There is an AA in Pattaya it's on Soi Skaw Beach and alcoholism in Pattaya is a problem with the ex pat community and getting bigger every year, from what my mate says this branch of the AA is busy and hopefully they can get them off this drug, alcoholism is just like a drug to some people to the stage of they can't live without it and sadly it kills them in the end. So if the troll's don't like my comment over alcoholism I don't give a shit my uncle died from it a bottle of whiskey every night and 10 pints of beer.
Yeah my friend who lives in Pattaya is in NA as well. I go through my stages but if I have a big night out drinking then take the next day off the piss. But really trying less to have those days but its difficult as I enjoy going out to see live music but live now in Vietnam just visit Pattaya occassionaly when I'm back in Thailand. Yes, seen many ex pats drink themselves to the grave especially in Thaiand or Pattaya. Really I just enjoy the vibe the fun but try to stay off the booze as much as I can. Really now if I have a night out stick to maybe three or four beers a few drinks but try to keep it in control. Before I had crazy nights out very heavy drinking but I have stopped as well after a drunken incident or just because I decided had enough. Now want to focus on my writing excersise stay healthy try and enjoy my travels not dealing with recovering from hangovers. This year cut way back on my drinking but slip a bit depending who I'm with as well. Its hard here when it comes to the language barrier and the environment to fit in as well. The Thai expat community and in general expat communities are full of heavy drinkers. It can be hard to kick as well.
They get bored out there and the sex stops being good after a couple months. Drinking is one of the nastiest habits. Is kratom legal in Thailand? A far better choice and not hard on the body.
alcohol is a toxin and carcinogenic. But boy did I ever have some fun adventures drinking with my friends. I exersise every morning but I wouldn't trade my adventures for anything.
Pat, excellent post. I'm a psych nurse with 40 years of experience. The majority of my experience is detox and dealing with the fallout of substance abuse. You really did an excellent portrayal of the pathology of this issue. Keep up the great work.
Hi Pat, Excellent video on a very touchy subject. I'm one year sober (1st May) after a lifetime of abuse. It got worse once in Thailand, & I knew it. Quitting was the best thing I've ever done. My friends and family are so happy & supportive. For me, repairing relationships made it worth it. One day at a time...... Thank you Pat. Kind regards Tony
Well done Tony on 1yr sobriety, you should be very proud of yourself as it takes courage to get help, no wonder everyone is proud of you. wishing you all the best
So true as a non drinker my whole life, people get really intense when you tell them you don’t drink. In my late 20’s I was at a party with my girlfriend in my country and a woman I knew and worked with my girlfriend spiked my orange juice with vodka at a party, she didn’t know why I didn’t drink I realised halfway through the drink because I get hot and my cheeks go red after I have a small amount of alcohol. I didn’t start drinking when I was young because I had epilepsy and my cousin who drank and had epilepsy would have loads of seizures when she drank so I decided wouldn’t use it. I was so pissed off that we left the party and I never had anything to do with her again and neither did my girlfriend. If I had been a sober alcoholic it would have been disastrous, luckily I didn’t have a seizure, but I certainly could have.
The majority of people who drink alcohol are alcoholics and don't even know it. It is the only drug that the government considers legal and encourages usage because they get tax revenue from it. It is one of two drugs whose withdrawal from can kill you. The other being Xanax. My husband and I are both non drinkers, non smokers, non drug users. We have raised our children in a drug free home. My husband's sister and her husband are both regular heavy drinkers and all their children are as well. It's all in the parenting. It's a cycle of abuse.
I enjoy a good whiskey. I also bartended for 12 years. And when you see the same people drinking 4 to 5 times a week at your bar, it get very depressing. So that image sure helped me from ever getting to that point.
since I moved to thailand I have seen so many ex-pat chronic drinkers.....it's like an epidemic over here. Glad I decided to knock the drinking on the head years ago and now focus on other things that make me happy
I've recently reexamined my entire relationship with alcohol, even as a person who only had '2 or 3' a night. When you're young(er) the effects don't seem very dramatic, but as you age what used to seem like 'not that much' is in fact too much, particularly if you're now 50 years old, sleeping poorly, feeling your liver swollen and hurting, and only taking a couple nights off a week because you simply felt too tired/garbage to see another drink as something that would made you feel good. WTF am i dong? I'm slowing killing myself., that's what I've been doing.
Sadly something my brother is going through. Spent most of his adult life in Asia drinking in Thailand and Philippines. Just been diagnosed with Cirrhosis of the liver aged 41. Really upsetting to see
I'm a binge drinker. Ex military and always knew exercises, jobs, driving, operations, deployments would need prioritised. A good 3 day binge drink when time allowed gave me the first night buzz the second day and night slowed down and the third day a few and tired of it. In Thailand I was away on maritime security for months at a time then return with that 3 day/night binge urge. Now completely retired I have a few beers when ever I feel like it. I'm well disciplined over the years to understand alcohol is no laughing matter if not respected. I now live in a village as I prefer being in my own control and no pressure from others in a bar. Loving life with no health issues and as the years creep on my body tells me no not today no point. I now water fast more than I have a beer or even a mini binge. Water fast is noo eating and only drinking water. A pure detox with no hyped up detox juices. Nothing for the liver, pancreas and kidneys to process just pure water flushing out. I don't drive now only walk and cycle or row out on the lake. Enjoy the outdoors and that's when I can return home with that old army 3 day binge urge but only a few and get bored, off to bed. Anyway, I'm away for a pint. (Excellent video with a subtle serious message and warning).
Thanks for doing this Pat. 12 years sober. Detox AA counselling and a desire to stop all helped me. This vid contains so much golden material. Good on you
Excellent vid Pat. I have experienced alcohol withdrawl twice- each time after drinking all day every day for 3 weeks- Every waking minute. It is surreally horrifying. And deceptive. It usually begins between 12 and 24 hours after your last drink. So you feel ok- in the morning, resolve the binge is over- and midmorning- collapse. LEgs give out-- Haul yourself to the bed- DTs (flashing blue lights in the room, sound of a choir coming from I don't know where.) No connection between brain and legs- must slither to the toilet. Drenched in sweat- unable to sleep- for in my case, 2 full days and nights. Some old thai ladies brought me some soup that I couldn't eat- and two large Singhs-- that slowed my brain and I could sleep. My neice was a nurse in a special ward in a hospital. The staff there provided the patients with 12 beer a day- to avoid withdrawl. That would be cut down to 0 over about 10 days or so. I have read that most of the deaths due to alcohol related problems are in fact, happen during withdrawl. Not liver, kidney problems- but sobriety. (paradox or what!) The odds of a coma increase each time you go through withdrawl (at the level I did.) And as Pat['s guests make clear- don't (as I did) go cold turkey and white knuckle it. Have that breakfast beer - and then stop. Those two beers for breakfast could save your life. So- there ya go.
Thank you, this probably one of the best videos you have done. Very professional in all ways, topic, filming, research, expertise editing..this video should be mandatory for every expat to watch.
I moved to Pattaya in 2012 and went on the piss for three straight years. It was the best time of my life. Met lots of friends living on the dark side - joined pool, dart and quiz leagues - dumped the girlfriend I had when I moved there and married a woman I met that first year. She's slightly older than me and she's got her gear so squared away it's scary. I've lost the 10 kg I gained during those three years and barely drink at all now. We are happy, and I'm a survivor. If I'd let my base urges take over completely back then, I have no doubt I'd be dead now. As are, many of the expats I met while I lived there. I love Pattaya, but northern Thailand is a much better long term life.
Gave up for 28vears started drinking again thought this is ok..went to thailand and got smashed ended up in hospital for few hours..went back my room detoxed myself for 5 days...not recommended...not had a drink since...thats 5 years ago..each day is a blessing..live in Thailand and never been happier..but always remind myself that i would be one drink away from going back to that miserable life..yes i go bars and restaurants all my friends drink to different degrees..love this video...tells the true story of alcohol abuse..
most, and I say most, not all... addictions, be they alcohol or drugs are caused by underlying unresolved emotional psychological trauma... have lost 2 relatives who literally drank themselves to liver failure through alcoholism, have a history of generational emotional abuse and trauma and have suffered from alcohol addiction... its not always their fault.. its just their coping mechanism for their trauma that has a negative effect on themselves.... I got lucky and found professional psychologist to help me resolve my past issues and now I barely touch alcohol more because it messes with my sleep too much and for me sleep is very much my therapy... brilliant video pat... thanks for bringing this to light, it is a very prevalent occurrence in SE ASIA amongst expats and just saw it on a very recently on a trip out there, especially the part about other people with alcohol issues making an issue out of the one who is not drinking.. Eventually I just stopped going to that bar where alot of my former friends now go to.. I had to distance myself from them because of it.... I did have a few beers once or twice a week but then I would ensure to take a few days off afterwards... it does have negative effects and in a hot climate it can be very dangerous!
Thanks Pat a great video, I’m a teetotaller but I used to be a drug & alcohol worker in London with 10-18yr olds, my youngest client was 9 and I would pick him up from primary school. Back in Australia I worked in a rehab, alcohol is an insidious drug, because most people don’t class it as that, but I see the issues that arise from it everywhere, but it’s a big problem in Thailand.
Addiction is a deep rooted problem, just quitting is just the beginning. Keeping sober and free from it is a lifetime of recovery . It has to be replaced with something else, hopefully it is a healthier choice 🙏
Years ago in London I hit the wall. Was Sunday night late. I was very drunk and alone in a nightclub. No friends there. Lonely. Realized I had a drinking problem. Cut down heaps slowly. Sorted myself out slowly. There's a slippery slope with alcohol
25 years of not drinking. Preceded by 10 years of quitting and relapsing. It wasn't easy. I am not an authority on the subject other than my life is SO much more meaningful and enjoyable living without alcohol. I know that sounds glib and superficial to my brothers and sisters that are out there drinking. If you drink and you're happy: Awesome! If you drink and are unhappy, right now is always the perfect time to stop.
Good to raise awareness on this Pat. Ironically the last time I had a hangover was on a walking tour I done with you! You raised a great point about the attitude some people adopt when they quit. It is difficult not to look down on those who still drink a lot, as essentially it is how you have to view your old self. I struggle with this but acknowledging itand staying humble helps me navigate it. I arrive in BKK in 2 weeks, and it will be the first time I won’t be getting smashed on my arrival!
This sounds very similar to holidays in New Orleans. My wife and I first went for a week (we were big drinkers back then) and you get completely lost in the bars, talking to other drinkers and tourists and before you know it you've lost days, out drinking for 24 hours - pass out in the hotel until the sun goes down and start up again. We loved it so much we went back a few years later for 2 weeks and that broke our brains. The amount of drinking we did was insane and I have no doubt we were hallucinating when we didn't drink, and were mostly hungover trying to get that 'high' that drinking gives you. My wife and I will be 2 years sober in September and we're thriving. We love sobriety.
In 2010, after 11 years of daily heavy drinking I quit cold turkey for about two weeks. Amazing experience. First 72 hours it was like I'd peeled off saran wrap from my brain. Mental faculties immediately became sharper and my taste buds came alive again after having been deadened by relentless boozing. Cold turkey is fine. The physiological // psychological shake-up is good for the soul.
This video was just what I needed. I am 43 and have been a mild to heavy drinker for 20 + years. I wanted to come visit Thailand becuase in many of the party spots drinking all day is the norm from what I have heard. I think its time I do some self reflections and wean myself off my daily drinking before going traveling again and before seirous health effect start happening to me
My father died from alcoholism. Nothing the family or I could do as in the end the drug was stronger than anything we could pitch against it and God knows we tried everything. Now I live in Issan and am horrified at the unbridled use of alcohol to lubricate just about every social situation. I’m a moderate drinker and am looked upon as deranged when I say don’t give me another beer. Thanks for the post Pat.
Hi Pat, I worked in Thailand for a year teaching. Worked 6 months in Isaan which was great, but made a mistake of going down to Nonthaburi which wasn't so good. I would often take the train to Bangkok and get absolutely smashed, often finding a cheap hostel to sleep in and would wake up severely hung over and stinking of booze. On one occasion I got the days wrong with how long I was off work for, and after taking a hungover early morning train journey back to Nonthaburi, I went to do my laundry, only to have the shock that term had began and the school was open. Since returning to the UK I had had a few sober spells. Longest I managed was 115 days. I'm currently on day 52 no booze.
This is a great video that needed to be made. I lived in Chiang Mai and my friend moved over and he just passed away. He was 43 and stopped breathing in the middle of the night. He knew he needed to stop but couldn’t seem to make himself do it.
Thank you for focusing on a problem I myself have registered, not only in Thailand but also other Asian countries, perhaps especially in Cambodia. By the way, I want to thank you for a very serious channel with an endless amount of useful information. I enjoy all your programs, with the exception of "Drinking too much in Thailand" it is apt, not me personally, but after many years as a social worker, I know what alcohol does to people physically but also mentally. Thank you very much for addressing an issue.
I've been in bkk for over 5 months and I can see how ppl can get in a habit of drinking, there's days that can get boring so they cope with drinking, problems that they had back home bring them here, etc. ive been in the process of losing weight and I lost over 100lbs, what help was cutting alcohol and train Muay Thai. I hate training feeling like crap after a night of drinking so that's why I cut it completely, and keep myself occupied with hobbies here in bkk, and when I do go to go go bars I order a Coke Zero women adore me more because I'm not a drunk frang lol
I love your open documentaries and highlighting actual resources that are available to those going through this situation. Keep up the good work, you're an incredible resource!
As somebody who suffers really bad migraines if I drink more than 2 pints, I drink moderately. Obviously I often get heavy drinkers urging me to drink more. It is tiresome and exacerbating. But even weirder are ex-heavy drinkers who try to coerce me to drink to excess even when they have seemingly broken the habit and are now teatotallers. I infer from this that the alcohol doesn't even have to be drunk by themselves for their addiction to be satiated; they just need to watch excess.
Another great video Pat. Very brave and commendable to share those personal struggles. It can be very tempting for those living mundane or unsatisfactory lives in the West to think that countries like Thailand are the answer to all their prayers, the truth is 'wherever I go, there I am'. Thailand can be a very unforgiving place once the novelty wears off if you do not tame the beasts within.
I used to work in London giving treatment pathways to people.with susbtance abuse issues . Alcohol, drugs illicit & prescribed. I saw too many wrecked lives and deaths. I left in the end. So many complex reasons why this happens to people.Recognising you have an issue is a first step. Detox , Rehab can help. The real test comes after you leave , as you will need supoort when temptations come along. Despite some comments on here AA/NA does offer support for the times when temptation to replaspe comes along.
AA was not a solution for me, but others swear by it. But at AA and NA you have a sponsor that should be able to help you 24/7 at times when needed. But AA/NA based rehabs were not for me.
Great vid. Big problem here. I’ve always been lucky to have an aversion to the taste and smell of alcohol so don’t drink at all. Never felt I couldn’t have fun because i was sober. It’s all I’ve ever known.
My advice. Get well pissed once a week. Slightly pissed two other nights of the week. The other four nights a week don't drink. Also do not drink at home.
It will be 9 years for me in September (God willing!) thanks to AA. But no one who doesn't REALLY want to get sober will get sober. Gotta want it! Then put in the footwork to stay sober...do the drill. Good video...thanks!
Alcoholics are ego maniacs with low self esteem sums it up perfectly in my 10 years of recovery in AA. Addicts/alcoholics (like myself) tend to have big egos and low self esteem, the struggle is trying to stay in the middle
I love your videos, and I always look forward to new posts. This one is personal. I've been to Thailand 12 times. Pretty much even split: the first 6 times I was constantly loaded, then the last 6 times (since 2015) I've been sober. I have just as good a time. Do I need the help that AA offers? Hell yes! I don't judge anyone who doesn't like it. And in the big tourism cities there are tons of excellent AA meetings. I've been to lots of them in Bangkok, Phuket, Pattaya and Chiang Mai. All the support a person could want. And very international!
A subject that is not talked about enough, thanks Pat! I worked in a government program to house some of the homeless here in Canada. Most clients had problems with drinking. It was very good to see some of them get the help they needed and turn their life completely around. I never did drink much my whole life. I will have about 3-4 drinks per year. It sure saved me thousands of baht in the 3 months there. I sure hope to meet up with you possibly in Oct. I find your video's the best out of all others on RU-vid.
My father was an alcoholic. I have an addictive personality. Quit drinking for most of my life and started back up maybe 8 years ago. Two drinks a day everyday. Most alcoholics would laugh at that, but it was more than I needed. 4 weeks ago. I decided enough was enough as I was moving to Thailand and did not want to be roaming around the country and alcohol fog. I don't always make good decisions when I am drinking and I knew that would be key to my happiness in Thailand. Also, I want to learn the language and I knew that I needed my complete attention to that. So yeah 4 weeks ago I said no more and that was it that was done. I haven't had a drinks since and I feel better everyday. I have a relative who's a heavy alcoholic and I've tried to get them to change their behavior but I know that sometimes you just have to make that choice yourself. Good video!
Well done and that's not me being an idiot. I gave up drinking for 7 years I didn't miss drinking but I went through a very nasty divorce and I started to drink in again but heavy this time, but now I have sorted my 💩out and now I drink 3-4 pints over the weekend and sometimes I don't bother, my ex wife accused me of being an alcoholic during my divorce I was once a heavy drinker but nowadays I'm a social drinker when I ever go out I don't need the drink I drink because I like a little taste of beer but i never touch shorts.
Tremendously insightful with depth in highlighting an important topic. As with so many other episodes of yours, I just had to watch this one for a second time. The interviews with specialists throughout this video added clarity for an enriched understanding. Well done!
I did not fall into alcoholism here. I was already an alcoholic when i arrived, haha. But i am sober now (and still in pattaya). But yes, i am pretty much socially isolated now. All my social connections were in bars and involved drinking.
I can see why a lot of people move to thailand as expats and stay in holiday mode. Glad you are giving some attention to this and hope that it reaches those that can benefit from it.
Great video as always. It’s definitely very easy to fall into the alcohol cycles here in Thailand. After I quit drinking, I found that I was able to focus on and achieve my productive goals as my efforts weren’t constantly derailed by the night out and inevitable hangovers. Alcohol is a very self limiting drug.
Vinny, the Senior Therapeutic Manager of HOPE in your video spoke a lot of sense. In my twenties I worked as a diplomat in foreign embassies. In the 1970's and 1980's alcohol was an important part of any diplomatic function. Furthermore, our wives at home in the foreign country who could not work, had unlimited access to duty free booze. Most of us diplomats were ex military and well versed in the pleasures of alcohol. The government that I worked for realized that it needed to be able to differentiate between the heavy drinkers and the alcoholics as the alcoholics definitely needed to be treated.. They came up with a simple definition which I think Vinny spoke around. If your drinking habits have a negative effect on either your social, work or family life, then you are an alcoholic. If not, then you are simply a heavy drinker. A simple and accurate way to differentiate between the two types of drinkers.
I am so glad I got to talk to Vinny on camera for the video as he was so straight forward about the whole topic and the aim was to make this video as simple as possible. Henk runs the Soberhouse in Chiang Mai and was another I wanted to get some knowledge from. Here's the documentary I filmed at Hope over the last few months: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Dofe08RmMUM.html
I worked in Asia for 25 years and drinking was a part of life.Socialising,dutch courage,exitment etc. When i move to Thailand I was addicted to girls and booze every night. Then I got married and started to drink at home. The strange thing is that most people i talk to drinks more than me. my neighbour goes out every night and has 7 pints.I met a guy who drinks everyday at 1pm sleeps then same again.Even Thais say they have 4 beers a day. my cousin drinks half a bottle of scotch a day. I drink 2 bottles a day then a few shots of Ya dong
This is why I hang out with the digital nomad community rather than the expat community. There's something pretty dark about the way the expat community lives in most of these cheaper tropical countries. Alcoholics, sexpats, drug abusers, etc. I dont know precisely why but these issues do not affect the younger generation that works online in these countries anywhere near as much. Not that all expats are bad, but frankly I have seen enough divorced, gym fit, shiny bald headed, $50 rolex wearing, devious looking white men in Bangkok alone to last me a lifetime.
Wow. Heavy stuff Pat. But a topic that needs to be discussed. Hopefully, this will help someone help themselves and or help someone that they care about! 🙏🙏
Diazepam is pretty much the safest way to stop. Just be sure to taper down properly. On case your wondering why it works, it hits many of the same receptors in your brain as alcohol with very low toxicity. Preventing many of the dangerous symptoms of withdrawal. Because it has very low toxicity you can taper down slowly. I recommend several weeks
Great video as always Pat. I was wondering if you could do a review of Bangkok golf courses? Even if you’re not a golfer, your tremendous research and going deep into any subject would be wonderful.
I owned a bar for 25yrs. Saw the problem drinkers all the time. I drank a little every day but very rarely got drunk. Later in life I started to get drunk. I didn't like that. Now I only drink on special occasions. My son started working in the bar when he was very young. He grew up in that environment. He never drank much and now doesn't drink at all.
I find it VERY fitting that you shot this episode from a graveyard. Thailand should put an alcometer and a dental check out on the border control,(Excessive alcoholism and drug abuse leads to people loosing their teeth) there are WAY too many drunkards that are flocking to Thailand to stretch their money & pension in order to extend their alcohol and drug abuse.
I lived in Bkk for many years and always drank regularly and probably at times, too much. Meanwhile I totally stopped drinking 1.5 years ago and feel better for it no doubt.
Very good post. When I was younger and out with friends I always enjoyed my share of drinking. But as I got older I (lucky for me) lost my desire to drink. I’ve lost family and friends to alcoholism. One friend lost everything he had due to booze and had been through AA, several rehab stints and even jail due to multiple alcohol driving arrests. He intimately died of liver failure, such a waste. His alcohol habit was his protected zone, he wouldn’t let anyone stop him no matter how much I tried to help.
What drew me to your channel and those of others from Thailand, was that I saw other men that I respected out enjoying life. It wasn't till a few months later that I realised alcohol wasn't involved. Unfortunately my own relationship with alcohol has a lot to do with the western way of life, work & family resulting in stress so at the end of the day grabbing a drink is the easy solution. Looking forward to spending more time in Thailand where I can actually live a better life.
That was well made. I have only tasted alcohol a few times in my life, but I've smoked "broccoli" virtually every day of my life since I was fifteen. That's just over fifty solid years. Have you made any videos about that drug? I'd watch that.
Important to note that daily drinking is not necessary to have an alcohol problem. Binge drinkers have just as big a problem as daily drinkers (possibly even worse).
AA doesn't work for everyone, unfortunately. One of AA's conceits is that it does. But I would urge anyone to try it as a first step - there is power in rooms where everyone has quit drinking. Alcoholics need to rediscover a purpose to life. One way it seems to me is service to others. Expats in Bangkok can involve themselves in community projects, like the slum redevelopment project run by volunteers covered in a past video. I think we lift ourselves by lifting others.
AA holds no monopoly on getting or staying sober. We merely practice and share what works for us who are members of AA. There are hospitals, detox centers, church, therapy, etc etc. I encourage all who are seeking relief from alcoholism to try any and all routes to achieve sobriety and practice what works for them.
well, drinking is social. it's fun. it makes you feel good. the hard part about stopping drinking is how to have some fun despite that. haven't drank in more than a decade and look it's not easy to go in social scenes in professional environments or parties and stuff. concerts and such are a bit easier, raves way more easier tho haven't gone in a long while. easiest to get people to stop trying to get you to drink is to just tell them that man I can't, if i start partaking i'll die. AA fundamentals don't really work for most people nowadays and the method is very much based on faith. I'd recommend becoming a nethead over that even. play online games or something. the 12 steps and how AA is formulated around depends on certain kind personal thinking from the get go that is not so common nowadays(bible belt stuff). it's highly local what your local AA would follow. also if the group is just court mandated its highly likely you'll just find new drinking buddies. edit: lol at moving to scandinavia to not have sunlight. the lack of sunlight can be depressing, it's dark you wake up you go to work it's dark you come home it's dark and cold. I much prefer the 12/12 roughly cycle with sunlight. edit2: benzos like diapams are highly addictive and if you abuse them you'll need help to come off from them safely then(the withdrawals can kill you). so finding a street source for them is highly not recommended. really I'd just recommend a bunch of weed rather than such, but the tricky part with that is controlling yourself to not drink while on either one of these. a sidenote benzos+alcohol will make some people lose their memories and do weird stuff and can sedate your breathing systems. it's much better to come to thailand _after_ you have sorted your relationships with substances one way or other.
Pat this is an awesome vid, well thought out and well presented. You've covered many aspects of the disease with your own experiences included it really fleshes out the narrative. The rehab workers and counselors were great, Vinny is a very sober and mindful dude.
@@richardlau6131 Definitely eloquent! Imagine spending an hour with him every now and then, talking about anything. Like a palet cleanser for my brain.
Were all individuals so what works for me may not work for you. If you need help with your alcohol consumption don't be afraid or embarrassed to seek help. The more sources of advice you get will ensure you of more options that might work for you. Thanks Pat, for discussing this topic. 👍
