thank you Barry I would have preferred using Chinese to leave my comment but my computer is not helpful ! I was in EAST 2 Group, December 2022, Five Precepts confer ceremony, just yesterday. I have been watching your youtube video on robing and unrobing which had helped me overcome procedural confusion. I believe I had been directed to your video by Pu Sa helping me progress in my conferal. This experience builds my confidence in my believes. Lu Kwong