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Thank you for a very informative video. I was wondering why you said that Surtr and Viviana have similar DPS during skill minus the Res shred. Surtr s3 reads +330% attack while Viviana reads +110%. Even with the talent 2 extra damage boost against elites and bosses, isn’t it the case that Viviana DPS during skill is lower? Or am I missing something? Thank you for your help.
@@eufrosniad994 After 2nd time activation Viviana's attacks become triple hits, getting similar dps to Surtr (Still lower though because of RES ignore and increased attack interval)
I think you nailed exactly why people are actually disappointed. Viviana's kit feels like someone just designed a generic arts guard kit and slapped it onto her. Nothing really screams Candleknight. Great video!
@@kyarumomochi5146 to add to this with her limited resistance stripping of none you effectively need haze to not get one shot or use reed alter to make her DPS be useable against most bosses Which when surtr exists doesn’t need to use her skill 3 twice and can typically be redeployed in the time it takes for her to be able to gain full value it really hurts her
i wanted to skip this banner but since i had some free pulls i pulled and got her. Compare to surtr she is fun to use. Surtr ruined a game, is boring shit and something to kill bosses for stupid and lazy people. Overpowered shit that dies after 9 seconds. This thrash unit from kazimierz event is fun unit, made to kill bosses, multiple fun skills, and talents.
same i wanna skip this banner but hey at least i have 60 pull. no Virtuosa but Viviana Pot 1. tho i have so many Guard already and have other arts guard that more cheeper. if only her Skill 2/3 can permanent active
i think another important point to bring up is that viviana is a REAL arts fighter, unlike surtr. hg has historically been wary of making arts too strong. it's why casters typically attack slower than snipers and have higher dp costs, but there is only one form of melee arts damage (without being dependent on skills): the arts fighter archetype. because of this concern, arts fighters' kit feature a lot of defensive/survival oriented abilities. mousse lowers atk and increases her def, astesia increases her def, sideroca has self-healing, guardmiya has arts dodge and i-frames/res increase, and then... surtr has brief immortality. it's hardly a hot take to say that surtr broke the archetype-- we all know this. she was such an offensive nuker that i think we, as a playerbase, forgot what arts fighters are actually supposed to do. viviana, therefore, is a RETURN to what arts fighters are meant to be. however, this ended up being disappointing because her kit is relatively lackluster and dps is easier to conceptualize than survivability. that's just how it goes, for better or for worse. as i recall, there are story reasons for why she doesn't have her nuke from near light/cc8, but i will also say that that is not inherently acceptable. it's still going to be a disappointment, justified by lore or not. personally, i do not mind, but i know *many* players do, for which i do not fault them. even the lack of an homage bummed people out. edit: also, imo, it's really annoying that they decided to give viviana steal but not do anything meaningful with it. i would have loved to see res stealing expanded upon, which could make her much more competitive.
hi! what is this real arts fighter means btw? have you tried to use her? I tried her on IS1 and in the 1st floor, s3 against armored crab and she took forever.. I paired her correctly right? against high armored mobs 1on1?
currently pulling for Arturia and got Viv was sad at first but the way you explained her kit made me want to build her...i have been looking at this the wrong way Thank yous and now I sub to thee 💖💖💖
I got Vivy in 21 pulls and I thought that with my pulls I couldn't get another 6* anymore, so I leveled her to E2 and got some mastery on her S3. (Got Virtuosa in another 30 pulls) Used her in IS4 and she was really fun especially with some nice arts and range attack buffs she got 3k per hit and deleted everything in sight. I would still buff her 2nd Talent. In theory my idea for talent 2 is that she could generate "candle" shields against elite enemies and bosses that could act as damage reduction / heal back once broken. She could stack max 2 candles and 3 with pot 5. Idk about the strength of heal or dmg reduction, but I think it would feel more candle-ish and would be help of indicating when the shields are working. Over all she looks beautiful in E2 art and I am tempted to M6 her.
I honestly find it quite tragic that her shields neither stack nor work against ranged enemies, hopefully the module would at the very least make it stack and probably even increase the base chance for it to happen, or hell heal once it's broken like you said haha
@@FABKlNG Yea she is such a cool character in the Kazimier and Lethanien storys and she had so much potential to be unique with Talents and Skills. Maybe Arknights is just keeping her low profile, so when her alter releases it would blow up into a true Candle Knight.
imo a lot of the issues come from Arts Guards as a whole being, kinda... outdated? Surtr is mostly used specifically for the helidrop and RES Ignore, we are at a point of the game where in hard content (operator power is kinda fully irrelevant on normal content) where theres not much space for this, Surtr was never the best DPS to begin with, she got a lot of her value in the role condensation she does, being a helidrop boss killer that has RES Ignore is massive for her value, Surtr escapes her own archtype just like Mountain does. It's so tragic that Vivi wasn't a Mystic Caster, a Mystic Caster AoE focused variant would have been so great
The problem I have with her is more or less the same as with Skadi and Ebenholz. They are Boss slayers but need to be completely invested in order to work, compared to blaze or thorns who work just fine at lvl 60 with no masteries or mods. In other words, high investment ops that may not see as much use as a lane holder or crowd controller, so I'd rather build cheaper and more versatile ops first. Still got her though.
It's eerily thematic that Viviana, the subject of much speculation and rumor from the in-lore press, would herself be scrutinized and judged by the playerbase.
lol in some of your examples, surtr will survive longer and deal more damage with just better medics behind her, but yeah I get your point. I will be building Viv anyway
Thanks for this. Viviana is my most anticipated NPC becoming playable and I was pretty devastated when CN players said she was bad. Having a better understanding of her strengths gives me hope that I can find ways to enjoy her anyway. I'd hope she gets a cracked module but... any mod she gets, Surtr would also get. So I feel like unless they do something similar to Gladiia, where her mod3 removes the restrictions on her full power talents, she may be merely 'fine' forever. Maybe she'll get a delta module that gives her burn elemental damage or something, that would be fun.
both my viviana and virtuosa are still at lvl 1 cuz the star of the show for me on this banner was skadi alter and my journey saving 300 pulls for her since god knows when lol i like to do some lvl gaming runs but even at that, viviana doesnt seem to do much ngl
The only and only things that I'm upset about viviana is that she doesn't have that candle knight explosion from the boss version.. Other than than I'm quite happy with her
As a Viviana stan(I almost got bankrupt on resources rolling for her) I greatly approve of this video! She might not be perfect in terms of gameplay and meta, but if there's a will there's a way, and I will always try to find a way to make her shine
You have enlightened me. Thank you. My stigma has fallen, if only partially. Really though, my main problem is "This isn't Viviana, this is a Astesia Alter in a makeover". This feels nothing like what the candleknight did. Meanwhile, Degen is literally next banner and uhhhh Lol, Lmao. I wish they could rework her, but afaik due to chinese gacha laws they cannot change chars so greatly.
There is no law for that character changes you mentioned as of 2024 (NPPA. Regulator incharge of game approvals in China). Their dev team is just lazy and mediocre. Hit or miss in kit design.
That's exactly why ops like Degen are bad for the game. Because people see HG release an actually well balanced op that embodies what her class is supposed to be; and everyone looks past them and say "Oh yeah, we have this new broken op coming, so no need for this balanced one when I'll get the busted one instead." And honestly, if you want to use Viviana's boss form as an op, just raise Leonhardt. His S2 is basically what people wanted out of Viviana. If they made Viviana to be her boss form, instead of being Astesia alter it would be Leonhardt alter. Same thing, different tile.
I did not expect another nuker, because those like Surts are a design mistakes and makes them forever meta. Now they design enemies, like Manfred, around more balanced units like Viviana. She also has lane holding ability against medium or even strong enemies. She’s overall BALANCED and that’s a healthy thing for a game. We need options, not another meta-breaker, that’s gonna be a problem if you miss it (looking at you Mwynar…). I am SO happy with Viviana, instantly S3M2 and now trying to push chapters to 13 so that I can finally M3 her skill, and I will probably push her S2M3 as well. I waited for her to be released and I will not tolerate anyone who says “but she was stronger as a boss and now she’s meh” - you are disrespectful to our Candle Knight.
thanks. i saw some videos of some person trying to use her like surtr and failing miserably. and was like....shes not surtr why would you even do something like that and consider it valid? when I say she's an upgraded Astesia, I mean she's a typical arts guard. her skills do things that add Defense of all things. S2 is considered in this statement, but s3 is also, as its her bread and butter. it adds RES and DEF. it also implies she's a year 1 operator. Basic, does the role of a year one arts guard with 6 star stats. theres nothing about her kit that screams year 4
Thank you for someone explaining why Surtr soloing Patriot while Viviana can't is so fucking stupid.... They do different things and are meant for different situations, just because Viviana isn't overpowered as fuck doesn't mean she is useless.
Isn't she more of a lane holder instead of helidrop like surtr? Her s3 is best to deal on consistent wave of elite, surtr on the other hand is best on dealing against single huge wave of enemies or dueling boss?
Thank you for making this video. I ended up pulling a ton of this banner and got max potential Vivi. I was disappointed because everyone just says she’s meh. This makes me actually want to build her up and use her. I have a max Surtr as well, so it’s not like I’m missing out on arts damage. Though the self drain after is painful. Hopefully people start to use and appreciate her more. I know I am.
Do it. Use a flagbearer with a module and you'll have a potential 3-block AOE guard for lane holding and you'll see how capable she is. Playing with her range on S3 is fun as well. She's able to outrange Degen's lockdown from Break the Ice, so there's a lot of potential for lane hopping DPS like people did with Blaze back in the day. Lots of fun to be had with Viviana.
just truly disappointed, i pulled 150 times just to get 2 copy of this failure( not even having arturia;-;) ! hope she will get a buff in the near future!!
She's my favorite character in the game, and my first e2 level 90 operator. But she is really hard to get good value from. I don't think Surtr is the correct thing to compare her to; it's better to contrast her with defenders who do arts damage, and several of those put up better defense and block with comparable damage numbers. Her kit is also almost flavorless. No light or shadow, just hit people with sword. No explosions. Even her S3 feels like a very good 5* S2. Good numbers, but no flavor or mechanics really.
I don't think she's hard to get good value from at all. She benefits from pairing with every Flagbearer in the game as it gives you +1block and a free heal/slow/fragility. That alone gives her AOE guard potential for spam waves. She works great with Ines's slow and reveal on S3 too. When Iana comes to global she's the ideal frontal unit for her. Skyfire's Talent is amazing with both Vivi S2 and S3. Pram's Fragility, Weakness, and Res Reduction are everything she needs. Saria, Suzu, and Gnosis all synergize amazingly. Skalter is always amazing, but even more so with the double and triple hits. Aak barely damages her on skill with S3. Quercus and Ptilosis helps her skill cycles immensely. Leonhardt can work as an on damage wave thinner and Res shredder Even operators like Ange and Ayer work well to offset the S3 atkspd debuff. I suppose if you don't use any of those operators, then maybe she might feel tough to get decent value. I always bring Sail and Skalter with me, so my Viviana has been cutting through everything. Playing around all of the additional synergies has been incredibly fun.
@@BlahBlahFreemanokay, now re-read your own comment You suggested _14_ operators that synergise with her to make viviana *decent* . Also, why use a flagbearer to increase her block count? She's meant to be a duelist, and trash mobs eat up her talent 2 shields which could be used to negate some of the damage that the boss deals. Flagbearer is a shitty synergy for candleknight. Also, why should I use viviana if there's better operators for soloing elite and boss enemies, such as hellagur with his s2 75% dodge (viviana has only an ~50% chance to resist an attack even with s3 active). Or someone like nearl alter with her true damage, or skadi with her massive stats? They require almost no support (except for a healer, which is also kinda optional if you have someone to provide passive regen), they work well with buffs (which candleknight requires in hard fights, while the mentioned operators don't) and they are fun to play with, because they have various cool talents instead of a basic "oh +10% shelter and +10% damage"
@@theguywhichismessingaround Synergies exist to make operators better, regardless of if they're great without them already. Viviana doesn't need synergies to make her "decent". She's already decent. They just make her better. You sound like someone who hasn't actually raised Viviana. If you have, and you've actually tried her use-cases you'd understand why Flagbearers, especially Sail is a powerful synergy. Among all the others as well. You don't have to use any of the operators I listed, but if you do they all benefit Viviana in impactful ways. I never said you had to play around her synergies. The argument isn't that you should use Viviana. It's that if you choose to, you'll find that she's more capable than people make her out to be, yourself included. It's like asking why people do AH clears, or any nicheknight comps. If you want to play meta, no one is stopping you. There's always going to be an most efficient clear; and if that's all you care about then Viviana isn't for you and that's fine. But doomposting about a capable kit just because the kit isn't meta is kind of silly imo.
@@BlahBlahFreeman she's a lot less capable than any of the previously released duelists. She sucks. Sure, you _can_ use her, but that doesn't change the fact that she is easily replaceable by any other 6* duelist-type of unit, and hell, even some 5* are better than her at dealing damage to tough enemies. She is usable, but certainly not worth the investment considering that her niche of "dueling tough enemies" is an overcrowded one and she isin't the best at that niche either
@@theguywhichismessingaround We can agree to disagree then. I would still recommend you actually raise and use her, or the next operator to decide to doompost on so at least your opinions aren't coming by proxy.
I wish her skill 3 was the nuke. Slap a 1500% art dmg on S3M3, which is basically the same as other 6* nuker if combined all their slashes, but make it so you have to charge it, and if you get reduced defense while charging. I can see the charge time allow you to stack atk buffs on her. We would have to rework the talent, but it would make a guard work a bit different.
She's not a nuker though, and wouldn't work well as one. Your entire idea is antithetical to what Viviana was designed to be. If you give her reduced defense to charge, she's going to get destroyed by anything that you would need the nuke for; which would mean you'd have to supplement her deployment with either a medic, guardian, or abjurer. When instead you can just supplement current Viviana with Leonhardt and you'd have essentially the exact same thing. In fact, current Viviana with Leonhardt support blows your idea out of the water in terms of general damage (3 auto attacks and 3 Leonhardt smashes), sustained dps; and still maintains the tankiness and duelist capabilities that Viviana has. In terms of practically, you're asking for a nerfed Viviana for the sake of mimicking her boss form. That's the problem with nukes. When you already have massively high damage skills in the game, you're forced to find a balance between cycling the nuke, giving it enough damage to be viable, and giving it enough range to be practical. And when you're dealing with an Arts Guard nuke, you're essentially competing with Amiya, who is going to nuke and then deal true damage to whatever is left alive. And you want Viviana to not be able to tank, only deal arts damage but equivalent to what Amiya/Chen/Degen can do; but then offer nothing else. So you'd either have to make Viviana do so much damage that the other nukers are obsolete, speed up the skill cycle with less damage to offset the spamability, or increase the range and offset the damage by forcing it into targeting priority or reducing the skill cycle. That's not a niches that need to be filled. Those are all options that already exist in the game.
@@BlahBlahFreeman I am advocating for her to be something with stupid risk that you shouldn't be able to get it off successfully in all stages while also capable of doing massive damge. AKA, I am advocating for her to be something like a 6* Conviction. I want her gameplay to reward you if you take the stupid risk, but pay off if it succeed massively. Like seriously, look at Conviction. Which niche does he replace? yet his kit is absolutely broken IF he gets to trigger that 800% dmg attack reliably. 1) Your first point is kinda silly or misunderstood my point because you only see her not as a nuker because she was released as such. I am saying designing her to mimick her boss ability is preferable. Her being just another art guard is uninspiring. 2) Yes, that is the point, you do a massive amount of damage but in exchange you are vulnerable to damage, it is called a glass cannon, it fits with her being more of a caster in the story and in fights 3) In my original comment, my point was that Vivianna could be geared toward a different playstyle/niche BECAUSE we already had a bunch of other nuker/dmg dealer who somehow is better at being an all-rounder in their respective class as well. The playstyle I am advocating for is one where you slow and crowd control mobs and/or block bosses while letting Viviane charge the attack. Those casters in the event are dangerous BECAUSE they kill you if you fail to CC them or bait their attack. Replicating that on the enemy require you to change your playstyle and try something new instead of just slapping a bigger cannon on a sniper. 4) In my imaginary design was originally gonna bank on the fact that her character charging time give you room to stack buff on her, making it easier to nuke for higher damage, but heck, yes, let her do absurdly higher dmg, 2500% dmg on a nuker, why not? But simply make it difficult to get that hit off, hell give her taunt and taking damage will cancel her skill early. That means that sure, you CAN get stupid damage that would make other operator obsolete, but if you are interrupted in anyway you will just get a dud. I would rather have that then oh, another dreadnaught but art guard this time.
I know people are disappointed that we didn't get the boom from her enemy version, I am a little bit too, but I'm really happy with the direction they went with even if it didn't turn out the strongest or most interesting. I think an arts guard is perfect for her character. She's a poet enamored by romantic tales of knighthood, of course she'd be a duelist.
as an Elafia-knights enjoyer, I'll take what I can get :') Great addition to my roster... actual Healer when tho? 😢 give me a Sami event with 5* Ritualist Gitano and 6* AoE Physical DPS Elafia! >:(
While it sucks to not have that explosion attack from NL she proved herself by stalling that ch13 boss while still dealing damage so she found a spot in my roster
I'm not sure where the idea comes from that RES ignore is the deciding factor for doing much more damage for Surtr. If you calculate it, which I did, then you will see that Surtr does 1% more damage than Viviana on an enemy with 70% RES. For elite enemies with lower RES Viviana does MORE damage because of her multiplicative Damage Buff and triple hits. Only against enemies with more RES does the RES ignore actually make Surtr come out on top. Against someone like Patriot with 45 RES Viviana does 20% more damage than Surtr. This might be a hard pill to swallow but in most cases Viviana actually power-creeps Surtr...
I take it you forgot about the increased attack interval. Surtr beats Vivana by nearly 50% against a 70% resist boss (1327 vs 934 dps). Even a 45 resist Patriot still takes more dmg from Surtr (1991 vs 1713 dps) Combined with the absurd setup difference of 5s vs 47s, it is hard to justify building Viviana, if you already have Surtr.
@@Lukashoffmann94 you're right I actually forgot about the increased attack interval. Nonetheless I would say the use cases are slightly different. In any case you can always make both work.
Personally, i don't even care that she's mid or underpowered compared to Surtr. I have pretty much all of the meta power i'll need for 99% of the game anyways, might as well build waifu instead. Also i have the Radiant Knight at home and she demands that her "roomate" is built as well Thanks for the video!
her s2 should be her s3, and her s3 should be that big ass nuke she got in the enemy version, other than that I love her (kinda forced to love her as I got her on pot6 on my 300 pulls lmao)
being a not-so-OP operator = people talk shit about it. being so BALANS operator = people talk shit about it. HG breaks the game bla bla bla. pure BS. i love her design so much and will definitely build her
The funniest part really is that like 90% of the people talking shit about Viviana (or any non-busted op) are people who never even raised her. They just saw other content creators trash her, of which those content creators are just parroting what the top level CN players had to say with zero regard for the fact that 99% of the playerbase doesn't play the game in the same capacity that the top level players do. The majority of the player base aren't doing single tile clears, or 1 op clears, or gimmickknight clears. But those are the players that are passing judgement on operators, and those opinions gets echoed out and you get people with an E0 lvl1 Viviana talking about how trash she is and how incapable of doing anything she is.
@BlahBlahFreeman Yall need to stop capping. Just build the ops you want but stop lying. My favorite Operator is Hoederer. I built him day one and M9d him. You don't see me sitting here lying that he's super great must build lol
@@BlahBlahFreemanyou don't need to be a great player to understand the flaws with her kit. She's bad. I mean, sure, she's not as bad as some other ops, someone like vigil or lessing, but she's still quite bad. The biggest problem with her is that her kit is unintuitive. Like, what the hell? Mr. Lee's talents, stats that are quite mediocre for a 6* unit in an offensive archetype, and mediocre skills that might as well be named "power strike a", "attack up b" and "attack up c". She has nothing special about her. Sure, her skill 2 is quite flashy, and her s3 can deal damage, but aside from that, she might as well be a melantha alter. And I hate that. I hate how they butchered viviana, whom was such a great side character in nearl light. I hate how they gave her no niche aside from some rng damage negation (can't even negate ranged damage, which most bosses deal nowadays) and additional stats increase when there's enemies in range. That's... Bullshit.
@@theguywhichismessingaround Again, you're complaining about a capable kit like it's incapable just because you had some preconceived notion of what Viviana should have been, so you refuse to see the merit of what she is. That's fine that you're disappointed in the implementation. Overblowing how "bad" she is when in reality she's not at all bad is just silly.
Finally someone knowledgeable makes a video about it. I've had more or less the same frustrations as you did upon hearing more about Viviana's kit on CN - a mystic caster would have fit so much better. Still committed to M9ing her regardless (and secretly grateful that Elafia get another ground unit)
Thank you for this video. I have Surtr and i love her ofc but i was so legitimately happy that i got Vivi with my free ticket over Arturia (Before anyone think "no way" I have a very healthy roster so more meta power is not a thing i care about anymore) Could she have had more of her character traits put into her kit? Yes, but even without it she's really cool. It is also really fun going for the overkill honestly and bully bosses with both her AND Surtr lol.
My biggest disappointment about Viviana: why is she even an arts guard? Why is she even a melee unit? Everything about her boss form was screaming “phalanx caster”. They could have at least made her a supporter. But no, she is just a mid guard
ppl using an absolutely unbalanced unit who should not exist(surtr)as a comparison standard is totally wrong,ppl are not used to balanced units like hoedy or viviana who can t just press a button to delete everything on screen cause somebody made a huge design error.
When she is first introduced, i bet everyone will think her class is a core caster, or atleast caster, judging by her signature nuke, and she use range attack when she's an npc, and BAM, she a goddam guard with an only good kit, well everyone got mad for a good reason
@@mysteryofn2955 I can personally see her gaining res ignore either by modified class trait(at module level 1) or on one of her talents through module upgrade. Imo I would go for adding res ignore as a module effect, since the other Module able receivers besides Surtr(Astesia and Mousse mainly) also lack Res ignore, and then use the module upgrades to buff her first talent.
@@mysteryofn2955 when she gets her module surtr will also get a mod though... poor wax squire viviana should have stayed a boss :{ (im really disappointed she doesnt have her unique attack for her s3)
@@Vladumere It’s also kind of hard to fix with a module though, given the type of modifications we can hope to expect from past module releases. Lvl 1 of module might give some Res shred at best, but the rest of the levels will just modify the talents. Neither talent is exciting or good enough to get much of a boost from module unless we are looking at increases in the magnitude of 50%+. My guess is that somewhere down the line, they will release a Viviana Alter with a nuke skill.
@@eufrosniad994 50%+ is beyond ridiculous. Giving her 1st talent module even another 10 percent would be massive. Going from 9% to 19% inherently is huge. And 38% without literally any outside buffs just from a talent itself is monsterous. On top of any res shred she might get as well. Viviana's first talent is primed to be one of the best single modules to be released, assuming HG doesn't undercut her with
Exactly. It wouldn't make sense for HG to release a unit that competes with Surtr, there's no reason to try to obsolete a unit that powerful. It's why Eyja is still Queen Caster. Look how fast everyone forgot about Phantom when Yato and Texalter showed up. And that's even considering that Phantom still has use cases that Yato and Texas can't compete with, but are so rare people consider Phantom dead now. Making Viviana a Duelist that actually duels instead of just nukes everything is better for the game. I see a lot of people complaining that she's not like her boss form with some huge AOE nuke. But the thing is...if you want a caster with a big AOE nuke, we have Eyja. And we have Leonhardt. I've seen people go as far as to say that Viviana should have a Modal Caster range aoe true damage nuke. It's like people don't want interesting units, they just want win buttons that fit within a characters theme. Imagine that actually made Vivi have an massive aoe true damage nuke. The reality is that it would need to be low sp cost, and be massive damage or people would still complain that she's not better than x, y, or z op. There's no winning unless you set a new standard for broken.
@BlahBlahFreeman I mean there is validity to what they say, could've been like an ash s3, limited use per deployment, it crazy but good enough but at the same time they gotta realise that bosses that become playable are heavily nerfed, examples like fighting general grievous but when you get him, he's hot garbage or shao khan in mk9 have hyper armor and high dps out the ass but being much weaker in mk11, these are inevitabilities that some just don't see. That being said, my bombshell german moose is fine as she is
@@TheWrathfulOni Yeah for sure. They could've went a few different ways with her kit. I feel like no matter though, people would've been upset unless she was as overpowered as the rest of the meta roster.
And then the elite/boss is ranged attack like Jesselton Phase 1, her shield only block melee damage and blocking also doesn't work she get screwed. Awkward lol
I feel like it would’ve made more sense to have her role be crowd control and the that would’ve also made sense with her boss version, instead of trying to directly do what surtr does. I got 3 copies of her trying to get Virtuosa but hey, I’ll give Viviana her chance
Good video. The vivi slander has been over the top. She has an S tier design and voice. And a B+ tier kit. She's easily incorporated. I do wish they had given her a flashier S3 aesthetically
I just started the game coz my friend showed my virtuosa. I got her and Vivianna, and the more I look at her the more I fall in love with the candleknight. Thanks for this video!
with viviana I was honestly expecting an AOE version of ebenholz. because you could clearly see the design space for it with her holding charges by lighting up her candles and possibly having a trait where her normal attacks do aoe damage with the range going up depending on how many stacks of charge it has. Pretty easy to design an operator with those machanics, like one skill where she wont attack without full charge and it charges faster, or one that just lets her build up charge higher than her limit and she wont attack, and you activate it again to let her attack again to nuke something. Or, if they really wanted the shield bit, another phalanx caster. the fact they made her a guard with basically nothing of her actual boss appearance is just really weird. Especially for how they managed degenbreacher, the first W, and mudrock.
mudrock might not be the best example enemy mudrock could summon nigh-indestructible golems I too wished for a flashier AoE casting skill from Vivi. But realistically..... the AoE casters in this game are pretty low-tier rn.
@@wilder6408 I can understand why the didnt do that for mudrock at that point in the game. The thing is they DID give us something very reminicient in how she actually acts as a boss translated into something we could use. Her lightning hammer strike -> spin to win. A summoner version of mudrock in the future would be neat too. Mainly, it's just when you see mudrock and how she plays, you can feasibly think 'oh, this is definitely a version of the character that was a boss I fought.' Compared to viviana pretty much having nothing in common over her boss counterpart.
@@wilder6408I mean, no. Boss Mudrock could not summon Golem. In the lore, yes, but the boss version didn't have a game mechanic that could interact with Golems and even less summon them
@@videoanon I would argue her imposing shields are the most iconic feature of the Mudrock boss fight, and they translated that very well to operator Mudrock. Viviana, though, what a waste. They should at least have translated the huge diamond nuke into operator Viviana, it was such an iconic part of her fight that losing it sucks. It might as well not be Candle Knight they released and just put in any random character, her design and kit is so generic and boring
@@leonidesbabanto1585 yeah, hence why I thought mystic caster with an aoe extra trait on top would be a fun idea. 1 charge for normal attacks to also attack 4 tiles around a chosen enemy in the cardinal directions, 2 charges for the 8 surrounding tiles, and 3 for the maximum diamond shape attack. especially since they have high single shot damage ceilings and are already known to wait around charging their attacks. As another trait add burn damage on top too, why not. Big issue is they already had plenty of design space to make an interesting operator for us to use and instead gave us... current viviana. who is, as has been repeated a lot, EXTREMELY uninspired.
I still think Viviana should have had an infinite skill. She has a clear focus on dueling elites while staying on the field but then they didn't give s2 or s3 "upon second activation, duration becomes infinite". Edit: Yeah you have the same opinion as me. I like a lot of "bad" 6* (Ho'ol, Vigil, Lessing, etc) but I feel conflicted on whether or not I even want Vivi (I am waiting for the end of free pulls) bc her kit is like, really plain with no fun synergies or cool ideas behind it, but her design and effects are so nice
Her S1 should've been the infinite skill honestly. Should've been a double hit skill where she heal for a portion of the second hits damage. Also, I disagree with your statement of no fun synergies. I'd argue the synergies Viviana has are what makes her fun. She's kind of the perfect canvas for any buff your standard team uses. Any Flagbearer turns her into an AOE Arts Guard, that comes with a slow, heal, or fragility; which works well with both S2 and S3. Ines's slow and reveal is great if that's your opener as it helps Viviana not leak. All the dollkeepers are amazing frontal pair for Viviana, especially Iana. Skalters S2 buff is multiplied by the double and triple hits. Skyfires talent is amazing. Prams entire kit is perfect for Viviana. Saria, Gnosis, and Suzu are forever useful Leonhardt is on demand wave thinning and res shredding Ange's slow cycle perfectly covers Vivi CD, and atkspd offsets the debuff on S3. Ptilo and Quercus are amazing her for skill cycles. Aak S3 can be tanked on skill extremely easily. The most fun is Heidi S2 and a flagbearer that essentially means Viviana is a perma 2-block unit and 3-block on skill for the entire stage with S2. Regardless of if you use meta ops or off meta teams Viviana can benefit from so many synergies, half the fun of trying them all out and seeing which are better for each stage you bring her too.
@@BlahBlahFreeman You're right. I suppose I was thinking about units who become useful in interesting ways. Viviana can use basically every buffer and debuffer we currently have in the game but I don't expect to ever feel that "Wow! I got to try out a cool idea that specifically plays to some weird strength/trick this operator is capable of" bc she is just a fairly tanky guard who does decent arts damage. Nothing more and nothing less.
What iddentity? 1 big boom every 30sec? if so this kit, no matter how bland, is still far more interesting... her S1 have more though put into it than her entire enemy "kit"
@@kevinseraphin5456 I mean HG can make her like that and it was easy Make her atk range like 3x3, damage increase to 200% with ignore res by 10 and hit 4 enemies. And this skill charge to 1 and only once use every charge. It's not that hard for HG I mean degen get this particular so what's the issue? HG want to make generic operator
@@abrahamwijaya6631They could have, but they didn't, they didn't had to, I too would have prefered a more interesting kit, but I'm fine with what we got, a less stupidly broken Surtr, wich I don't use because I feel my braincells falling on the ground doing so. Controversial opinion: generic operator also have a place in the game. Not every ops need to have a stupidly overbloated kit like Logos, it's also nice to keep it simple sometime.
Not realy, The candle knightclub specializes in 'long range arts' you can see that in her enemy version description, But i understand what you mean, And agree. WE WANT NUKES
I think one consistent thing I'm getting from your operator videos is that Manfred is a really well made boss. He actively discourages a lot of common unga bunga and gives a nice chance for operators with other niches to shine.
I disagree. The fact that manfred has a shield that only goes down for a few seconds after getting nuked encourages unga bunga strats. You basically want to nuke him in that dps window before he gets his annoying shield back up. Either that are stall him out
@@SunDry_Marchy the zombie lover twink psycho shota that gets a free originium shower in chapter 6 I think. You gotta stall that boss , it stacks a global poison dot everytime you do certain amount of damage. Typhon S3M3 shits on him in 5 seconds , but then you die.
Viviana is one of the few operators that I pulled not because of meta-or gameplay, but because I loved the character. And to be honest, I had fun using her for this event story. She's been performing better than expected. I will say though, if HG really wants to elevate this character to new heights, then they should give her a module that allows her a small (or fixed) chance of marking enemies and making them detonate several seconds after, dealing 3x3 AOE arts damage (just like Reed Alter, minus the chain-explosion). It fits in line with her lore abilities as well.
Tbh it is should be her first or second talent, the most thing i dissapointed on her design is that HG didn't bring the boom thing on her, it could be interesting and fun if they put it on her, i don't feel module will give that thing even the special one, bcoz it would like she has like 3 talent instead 2.
haven't watched the video, but I wanna say thank you for this, I feel like the community collectively disregards any arts fighter that's not surtr, even tho I personally love all of them as characters, i have to admit they're not my first choice for any stage really, so this series of videos you do is really nice, cuz a lot of characters I like for whatever reason are also weak lol.
I still wish on how she couldve been THE FIRST elemental damage appliers along with virtuosa, except shes a burn applier..especially since theyre in the same debut banner! Calling her bad imo is just not right but totally underwhelming for how much hype she had as an enemy unit :') still love and got her nonetheless
Mediocre unit. Atrocious when compared to how she was hyped to be in story and not in terms of power, but in terms of how her arts work, beautiful Arts fighter that uses shadows to gain advantage on her opponent, to the point of being able to counter Margaret's blinding light. In terms of gameplay she's 2 years old, dead on arrival. I don't think she'd be good to duel any boss released in the past 2 years as most deal severe arts dmg, are unblockable or have some sort of multihit, which counters her shield hard. I really think she was supposed to be released in Near Light as welfare unit and they legit released her 2 years later without updating her kit. Also why are you all comparing her with surtr directly, as you said yourself, they work differently. One is a 'duelist?(?)' with mediocre damage, no selfsustain and mediocre survivability, the other is a Nuker/staller/helidropper. There's nothing to compare between the two, if you are a player who wants to deal with a boss, you put surtr, and 4 dedicated units to burst the boss down. The first way to deal with a boss is to burst it down. Nuker are overall better duelist, Margaret is a good duelist cuz she summons a pretty bulky unit that stalls the boss for her, and she stuns, her kit is pretty cohesive, high atk with decent armor ignore. Works great against most bosses. Viviana is not a good duelist at all, the only reason why people call her a duelist is that she has 1 block, and attacks a single target. She doesn't have duelist traits, which are: Some sort of strong self sustain or ability to keep up with the enemy (the shield is puny and only physical). she's fragile af. In reality, Viviana is a single target 1 block arts guard, not a duelist. or better, she is if you think a unit with 1 block is automatically a duelist. Which means...if I debuff any tank to 1 block, they become duelists! Rofl. The logic sure works irl, but in a game perspective, there's more that should be considered when deciding what and who is a duelist. For example, Franka has a pretty fun niche when used well, but I would not define her a duelist as she has no way to survive a duel with...basically anything lol, but she does have some decent damage. Mudrock S3 makes her become a duelist if you ask me, Penance with S3 active and max shield is a duelist ready to fight. Margaret S2 and S3 make her a decent duelist with different niches.
To me, Viviana is a bit self-contradictory. With her S3, she prioritises attacking Elites, but wants to be deployed where that priority is not really needed. Add the extra range and there's suddenly the impression of deploying her behind another unit to focus the Elites among the common enemies. But that means voiding her Shield, which can only block melee damage. And a question I have regarding her is how blocking a common enemy affects her damage dealing. Is she still attacking the incoming Elite? I get that this is not really a concern in the use-cases you have shown, but it is relevant when thinking about making full use of every aspect. Because there's always something left on the table otherwise. Still, even a Module that gains benefits from the Shield would only do so much. A benefit when she loses it would incentivise dueling, but that either makes her priority rather niche or fail to make full use of her extra range again. A benefit to having it would make using Viviana's S3 comparatively lacklustre when actually dueling, since that benefit might not be active on her next attack. Best of both worlds would be a benefit to the Shield that sticks around long enough for Vivi to attack again and get it back. Given that there's a 16.6% of NOT getting the Shield in three hits at the moment (without Potentials), even a small increase of 5% would bring that down to 1 in 8. Still not completely reliable, but enough so that her damage in this offence orientated META would improve. Her S2 is more consistent in this, even if it turns her into "just" a direct upgrade to Astesia. Still, it would be the way I use her most at the moment. We don't have a lot of good options when it comes to melee Arts Damage Dealers that can also take a punch. But this too greatly diminishes the impact her Shield has. Because she isn't dueling as much anymore since she turns into more of a lane holder. In the end, Viviana really does not live up to the hype. The big nuke in her enemy version was just too much. Although I have to say that this playstyle was kind of foreshadowed. Vivi's match against Margret was marked by how well she endured the onslaught by ways of using her Arts to both mitigate and counter the Radiant Knight. Meaning that this version is much more lore accurate than the other. For now, I am hoping that discourse around her calms down soon and that we will get to see some high profile uses for her on EN servers.
I''ll bet none of the criticism would be there if she just had her WTF BOOOOM!!! nuke implemented in some way, even if just the freakin visual effects... Arturia was already the Meta, Viviana was supposed to be the fun, gimmicky shit, like Irene or Bikini Swire!
As a low budget player, I can't really afford to spend hundreds of rolls on someone who does what my current operators do, but not quite as well. Heck, even if she were free, I'm not sure I'd rush to max her out
yeah, I agree-vivianna’s moveset really doesn’t scream candle knight-no fire, no light, just slashes that she’s not really known for I feel like they could’ve given her explosions as part of her moveset as either a defensive tool or to clear minions around bosses-if that’s too broken, then follow the ‘illumination’ part of being the candle knight and have her give bosses increased taunt along with a mark/invisibility ignore! also this is more of a me thing but I wish her shields aren’t melee-only-a lot of bosses nowadays and even back then use ranged attacks or even don’t use melee in the first place-making them also block ranged attacks from those bosses would be nice, too…
@@oklahoma8666 Always a possibility for her second talent to have a breaking modifier like Mudrock and Nian got. Every shield that breaks explodes and reduces enemy res by x%.
Did literally nobody read Near Light? People are all confused at the Elite enemy Viviana, that is the Candle Cult signature move, not Viviana's. Boss/elite enemies are not canon to the story. Ursula had no mentions in story of fighting by respawning at an altar, but you won't go around saying she respawns? If you want to see how Viviana fights, go read her duel with margaret in near light.
Am I happy she's here? Heck yes! Am I happy I pulled her? Yep! Am I gonna e2 L90 M3 her? Yep! Do I wish she actually DID something with her, you know, candlelight? ...also yes :/
Hundred and 180 pulls: -3 viviana -1 mizuki Fuck it we ball builded her just for coming home trice my 1 year of savings? Back to zero Nian rerun is comming? Fuck it like bro she's dedicated to stop me from getting virtuosa she my main dps now.
So does her shield block melee only or what's going on in the Manfred clip Also Surtr's 8 sec immortality can be better depending on the threat. A high HP pool combined with it can wall out a high atk fast aspd enemy that'd shred Vivi, but Vivi definitely wins out on slow, hard hitting enemies.
i pulled Vivi on the 10 pull free thingy, but my problem with her is that she gives the 'i gonna 1v1 solo bosses' vibes wich made me not want to build her so much, cus i'm used to use the whole team to kill bosses, in fact i compared her with guard Amyia wich is the one who usualy tank the boss wile every other character gives suport due her true damage and pasive buff to every operator making her a solid pick for the job.
Honestly, I feel like the only reason why Viviana is ok is because game is just let you get away with using her, by that I mean - general content in AK is pretty easy to the point even bad ops can do some fair job here and there, while I wouldn't say she's unusable, I could say her kit is flawed, but at least not killed by enourmous sp costs like for some other ops
I’d say the “problem” with Vivi is that she plays like a 5 Star with inflated stats. (Or a 6 Star with two S2s) The player base is used to Guards who are either AFK perma-skills like Mountain & Thorns, or Heli-drop F*ck You buttons like Surtr Also, you’d expect Vivi to be a Mystic Caster. I honestly imagined Shining Alter to have a kit like this
Ok so I've started playing 6 days ago, ad apparently the Virtuosa/Viviana banner has a 20% chance to drop a 6 star in my account, now I have both of them, and just with the daily free pulls. I've heard of how Viviana is considered weak and trash, but honestly I don't care so much since I'll consider my account completed once I'll get both Exusiai and Nian; anyway, thanks for the video and for explaining why she isn't trash, I have no idea yet of what her role in the story is, but I really like her design, she looks so seraphic and majestic, and will really like to use her.
I was going to build her regardless of thinking she was bad but you really changed my mind here about her being bad. And yeah I think she gets the hate because she's the same role as the easy button of Surtr, and performs absolutely nothing like the boss.
I know this is a lot of copium but it would be very interesting if they gave her an elemental module (epsilon?) and she starts dealing burn damage. It would be very fitting for her both aesthetically and gameplay wise (burn damage deals arts damage explosion + lowers enemy res by 20)
I wanted her because she left a strong impression. I pulled for her even though her kit dissapointed me. Thanks for the analysis, I think I might enjoy her more now
I didn't get Viviana... got pot 2 Virtuosa instead. Still a great video my guy! Knowing I can't even have her but knowing that someone appreciate her, makes me feel a bit better of not having her Edit: Nvm I got pot 3 Vituosa now 💀
