One enemy in wave one, one enemy in wave two. Having just a single enemy in one wave makes it that your NP refund for the n3xt wave will be dismally low so you can't just rely in only two Castorias.
Advantage Each has Astarte: Still pretty much usable in any of the 3 Cards and get good milage for each Mara: Fastest NP Animation, Better Refund and Highest Damage with Black Grail and S2's Charm (Even with Oberon) Anubis: Spookable and Theoretically easier to NP5, assuming luck is on your side and we got more SSR Tickets Disadvantage Each has Astarte: S3 still more chance to miss compare to Kama's which can hurt her damage Mara: Against Servants with Magic Resistence is where her Damage is at risk Anubis: 100% Charge comes at a price of having the same crap Gain as Young James. But compensate somewhat by the 50% 3 Turns Arts
I'd add space Ishtar charm being very situational. Skama having low damage due to needing to use her charm damage mod last turn and nitrocris alter double edge sword of being a general pool servant making her harder to np 5 as well if she almost never gets banners too.
Things you missed; -Kama has poor damage outside W3. And her damage variance on that last wave is highly dependent on charm (i.e. damage drops by ~40% if charm fails to proc). -Nito has gutter-level damage. Hits even worse than Muramasa and us outdamaged at NP2 by lv.80 NP5 Iyo. Her niche is also bad because her competition is every buster AE and she starts off with Attribute disadvantage to her own niche. Conversely, she's also the only Arts AE that can triloop 1/1/x formations without starting gauge.
@ivanbluecool Kama doesn't have poor damage, her W1/2 damage is only ~10% less than the other 2, but she blows them out of the water in terms of W3. Nito is the only one with poor damage, similar to Spish in W1/2 and just slightly higher than Kama, but vastly inferior in W3, which matters the most. Her W3 is even worst than Muramasa at neutral, and needs to hit Human trait to equal both Spish/Kama vs everything, at neutral she'd need NP4 to match a free lv80 Iyo, and just like you said, perma SSR is hard af to get NP level outside her banner, I still don't have a single Artoria after 4+ years in JP.
@@lhv2k not really. Some middle waves have more hp than normal so skama will need to use her skill to add damage making some situations lower her output compare to space Ishtar making turn 3 even more of a gap when it happens. So by that logic skama has as many if not more negatives by how her charm can flak her too if she's a lower np level as space Ishtar can get ramp up without s3 needed until wave 3 if at all as I hardly use it because farming is easy by then to nuke wave 3 Nitocris battery keeps her relevant for the loops as general pool servants get weird kit forms for balance aside ending Muramasa isn't in the same ball park as most would silently agree by never bringing him up. Iyo not sure why people bring her up when ranmaru is more a fit to to compare and she works fine while being an easy np 5 unit but guess like most guda units she is easy to forget. Nitrocris dual blade sword as while she can spook the ups are high and the downs are low as less banner opportunity can affect her same with people who get gssr rolls and these years we have seen space Ishtar get a good deal of banners with skama before and after ibuki. Nitrocris alter I doubt she will get much being a pre banner and they will probably rerun the main banners like Morgan
Despite being 'old', I am amazed SIshtar is still able to stay relevant to their new competitions Not that she is weak or anything in the first place, though Despite only having np1 (but lv.100 + fou'd), I love her even more now. My favorite omnifarmer up to date.
Np1 lvl 100 max foued spishtar did the task for me, she's my savior when I don't have a class advantage to farm with, and the awesome thing is that she can farm with any card type
My love for Ishtar is bigger that the origin universe! She will be perfect! I just need 1 more bond level to unlock her last append. Otherwise she's already at NP5, lvl 120, max gold fou'd and 3 cards max paws
Honestly, use the one that loves you the most, aka, the one with highest np level. Now I cannot wait to read the story of the person who spend 500 dollars into np 2 SIshtar only to Nitocris to spook him 4 times in a week
SpIshtar in my opinion will always have a place in the meta simply cause of her 2nd skill. The luxury to be able to change her card type makes her fit in any team comp with any of the meta supports. Also the fact that her np gets stronger every time she uses it is incredibly useful especially for the final round. She may not be the strongest but arguably she may be the most useful.
Her 2nd skill makes her unique but that alone won't give her a place in any meta like you say. Sure she can be supported by new meta supports but she'll be replaced by better (read: proper class advantage) DPSes if that's the case. What truly makes her a powerhouse in any meta aside from her gimmick of changing NP colors is her kit. Seriously it's loaded with damage steroids of different types (atk up, np damage up, card effectiveness up) with a 3T ramping NP damage up. And that's not all, the 50% battery is another part of her arsenal that makes her so versatile. It's not fair saying she stays relevant just because of her NP change gimmick I think.
@@morsayxd she might not always be “meta”. Dante’s was top of the meta once, now there’s several avengers better than him. You never know what new avengers and supports they’ll introduce
Advantages Spishtar: will always be great. She can survive meta changes if you commit enough to her Kama : the best for Lotto because of her fast animation. Heavier damage for 1 turn due to charm. Nito : permanent so can spook. Also has a 100 battery Disadvantages Spishtar: always best with arts so her np level needs to be really high to loop with other card types. RNG based skills Kama : low second turn damage which sometimes makes you required to get np2. Any charm resist and her damage will be suspect Nito : lowest damage overall
From where i stand kama still slaps but it doesnt really matter , they pretty much can do the same things , i prefer kama from the rest but i will just try to get all of them , i wish nitocris was buster btw
S. Kama gets screwed over against anyone with debuff or charm immunity, and a lot of bosses have that these days. Space Ishtar is far more reliable in that she will hit everyone equally hard, regardless of any immunity.
While Nito Alter hits the weakest of the 3, she has the most flexiblility in that she can literally do X/X/X nodes, as shown by her doing 1/1/X nodes in this video, which is literally the worst possible wave setup for an aoe looper.
@@thatonecanadianguy6523 she is more likely to get screwed because her art buff is rng , so rejected , in farming debuff immune do not exist , rejected yet again , in a cq settings , spishtar is less self-sufficient since her survavibility is pretty mediocre and her gain stats are inferior , even if with the debuff res argument , that still remain a situational occurence so most of the times kama slaps , OVERALL , kama negs , like it or not
AHHHH i love the design of alter nito but she lacks damage on np1, she does 100,000 less damage than kama also np1... thats annoying cuz i love her design and i want to use her but its kinda hard
So, music themes for each set seems to match the servant, but I don't quite know all of them Set 1: SI: SWII battle theme SK: Ooku battle theme NA: LB7 battle theme Set 2: SI: Ascension 1/2 NP theme SK: Summer 6 battle theme NA: ??? Set 3: SI: Ascension 3 NP theme SK: Beast 3/L theme NA: ???
Kama is best. Always will be. Unless Aoko is brought in the game as an arts looper. Then Kama will no longer be best. Pretty safe bet whenever she comes, she'll be buster though.
MLB Black Grail really skewed the result. Without BG Nitocris will have damage issues and so does Kama. Without BG Nitocris will have issues killing beefy W2 enemy if it isnt man attribute. Kama also has damage issues outside of her charm turn and her charm can fail against servant. Using CE to loop 90+ nodes is not a remarkable feat cuz all buster servant can do it. With 30% charge CE Space Ishtar can triloop 1/1/x node with double koyanskaya n oberon, is it impressive? Nope.
Help me out here. I know that the second theme used for Nito is Sera's theme from Duel Links and the third theme used for is Atem's theme. But what's the first theme used for Nito? I'm guessing based on the other two that it's also a theme from Yu-Gi-Oh, but I don't recognize it.
@@nonehasenemies bruh I get she's still Nitocris but why would she lack damage?? She's an avenger, with literally the same attack as Spishtar. Spishtar does have a lot more steroids, but that literally doesn't matter when Oberon exists, with who she's gonna be looping 1/1/x nodes with.
Mostly speculation on my part, but unless you have fairly high NP lvl or the node has very weak mobs, she may struggle to clear waves since she's relying entirely on her own steroids and BG. She already gets a man attribute bonus so Koyan makes that even more overkill, but outside man attribute it could get pretty rough with only NP1.
From my calcs, no! 1st wave: her own battery = 10%-19% refund including passive so let's say 10 2nd wave: one castoria 50%, plugsuit oberon for +20% and the other castoria +20% =20% refund + passive 3rd wave: Castoria 30% + Oberon's 50% + last wave refund then boom. But at this point i would bring a ST servant unless i have a big copy of her (lvl 120 2k fou NP3+) witch i'll definetely try to get tbh
How good is her looping compared to Muramasa? I have him at NP5 + castoria's new year CE MLB and with double castoria he can loop with no problem even against archer and berserkers.
Well, np3 spishtar deal more damage than np5 muramasa and she didn't afraid against "archer" Class. Not to mention that she can do that without any specific mc and ce. So, that's it
If you are talking about avenger nito, she can loop beserkers and do 1/1/x nodes with ces that don't have starting charge. You might struggle with damage at lower np levels but that's with every servant
@@kun2588 Muramasa needs specific MC and CE bro, you can't just randomly put buster and quick CE on him or MC with buster up and quick up as he is an Arts specialist.
The recharge on hers is nice but IMO quick should be the card type to handle these types of nodes. Rather than looping quick should be able to focus on face cards so I feel quick dps should have skills that insert their face cards if there are none in the deck. Quick should not be able to loop as easily as arts or hit as high single turn dmg as buster but they should crit harder and more importantly, more reliably than the others. The fact it’s not reliable is the main issue, RNG stacked is not good. They need a way to reduce the star gen, gather, and shuffle rng. If quick doesn’t get all three of those then it doesn’t matter if they’re great at one or two of them. That or they need ways to make the entire party’s face cards hit like trucks. Just imagine if Achilles had that ability though to just force some quick cards in the deck. It would be great in 3/1/2 situations especially tied to his third skill.
Kinda new on fgo, i want to ask between merlin and zhuge liang which one is more suitable for space ishtar? Since i dont have castoria yet 😔 which one do you guys think good support for her?
Waver (Zhuge Liang), simply because he has more NP charge compared to Merlin. Merlin works well at CQ or hard fights with Space Ishtar, but in general, I prefer Waver.
Summer Kama and Nitocris are probably my favorites because of Kama's Bond CE which increases damage against charmed enemies and because I love both of them, especially Nitocris, I also like Space Ishtar but I like the other two a lot more.
@Đức Mạnh Vương yea ik but wouldn't it be better to compare at least the big arts loopers especially when someone like ibuki exists that rivals these 3?
@@RaidenSimp117 no need to compare. SHe's a berseker, so anything that's not a berserker or foreigner she's gonna destroy w/o any competition. Any arts looper rn just looks like fodder, it's not even a competition. And srsly I have seen people argue abt 1/1/1 node but like at that point, why not bust out your Vlad/Kriemhild?
Having NP5 Spishtar means I won't be actively rolling for the other two. If Nitocris Alter spooks me someday I'm very okay with that though and I have my Kama fix through her Assassin @ NP3 so I'm good. BTW if you are going to plugsuit Oberon in on that 1/1/X node, how about just instead using a sabre on the first unit, and then plugsuit them out and allow Spishtar or Kama to take out the last two waves? Like I said, I'll keep my Spishtar thanks.
They can farm irregulars. Just need starting ce. Nito alter needs the black grail to do similar damage to them. In fact, the 100% battery is the reason why she isn't outshined by the other two
Because she indeed does, at the same NP level she got vastly outdamaged in W3 by the other 2, and needs to hit Human trait just to equal them. At neutral she hits even worse than Muramasa at neutral, and needs NP4 to match a free lv80 Iyo.
@@Cheroobian I don't know if Sumer has a flag, the iraqian flag is the most accurate one for her since Sumer was located where now there is Iraq... history and geography are important
