Well this is a deal breaker for me. Watching Ozark on my LG G1 was unbearable at times with the dimming ,which I didn't notice so much on my LG C9. Thanks so much Vincent for the heads up with this huge change . Once again consumers are always on the short end of the stick . Hopefully ,there's a work around. Thanks for your honest and hard work.
I'm using CX as PC monitor and TPC was a nightmare until I disabled it. I wanted to wait for C3 or G3 launch to buy it as replacement for few other TV sets I have but now I know I will never do that. Thanks Vincent.
This sucks. If the option remains available to Hollywood studios then it should be available to consumers as well. Otherwise they’re going to be grading content in a way that doesn’t reflect how it actually looks on any retail LG OLED
It looks like they just added a second password that gives you the full service menu, and changed it so the old password gives you no options to change anything now. I'm sure the new password will leak, or someone will look in the firmware and find it.
It's also only a 4 digit password. If you knew 10 people that had the TV and had an automated way of trying combinations, you could have the password in a few hours.
@@gorak9000 Thanks for sharing the info since this otherwise would have been a deal breaker for many of us. Totally agree it probably won’t take long before it’s crack and leaked…
How to check the chip type: 1. Open RU-vid. 2. Within RU-vid go to Settings (RU-vid settings, not the TV settings) > App version 3. Under Device, the chip type should be listed.
Since I'm not that wealthy, I'll just see for the Samsung one, if it's as bad as the last year model, then I'll stay with my 2016 TV (I need a car too, so whatever it happens it's a win to me).
@@MrlspPrt it’s silly people still have this opinion. Whether it’s claiming the build is bad, not having the tv on auto color, or just not putting their tv offline or if they updated not accessing the service menu and changing the brightness back.
@@rahb2096 I'm really concerned about the bent panels, I don't live in a first world country, here in México companies can easily ignore you if they can because going to the authority is a pain in the *ss, I'm waiting for filling a claim against a retailer who refused to exchange a RAM kit I tested with Memtest, while they tested it with the Windows built-in software. The RAM was "just" $175.00 USD, imagine if the same happens with a $1500.00 USD TV. That's why I'm so concerned about its quality, the rest can be solved, just as you said.
I was going to buy one in a couple weeks. I don't currently have a TV and was looking to get one right as the C4 was incoming and the prices started dropping. With this though I am not sure I want one
@@dante19890c3 is inferior in some ways intact c2 also is as both are missing BFI at 120hz but cx and c1 have it. BFI to me is a game changer especially at 60 to 120hz
@@malazan6004 yup C1 is the best so far in my opinion, thanks to 120Hz BFI (mostly only relevant for high-end PC gamers who can run their games at stable 120fps). I bought two C1s to keep one as a backup!
Thank you for that piece of information! I HOOOOPPPEEE they moved that options to the main menu so we don't need the service menu any more. But I doubt LG would go to this level of customer wish...
Horrible decision by LG unless they (as you said) fixed this or added something else in the menus. I was gunning for a C3 77" and was looking forward to not having a black screen for 5 seconds every time I start my AppleTV (as it is on my C1 65"). Now I'm considering buying a C2 instead and living with the black delay. I can't live with dimming.
@@SomeUserNameBlahBlah I don't think that's what he meant. I think he meant a very specific line of G3's will be sold to production companies with those options readily available in the service menu.
They did this to escape numerous warranty claims since they now cover burn-in. Which also tells me they’re afraid obviously, they can’t guarantee burn-in is no longer an issue anymore. It’s pure greed only.
@@iamski I don't think it's greed. No company wants to sell products which will break shortly after purchase. This would cause LG to go under from bad branding.
Why do LG keep cripping or removing feature from the sets? First they hobble BFI, now they force you to accept auto dimming. As someone who's still waiting for his plasma to die before replacing it with an OLED, this is making me hope it holds on for many more years...
If you really can not turn off TPC and GSR, then I wouldnt even consider buying a G3, despite its brightness boost, whats the point, if its dimming down anyways...
As someone who purchased a G3, this is infuriating. If you own the tv, you should be able to do what you want with it. If LG is concerned, then they just need to invalidate warranty claims for people who disable auto dimming. I just cant believe we are in 2023 and are still wrestling with auto-dimming. I have not had much time with my tv but truly hope they have resolved the prior issues with it.
this is one of the deal breakers for OLEDs in general, I honestly don't know why manufacturers haven't figured out a sweet spot for the TPC algorithm after 10 years of OLED TVs on the market
And it is not even needed. I disabled the TPC on my 2015 model when i got it And i h have been using it as an monitor with crazy hours on it since then with zero burn in. Just don't run it on max OLED light 24/7, don't let it get to hot and use basic burn in strategies like screen savers and dark mode in apps. Without TPC off no scene is stable and your calibration is pretty much useless. And the strict ABL on the OLED already males the calibration less than stable. But with TPC on it gets so dark you don't see anything. It is pretty much unusable and jarring to see it just dim whenever SO MUCH.
@@semahj Honestly that is a very small price to pay for FAR superior picture quality. Using a shitty LCD panel in anything after getting used to perfect inky blacks and infinite contrast of the OLED is a struggle, it just looks so incredible bad when you know how an OLED screen can display content. Also, I have never even been close to wanting more light output anyway. Why blast your eyes with more damaging blue light than necessary.
@@cajampa just because you can't recognize burn-in doesn't mean you don't have it. all OLEDs will get burn-in, and all of them have burn-in to a certain degree. that's how OLEDs work, each LED is alive and has its own life span, so it dies at a different rate compared to its neighbors. that's what burn in is.
My LG B9 auto dimming was absolute deal breaker. I disabled it year ago. If they do not have the option of disabling it in the future I will not buying their tvs. Or fix the algorythm that it will NEVER dim a MOVING IMAGE.
@@eternalbeing3339 to be honest it took me years to see the dimmin but In movies like Dune and The Northman the dimming was really bad. The northman was the last straw.
This should be alarming for anyone who already has a C2 as well. They could just push an update at any time taking away this option, which is more likely now that they already have a webos build without I'll definitely read up on any updates that will be coming for my C2 going forward (should be doing that anyways)
@@MrlspPrt I hate Samsung for taking away funtionality from my TV. It is like thievery. Bought TV with camera built in, 3D capabilities etc and now they are gone.
@@Piasecznik72 and LG is following their same path, but I guess not even a lawsuit is available since their EULAs are generally made thinking on this scenarios.
This is a deal breaker. The only reason why I would've chosen the lg is to be able to turn off auto-dimming. Looks like the c2 is going to skyrocket in price and sell like hot cakes now
I consider this a design flaw. If during normal use the image can darken when it shouldn't then suddenly brighten that's a flaw to me. LG should allow this to be disabled and if they want even give a warning that it may degrade the panel and isn't covered under warranty. The end user should be allowed to decide if they want this on or off.
I'm a colourist and I was really looking forward to upgrading my CX to a G3 for the heatsink and true 1000 nit brightness capability. Guess I'll have to look elsewhere.... another sale lost (actually two, since I was also going to buy one for home use). Hope LG reverses this and publicizes that fact. Thanks for the heads up Vincent!
@@definingslawek4731 I decided to stick with my CX for now. I've read a couple of solution hacks to the G3 but I'd rather let the dust settle and get one when the hack is known and simple.
sony tends to lie abt the actual specs of their products DO NOT BUY A SONY TV i had the recent sony oled and they claimed it was 4k 120hz, but with both settings on the entire image was blurry and text was hard to read they claimed "just put it in 60hz mode or put it in 1080p resolution". Well that would make it NOT a 4k 120hz tv. there is no fix. the lied to my face over and over. sony did everything they could to refuse acknowledging the issue was real and dragged their feet to fix the problem, eventually i got 100% of my money back
@@FractalPrism. when it has hdmi 2.1 they have the lizence and are allowed to say its 4k120hz even if its not sams shait with hdr specs all merketing lies but they gwet away with it
As an owner of a Sony A80J who plays games, ABL is definitely the only thing I absolutely hate about the TV. I wouldn’t get another OLED if I couldn’t turn this off and just take the risk (which is at least lower on recent sets).
I hope there's another way to do it that we just haven't found yet. I didn't make the change when I first got my C1, but after I noticed the dimming for the first time, I did it right then and there.
I have the 77" C1 as well and I haven't had that big of an issue with the brightness but I have the one with the WBE or G1 panel. I didn't change anything in the service menu hell I didn't even access it at all and it's noticeably brighter than my buddies C1 guess I got lucky with the panel lottery! 😃
@@Lcss1 Dont recall, I ended up returning it and 2 others due to a flickering issue, 120hz + gsync + vrr +hdr causes flickering, tried many different cables, so did the local best buy. I gave up, settled for the gigabyte M28U and saved the rest for the future release of the rtx 5080 ti
Well keep in mind the g3 is gonna be alot brighter ans the c3 need to realize they are pushing these brighter snd brighter so they need to put in safety features or those warranties they now offer are going to be used way to much lol
@@reviewforthetube6485 That was my first thought. LG is pushing brightness so far to compete with QD-OLED that the TVs are already on the verge of failing.
@@SomeUserNameBlahBlah yep agreed but there is still an agenda out there so regardless of how good or not good they sre. They will always be backed lg is way to good at promoting there tvs and getting every reviewer I'm the book.
@@reviewforthetube6485 LG is great because the employees at LG Display create such amazing panels. They're not paying reviewers or plotting some evil agenda to screw the consumers. LG is the forerunner of OLED. Liike one commenter said, they're putting in these safely measures for a reason and that reason is to PROTECT THE CONSUMER. That is the primary reason not because they're afraid of replacing TVs through warranty. Nobody wants to pay a thousand dollars+ then wait 3 weeks for LG to fix the issue. What they just did is akin to a responsible parent making sure the gun is hidden and locked away so they can't hurt themselves.
This news further confirms my good decision in getting a non OLED monitor Samsung G8 over a OLED TV to be used as a gaming and desktop monitor. No worries about burn in and dimming protocols.
ifthe tech is anything like the oled switch, then as wulf dens test shows, you have to leave the thing on a static image none stop for over a year to notice any burn in, and even then its slight.
If I hear anything negative about the dimming on C3 I'm out. I cannot stand it on my LG C2. I just bought that remote. Turning it off for good this weekend.
Hollywood studios should be forced to watch with this auto dimming on. Also, this algorithm seems really, extremely dumb. Why would they dim down the image when the picture is dark anyway? What are they trying to prevent?!
burn-in. as much as people like to pretend that it isn't an issue, the myriad protections and mitigations they have in place show that it is indeed still a problem. they're slapping band-aids on top of five other band-aids trying to fix it and people keep disabling them so i can see why they just removed the ability to circumvent their mitigations entirely, even if i dont agree with it.
I have been watching reviews of LG C3 on youtube to help me decide whether I should be getting one as my gaming monitor but with this useful info from HDTVTest, I think I should give up and move on to the next potential model/brand in my list. LG, great job for persuading me not to buy your product. Auto dimming is a joke.
TPC has completely put me off buying LG in the future. I shouldn't have to invalidate my warranty to make my TV usable, its been the one major problem I noticed moving from a C8 to a C1. How they thought this aggressive behaviour was acceptable I do not know.
I bought the C3 two days ago and DV looks significantly darker compared to my older C1, or even my CX. Try playing “Ozark” and then you’ll see that Marty’s face looks so dark you can’t even see details on the right side of his face when he’s taking to the clients (first episode). And the clients also look really dark. I’ve made sure all the power saving settings are off, and all the extra settings to “brighten” the picture are on and nothing. Same result. So frustrating. Any one else has noticed something similar?
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The same for me. Bought c3 42” and everything is dark. Warning: not access with “new method” service menu because the settings will reset when you reboot the tv. Hope that launch another update with better brightness control. Everything is darker here, my b9 is 1000x better. Just paid 1000u$ for c3 42” (Brasil) and very disappointed.
Maybe the 2023 Oled don't work that aggressively? Maybe LG has learned and you no longer need the disable function? I'm curious what your tests will say, especially in the House of Dragon scene.
It’s a possibility I guess. I’m running my E9 in vivid 8h a day for past nearly 4 years and no burn in. But I don’t have any static logos present (streaming only).
Buying my first new TV in almost 10 years! I found this channel during my research. My choices were either the LG G3 77", the Sony qd-oled 77" (when its released), or the Samsung qd-oled 77". Now it seems like LG is eliminating itself from contention. I will be pairing one of those with either the Nakamichi Dragon 11.4.6 (when it's released), or the Sony HT-A9 system.
I’m in the same situation. My soundbar will most probably be the Sennheiser Ambeo Max. Have you checked that one? I’m favoring LG because of the 4 HDMI 2.1 ports. But if they don’t change this stuff before May, I will most probably also choose a different brand. What a shame. Was really looking forward to a 77” G3.
@@ZeoKZ666 I came across the Ambeo Max while collecting reviews, and it seems like it's been significantly eclipsed by Sony's HT-A9. The Nakamichi Dragon 11.4.6 is making out to be a beast of a game changer (based on initial impression previews). The reviews of the HT-A9 (I don't really consider it a "soundbar") put it in a league of its own, currently. Have you looked into either of the two I mentioned? If so, what are your thoughts, and what made you decide on the Sennheiser?
Do yourself a favor and look at the sheer magnitude of people with defective S95B's. I'd be very hesitant buying a Samsung, because their software updates you can't actually opt out on break stuff frequently as well. Not to mention they sold the tv and made it darker with their updates. Pretty shady practices.
I’m also in the race for 2023 OLED but I have also Philips MLA model on my list (and Panasonic even though I don’t think they can compete in 77 inc w/o MLA) and in terms of soundbar the Nubert 8500 XS-8500 RC series. But it’s not available everywhere. Will have a look on the Nakamichi as well
I have been using an LG CX 65" with stock settings via a NVIDIA RTX 3000 series graphics card for 3 years now and the auto dimming has never bothered me, it never kicks in when watching movies/TV shows and only kicks in on static image PC content never bothers me. But I will be upgrading to a 2023 144Hz Samsung OLED or even a 240Hz 65inch TCL LCD if the price/performance is OK. LG's stinginess on being locked at 120Hz makes LG dead to me going forward.
I was on the fence between switching to Sony or sticking with LG for my next Oled, This decision has just made that choice much less difficult (but ouch my wallet)
Wow I was so close to getting the C2, had no idea about this dimming issue and haven’t seen any mention of it from any of the other channels singing it’s praises. Thanks for the heads up!
@@BusterDarcythere's a hack you can use to get into that menu, using the TV's browser to reach a website that allows you to access the menu where GSR and APL can be disabled. That's how I did it. You don't need the service cpnstrol remote.
Man that suxs I was really waiting on the g3 but who knows maybe we don’t need to adjust the settings for dimming maybe they fix it with something else let’s see what happens when they come don’t over react to this cause a lot of people will never even notice this or even attempt to shut it off
I totally agree that LG tends to excel with their second-generation products, but often disappoint with their third-generation releases, such as the LG G2 and LG G3 phones.
Sony has the same problem but is a nicer set. LG’s big selling advantage for many enthusiasts was the ability to turn off ASBL, for gaming and low-APL scenes. Now that that’s gone, LG WOLEDs have nothing in particular to recommend them over competitors.
@S D: Interesting, is this 100% confirmed? Because pressing the [ADJ] button on the service remote just goes to the same screen as [IN-START] on the 65C3 sample we saw in Frankfurt.
People! I recommend You Panasonic oleds! On My HZ1000 I see autodimming only when I pause a game and wait 5 minutes because entire screen is static. Never in movies while watching even with static logo... In this beach scene in house of the dragon I see everything like in Vincent's video onthe right side. I couldn't bear autodimming while watching movie wtf they are 10 years on the market and couldn't make it right? I am so glad now that I bought Panasonic :)
Why does TPC kick in after prolonged DARK scenes? Why can't it display DARK scenes for as long as it wants, as DARK scenese are not pushing the panel hard
If the picture brightness sinks under a certain value, the TPC algo is not able anymore to detect in-picture-movement and so on it will give out an STATIC PICTURE FLAG to the OLED panel firmware and the dimming curve is starting. The root cause - I think - relies in the type of data the TPC algo receive. Maybe it relies only on changing voltage values and the lower the OLED light output the narrower the changing voltage range. Color and/or luminance value based data algo would add too much lag. Anyway, maybe I am totally wrong. 🤷♂
I too was going to pull the trigger on the C3, I just love the inky oled blacks, but not having full control over auto-dimming (and no ATSC at that price) is a deal breaker. I think I'll get the TCL QM8 and save a thousand dollars.
I don’t know, I deliberately switched the image after playing with the interface and returned back - I didn’t see any difference in brightness. I use OLED CX, I didn’t climb into the service menu at all
As a X95K owner watching this made me think "woah, I dodged a bullet!". The dimming on the video in HDR games and movies was just unacceptable, and I don't want the burn-in worries either when those are turned off. I can recommend X95K 85" (I only have the 65") as it is really close to OLED. My 65" X95K has a bit of blooming, but nothing that you can really see unless you go look for it in full screen contents. In some games/movies you can really clearly see haloing in dark scenes against bright objects, however, it is a small problem compared to everything else the TV delivers. Other than that, it looks incredible! Perhaps 2023 Sony minileds are so close to OLEDs that there's no point going OLED anymore. For reference, I use my TV as a PC monitor everyday and it's on sometimes 16-17 hours with windows desktop static screen, and that's the way I like it as I may need to use it for work in short bursts during those hours. I'm in the miniled/microled camp forever now, and will be going for a 85" Sony Miniledin 2025.
@@MadViking82 Lol c'mon bro OLED craps all over mini led every single LCD-LED TV has a brown stain on the top. Check for it you'll see. And next time do yourself a favor and buy OLED - it's by far the most gorgeous accurate picture. Join ussssss I highly recommend LG despite the tone of Vinny T's video.
Any technology that requires manufacturers to force users to have an unacceptable image quality to prevent faults should be avoided at all costs. If other manufacturers allow those precautionary functions to be disabled, you're basically condemning yourself to early degradation. I'll hold out until micro led becomes available at an acceptable price point, until then QLED is the only sane option in my opinion.
This is quite unfortunate. I have a C2, but that also has an issue because Calman Home for LG doesn't work with the C2's internal pattern generator. So three of my LG OLEDs are C1's so I can calibrate and change the TPC settings. Seems that I will need to look for a new OLED vendor.
The internal pattern generator doesn’t work on C2? Works on my CX. That’s unfortunate if true. I wonder what oled will be the easiest to calibrate now?
@@raymondzrike Since the C2's introduction the iTPG hasn't worked until just recently with a new firmware update. Portrait Displays has not updated their Calman software to work correctly with the C2. Timelines for the LG firmware and Calman software have been constantly delayed for a year. Who knows when Calman will be working. Hopefully soon, but I'm not counting on it. Seems like a missed opportunity to me. LG is not Flanders Scientific, so getting their displays into the hands of professional users is a big opportunity. Neglecting firmware, blocking settings, etc. is a bad move, even if you can sell a small number to Hollywood. There are 100x as many people who are film hobbyists, independent filmmakers, corporate, freelance, music video, etc. that are not part of the Hollywood industry.
Have had my LG C1 for 9 months with 3600+ hours. Only noticed the TPC dimming in the first few months. Since I've never noticed. But recently changed TPC and GSR off. Just in case lol
Surprised it's not stickied at this point: /watch?v=yhunCUzlDOQ That video shows you how to access the service menu on C3/G3, it's slightly more convoluted at the cost of being able to access the full menu w/o a password in the future. It's a non issue Vincent!
Looking forward to your thorough test of the G3/C3 when you have a unit. The auto-dimming issues caused by ASBL/GSR....etc are possibly going to put me off investing in a G3 if they cannot be turned off in the service menu.
Oh man huge deal breaker, I disabled those settings on day 1 on my C1 77" as it was driving me insane. I guess the C1 will serve for another year, could be worse, still think the C1 is one of the best all rounders out there.
Well, if you have to go to the service menu to have it disable - and if it's affect the warranty status of the product, then it's not really a feature to begin with anyway
OLED is already too dim And still suffers from sample and hold issues. To know that you now can’t disable the dimming, there are a few were reasons to buy these TVs. I hate the thought of buying a device that is gimped right out of the factory
I am a digital colorist and sad to see this video. many cinematographers and post production studios are using LG OLED tv, especially 40" to 50" for clean feed monitor. they have great image quality when doing some calibrations, bigger screen to watch with client, so they were more versatile, affordable choice rather than $30K mastering monitor... in many use cases. including me, we really need those features that LG removed. I hope LG will get the features back to us. Panny and Sony does not sell OLED tvs in my region so my only choice was LG.
Likewise, colourist here. Was really looking forward to upgrading my CX to a G3. Guess we'll have to look elsewhere.... another sale lost (actually two, since I was going to also buy one for home use).
