, he says he would have ended the conflict in 2 weeks, just turn off the water, the supply, the food, etc. That tells me that Israel has the control and the 'gun' here, which is in accordance with public perception. I know things might be deeper and there's more things to analyze, but this is really telling on what's going on.
As we shouldn't have to explain, no other country is expected to provide basic necessities to the people it's at war with, you cannot attack the country that provides your basic necessities and be upset that they don't want to aid you anymore, Israel shouldn't have to provide Gaza with anything since that's the job of their elected government which is Hamas, and Hamas decided to spend time, money, and energy on rockets and tunnels instead of providing basic necessities.
So this guy is a colonialist? I am not Israeli and I suppose I have a coddled view of things… but I imagine the answer shouldn’t be so disregarding of civilian life and disregarding of the native peoples of the land’s claim to their own governance and sovereignty. The backdrop to this convo should always be… religion doesn’t dictate your geopolitical decisions. You don’t get to tell people that you have a right to land because of your religion.
"It is known among the villagers around Hebron that the people of Yata were originally Jewish. Moreover, the meaning of the clan’s name-Mukhammara-comes from the Arabic root KH-M-R, which means “wine.” Thus, the clan name means either “winemakers” or people having some connection to wine. As is well known, having anything to do with wine is a major sin to Muslims. In that context, today’s Mukhammara clan members, as good Muslims, almost assuredly would have nothing to do with wine. But their Jewish ancestors clearly did-hence the name of their clan. Even more interestingly, it is common knowledge among the locals in the Hebron area that after the 1967 Six-Day War when Israel took control over Judea and Samaria, heads the above-mentioned clan and other clans in the area, even some living in the city of Hebron itself, went to then-Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan-who was in charge of the newly acquired territories-and asked him to help them return to Judaism. Dayan rebuffed them." -JNS
An alternative theory: the Arabic language is far older than Islam, so it shouldn't be surprising they have a word in their language for wine, and family names associated with the winemaking trade.
I marched down 5th Ave with Yishai Fleisher at the Israel Parade and subsequently made made aliya a few rows behind him on a a 747 Jumbo jet. political I'm probably much more aligned nowadays with Destiny, though I don't think destiny gets the full reality here. I don't see any future to Israel without peace. If anything settlers are risking Israels destruction for their own ideological gain. None of this is to imply that it's easy to make peace, because you clearly need a partner for that and to this day we have not have a serious partner, and this resistance to peace on the Palestinian side, literal resistance in the form of intifada terror, even before Oct 7, and years of rejecting of peace has led to the weakening of the peace camp in Israel and strengthening of people like Yishai. BtwYishai's ideas about winning a war in 2 weeks are as pathetic as his post war ideas are scary. Last but not least Destiny - Persians are not our enemies, only the fanatical regime.
Destiny has been making the Islamic unity is a myth argument recently in multiple videos but misses the point that unity doesn’t exclusively mean ‘active and physical participation’. Sports fans aren’t involved physically on the field by playing the game but without support people tend to lose their morale and motivation significantly quicker. Seeing hundreds of thousands of people world wide defend what you did on October 7th unites and empowers you. Wars have been instigated by people who weren’t actively involved in those wars. Calling it a myth is a pretty reductionist take.
Idk, I feel like Afghanistan is one of the best supporting arguments for what he's saying, it's a state that has multiple different competing Islamic factions that are all doing their best to kill the other, supported by outside Islamic interests. The state is surrounded by other Islamic states that are all probably going to be going to war with it in a few years due to geographic and other issues in the region. If Islam was really a monolith, I don't think you'd see it fractured to the extent it is today.
@@nattteo I definitely see your point and Destiny’s aswell. My point isn’t to say the Islamic world is completely in tact and united and forms this perfect, synchronized front to destroy the state of Israel. All I’m saying is that calling Islamic unity (at all) a myth because they’re usually not fighting the same wars anymore is taking it a bridge too far. American soldiers aren’t currently fighting in Gaza and dying for Israel by the dozens but would you call the unity between Israel and the US a myth?
@@guydroogcomcomparing Arab countries and non-Arab isla mic countries is where people miss the mark. Isl am was in its essence Arab imperialism, and thus even Arab countries with a sizable non Muslim pop will still be much more unified in the core tenets (anti Jwish being one of those tenets) and culture. That’s why for example Irans population is much more pro jwish despite it being the most Isla mic country… it has a rich connection to its non Islamic past. Afghanistan is not far behind. It’s a nuanced topic but suffice it to say westerners can’t really understand Isla m until they understand Mo ham mad
He is so boring, so opinionated but doesn't care, that is his answer and it really annoys me. No, nothing of interest, nothing beautiful, nothing impressive, no one stood out to me and I am seriously interested BUT I don't care. WHAT? Bizarre!
Yishai's arguments are so strong.. i've been a right wing Zionist for a long time and rarely find even better arguments than I had.. but Yishai has it! Yishai's point about Israel forcing a peaceful solution rather than Destiny's trying to see what both sides say they want. Destiny switched subject to israeli arabs aroudn 23:00 to evade Yisha's strong argument, but that actually makes Yishai's point even more because Israel forced the good situation that the israeli arabs have today.
I finally felt for a man in Gaza. My brother and I talk about them like they’re not even human, but the middle-aged guy in a video was sobbing so desperately … blood and tears and grime all over his face … The city is gone. Maybe enough is enough?
I was chatting in March with a man from Gaza on Instagram after he contacted me asking for money. I gave up talking to him when he said this: *"It seems that you have forgotten that Palestine is our land and every individual is required to defend it, and this is not only a national duty, but a religious and ideological duty that every Muslim in every country must have."* Why don't people believe it when educated Palestinians tell us this? This guy has perfect English, is an engineer, used to have a lovely house, has a daughter and another child on the way. I give up after he made his ideological position clear. I want the children of Gaza to have a better future, not a dead end.
@@sandytatham3592so we should believe you and your conversation with a no name stranger but not the Israeli leadership when they’ve told you what their intentions are for decades?
@@PersonOfNote: His name is Basel @basel.pal95 , and his little daughter's name is Lulu. I think some Israeli leaders are very aware of the Islamic ideology and its goals. But many Israelis look at things through 'western eyes' and don't want to believe that the goal of fundamentalist Muslims is to retake what has been taken from them, as in Quran verse 2:191 "drive them out from where they drove you out.". Gazans are heavily influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood which was set up in Cairo after the Ottoman Caliphate was defeated by the Allied Powers in 1918. The goal of the Muslim Brotherhood is to restore the Caliphate. H*amas states that it wants Jerusalem as the capital of their restored Caliphate. I believe that it should be made clear to the people of Gaza that the indigenous Jewish people are back in control in their ancestral homeland, but that the Gazans can live in peace with the Jewish people if they choose to...🇮🇱🙏💙
@@PersonOfNote The following was written CENTURIES prior by Maimonides, who was one of the most respected influential figures of his time by Muslins and Jws alike: “God has entangled us with this people, the nation of Ishmael, who treat us so prejudicially and who legislate our harm and hatred…. No nation has ever arisen more harmful than they, nor has anyone done more to humiliate us, degrade us, and consolidate hatred against us.” It’s almost like the cult of Mo ham mad has serious issues with letting others live in peace in pretty much every country it has a significant population in. Who would have thought?
Does Israel the only democracy in the middle of the most evil dictators in the middle east, need help from America and the west? Well maybe! Is that what you think Destiny? Really? Its well seen you’ve Never lived in a life threatening situation. I get you now. Just another loud mouthed youtuber.♥️🇮🇱
Destiny at least is honest, in that he has no feel or attachment to what happens to Israel; it's quite cold... I can't understand how someone is aware of Jewish history can be so callous & I believe he has grandparents who are survivors. There are a few holocaust survivors still, my mother is one of them; so the sense of an existential crisis is very real & not at all abstract. I appreciate he is actively looking for solutions to the "conflict"...feels a little dry towards Jews & more warm towards the "Palestinian cause". I don't look for antisemitism & I believe everyone is closely related, yet there are fundamental differences that I believe has made Jews very strong; & I wish this for the Palestinians. They are a very capable people, but there is a victimhood mentality; had the Jews given sway to this mindset certainly there wouldn't be an Israel the way it is today. Jewish history clearly shows a people kicked out all over the globe, but they never gave into the desire or expectation of being taken care of. I got the sense that Destiny does not acknowledge Jewish history other than Jews being prideful; therefore reluctant to sing its praises & not without quickly shifting to how educated the Palestinians are. I can't get around his lack of emotional connection to the Jewish people, I would have asked him if he identifies as a Jew (without the religious part, as he already claimed agnostic)...& if so, what does it mean to him.
That’s not true though. As far as I’m aware, he knows the “Palestinian Cause” is nonsense but he thinks there needs to be an acceptable solution for Israelis, Arabs and the international world order.
I also don't care. Why should we? Abrahamites have been slaughtering each other for thousands of years, why should I feel anything about this? The jews did massacre all the canaanites, didn't they? Everything that followed Abraham came from the concept of killing people who worship other Gods.
If it makes you feel any better, destiny doesn't really have any strong emotional feelings towards anyone or anything but some of his family and close friends. He likes not to get emotionally invested before he does his research on topics, so that he doesn't get emotionally swayed and thus open to being biased. I think after learning and refining his opinion he'll be more open to emotional impressions or arguments, which he got a whole lot of in his israel journey. He'll go through all of it on his stream over the coming weeks.
Yishai is so obviously chauvinist. Absolutely oozes all indicators. Anyone who thinks they're going to learn anything from him other than "oh this is how a propagandist sounds/behaves" will ultimately be disappointed.
