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I concur

God bless u..my thought aswell

You answered it all

This sounds quite childish to me they are espousing two distinct doctrinal positions; ARMENISM and CALVINISM...they are both valid! I am more with Oyedepo!

Jesus said...any branch in me (in Christ) that does not bare fruit shall be cut off and cast into the fire. See John 15:1-10 Any branch..we are the branches and Jesus is the vine...be careful...Not all the virgins in Mathew 25:1-12 entered the Kingdom

John 6:37

@@jonahjohnbaba yes Jesus Christ wouldn't reject you, but you can reject him because you have your freewill and your salvation is based on your freewill, as someone freely on his own accepted Christ same person can also freely on his own reject Christ.

Beautiful scripture...

Work out your salvation in fear and trembling.

Hebrews 10:39 says But we are not of those who draw back to perdition,we believe to the saving of the soul,why did you quote only verse 38?without 39?

The security of our salvation in the hand of Christ is the foundation on which we are saved. If the foundation is uncertain, then our lives will be full of uncertainty as well, and we will not be bold in this very witness of salvation in Christ. We are not save base in our own idea of salvation, but rather we are saved because God has save us with His salvation. We cannot lose something which is God, and a gift given to us unless we refuse the gift then we will not have it, but is God has ENABLED us the accept the gift there are be no way we lose it. Man has no effort, because even the creation of man is by God. God begins us, performs it, and bring us to fullness. Hallelujah! Jesus is LOrd!

Till the end. Thanks. You're on point

The book of James is the oldest book in the new testament. Remember James was among the people who preached wrong doctrines to the Galatians church? Paul preached grace to them, James and Peter came up to preach the law. So, James was growing. As at the time he wrote the book of James , he was legalistic. This is why you need discernment while studying the scriptures

@@kennethifeloa1178 Who taught you that?... And why did you believe them?

@@MrMarkovka11 which part are you talking about?

@@kennethifeloa1178 the entire thing, as it insinuates that James was disqualified to write that epistle to the church since he didn't understand the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Alleluia

Please read your Bible.

Pls spend time with your bible. Just found this channel. It's amazing!

That portion was talking about given in context and not salvation

Exactly the man who sows to the spirit will reap the spirit see let me tell you the sower soweth the word if you sow the word you would reap the word you sow to your flesh you would reap destruction

So what have you reaped so far? Or you don’t sin at all?????

So what did you sow for Christ to die for you?

@@freedombarisua6950So is giving a requirement for Eternal life?? Just a simple question.

Glory to God.......

Hebrews 12:1-2 NLT

Simple

Thank you

And that is the continuous working out of righteousness; which we must all keep at. This is in fact what, when a Christian stops doing, we can then say that they have backslidden. It does not mean that they have lost their salvation. But that they have put a brake on "looking unto Jesus".

The criminal on the right hand of Jesus did not confess Jesus as saviour but I tell you that his salvation was guaranteed according to scripture

This is different, you can't choose to lose it. If you are born of your father, you renouncing your father, does it change the fact that you were born of your father? He that is born of Spirit is spirit sir. You are spirit already, you can simply say that you don't want to be spirit again after being spirit. When you were of the adamic nature, no matter what good works you do, none will change your nature from being adamic, not until Jesus Christ the savior came.

It's a one way bus, once you are in you are in God doesn't record sin against you sir! Think about it. Romans 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. You are already one with Christ!

@@amehgift6105 That's how you people foolishness miss it. Did the one at the right acknowledge is wrongs or not? I feel sorry for all you wanting to love the world and God at the same time. The guy knew he was a sinner and acknowledged Jesus to be the savior, that was why he said remember me in your kingdom but before he said that, he acknowledged his wrong. What is repentance? Acknowledging you did wrong and changing from it.

@@toluwasethomas600 You quote scriptures without understanding. Once saved is always saved then why was the church warned in the book of revelation?

It's an issue of IDENTITY vs CONDUCT. By virtue of believing on the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, you become a child of God. That's your new IDENTITY and nothing can change that. Now that you're saved, you are expected to grow and mature and behave as a child that you are. It's possible to be a child and still misbehave, it doesn't mean your sonship has been rescinded, but that you've not taken up responsibility yet as a child. Your son can offend you at home and be rude to you, but he still remains your child. With good training and maturity, he'll begin to behave more as he ought to. The way you'd react to him would be as a son, compared to if it were a random boy outside, even if they both displayed the same rude behaviour towards you. Same concept here, we are children of God, and will remain so, because we believed the gospel of Christ, not because of what we did. This is why we're to grow in knowledge of Christ, to renew our minds, to not be conformed to this world. The more we grow in Christ, and in consciousness of who we are as children of God, the more we begin to conduct ourselves as we ought to. The conduct is not to become saved, but as a result of our salvation, and growing in the faith. This is what it means to work out. After all, you can't bring out what isn't there in the 1st place. If you're told to go fetch water from a well or tap, you don't go there wondering if water is there, you go with the assurance that the water is IN the well ALREADY, your own job is to bring it out. This is our assurance, that we are saved eternally. It's on us to behave like responsible children. A good understanding of this will even help you shun the "anyhow" lifestyle. Some people say it's the license to sin, no. Our free will was the license to sin from the beginning. Now, we live after the nature of whom God has made us, saved men. In fact, many times Paul wrote to the churches in the epistles, reprimanding them and correcting them and telling them how to conduct themselves in line with their IDENTITY as Christians. Yet, at the beginning of every letter, he always addressed them as FELLOW SAINTS and BRETHREN, even when he was correcting their acts. Because he knew that, they were still growing in the faith, and would make mistakes, and when they come to fill realisation of who they are in Christ, and walk in responsibility, in the calling of Christ and their conduct, it would reflect in their conduct. This is even what makes a difference between us believers and unbelievers. Because why else would I tell an unbeliever to become saved, if after coming to Christ, he can't even be sure he's fully secured in him or I can't be assured of my own salvation. He might as well continue in his ways, if we're both in the same shoes then. What makes us saved is believing in the redemptive work of Christ, and we gain that IDENTITY of saved men forever. That is the foundation on which we build our faith walk, and take on responsibility.

@@thevalueadder Bless you ma

@@comfortbibama2774 Amen ma. God bless you too 🤗

Your lack of scriptural understanding, rather than choosing to stand on the docy=trine f men is what you should be careful about. First of all, if you are genuinely saved, you would always desire to live a holy life. If the seed of God is in you, you won't be bothered about living a worldly life, rather it would irritate you. Check your heart.

Heb 7:25 "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."

My sister thank you for your understanding, because once save is not always saved, most people out back to there old ways and rededicate there life to God.

Thank you my dear . The bible says " He that plows and look back is not fit for the Kingdom ".

I choose to disagree, the concept of salvation in the scriptures is anchored on belief and confession in Romans 10:10-13,and NOT how well you walk without sin as you're trying to depict..a closer look at chapter 3 of galatians you can tell that the just can only live by faith and not works,verse 11..otherwise we all would still need a high priest to still go into the most holy place to offer sacrifices for our sins and then that would mean Christ died for nothing if his own blood was not able to cleanse us galatians 2:21...So therefore in conclusion though i still got a lot to say,is that all who are in christ did not come on their own,John 6:44 and this according to my understanding is that they were chosen in him before the world began ephesians 1:4 then Romans 8:30 comes in....so then the just shall live by faith.and this faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God Romans 10:17,and this word of faith is ....if you believe in your heart...and confess Jesus Romans 10:8-10...stay blessed as you meditate and ask the Holy Spirit for revelation and illumination..Jesus is Lord

Please Read Hebrew 12:1-2 NLT

You are most welcome. We need to endure till end by His grace without being careless. Remember the parable of 10 virgins.

I don't agree with you

How can an eternal God produce a temporal salvation! We were not saved by our actions or works, Christ obtained for us eternal salvation. Hebrews 9:12, John 10:28-30!

What about Moses who didn't enter the promise land

Dear there is no need for all these interpretative gyration. Once save is not always saved. Those who work in the Spirit and in Truth understands this. There is no way "Once saved always saved" and "One can lose salvation" can make sense together if you really understand what both claims really mean

Work out not work for and even the working it's God that's working in you both the will to do it and the doing.

Thank you for understanding. But since they have been given to their own desires; they would never understand.

There is a working out and there is working in which are my and God's responsibilities. God has given you a new life, you have to work it out daily by making wise decisions which will you make you more like Christ. Salvation is a working out and working in by the spirit of God. Judas was a believer and a follower of Christ yet he allowed the enemy to deceive him and he hanged himself. My question is if a believer dies through fornication, will he or she be saved?

​@patiencequansah4452 Judas NEVER was a believer. (John 6:64, 70, 71). What takes a man to heaven is not his good deeds whether he did them before he became born again or after he became born again. What qualifies a man fir heaven is only ONE THING - FAITH IN CHRIST!

Colossians 1:13 When one becomes born-again, he is translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of God's dear son. If reversing this path is possible that should also suggest that the devil at a point became more powerful than our Lord, which is impossible. In Romans 8:28 scriptures say nothing shall be able to separate us from the love of God. How do we know we are born again? Our spirits bear witness with the Holy Spirit, and the Word of God says so. And we possess the ability, love to do right, simply walk in the spirit and not in the fleshly desires. At any point in time, a man's biggest need is the Holy Spirit. That communion energies us with the mastery to know and to do His will. Whenever there's topical arguments like this amongst believers, it means they are not in deep communion with the Holy Spirit. Here's the point, the Holy Spirit will always tell you the truth. After He told you it doesn't matter what others have to say, they are not better teacher than Him. My Christian bro/sis, close your ears from the noises that come from pulpits of those who want attention to themselves. Develop a habit of having exclusive quiet time with the Holy Spirit and be satisfied with what He says and follow His leads.

What is matured in that. I agreed that its one destiny to be save. so therefore let us sin for we are already saved. Its not à subject of debate if you think once save is always save good for you, if you think once save is not always save better for you at least thé later help you to protect your salvation with humility. Making fun of each other about salvation is childish and of no used to the cross of Christ.

Amen hallelujah

Try dey read the next verse after working your salvation stop quoting half way

Read that scripture to the end and further...…." For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure"

How would you convert an unbeliever when your salvation has no guarantee?

You can't my dear, Christ has done it for you, just believe him and trust him

@@joshuasmartdiem1979 my brother I wonder

Powerful answer. You have answered the question.

I love this comment!!!

Great 👍🏾

...the best so far. Thanks so much.

My brother, they will tell u that such person was never saved in the first place

The love of many has already wax cold because sin has abound the only way to endure is to renew this mind Romans 12: 2 be ye not conform to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind so you would know his good pleasing, perfect will of GOD

The believer endures to the end. He that has this hope in him purifies him even as he pure( 1john3:3). We are saved to the uttermost( Hebrews 7:25).

@@amosdiode1460 Yeah, because they have chosen the gospel of confusion over the true Gospel of Jesus.

Yes, as far as you don't go back to your vomits and die in your vomits. But if you do go back to your sins and die in it; you would end up in hell, because nothing unclean shall enter heaven; so says the Bible.

God bless you bro

Mike Okwonkwo once explain the verse. You can taste something and spit it out.

I'm wondering, why haven't anyone seen this scripture...A believer can never lose his salvation. However, he can decide to reject Christ. Now, looking at Heb6:4-6, not every Christian can reject Christ. There are 5 criteria before you can. A new convert who doesn't know his left from his right cannot reject Christ after confessing Christ as Lord and Saviour. The Holy Spirit remains with him because he's a baby Christian. Let's look at it like this. A child of 12years goes to school and suddenly says he's changing his surname because he doesn't just want the name. He wants to have a better surname(remember, Christ gave us the power to use His name). As long as he's not of legal age to change that name, he can't and will not. That's exactly how HEB 6:4-6 is explaining. Unless you have tasted the Good word of God AND...The Bible records 'AND' not 'OR'. So until you meet the 5 criteria in that passage...you ain't loosing no salvation

Only unbelief,if you stop believing what you first believed when you were saved, simple!

​​@@lovekingdomofbelievers.2893 yes u can Definitely taste something and spit it out but not the word of God....who tastes life and wants death?

🙏

Serve 📝

Serve? That sound like slavery. A reward, not a gift. That's not Christ! Christ showed the proof of His love, that, while we were sinners, he died for the ungodly. This is the dispensation of Grace. Freely have you received!

God declared the end from the beginning, He is waiting till the end to bless us,, he blessed us from the beginning. Don't be enslaved! 🙏 🙏

Not waiting till the end ( correction)

So you don't like miracles then it not gospel of Jesus christ coz Jesus performed many miracles and he said Luke 10: 19 I have given you power to cast out devils

You've actually said nothing different.

The Truth is can a child disobey his father Live Reckless is impossible to access to what the father Has.

Thank God my Papa did not disappoint me

Next time contribute wisely.

But he wasn't speak of his own ability and understanding.....Sir.....2 Timothy 3: 25-17, 2 Peter 1:22.....

Mumu

This why evil has taken over Nigeria, , kidnapping, ritual, Yahoo, kpekusv in highest level etc. No need to repent because we all are oce save and for all enternity.

Thank you sis❤

Your pastor is wrong and you have been deceive. God is righteous and if you most follow him you have to watch your ways or you might be left out.

What is sin?

Yes

What sin is that? You sound so ignorant? What sin makes one to loose their salvation?

@@splendidwittyman2611 even crime committed leads one to prison, resulting in the of loss of freedom. How much more spiritual things that pertains to God. Don't let any one deceive you, God standard is still same.

@@outrightjoe God bless you.

You can't lose it. If you lose it, it only mean you never had it in the first place

How do u lose holy spirit, didn't the Bible said the gift of God is without repentance.

@john, david prayed in psalms 51, that Hod should not take His spirit away from him

@@enduranceokololise2269 Yes He did pray that but was the Holy Spirit given as a seal from God YET?

@@enduranceokololise2269 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Was David born again?

Really,this is an anti Christ doctrine because if Jesus Christ told Mary Magdalene go and sin no more that shows sin can make one lose is salvation.if one is saved and continues in sin he or she will lose their salvation that's why it is written you are neither hot or cold.... please get full understanding of God's word...the wages of sin is death, salvation is to be free from death which is caused by sin.it is written by sin death came añd through salvation life came by Jesus Christ.

@LU Berry u ar right. If you read my comment well you will realise that I said there is more to that What I said is one side of the coin while the more... is another side of it. To tell you the truth, 'once save is already saved thing' is a half truth and because it is a half truth is no truth. When one is save the change he received began from the spirit. No physical effect is experienced bcs one's bad life is still there. There is a great tendency that that person will rise and fall. But if in any case that such happens to sin, salvation is already there. All he needs to do is to reconcile with our maker and continue the journey. It is a transformation process not an automated process. Anothere thing I will like u to know is that the 'expected end' is not to enjoy this world but to come to the fullness of christ. That is why 2corint 3:18 is there. For us to behold and keep transforming until we come to that full image.

Yes his dancing is good

A Born-Again Christian cannot sin. "....he CANNOT sin because he is born of God...." 1st John 3:9.

The state of a person at the point of departure matters a lot.. As no unclean or unholy thing or person will enter heaven

No you have put it out of context bro read it properly...and put it right I love u sir

@@ogwalmoris8070 The word fall does not have two meanings . This gospel of GRACE will lead a lot of people to hell. The heavenly race is a straut and narrow one not a one of a bed 9f roses

Here brother Paul was talking about falling into the temptation not salvation , bro read properly you know one thing About bible reading always let the Bible give you what to think not you thinking for the Bible

@@ogwalmoris8070 so when you fall into temptation is that sin or not ? Where would sin take you to ? And tell me what Jesus meant when he said those that endured till the end shall be save?

@@amanosichris1004 that you sinned didn't make you sin

The Bible is not sealed ooooo. The veil has been turned open, direct access to the Holy of Holies. Its all about Christ from Genesis to Revelation. Yes, Christ was concealed (in symbols, types, shadows, etc) in the old testament, but manifested (in Body) in Mathew to John, returned (in Spirit) in Acts of Apostles, revealed in the Epistles. Thank you Jesus!

do you know many, I mean many who attend church today are just church attendees? , they play with the saving opportunity presented to them. This warning goes to those always in church, contributing in church, even evangelizing but have not surrendered their lives to christ yet. The bible says when you come to Christ nothing, not even sin can separate you from his love. It's, for this reason, we say we are saved by grace, that is why we call Him Merciful. Saying that your salvation depends on you, simply rejects the work of Christ on the cross. If I have to work to be saved, then why did Jesus die? working for my salvation is returning under the law. We need to study the bible with so much discernment and really surrender to the Holy Spirit for wisdom. The disciples of Christ lived at the cross line between the dispensation of the law and of grace, many of them still spoke with under-the-law mentality, remember Peter still considered non-Jewish people as unclean, he never understood the vastness of God's grace while Apostel Paul understood.

Work OUT, not work FOR. It means what you have in you, let it show forth. But you can't show it if you don't have it. The issue here is not that you have the salvation, it is to let that salvation reflect in your life and conduct. It's an issue of IDENTITY vs CONDUCT. By virtue of believing on the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, you become a child of God. That's your new IDENTITY and nothing can change that. Now that you're saved, you are expected to grow and mature and behave as a child that you are. It's possible to be a child and still misbehave, it doesn't mean your sonship has been rescinded, but that you've not taken up responsibility yet as a child. Your son can offend you at home and be rude to you, but he still remains your child. With good training and maturity, he'll begin to behave more as he ought to. The way you'd react to him would be as a son, compared to if it were a random boy outside, even if they both displayed the same rude behaviour towards you. Same concept here, we are children of God, and will remain so, because we believed the gospel of Christ, not because of what we did. This is why we're to grow in knowledge of Christ, to renew our minds, to not be conformed to this world. The more we grow in Christ, and in consciousness of who we are as children of God, the more we begin to conduct ourselves as we ought to. The conduct is not to become saved, but as a result of our salvation, and growing in the faith. This is what it means to work out. After all, you can't bring out what isn't there in the 1st place. If you're told to go fetch water from a well or tap, you don't go there wondering if water is there, you go with the assurance that the water is IN the well ALREADY, your own job is to bring it out. This is our assurance, that we are saved eternally. It's on us to behave like responsible children. A good understanding of this will even help you shun the "anyhow" lifestyle. Some people say it's the license to sin, no. Our free will was the license to sin from the beginning. Now, we live after the nature of whom God has made us, saved men. In fact, many times Paul wrote to the churches in the epistles, reprimanding them and correcting them and telling them how to conduct themselves in line with their IDENTITY as Christians. Yet, at the beginning of every letter, he always addressed them as FELLOW SAINTS and BRETHREN, even when he was correcting their acts. Because he knew that, they were still growing in the faith, and would make mistakes, and when they come to fill realisation of who they are in Christ, and walk in responsibility, in the calling of Christ and their conduct, it would reflect in their conduct. This is even what makes a difference between us believers and unbelievers. Because why else would I tell an unbeliever to become saved, if after coming to Christ, he can't even be sure he's fully secured in him or I can't be assured of my own salvation. He might as well continue in his ways, if we're both in the same shoes then. What makes us saved is believing in the redemptive work of Christ, and we gain that IDENTITY of saved men forever. That is the foundation on which we build our faith walk, and take on responsibility.

I think Abel Damina gave verses were Jesus said we shall never lose enternal life (salvation). If you don't understand salvation.....

God bless you! Indeed the Spirit of God is One. The Holy Spirit was just teaching me about the exact points you've raised before seeing your comment. And your enlightenment is spot on!

Thank God it says "work out", not "throw out"! My dear, stop all these nonesense. YOU CANNOT LOSE SALVATION! PERIOD!!!

Yes and we can never lose it john 10:28🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

It looks persuasive co each of them is reacting. It's a reaction.

Brother, read your bible , any body can loss his salvation

Interesting

You missed Bro Moses Alu.

Wow you know BRO GBILE AKANNI? That great you have really being Taking in great messages

The bible... Sola scriptura. All these men of God mentioned believe in the inherency of the scriptures. As it relates to the topic. OSAS is consistent with the scriptures. By faith you have been saved through grace. That means you did not save yourself so God who saved you has you covered. The basic answer to this question is to think of how one is saved, no one can save himself only God can save. Salvation is the work of God through the Holy spirit. If you did not save yourself then you cannot lose the salvation God has given you

Never heard about him I will check him out thanks

If you think you can lose your salvation then you don't believe in Christ

Yes by his grace we are saved but let me tell you are the unbelievers saved? was the Grace not for everybody? is it not only when you acept him, Jesus Christ and confess and believe what he did for you that's when you'll be saved? Romans said it .

Stop interpreting the bible wrongly! To sin wilfully from that passage is to reject the Jesus Christ whose blood had been offered for your sin. To sin wilfully is to reject salvation! That brings us back to the question, a man who has received salvation already, can that salvation be invalidated by his actions ? Big No. You did not save yourself in the first place Jesus saved you

God does not record sin against a saved man. Romans 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. It's simple

@@toluwasethomas600 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 1 Peter:4:18 Can u explain this verse to me sir?

No don't think that way Bro.....read the Bible and we can share To understand more , if you understand the scripture well you won't be twisted so let's not be blinded and let's not bring our thoughts into the scriptures but the scriptures are the ones that give us what to think ......I love you Bro

Shall we continue in sin is not shall we continue to sin. Get it right. Salvation is totally dependant on Jesus.

Let me give you an illustration to explain that scripture and you can try to read the whole chapter and find something in verse 15. So I give you the latest Mercedes Benz SLS and I tell you "No matter how you drive this car, it cannot turn over". Now the question is this Can you drive the car recklessly because it cannot turn over, God forbid. God forbid you driving it not the car not being able to turn over. Rom6:15 KJV "What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Rom 5:20kjv "Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, GRACE DID MUCH MORE ABOUND". Got it?!

John 17:12 [12]While I was with them, I kept and preserved them in Your Name [in the knowledge and worship of You]. Those You have given Me I guarded and protected, and not one of them has perished or is lost except the son of perdition [Judas Iscariot-the one who is now doomed to destruction, destined to be lost], that the Scripture might be fulfilled. [Ps. 41:9; John 6:70.]. Jesus Christ Himself said Judas was lost, so that's what is important and not what men say. A child who decides to live in sin could be lost. He was born again, he was an ApostleMatthew 10:1-4 [1]AND JESUS summoned to Him His twelve disciples and gave them power and authority over unclean spirits, to drive them out, and to cure all kinds of disease and all kinds of weakness and infirmity. [2]Now these are the names of the twelve apostles (special messengers): first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James son of Zebedee, and John his brother; [3]Philip and Bartholomew [Nathaniel]; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus [Judas, not Iscariot]; [4]Simon the Cananaean, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him. He lost his apostleship through transgression, Acts 1:25 [25]To take the place in this ministry and receive the position of an apostle, from which Judas fell away and went astray to go [where he belonged] to his own [proper] place. Be careful whom you listen to so you don't follow them to hell. Stay blessed.

@@alfredokwori4061 At what point do you disown your child?

Judas was born again and he was lost, people go to hell by choice, God never sends them there. Matthew 10:33 [33]But whoever denies and disowns Me before men, I also will deny and disown him before My Father Who is in heaven.

That was about preservation of life for the believers who were being persecuted. Salvation comes the day you believe not sometime in the future.

This is also in relation to the book of revelation. After the church must have rapture, those that where in the church but never find it important to accept Jesus Christ had to pay with their own blood. If they can ensure the hardship that will brought on them by the antichrist , they shall be saved. The day your father gave birth to you, is d day u becomes his son. No mater what happened to you and what you did and what you don't do, you remain his son. When you re born again as a believer, your position in Christ is internal and it can never change unless u start disbelieving him.

@@enomaeguakhide7951 Outside Jesus there is no other way to get saved and there is no salvation after the rapture. I think you ate misinterpreting the book of Revelations

Why do you have to guide it? So if you don't guide it, what will happen?

Amen!

I side with you

Never means you lost your salvation. When you got born again, Jesus gave you the authority to his name. The fact that you wronged your father doesn't mean you don't bare his surname again.

If you can loose your salvation any time you received it at the time of repentance it goes to say you were never born again, you were a fake. The nature of Christ that entered you at the new birth didn’t happen. But if you received the new man that was of Christ, He Christ will give you the power to live above sin and it’s cravings because the new man cannot sin as long as your focus is on Christ. For this reason it is written “ keep looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith”.

@@theresaedeh5293 Dearie, read that verse you quoted in NLT and start from verse one.

Firstly, I think we have missed the meaning of "Salvation". Lemme illustrate it this way. I was in the orphanage with no parents. One very day a man walks in and adopts me. Gives me a new life, new name, etc. Everything I desired. I'm his child now. Then I misbehave and then he takes me back to the orphanage and drops me back there until I repent before he can adopt me again...I'm even trying to make sense out of it. You see, the fact that we wrong God doesn't mean He will disown us. Even in our domestic homes, our parents don't disown us when we wrong them. Yes, we wronged them and they are not happy and we need and must apologized to them, it doesn't mean we have lost our salvation. Salvation is our right to be a member of the family. We wronged them but we are still members.

@@michaelgideon208 How? The scriptures he used were accurate and biblical, he followed the context of the whole bible before arriving and that conclusion, so why would you say that?

This is getting interesting... Man, you are helping me see clearer what'sup amongst some men of God. The analysis is smth I'll love to be a part of the deliberation.

The Kingdom of GOD is automatic but you've have to sow the word

You be mumu..

You seem to neglet the whole book of chapter 2 and just pick 9

@@jedsteve6353 rhe same reason your pastor does not always read the whole bible in church every sunday

@@ikayanyim1370 Now I never mentioned my pastor. We are having a civil conversation. Read that entire chapter and you will understand clearly. And by the way. We take out time to read Contextually every Sunday in church as we don't believe the Bible was written in verses. But as a book. A lot can be lost in removing a verse from a context. It's a lazy attitude towards God's Word.

@@jedsteve6353 you miss my point. However, if you think once saved is forever saved, wonderful, suit yourself

@@ikayanyim1370 the idea is you cannot claim you are saved on the mission is fufilled. How can you claim you saved someone from something deadly but that thing still happened to him. Imagine I am a doctor: someone is dieing and I was called to save him. I rushed to his side gave him some drugs and he calms down a little. But 2 hours later he dies. Then I come out and tell his family I saved him. I am sure they will slap me. Salvation is Total deliverance from sin and it's consequences (Death: Eternal separation from God). Jesus cannot claim to save you when you still died. It's either you are saved or you are not simple. There is nothing like loosing your salvation.

Sure ...they are confused.. salvation is different from eternal life...

The truth is Salvation is not the same with eternal life...many believers do not study the word

I like your explanation, absolutely on point. GOD BLESS you.

So he keeps it😊

Say you sin, you and who?

🤦🏿‍♂️. Take it easy. No man is without sin.

@@emmanuelasamoah159 1 John 1:8-10 ESV "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." Repent from your self righteousness my friend!

You can ask the HOLY SPIRIT SIR ...

You don't understand English

John 10:28-29

Hahahahaha...... Bro read it in context

Bro pls share that scripture with me and we understand together pls.....I love you Sir

Tge fall away say if you trampole on the blood of grace meaning you deny everything that Christ represents that there is no more sacrifice for repentance.

@@akinolaoke3322 hahahahaha.....I love you bro but we have to understand what bro Paul was meaning here by falling away from Grace, let me explain to you Sir, Galatians 5:4.....He was talking about making your works or keeping the law as a qualification of your salvation.....Grace mean you didn't deserve it , it's unmerited favor, undeserve, so your works don't qualify you to be Born again or child of God ....but it's faith in Christ, for we are saved by Grace through faith in Christ.....not our works pls read the pretext(1,2,3) of that chapter 5 of verse 4.... Thank you Sir

Does the great falling away mean from eternal Salvation, or falling away from the faith here on earth?

Its never true...let the Holy spirit teach u

@@bismarkjohnson1631 hahahaha sorry brother the entrance of God's gives light and gives understanding to the simple. I wish I had time to open up your mind on this topic but your mind is static to something wrong and you are determined to defend the wrong interaction of scriptures that's why I cant help you. But think if you didn't give yourself salvation you cant keep but if he brought salvation to you he will keep it for you for himself . so if you lose salvation you were never saved in the first place. scripture are all over my dear brother.

PS DAVID continue in sin

the rsponsibility for salvation is God's not ours. he is the one working in us to desire to do good. nothing that a man does can exempt him from physical death,,just as much as nothing that a believer is exposed to can exempt him from life. from adam, we copy a pattern of unavaoidable physical death thru birth,,,from chrost we copy a pattern of eternal life thru believing in him.

If it's not once saved then how can one be unborn again and what best can l do to keep being born again

All these scripture in context do not talk about the Christian

But it doesn't mean I support sin. A Christian is a tool of righteousness and must therefore live as such but you see when one mess up as a human being doesn't make him a dog and that's the same with our faith, that person however is meant to receive his 'reward' in heaven. 1 Cor 3

Frank yeboah God bless you, you have say it all.

@@samsarfo3660 I agree that making a mistake does not make one a dog. I said this in the context of people who indulge the flesh on the basis of the belief that because their sins are forgiven, that they can do whatever they want and it not will matter. The dogs are those who go back to your vomit WILLINGLY. So I am simply saying the grace of God is not a license to go back to your former way of life. For that will mean treating the blood of Jesus with contempt. And please Jesus saying not everybody who says to Him "Lord Lord will enter into heaven but only those who do the Father's will" applies to Christians. Don't be deceived. If you don't think so, then I want to ask you this, what makes you a Christian or a disciple, if you don't intend to follow Him? He says His sheep know His voice and they follow Him. If you are following, then you were not a sheep in the first place. Think about it. God bless you.

Fantastic

Oyedepo is out of context

Yee 🙆🏿‍♂️…. Let me jot this one 📝

@@BeingRealGeorge Great work Sir. Been watching from Cameroon

@@ewanentiege8931 Rom 10:10 with your mouth confession is made unto salvation

Where is the place of repentance?

Interesting

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

@@luhstephen3016 When a pastor says "if you do not tithe you are cursed", he has missed his way. He has never known Christ. He's completely lost. When you study the topic in detail you begin to wonder what preachers like Oyedepo spend their time studying. It's like someone reading so much about cars but he tells you that cars are made out of plastic. He doesn't even know that they are made from metal. That's how shocking it is but nigerian christians are mumucious unfortunately. They do not read.

@@joshononiell5085 I carried Oyedepo on my head for many years. I even tried to pray like him and talk like him - I was a worker and even service unit leader. But at some point I started to realize that some of the fundamental things he preached did not look like the bible so I started studying and praying. A year later I finally knew and understood Christ for the first time. These days I can hardly listen to Oyedepo. He hasn't really understood the grace of God and the finished work of Christ. He's stuck in the old testament. Stuck with Moses and the Prophets trying to do what Christ has already finished.

Really??? Have you ever read Hebrew 6:4-6? I know a few people that were hot Christians and have now denounced Christianity, salvation etc, TOTALLY!!!!

@@luhstephen3016 perhaps you didn’t read my comment properly. I never insulted him. I only said that I struggle to listen to him anymore because of doctrinal reasons. Also the tithing doctrine is just one item in the pile but it’s one of the obvious ones that keep people in bondage. I have no personal issues or anger towards Oyedepo - It might internet you to know that his teaching series on Fulfilling the ministry are still some of my favourite teachings of all time. God uses everybody - those who preach sound doctrine and those who don’t. The thing is when you start to grow in Christ certain kinds of doctrine will naturally repel you. It’s not for me anymore but the time I was there was valuable because it one way or the other added to my understanding of the Bible even if it may taught me more what not to do or what not to follow as doctrine.

Amen

Lo oga....pla.keep sinning and depend on the fack that.you,confessed christ 10,yeads ago so,..ita not.a.problem...u re not saved at.all..of u think going back to ur sins is.covered by grace..

@@charliemoore6063 I know you're one of them but I have nothing much to say to you because there it's no contention you have been brainwashed by the so-called men of God, but the area you realize that you are heading for your destruction I mean eternal destruction the better for you

Remember Our Lord Jesus talks about the possibility of the falling of the very (saved) elects in the last days!

@@albertthomas8716 didn't he also said that those who endure to the end will be saved? You fail to understand that salvation is not acquired because of what you are doing it was a free gift that God gave you and I because Jesus bought it for us, if you fall get back up but if you fall and remain where you fell that makes you a failure

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Smart move

Thanks for the premise. What happens when one stops 'believing' ?? 🤔🤔

@@Ezeanaeche "to stop believing " that means he was not saved before, if saved, that Jesus spirit, HOLY GHOST, must bring him back because he can't enjoy sin anymore. Shalom.

We thank God so much for His Salvation via this great Son, Jesus Christ. Let me share my view on this, nonetheless I stand for correction. Once saved, always saved, that's correct! Bible never mentioned how many times should one accepts Jesus Christ in order to finally secure his Salvation to enter eternity. Instead it says remember your Creator - this means after Salvation, whiles one abuses the Grace, remember and come back; as King David did, but always bounced back, once one is saved or accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord and personal Savour, He says I'm with you till the end of the age. Hence as long as the end hasn't appeared, He's with such a person. Jesus is so merciful to the extent that He even prayed for those yet to accept Him, how much more those who will take the initiative to do so, will He just let them go? He won't change His words, I AM WITH YOU. Apostle Paul is admonishing us to stop abusing the Grace by ending sinning in order to get stable and learn to accomplish our call on us - sin normally makes us unstable. Even though it's not categorically stated in the Bible, but it could be seen that there could be 2 types of sins, first one called judgemental or condemnation sin - this sin can never be dealt with by man, but by Christ; this is the type of sin we're saved from after accepting Him as our savior. The saved soul now forms a family with deep relationship with Christ - any sin committed could be referred to as RELATIONAL sin. At Salvation, the dominion of sin got broken, hence no matter the sins one commits, such will surely bounce back one day to pay for the Grace he abused with heavy guilt. Now, we confess Christ in with our hearts to accept Him, then to seal the salvation with the mark of His Blood on us, He, Christ has to also accept us - it's a spiritual consent based on the REASON WHY one needs His Salvation. Let's not forget that Bible says some people came to Jesus Christ for salvation but He never accepted them because THEIR REASON was not really because they wanted their sin to be washed away. Some of us are like that, some accept Christ based on certain things and they think Christ also accepted them - a lot of people behaved in same manner. They're in the church, doing a lot of moral things and not righteous deeds - remember He didn't call us to pursue only moral life but rather righteous deeds. Anyone who is accepted by Christ based on his genuine acceptance, no matter what, such will never lose his Salvation, for He's with such. Those who are not accepted by Christ will surely log out when pressures of the world pounces on them. Job didn't log out upon all that happened to him, his wife's counsel, because he was accepted also to anchor in Christ. Sorry I didn't support my claim with verses. Aaaaooooo, dear brothers and sisters, Christ will never let us go because we're struggling to fight sin to gain our ground, let's cheer our friends up, help them understand because the tribulation as mentioned by Christ for us on this Earth, we'll surely go through. We should not think for our friends that it's because of thier sins and that's why they're going through whatever. We don't have to sin to receive attacks from the devil. We see some friends always going for altar call, such accepted Christ but Christ did not, or such hasn't train his mind to believe that Christ has done it - not sure of their salvation. Once saved, always saved, so let's work it out with fear and trembling The one who says once saved not always, might be speaking from deep wisdom to cause us to fix our gaze always on Christ, and I salute that teaching too with all my best God bless you all, Amenforever more!

@@gbeyenotisaren8401 we should be watchful

Hmmm but you as been saved, are you saying you don't sin everyday?? Whether armed robbery or u abuse someone, sin is sin to God, there is no sin bigger than the other. Nah here on earth we say one sin is greater than the other

U said once saved is not always saved. So u r trying to say that d person that got saved got saved by what he did right n not d blood of jesus, so if he got involved in armed robbery, he has lost his salvation, that means its by works then. If u got saved by grace, then u can never sustain ur salvation by ur works but by faith in jesus christ n his finished works. But shall we continue to sin bcos of grace, God forbid, know he not that he that is dead is freed from sin.

Right on the cross, an armed robber who acknowledged Jesus, will be with Him in paradise same day. Mind you, he didn't repent of his sins on the cross beside Christ, he had believed in him b4....but only acknowledged and testified of Him, though his own ways on earth was contrary. Thank you Jesus.

You know when we talk about salvation, we must first ask ourselves few questions: 1) what is it to be saved? 2) what us salvation? 3) what is eternal life? 4) before Jesus came and died what did we do in order for us to earn eternal life? 5) is there anything one Must do in order for him to be saved? 6) why salvation is called a gift? 7) the meaning of a gift 8) can someone work for in oder for him to qualify for a gift? 9)faith what it is 10) jesus and eternal life 11) Christ death and resurrection 12) Holiness and righteousness Man's righteousness and Christ's righteousness. 13) why Christ is our righteousness? 14) The death of Christ what it means. These few questions we can look at when talking about once saved always saved.

@@tadmatos1 1. The Soul of man 2. Salvation is life hid in Christ 3. Eternal life is man's reconciled life in God 4. Those our father of old BELIEVED on Christ that was to come to take away the sins of man..... our dispensation is to BELIEVE on Him that came. 5. Only BELIEVE IN CHRIST cum his purpose of Salvation to you and ALL MEN 6. A GIFT is strictly thought of, conceived by and executed by the giver. You work for man and receive wages, but God gives as he desires. Those that worked from morning to evening with those that worked an hour, received same dollars of the the Lord. Salvation is of the Lord as a Gift to man. Receive, and be appreciative. Give thanks unto the Lord, for He has done great things 👍

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Eternal security or what the old theologians would call The perservearance of the saints does not mean you can be "saved' and then go ahead to live how you like without a life style of holiness and Godwardness. If one has Saving Faith, that Faith is accompanied by works of righteousness. The evidence of genuine salvation is that you continue in the way if Christ till the end. Jesus said that the proof that one is a true follower of him is if he continues in His words. If not, such a one is fake. A child of God can fall into sin, and may even continue in it for a while, but God the Father will come with His rod of discipline to chastise him and bring him back to his senses. If a so called Child of God wanders off into a life of sin and continues therein, and God never comes for him with His rod of discipline, that proves that such a one is an illegitimate child ie, not a true child of God. Meanwhile, having said this, I Know true and genuine Christians who believe that one can loose salvation. It doesn't mean that they're false or unsaved.

Fact! Eternal salvation is like an ocean that will never dry while individual salvation is like 20litres of water fetched from the ocean which can exhaust if not carefully used.