Intel!igent, insightful and truthful. If everybody was as open and honest as this brilliant man the World would be a better place. We are all human beings, the colour of our skin is irrelevant, it's the person that counts, that's all.
Brilliant interview with exacting questions that were answered marvellously, thank you both. Honestly answered, the difference between the symbolic and the substantial is something that is often forgotten by too many people.
So many things I can't understand and have never experienced as a white male in my eighth decade. If only we could live the dream of the great Martin Luther King, focusing on the content of character. Interesting interview. Two great human beings in an enlightened discussion.
Dr. MLK and his dream would unfortunately be regarded as erroneously elitist by the socially woke progressives who are pushing (C)ausing (R)acial (T)ension throughout America and the world.
I like these podcasts very thought provoking. I confess I am guilty of leaning towards content that recognises my reality. Although I do listen to opposing views just to try to understand the other side of the argument. But I think for most of my life I've been fed a narrative through education and then later traditional news media that didn't fully explain the how and why. But I feel voices like Gary's help to break down why we have symbolic progress without substantial change
I came to the UK at aged 3. Didn’t call myself British till l was 41. And that happened because on my first visit to the US l was outraged at how bad the tea was!
I can relate, I was born & raised in a majority white area in New York in America & faced tons of racism & discrimination from early on. It completely shaped my view of America & to this day I'll never identify with America, I identify strongly with my Jamaican background & in the process of leaving the America
I've always admired and then come to love Gary's work from the moment he was the first journo I heard call out the (immediately obvious to anyone who thought for a moment) lies about people sheltering in the Super Dome after Hurricane Katrina.
On the spot. We see no one migrating to Africa, south America, Asia, China, Russia, Japan............most of the migrations are to Europe. And all these migrants call the white racist.... As an Asian, I think it is time for the whites to be really racist.
@@kevinb9830 and difficult languages. And very different culture. I didn’t know that China was a particularly racist country - do tell. Africans are anglicised or Europeanicised due to our very well documented colonisation of their continent. Wanting to come here is a perfectly understandable choice. After all we went there and did whatever we wanted to indigenous man and beast.
No need to be gentle you would be going against your very nature...but I repeat your very funny ...blacks are also very racist towards Asians??? When did this become fact .....especially with the recent trade deals between China and Africa...which actually benefit Africa unlike anything Europeans did in the region...so hit me with your brutal logic
I enjoyed this but left with a sense that there is definitely no serious challenge of the ideas or concepts in this, just providing a platform. Would be interested to see if the range of guests is evenly balanced and whether they get same treatment. I'll search out other interviews ...
Sometimes challenge is counter-productive whereas active listening and reflection is healthy. The questioning and challenge may come later. I'm finding it absorbing.
C4 at its best. Other channels such as those whose journalists proclaim their bias (racism), politics (Brexit), respect for the interviewee (diss them) should be made to watch. But Rupe Murdoch pays too well.
YOU ARE NOT BRITISH. YOU ARE NOT ENGLISH. Genealogy matters. I’m I move to the Philippines does that make my genes Philipeno? Lol just wearing a costume protected law.
channel 4 bullshit, find a better one, actually itv has great drama, have you seen what first dune movie thats itv, no not itv, no itv, do you see me now, no need to apologise.
70s England was shockingly deprived for many working class white natives. Child abuse, domestic violence were far more common during those days. In some ways people of colour were better off culturally because they had more of a sense of ethnic identity and community. That was virtually non existent with the native English. So it's important to understand the times then and put racism and discrimination in its proper context. Also, England suffered terribly due to the war which happened not that long before.
The 1970s was 25 years after World War II, and what was going on in the UK then was very similar to what was happening now. An establishment out of touch car crashing the economy, and encouraging those affected most by their midmanagemrnt to turn to the past that caused the problems in the first place, because it's easier to accept those out of date ideas, than accept that their betters screwed them over.
And the likes of Enoch Powell exploited any resentment people had and directed it to those who were invited to help clean up after the war. Better off culturally does not put food on the table or stop people beating you up because you are not the right race or give you access to finance.
@@BigHenFor What was going on in the UK was more like what was going on in France now. Unions ruled and could bring the nation to a standstill. Nowadays, they stand on a picket for a day.
@@kevinb9830 can you tell that to the families of the Hillsborough stadium disaster. Or Lockerbie? Because they just can’t stop going on about it. Maybe just tell them that although it was damn unfair it is also in the past so get over it.
@@kevinb9830 I just meant that people from all walks of life can’t get over what has happened to them and perceived injustice makes it a very bitter pill to swallow. In the case of momentous tragedies like the Holocaust or slavery the people affected by this carry it in their bones. It’s not difficult to respectfully acknowledge the horror, even if you don’t regard it that way. My mother carried her inability to get over the death of a father she never knew to her grave.
@@kevinb9830 no Kevin I am not denying there are races native to Britain. But so what?. My nephews were born and have spent their entire lives living in Africa: one born in Zimbabwe and the other in Namibia. They’ve had their entire education at local African schools. Their father is British and their mother Belgian. But they are Africans. Do you tell them to go home? Where is their home if it’s not in Africa?
@@kevinb9830 those are two separate things. Clearly mass immigration is not sustainable for this tiny island and we have to be strict about who can come here but you can’t blame an immigrant for wanting a better life. Brits move en masse to France, Spain, Australia. Everybody wants the best life they can have.
@@kevinb9830 those are two separate things. Clearly mass immigration is not sustainable for this tiny island and we have to be strict about who can come here but you can’t blame an immigrant for wanting a better life. Brits move en masse to France, Spain, Australia. Everybody wants the best life they can have.
