🇷🇺 Why Russia Worries About Ukraine Getting Taurus Missiles 

High time to adapt the metric system, imperial is outdated and way more complicated in comparison to metrics.

Miles and inches is what I understand.

@@techtitanuk5609 well you are stupid

😂😂😂😂 a lot of nonsense in just one sentence

How about the Kerch bridge? I'm sure that's what they want these missiles for

@@chillaholic6782 It's three sentences. I guess it looks like nonsense if you can't count or read very well.

Offical range of Iskander is 500 km. The distance between Kaliningrad and Berlin is around 600 km. Does it make sense @chillaholic6782?

@rafsankhan8045 former US-general Patreus was giving an clear view how the USA would react on a nuclear weapon usage against Ukraine. Not pretty for the russian forces. Any weapon usage of nuclear weapons against NATO is the end of human civilisation. Putin is an imperialist, not a mad man. Nobody fires nukes as a response on cruise missiles.

Russia handled all of the German energy market for many a long year, so Germans feel grateful toward Moscow. They can't just suddenly abandon those deep feelings, so they try to protect Russia the best they can, while still attempting to help Ukraine as well.

@@herrakaarme You are being ridiculous. Germany is proposing and enforcing more sanctions against Russian energy then most other nations and Germany is one of the top suppliers for the Ukrainian war effort. And as a German I am very happy about that and I hope we will give them many Taurus missiles to strike far into Russian territory.

@@moos5221 Yes, it was just a cheap jab at German's position before the open war began, and the German energy policy in general. This includes abandoning nuclear energy in favour of Russian fossil fuels, and now with no Russian imports, going back to good old, healthy coal, which is so green and fresh. Germany has supplied Ukraine well, yes, although it could have done even more if Germany had taken better care of its own defence.

@@herrakaarme it's a very good and intelligent decision to not use nuclear energy and instead use renewable energies. and all nations could have done more for ukraine, for sure.

@@moos5221 I have nothing against renewable energy. But you need something else in addition to it. The production fluctuates like crazy relying on renewables only, which means the electricity market price jumps to the stratosphere one day, then may crash down the next day. Not counting hydro here, which is solid, but old industrialised countries have already built as much hydro as possible, and it has its own, major environmental impact. People typically also don't want to live in the shadow of those gigantic wind turbines. They are everywhere these days, though. If if you have a nuclear power plant, you can't even see it from a quick walking distance away, and it's just a single, limited location. They remain in operation for decades, producing no uncontrollable pollution, unless you are like the Japanese and neglect all maintenance to save a few yens.

If you as a German citzen want to hear nuclear sirens that is a dumb ass wish

@@magnem1043 Please enlighten me how sending more weapons to Ukraine is going to make this war any worse? What more escalation can putin even do after china and the rest of the world told him nuclear weapons are off the table? He has threatened to use nuclear weapons if a single red line is crossed and we have already crossed too many of them to keep track of.

@@magnem1043 The nuclear threat has to be ignored. If they do it, they do it and we see from there.

you are just an ignorant troll, certainly not german

@@magnem1043 The insane folks within russia have threatened with nukes since day 1 of the war. They know as much as anybody that nobody can win a nuclear war.

Damn right it does! It’s infuriating that for all the innocent Ukrainian civilians murdered and the war crimes committed with impunity, that it should be considered ridiculous that Ukraine attack Russia on Russian turf. I respect that Ukraine and Zelensky are representing the clear moral alternative to Putin’s unprovoked atrocities, but damn man, I don’t think Russians are going to truly have outrage or anything close to adequate fear if they aren’t wondering if a bomb might land on their home at night. I understand the west is worried about Ukraine becoming like their enemy but if the average Russian doesn’t feel like a missile could hit them at any moment, I’m not convinced they will have any real reason to make Putin accountable for his actions or that they will have the motivation required to pressure Putin to end this terrible war.

Then Lets Go, Just nuke it

@jrmerida....👈Is that an a..ss h..ole talking?? Wow there's yet many above too!!

Advisory: When Ukraine reaches the sea, that may be the first indication that Moscow is about to start looking like Bucha, Bakhmut and Mariupol. Ruzzia's day of reckoning approaches.

Best post ever

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Taurus no better spec than Storm Shadow / SCALP which have a slightly heavier tandem warhead, and equal range ( 550km ) ... and SS / SCALP already proven in action.... Ukraine not likely to get Taurus from spineless German government anyway, they still scared to 'upset' Putin, mainly because they love Putin and still get Russian oil and gas despite sanctions.

Extremely expensive, like the storm shadow hit on Sevastopol required 10 missiles, 2-3 hit the target. They costs 2.5 million per unit. They used 25 million for that one attack.

@@Nobody-Nowhere taurus is like the storm ,a nd its not a missele.. itsa flying bom with a samll rc jet engine, slow as hell will not hit any target unless rusias are sleeping

@@Nobody-Nowhere useless crap..its gonna bakrupt uropean citizens

Haha what a joke !

there are already different warheads avaible

I disagree. Deep penetration with this tandem warhead could be very helpful for taking out that bridge. That should probably not be changed. Surface damage can be easily paved over, a quick repair. But if you got a hole through your bridge, that takes time to fix. I prefer the perspective of deep holes over a bigger area of damage.

@@sebastianwendl603 I agree. This missile could take down the supports rather than bridge sections, which would disable the bridge for much much longer

The engineering effort of designing, prototyping, validating, and then producing a modified warhead and smaller fuel tank is likely out of the question. If anything they will limit range via software (in which case there is extra unburned fuel so you already get a bigger warhead in a sense) or by simply not fueling them completely and sealing the fill port.

@@sebastianwendl603 I may have been unclear. You don't need a dual-warhead to destroy a bridge, only for tanks this makes sense. For a bridge you just need a single warhead with as much bang as possible.

...that would mean with just below mach 1 then... ;-D

Yes, blow them up with the Taurus!

Ooops, too late. They definitly are not on the 'party list' But then NATO and most of Europe aren't either. I look at it in the big picture as a weapons testing area, with real targets. This now has little to do with the Ukraine other than those poor folks who get to do the dying.

In reality the most significant difference between the Storm Shadow/SCALP and the Taurus is that Ukraine has one type but not the other. I wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine gets the new upgraded SS/SCALP replacement before the Taurus shows up, if it ever does. As the old saying goes, 'The weapons you have may break my bones but dreams will never hurt me'.

Yes cruise missiles are very exapensive, they cost upwards of a million dollars.

Yep, Kerch Bridge would be the ideal target and is the most valuable Russian asset in this war. Without the bridge Russian forces on Crimea would be starved of munitions, fuel, cruise missiles for the ships and submarines being supplied in Sevastopol.

Yes , and i guess russians will keep looking without a response 😂 .

Agreed. Send out as many decoys as needed but send enough SCALP (ATACMS) to fully drop the Kerch Bridge (which is on Ukrainian land - in CRIMEA)... This would shortly thereafter result in the capitulation of russia! Once Crimea is cut off - they loose not only Crimea but the other areas seized would soon follow. russia is DONE when Sevastopol and Crimea are again Ukraine.

@@bc-guy852 keep living your fantasy. These is not call of duty bro . They cannot asset neither Rabotino a little town of six streets and 400 volks 🤣🤣🤣

@@neptuno7351 I almost had a stroke reading that. Try again with grammar, pls.

500km would be enough to hit the Kremlin from ukrainian territory

@@BoeserKlon at that slow speed, when it starts flyi all russian know that the crap is coming,, if they dont hit it its becasue they dont want to...or theya re worried with more serious targets.

@@robertokandal Oh really? Is that why Ukrainian drones are burning up Russia's oil refineries? Poopin' just doesn't want to shoot them down? He's an odd little guy.

you sound like an Englishman from the 18th century. Explain exactly who is civilized and who is not?

Very basic lesson for you in simple terms about what is and isn’t civilised. What isn’t civilised. Being a Kleptomaniac like Putin Murdering or imprisoning Putins political opponents Removing any sense of democracy from Russia and turning it into an authoritarian state. Eliminating any independent press in Russia Lying to the Russians about the reasons for the war. The Holodomor which many regard as genocide by the Russians against the Ukrainians. An estimated 5m died. The attempted assignation of President Yushchenko by Russian agents The use of machine guns against demonstrators by President Yanukovych The invasion and annexation of Crimea in 2014 by Russia despite the majority wanting to be part of Ukraine. The creation of The Wagner Group to infiltrate The Donbas pretending they were job seekers and attack Ukrainian security forces in 2014. Russia breaking every treaty including the treaty of Friendship which recognised Ukraine’s borders and under took not to use its territory to invade or harm their respective borders. Russia breaking the Minsk 1 and 2 agreements ( and cynically blaming Ukraine) and murdering about 350 Ukrainian servicemen using a pre agreed safe withdrawal corridor Russia pretending that ethnic Russian in The Donbas were in danger as they did in Georgia. Remember 85% of the Donbas voted to be part of Ukraine.Bear in mind that today you can speak Russian in Kiev without criticism and a third of Ukrainians speak Russian as their first language. The barbaric unprovoked invasion of Ukraine in 2021 The kidnapping of over 20,000 named children by Russia. (Ukraine claims 700,000 children are unaccounted for). Putin is of course a wanted man for this The bombing by Russia of hospitals and other medical facilities in Ukraine, (The Red Cross confirmed nearly 800 had been damaged in the first 6 months of the war). Russia used the same tactics of terror in Syria including bombing UN aid convoys. The bombing and targeting of residential blocks, theatres, civilian infrastructure, shopping centres, by Russia etc The extrajudicial killings of Ukrainian servicemen and civilians many with their hands tied on a scale which goes far beyond the excuse there are a few rogue units. I could go on but I think you get the point. So what is civilised. Putting in place democratic safe guards A fair and balanced society where the enormous wealth in natural resources in Russia would be shared more equally instead of with a few Oligarchs Reducing corruption to a minimum Having an independent judiciary and police Having a free press Following a reasonable Human Rights Charter Making politicians answerable and accountable for their decisions. Providing aid to those in need whether that’s help with food security, infections and diseases, economic aid or military aid where a country is under an illegal unjustified invasion. I could go on. …..and on. @@leonardoorellano6652

@@leonardoorellano6652 the parfum drinking russians are uncivilized and the rest of the world is civilized.

Where is that...civilised world ?

Somewhere which hasn’t been corrupted by the lies and false propaganda of the Russian state. Countries that respect the rule of law, neighbours, boundaries, and honour treaties. Countries which aren’t ruled by authoritarian dictators who rule their own people through corruption intimidation and murder. It excludes countries that kill tens of Thousands of civilians under the false excuse they are fighting in self defence. It includes countries that respect freedom, human rights, the right to protest and democracy. So that would rule out a lot of countries including Russia, India, China, Iran, Afghanistan, Isreal, quite a few African states and many others. Maybe also the US if Trump gets in. @@planetfun85

Well we can certainly give a nod to the adequate while maintaining hope for the better, can we not.

Taurus has 2-3x the range of Storm Shadow

hope russia wipes london out , it is the head of the snake during history of mankind

@@miskaknapek And its still in a warehouse whereas Storm isn't!. See the difference?

- "End of argument." You mean end of your childish burst? All advanced weapons Ukraine has already gotten from the allied countries have been at some stage at the phase of "donation considered", and Storm Shadow/Scalp is no exception of that. Did you proclaim irrelevance of the Storm Shadow the same way before it arrived to Ukraine? Many, like ATACMS of the USA, are still at the phase where their donation is being considered. It's noteworthy how some people in the allied countries get critical about certain things only when Germany does or doesn't do them, other countries getting a "pass" when they do them. Ironically the reason for that seems to be to large part Russian anti-German propaganda and hybrid warfare that Russia has conducted on the western social media during the most of the 2000's. Unfortunately that influence campaign was successful, and many regular people in the west seem to have acquired a staying anti-German attitude because of that. They don't know where their attitude came from, and believe that it's based on their own consideration and observations.

Putin has better weapons than the combined West. I do not think Putin is worried at all.

Ukraine should prepay 50% up front and other half from the EU, after upcoming US elections SS Zelensky gonna have to start a onlyfans account or blackmail another corrupt world leader to beg for money since demanding money to ammo will not work anymore.

Handing over weapons like this means ww3

I am pretty sure my government will allow to send them to Ukraine. It is just a question of time. I do hope it will be sooner!

iyts so much easier to destroya taurus then destroy a drone, beleive me...

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because it knows where it shouldn't be. All cruise Western missiles have this capability.

it also knows where it was and where it's going to be and what it's going to do when it gets there too

Actually, it knows where it isn't, and subtracts that from everywhere it could be to determine where it is.

UA is done...

Meteor, the 'I win button' of aerial combat.

@@janines4314 Righto, troll, whatever you say.........

@@MikeAG333 You will see :) It is no so far.

You are rarely naive people! You obviously have no idea what's going on. These weapons will be useless when nonfiction develops to this extent.

and Rusia deliver just one raket to Germany, und dan ist Feierabent.

like thes torm shaodw its crap.. its usefull against civilinas with rifles like talibans and houtis, not agiasnt russia,, are you joking to me???

@@robertokandal Take your garbage English language skills and keep them in St. Petersburg.

They wont as its way too complicated, and if they did.. those factories would be targeted in an instant.

@@Nobody-Nowhere you obviously don't know much about modern aviation engineering or you wouldn't say it's too complicated. I am an aircraft mechanic, both Airframe & Piwerplant AND had lifelong participation in the Experimental Aircraft Association so I know how to build and repair PLUS I know that there's multiple software programs for designing aircraft that have been out for a decade or more. I also have a bit of knowledge about drone and RC aircraft that I know people with similar knowledge coukd use to make some type of cruise missiles. I've seen where the brain of a UAV was a regular cell phone because it has a lot of the capability of an autopilot with its GPS and position sensors and magnetic sensor plus air pressure /barometer/ altitude sensor. Yes, something at the level of the US cruise missiles or the British Storm Shadow might be a reach at this time but a simpler craft is definitely possible. As for targeting, dispersing manufacturing would certainly be necessary but it doesn't have to be some huge factory, a lot can be fabricated in small business spaces. I've built two, two person airplanes and one four person plane in a two car garage. One aluminum sheet metal (riveted) and the others composite

@@bobjoatmon1993 yES indeed , the Ukraians are very tech saavy with skills and education to match US , Did you know they were a major weapons exporter before the war ? And as for their civilian tech base they had major tech conglomerates like Oracle . google and others there i think . That civilian MP woman thnat I used to see a lot of was president of one if these companies , Kira somewthing I think

Ukraine got bombed a lot and before the war Russians poached labor from those companies. Among other things that happened to Ukrainian defence industry.

@@noop9k it doesn't take a big factory to hydroform sheet metal, it can be done with relatively simple machines in a small building then the product transported to the next step. Same with composites, the positive or negative Molds aren't that hard to build (done it myself, again in a house hold garage. The hardest thing is acquiring the power plants, they'd be imported from Europe or the US. Off the shelf electronics are available worldwide and again IT DOESN'T MATER FUCK ALL IF THE OLD PLANTS ARE DESTROYED!!!

Cruise missiles are just single use unmanned airplanes, yes.

You think cruise missiles don't use engines?

Literally the first cruise missile, the V1, used pulse jet engine, not a rocket.

thsi si not a missel, its a flying bomb.

@@filonin2 so the iran gerard are misseles??? they ahve a engine,, a explosive head and they ahve guidance..

that's the size of the primary charge. I believe that would be the explosive that breaches the target's hull.

Go back and rewatch the video. It's 16 feet overall and 3.5 feet wide. It's easy to get mixed up when you don't pay attention to what you're watching.

@@donnievance1942 I did, and he's describing the primary charge with those smaller dimensions, but on the graphic they draw misleading lines the full length and width of the missile!

You don't need a war to figure that out. When was the last time you were at home depot?

The West has sold China the technology to make 1st products. I have worked in China and managers of American and EU companies all would tell me that as soon or even before their manufacturing was up Chinese companies were knocking off their products. Also China required Technology transfers and Chinese Co-owership for a lot of companies before they could do business there.

Let us guess the source of the information was either the MSM or a state sponsored think tank? But yeh, China might be having Russia test some of there systems, what of it? The Russian systems have left NATO in sheer panic at there volume and accuracy. Russia can shoot down or jam most western systems at a fairly high hit rate. The west has no answer for anything Russia has (Russian drones are taking western armour at will, Russian missiles took out the patriot system on day 1 easily etc etc)

Chinese and Russian engineering is generally copy cat, cheapest materials, poorly educated labor, and not made to last. No surprise

you have been reading Western propaganda probably. Russia doesn't need many foreign weapons as they never gave up on military production (like the West).

A missile IS a robot.

@@filonin2 its not a missel it has a small rc jet engine, its a toy ...

because they are not firing them at Germany

This is more advanced.

@@neilknightley4703 yes it is but they still don't have it and can't use it on Russia which they should absolutely do to counter direct attacks.

@@miikapekk5155 The Neptune missle is basically air-launched missle with added starting module to launch from surface. Recently some of them disabled (probably destroyed) the s-400 complex in Crimea. This is huge by itself but alredy developed and proven missle is desperately needed. This goes in parallel with self-development.

Yes Ukraine was once Soviets best supplier of military and space materiel, they still have a lot of expertise, but with a range of over 300km the Nepture seem very capable - even on land targets.... Warhead is only 150kg though and I'm not sure it's surface skimming (over land as well) but it just needs a bit of upscaling!

That doesnt matter. They wont get it and if, they wouldnt get it in numbers needed. It s always best to rely on your own. @@neilknightley4703

ahaaha ,,, cant even last 20 minutes on air before being destroyed wanna bet with me???

​@@robertokandalThe Stormshadow shows how efficient the defense is...

That is somewhat the reason, yes. actually it was just written on german news that to make them compatible to be launched by ukrainian (soviet) airplanes some top secret NATO-Tech has to be declassified and trusted to Ukraine.

Sir,you are so right!

It's just advertising. SCALP technology is the same as Taurus and it will be the same as Taurus, that's why Germany does not supply it, afraid of the costs of anti-advertising.

yeah its basically the same device, except for the more efficient engine@@mikhailmik

Yeah the two missiles are very similar in capability, which is not surprising given that they were designed to be carried by some of the same aircraft (Tornado and Eurofighter/Typhoon). Like France and the UK, Germany and Sweden are also members of the Missile Technology Control Regime so any Tauruses given to Ukraine will be limited to 300 km range.

@@JonMartinYXD British Airospace-Boffers involved with building both missiles for as you pointed out essentially the same customers to do the same job in much the same way. However, while the British and French Airforces seem to have gone for the missile version of an Audi A3 seems the German Airforce have gone for the A7 version with bigger engine/range and bigger warheads. Is the Taurus KEPD350 just the ultimate German beach mat when it comes to claiming control of all the best spots on the Black Sea?

@@stuartbailey9287 Disagree on your Audi analogy. mass: Storm Shadow 1300 kg, Taurus 1400 kg warhead mass: Storm Shadow 450 kg, Taurus 481 kg range: Storm Shadow 550 km, Taurus >500 km max speed: Storm Shadow M 0.95, Taurus M 0.95 On paper the two missiles are practically the same. Even their basic method of operation is the same: hug terrain until arriving at target area, bunt to increase field of view, spot target, dive on target.

pootin only needs 1 in his bunker to bonk

Try 1300

@@handler007Where is the bunker?

Storm Shadow / SCALP also have tandem BROACH warhead, and a range of 550 Km, so why should Ruzzia be more scared of Taurus ? The difference is that Ukraine already has SS / SCALP but is not likely to get Taurus from spineless Germany, still afraid to 'upset' Putin... maybe because Germany still get oil and gas from Putin despite sanctions....

Stormshadow has a range of up to 300km (Taurus 500+) and a speed of around 400 km/h (taurus 970). Stormshadow isnt specialized in penetrating bunkers, Taurus is. So no, it's a different system.

@@NotUnymous range is the same and speed is the same between the two. storm shadow uses a twin charge warhead as well called BROACH. Both are made by MBDA

@@MTBScotland Taurus range is 500+ km officially. But unofficially russians expect it to have a range of 900 km.

and much more ...

It's better than the storm shadow in every aspect. Sensors, range, warhead.. It can't get jammed as easy, has flares to defend itself and can operate independently in the area of the target.

they want to bleed out Russia and diminish it's military capabilities for a couple of decades. A regime change would be nice also, but unfortunately it's essentially a thug nation similar to the mafia

taurus is the storm shadow,, it has a diferent name cause its produce in other countries , its the same weapon but with slight differences, depending onc ountries is produced, i think this is a germnay sweeden production. Who is finantianting the war, usa stopped fiantiating it,, there is a dark secret in this war...

That makes literally no sense.

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And how will that help the tens of thousands of Ukrainian men dying on the frontline? I know you dont care, but you must admit your comment is a bit stupid.

Russia supplied Crimea without the Kerch Bridge for years... It now has a land corridor.. Apart from propaganda Kerch Bridge has ZERO value

please give a source fot that claim. Known sources do not confirm that claim.

one taurus costs 1 million euro no joke ;>

I'd buy that genius a drink.

Yes so?

We can wait for Neptun to do that. Or literally anyone of the Siloviki that has suffered from putins stupidity

could be me

Saab Bofors is part of the Swedish SAAB group, MBDA Deutschland is a subsidiary of the wider MBDA company, but it is based in Germany, so yes, this missile is German (and Swedish) with components from various other countries as well.

not of British origin? impossible, right?

​@@apis_aculeithat's frequently a problem here and fits to our French friends as well.I like the idea, that it is a proper baby of a successful European cooperation

5km ;)

just that spaniards wont do it of course. not only because its on brotherly terms with germany but also because it wouldnt even deliver their own cruise missiles to Ukraine so clearly they arent interested in helpind ukrain in this specific case...

@@NotUnymous Spain HAS the ability, they do not need any "placet" from Germany to do Taurus fit with whatever ammo system that let someone make comaptible. Other question is that Spain has no enough number of Taurus missiles to let them to Ukraine anyway, not now and in a near future. Saddly we have not the financial strength od Germany, France, UK or Italy, but we have the skill to make feasible things that other consider impossible.

theya re using ukranian jsut to test the wepon,, the problem is they will not suplly more and ukranina will suffr retaliations if they hit nay russian territory. nice tricjk using ukroimebcils.fascists

Well maybe not all of them, for instance the poor bastards on the business end of this thing

Well. I wonder if weapons are really the best example to demonstrate how AI is "beneficial" to humans. 🤔🤔

this has nothing to do with AI, wake up. Lean and get a Job, maybe programmer.

@@HabibiGermanyahahahah

they have something better than atacms

you mean without limitations...

This is a good point. The F18 is a better aircraft for Ukraine vs the F16. There are also quite a few of them already headed towards retirement.

God clearly does not.

Ukraine Like Sadam Hussain's Iraq after giving them everything to fight Iran. NATO and the US will attack them in another war to destroy everything they have given them.

one year, then they will order nukes ass well.

And what an entry they'd make.

3 types...gps, geländefolgeradar and höhenradar...this is, because its impossible to defend

Evidence Ruzzian bot?

@hyp77 the cartels in Mexico have been seen with stuff sent to ukraine. Not everyone that goes againest your narrative you were fed is a bot kid.

@@shuryougospel5424 are you talking about that training AT4 cosplaying as a Javelin, vatnik?

@@Kohagaan you are far too trusting that the equipment went where ukraine and the government said it did.

@@shuryougospel5424 that's a "you" problem. From here it looks that Ukraine received the equipment, and they are not afraid to use it.

If Russia were at war with this country, two days, max, and all would be over, Russia destroying this back water. The U.S is terrified of Russia.

3 days 😂

Then move on and troll around somewhere else. But why are your Leaders always getting a Heartattack when new western Weapons are provided to Ukraine?

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yeah, and they all work according to plan.

Also atack yevgeny plane😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@panchovilla3493 lebih mulia russia dari pada mereka menentang LGBT dari pada nato melegalkan nya hanya bangsa yang berakal dan waras menentang LGBT

LMAO😁🤣🤪 Ah those wet right-wing dreams... Mate, they can not defeat Ukraine!!!😈 * Razzia - means incursion, invasion, raid => Muscovy😁 Слава Україні (Glory to Ukraine)!!!

Rusia hampir tidak bisa menahan serangan Ukraina. NATO akan menghancurkan Rusia menjadi bubuk.

How’s St. Petersburg comrade?

@@chandelier6811 Petersburg was already taken by Ukraine, its now Zelensburg.

It, and others, engage in the constant lie that is war between Russia and Ukraine. Russia could destroy this back water within a couple of days, if at war.

They have to sell the war only the US interested in. 😏 Clear as the sky.

It doesn't support but condemns killers and occupiers from Russia