Thank you for this thorough comparison. I ordered a white ES-120 months ago, and finally got it a few days ago. I wish I had known about the gray option. Sounds wonderful through my music system. Not so great using built-in speakers - kind of tinny I think. I wish it had standard bass and treble controls , because its seriously lacking in the bass when using the built in speakers. That may be because I have it on a slide out drawer with a solid bottom, so that may be blocking the sound. Setting the EQ for "on a table" setting seems to help a bit, but not enough. Also the old ES-110 came with a good solid damper pedal, but this comes with a plastic piece of junk. But my biggest complaint is the bluetooth functionality. The phone app works great and is the best way to control the keyboard, but it does lack some functions, like being able to disable or enable the on-board speakers. That's just a weird omission. But the big problem is that when using the app, it's using bluetooth. So as soon as you do that (enable bluetooth) it disables the USB midi functionality. But in order to choose a midi channel to output on, it would be easiest to use the app, but obviously you can't, unless you pair it with bluetooth, make the selection, then unpair it again. You can also set the midi channel on the device itself but you will need to refer to the manual every time, because there are no menus or anything like that. You can also use it as a a bluetooth midi controller. But again, you have to unpair the app to do that, because it can only pair with one thing at a time. So that's a pretty major dissapointment. I know there are way better midi controllers out there, I was just hoping that this could do double duty. I bought this on the strength of some reviews of the ES-110. I figured I'd wait for the ES-120. Currently I have a Roland DP-90, which sounds and feels amazing, but is way too big and heavy to bring to gigs. I also have a Roland RD-88. It is fantastic as a MIDI controller, and has a good feel, but the piano sound itself is modeled, and not good IMHO. I have a Roland half-pedal capable damper pedal (DP10) which is the wrong polarity for the Kawai, and can't be easily switched. I don't think I ever really used half-pedaling anyway, so I won't be buying Kauai's version (F-10H), which is $70.. I'll probably just keep the RD-88 as my controller, and gig with the ES-120. One final comment on the ES-120: the headphone jacks are on the front, and come in both sizes, which is a very nice touch. Headphone jacks on the back of keyboards is kind of stupid, IMHO. But the other jacks are on the back and inset very deeply, and very poorly marked. You will have to basically either go around the back with a flashlight, or pick the piano up and tilt it on its front edge to find them. Thanks again.
You're very welcome! Congratulations on securing a brand new ES120! I know you will be thrilled with what it has to offer musically. I certainly understand your sentiment about the gray finish, it is quite striking! And I understand some of your grievances with Bluetooth and App functionality. Unfortunately, it is pretty difficult to find a piano that truly does it all and, of course, it is also relevant to the price point that a piano is offered at. Manufacturers can obviously pack a lot more features into an instrument when it is being sold at a higher price. Thanks again for tuning in and sharing your insights! We appreciate it. :)
I think tiny internal speakers aren't the deal breaker because most people can get big external speakers. I wonder if there are any decent wireless dongles to transmit the sound signal to an amplifier onstage?
Be careful: Kawai ES-120 can make loud case noises when placed on its own piano stand. The case is identical to the older ES-110. So test them out on their own piano stands before buying. Excellent video.
Thanks for tuning in! I have not experienced that specific problem with floor models or customer's pianos that were set up on the match HML2 stand. Is it possible this issue was unique to a specific unit or have you experienced it with multiple ES120 units?
Thanks Stu for a great review as always! The P-125A is a huge downgrade from the P-125; it’s the exact same piano BUT THEY REMOVED THE AUDIO INTERFACE! And since there is no aux in on the P-125, there is no no longer a way to stream audio in to play along with (backing tracks, RU-vid etc), and you can no longer send direct audio out via USB. Hope a P-135 comes out soon…..
I wonder if the P-125a is meant to replace the P-45... then Yamaha will release an actual successor of the P-125 next year... the fact that the P-125a is $200 cheaper than the ES120 seems to suggest that the real P-125 successor will come next year at probably the same price.
Great video! Decided the ES120 for myself although the P125 was pretty good too. Will you be reviewing the new P225 or p145? They're pretty much direct upgrades from the P45 and P125/P125a and I would love to hear Stu's thoughts about it
Thank you kindly! Congrats on your ES120! It is a fantastic piano with the most authentic piano sound in its class as far as I'm concerned. I know that we have a P225 video in the queue and I imagine that Stu will get around to tackling the P145 at one point as well. Thanks for supporting the channel! :)
In my humble opinion the Yamaha sounds more like an acoustic piano the Kawai sounds well a bit digital!!! Love your research and content one of the best on RU-vid for sure, much appreciated review
I’m looking at getting my first piano, and after checking out several reviews, I was pretty sure it was going to be a Kawai since I liked the sound of them. I also want a portable one which is why I settled on the ES line. I was initially going for the ES120, since I’m a newbie and probably don’t want to spend a four-digit amount for it. But then I noticed that, here in Europe, the ES520 actually costs only 200 € more (or even just 100 € if you buy a product returned within 30 days; essentially new). Considering this, 899 € for the ES-520 seems like a no-brainer!
The ES520 is a wonderful instrument and a fantastic step-up from the ES110 or ES120 at the price point you are able to secure it for. I am confident that you would be beyond thrilled with the musical experience it offers! :)
Great review! I’ve owned the shorter P121 and played the original P125. I completed around 300 gigs on the P121 with the original GHS action. During many months the action became quite lighter as it wore in and some of the keys became noisy. This was also experienced on an older P125 which was installed in a live venue. I then sold my P121 and bought a new P125a…….I totally agree, the GHS action has definitely been updated with a firmer feel, less wear after many gigs and additionally an overall fat sound both through the speakers or line outs! Maybe they did this while preparing for the new CK88 to use the same keyboard action, but more durable and playable!
There have definitely been some meaningful improvements, which have helped provide greater durability and longevity. Thanks so much for tuning in and sharing your experiences with these various models. We appreciate it! :)
I don't even need this particular review anymore after making my decision on the P125, but I just enjoy Stu's presence and unbiased reviews on everything this channel offers.
Yess !! Finally a es120 review/comparison ! Tysm for the review 🤍🤍 !!! I have one question tho, i know it's a random one, but is there a huge difference between playing on the es120 compared to the yamaha ydp 165 ? I know this Isn't a fair comparison due to price tag, but does the ydp hold good during time? I will study mainly classic pieces. I tried both the ydp 165 and the es110 (not the 120) on a piano store, and pointed out that 110 has much much more a "gummy" feeling to me, compared to the gh3 action which felt better under my hands. So my question is, can the ydp 165 be a good replacement to an acoustic piano for practice and then would it be difficoult to move and playing on a "real" one ? I have an upright but need the best practice piano for a limited budget. ( Thank you so much if you will reply, i really need a confirm of this, ty in advance for your time🤍 , I wish you a wonderful day and gl with your job, thanks for the quality content you upload everytime, you deserve way more subs !! ) ^^
Thanks so much for checking out the video and taking the time to write in! :) The ES120 has definitely seen some improvements from the ES110, particularly in regard to the action. There is a more solid feeling to me, which might be more preferential to you from the "gummy" feeling you're describing. As for the YDP165 being a suitable alternative from an acoustic instrument, it really comes down to the level and preferences of the player. With that said, there are higher-end digital pianos that, in my opinion, will capture more of the nuances and sensations of an acoustic piano. Thanks and hope this helps a bit!
Great review as always on the Stu's channel. I am stll preparing myself to buy the ES920 as this is somehow a financial challenge but I believe that the fame of the Kawai brand is 100% deserved. Paired with, for example, PianoTeq, it could potenatially embody truly musical wonders. :)
Thanks for tuning in! The ES920 is a wonderful instrument and I am confident that you would be quite thrilled with what it offers musically. All the best! :)
That's awesome! Congrats on your new piano! For people that are mainly use the instrument for piano practicing/playing, the absence of the audio interface won't be a huge deal. :)
Thanks Stu, great video as always. I enjoyed a lot when I tried ES120 in the showroom, though, to be honest P125 had never been my cup of tea. I am also quite a big fan of Roland FP30X and I am looking forward to Stu comparing it to the ES120. As a long time loyal follower of the channel, I have the feeling that video would be in the pipeline 😉.
Thanks for tuning in and supporting our channel! We really appreciate it! Your instinct is correct. ;) You can expect an ES120 versus FP30X comparison video shortly.
Nicely done. I notice you've changed the music between the video sections. It sounds fine, but I was wondering if the other track is available somewhere. I like it a lot.
In the comparison betwen ES-110 and FP-30x you said you were more comfortable playing classical pieces on the Kawai. Is that still the case for the ES-120? Does the action change make it any less comfortable than it was on ES-110?
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! While I cannot speak on behalf of Stu, in my personal opinion, I think the tonal profile and versatility of the ES110 / ES120 is more aligned to classical repertoire (generally speaking anyways). The added solidity to the ES120's improved RHC action does not change that for me. If anything, it provides a greater sense of control, which is an overall benefit to the playing experience.
silly question but do the low end keys really have a heavier touch and the high end keys have a lighter touch on the yamaha p125a? one of my schoolmates had recently bought a p125a and i got to touch it and press the keys for a split second and it felt like every key weighed the same. let me make it clear that i'm no expert on digital pianos, but i'm considering getting a p125a, too, to get started with my lessons
That is certainly not a silly question! While the weighting difference between the different registers may feel quite subtle to some, the P125's action is "grade weighted". I would also recommend checking out the FP10/FP30X model by Roland, especially if you are looking for a similarly price portable digital piano with an authentic piano touch. The PHA4 action featured on those two Roland models is excellent and quite authentic feeling. :)
nice video, thank you!. Does the kawai remember its last settings when turned on? I mean, lets say I play the electric piano and turn the unit off, if I come back tomorrow, will the electric piano be active after turning the unit on?
Thank you so much for the review! What to choose between Kawai ES-120 and KDP-120? They are almost the same price. If I'll buy the ES-120 I'll anyway need to buy a stand and a good pedal for it, which KDP-120 already has. I also love the idea of portable piano, but I don't really need to handle it somewhere, I'll only use it at home for practising piano. But the ES-120 looks much more modern, so maybe the key action and the sounds are better too?
Hi! Brent here! The piano sounds are virtually the same given the use of the same Harmonic Imaging tone engine. The action and speaker system in the KDP120 is a meaningful step up however. With that said, when it comes to portability and a modern aesthetic, the ES120 would have an edge. :)
I’m a heathen. I just bought and received a P125a. So far I dig it. It’s my first weighted keyboard after having various synths and keyboards for many years.
Congrats on your new piano! I'm glad to hear you've been enjoying it. It is good to have different tools for different jobs, so I'm sure it will be a great addition to the arsenal. :)
I literally just got home from a store where I picked up the ES120. I really didn't like the Yamaha so I'm happy with my purchase. Picked it up for 780$ converted.
The ES120 is a remarkable instrument with a fantastic value! Congratulations on securing an ES120! I know you will be thrilled with what it offers musically. :)
How do I know if the Speaker EQ is off on the Kawai ES120? I’ve been told to hold down function and the F#6 key, but I don’t know how to tell for sure if the sound quality had improved or not. I think I need some help…😂
Hi there! You may find the following written tutorial from Kawai helpful: www.kawai-global.com/support/faq/how-can-i-achieve-the-best-sound-quality-from-the-line-out-connectors-on-my-es120-portable-piano/ In terms of how to tell whether there has been an improvement to the sound quality, that is a matter of subjectivity. Everyone's ears will be different and some will be more discerning than others. The settings you choose should be in line with the sound source you'll be listening to (internal speakers versus headphones). Thanks and hope this helps! :)
I'm surprised you didn't talk about the major upgrade to the es 120, that it now includes the sk-ex sample that you like. The es 110 only had the ex sample. Like you, I much prefer the sk-ex sample and for me that would be a significant reason to consider the es 120, especially if you use external monitors or headphones. I have the es 110 and it is my all-time favorite keyboard action, I feel like I'm flying, the expression is so fluid and dynamic. However, I really grew to dislike the user interface, just too basic and a hassle to remember what combination of button and keystrokes will do what. And I very much disliked the sound from the speakers, and with the es 120 still being downward firing, I doubt that a few extra watts are going to make much of a difference. My solid recommendation if people like the action on the es 110 or 120 and are on a tight budget, buy the es520 if you can. It has the infinitely improved upward firing speakers, a very decent user interface, and the same wonderful RHC keybed with some minor improvements. A surprisingly significant omission on the es 120 is that there is no aux in. Bluetooth MIDI has very little latency and is very usable and super convenient, no wires. So your keyboard playing gets sent via Bluetooth MIDI to your iPad where you have various instrument apps. Bluetooth audio by contrast has way too much latency and is unusable, so getting the sound FROM the iPad back to the instrument means you need an aux in on the keyboard. With Bluetooth midi and an aux in you come close to the convenience and practicality of having an audio interface (at least for adding sounds from an external source). Without that simple aux in, you need external speakers as well as a mixer so that you can blend the sound from the keyboard along with the iPad instrument sounds, and you can no longer use the onboard speakers if you want to hear the additional iPad sounds. What a hassle! All they needed to do is add that aux in. The es520 and 920 both have Bluetooth midi as well as an aux in, which makes integrating external instrument sounds into the keyboard very simple, one little audio cable. I've got the es920 and love it. As far as I can tell there is nothing else on the market that has such nice speakers, great sounds and keyboard action, and weighs under 40 lb.
Hmmmm.... no mention of the fabulous action on the es 120? I assume it's the same feel as the es 110? I suppose you feel the need to be as objective as possible, but what do you think? There's some of us like myself and many others who consider the action on the es 110 to be the most playable, enjoyable and expressive digital keyboard action they have ever experienced, it's a revelation as far as I am concerned! I do know that some consider it too light, especially if you want something as close to a acoustic piano as possible, finger strength and all that. WDYT? I suppose it's a minefield expressing opinions one way or given it's all about individual preferences, but you can say the same thing about an opinion regarding the sound quality, and you did manage to find words for why you preferred the es 120 sound over the p125a. People want to hear what you think, what you experience, especially if it's couched as a personal opinion. As you know, any serious or even amateur piano player cares very much about the finger to ear connection and the feel of the keypad , it's a major part of the buying decision, which is what we look to these reviews to provide. I thought this was a good review and enjoyed it, but not covering the action and how it feels is a major omission.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks so much for taking the time to share your insights about the Kawai ES line! As you mentioned, there are a plethora of excellent updates to the ES120, including the action. It is an update to the RHC action and is far quieter in terms of key noise and has a more solid feel overall. To your point about preferring the action of the ES110 over other models, including the more expensive counterparts in the ES line, you are not the only player to express that view. While a heavier touch and features like "escapement" are very important to some players to simulate the feeling of playing an acoustic grand piano, there are players out there that prefer a lighter touch and simply do not enjoy dealing with let-off/escapement with their digital piano actions. As you've suggested, it all comes down to a matter of preference at the end of the day. Thanks so much once again for tuning in and sharing your thoughts! :)
@B'hoy TV100 Absolutely. The ES120 sounds better than the Yamaha (in Stu’s opinion, I haven’t tried them side by side but the general consensus I’ve heard says so), and while the action and sound of the SK-EX piano on the ES120 is excellent, the user interface really sucks, as do the speakers, so big wins there with the ES520. ALSO the 520 has an Aux In (big omission on the ES120), and paired with the BT MIDI, you’re able to use an iPad/laptop for more sounds and it’s super easy to do, you only need one 1/8” audio cable. AND the ES520 still has that fluid and dynamically expressive keybed as the ES120, but it’s been improved. The ES520 is an easy call, but of course it’s 40%? more expensive, but it’s worth it. I would NOT buy the ES110, the piano sample is not to my liking, the only thing that’s good is the keybed. The ES120 is worth it if you plan on having external speakers or headphones and don’t care about the user interface, like someone who just plays piano.
@B'hoy TV100 My pleasure. I’ve never bought any of the stands made by Kawai. I’ve heard they’re serviceable, and it gives you lots of room for your feet, esp compared to an X stand, and in a living room it looks more like furniture than most stands. For my money the ES520 and 920 are the most affordable digital pianos available that give you close to a real piano experience- they have such a good sound and keyboard action and are still relatively lightweight.
nice review of the entry level giants.I think the reason Yamaha insists on the shiny plastic is because it looks somewhat like the U pianos.Yamaha has ahuge history,but other than their concert Grand which has competition from Kawai,Steinway,Fazioli etc.i think they are particularly proud of their world record selling U series.
Thank you! We appreciate you tuning in. The Yamaha U series is an iconic line of fantastic, well-made instruments. With that said, it all comes down to a matter of personal preference as to which piano model will connect with someone. Every single manufacturer and model offers something a bit different musically. :)
Thanks for tuning in and reaching out! There are a number of factors to consider, including price point. With that said, the Roland FP30X, FP60X, and FP90X are excellent all-in portable digital piano options that would serve as both an excellent stage and studio instrument. The Kawai ES series and Casio PXS series are also worth consideration as well. :)
Congrats on beginning your piano journey! There is certainly no wrong choice between these two powerhouse instruments. It ultimately comes down to a matter of taste and personal preference! :)
I am always wondering if people really use all the sounds of digital pianos, Stu is demonstrating for more than 30 min. It may be only me but I never used (or even tried) more than one or two the best grand piano sample sets or models of any digital piano I had (eight so far).
Every player is a little different and using their instrument in different contexts. We have many players that purchase the ES110 or ES120 as gigging instruments in which case they do rely on having a fairly extensive selection of alternate instrument tones. :)
Listening again, not sure why this shootout focuses on the key surface, which is icing on the cake. In my book and the reason I watch these videos, a comparison needs to talk about the finger to ear connection and general playing experience of a keybed.
Hi Randy! Thanks for tuning in! We appreciate the feedback. That is certainly a very important detail to consider when comparing and shopping for digital pianos. :)
Very helpful vid indeed! - thank you!! The es is the review ive been waiting for before choosing my next board. The interface and bluetooth are worth the difference in price for the es that also has better basic pianos.
Thanks for the very helpful review. One thing I'd like to ask, maybe anybody knows? I'd be curious to learn if there is a noticable difference in how heavy the keys feel to play. I know some people reported the ES120 having a somewhat light touch. But how is it in comparison to the P125?
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! You're very welcome! Thank you for tuning in! We appreciate it. :) Most players find the ES120's action to play lighter than the P125. With that said, the updates to the ES120's action (extra cushioning) from its predecessor, the ES110, has given the ES120's touch more rigidity and an overall more solid feel. It is a very rewarding action to play upon in my opinion!
@@MerriamPianos Thank you very much for your kind response. I'm gravitating towards the ES-120 because I'm mostly focused on a good and easy piano playing experience. I could try the P-125a in a local music shop, however they don't have the ES-120. The P-125a is quite nice too, I still believe the keyboard of the ES-120 is a tad nicer and easier to play on, and on top of that I think that the piano sounds of the ES-120 are superior, so it's worth the higher price.
For those desiding between these 2 keyboards I think it doesn't matter if the sound comes from a CFIIIS or an S K EX as long as the sound fits their ears. Is the build quality a lot beter on the ES120 than on the ES110?🎹🎶
I totally agree! Beauty is in the ears of the beholder when it comes to pianos and instruments in general. There have definitely been some upgrades and improvements between the ES110 and ES120, particularly in regard to the action. :)
Another great and much needed thorough review of these two very good digital pianos. Thank you for this interesting comparison! I wonder if yamaha is coming out with an updated 73 key p121a as well? 🤔
Thank you so much! We're glad you enjoyed it! It is hard to say at this point. I have not heard anything regarding an update, but it is certainly possible. :)
If could be that the P-125a is simply the P-45 successor... it is being sold at $200 less than the ES120... then Yamaha could release a new series next year for the P-125 and P-121 with audio interface, Bluetooth, CFX samples, etc.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! I do not believe that overdubbing can be achieved on board. With that said, you could use these models in conjunction with a DAW that would allow you to overdub or layer a multitude of tracks. :)
Hi! Brent here! The ES120 does not have a USB audio interface. It does have a USB MIDI interface as well as Bluetooth MIDI and audio. Thanks and all the best! :)
what a great in-depth review! not like some other youtube reviews who are biased on their opinion because they own a product that they compares. I am looking forward for the ES120 vs FP30X soon since they feel more similar and newer (and just purchased an FP30x few weeks back bcoz of u hehe) If only I can be near on how great you play those keys. youre awesome 🙏
Due ottimi pianoforti digitali. Tuttavia rispetto all es110 il prezzo è aumentato notevolmente come del resto ha fatto Yamaha. Difficile la scelta!!! I due downgrade più importanti sono per me: Kawai la mancanza del pedale f 10h, Yamaha l'assenza della possibilità di trasmettere file audio tramite USB. Davvero notevoli gli strings di Kawai. In ogni caso vanno provati. Ciao Stu dall'Italia🇮🇹 e complimenti per il tuo ottimo pianismo! 👍🎹 Attendo nuovi confronti.
Thanks so much for tuning in! We appreciate it. I know a lot of piano enthusiasts are a little disappointed at the shift of pedals with the ES120. However, the good news is that other aspects of the piano have been improved to compensate for the pedal situation. :)
Still Kawai 1/3 more pricey . Sounds in Yamaha better to my taste. Kawai more watts ( 20W ) but two speakers, Yamaha less ( 14W ) but four speakers. For beginners, to go, practice - for me Yamaha wins. And next step already looking for some advanced board OR even some pianos. Great review without winners as usual.
Thanks for tuning in! We're glad you enjoyed the review. Every player will have their personal preference of course between these two very solid pianos. With that said, we always recommend to play them in person too because the touch and action is a critical element of a digital piano.
@@MerriamPianos Unfortunately in my area (CT) no any store have in stock such a good choices, not Kawai at all. So, really much relying on experienced reviewers as you guys.
@@MerriamPianos Yamaha started makes two new models keyboards, P225 and P145 . Both reviewed in RU-vid by "Better Music" store AND Yamaha site. Do you have idea when it will be available for sale here in USA ? P.S. Even three, P143 too.
Hi Eric! The Kawai ES120 is selling for virtually the same price point as the FP30X right now (although Roland is running holiday sale pricing on that model). With that said, you can bank on the fact that they're both in the same ballpark. :)
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Given the added solidity of the ES120's improved RHC action, it definitely helps to close the gap a bit with the KDP120's RHCII action. I still feel that the RHCII action on the KDP120 is a bit more responsive across the entire length of the key stick (particularly higher up) though. Thanks and hope this helps! :)
@@Elazarko Yes, but too heavy. The Roland FP30X is 32 pounds, which is my top out for this project (I do own the 85 pound Kawai MP11). I need portability here. I really like the Roland FP90X, but it;'s a whoppiing 52 pounds. The 60X is 47 pounds.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! I can't speak on behalf of Stu, but, from my perspective, the ES920 is a pretty easy choice. While all three of these options are excellent pianos at their respective price points, the action and tone engine of the ES920 over these other models gives it a clear edge in my opinion. :)
@@MerriamPianos I'd like to avoid the minor fatigue that my ES110 causes me. My MP11 does not. Both are 3000 miles away... Since the 920 has a longer key, hopefully it won't hurt at all. I can reach from C to A (6'6"), so that's an issue for me as far as playing near the backs of the keys. I need lighter key weight and a good length and fulcrum positioning.
Hey Stu! I'm a beginner and I'm looking for a piano that will stay with me me for a couple of years. I've been watching a lot of your comparisons and some other reviews but I'm still torn apart between these three: Kawai es120 (or es110 since I haven't seen any local stores/online stores selling the es120 yet), Yamaha P125, and the Roland FP30X. I really don't know what to select from these three. I would really like that sweet spot where the piano sounds great (maybe the kawai es110/120? since some say it sounds great just like an acoustic piano) and the action having a great feeling (not bouncy nor making a ton of noise, they say that the roland fp-30X's action is really good but I've seen comments saying that after a certain amount of time they have experienced the keys becoming clunky etc). For the Yamaha... hmm a balanced bit of both I guess? I haven't tried any of othese irl because we don't have any local piano stores here 😢
Hi! Brent here! Thanks for tuning in and writing in with your question! Obviously, this comes down to a matter of personal preference. If possible, trying these pianos out in person is the best way to make that determination. However, I understand that is not a possibility in this case. Personally, I prioritize action for digital pianos as you can always change the sound by using the piano as a MIDI controller in conjunction with VST plugins. From that perspective, I think the FP30X and PHA4 action would give you the most longevity. Thanks and all the best! :)
Hi! If you still have not bought Yamaha p125 you listen a keybed action on noisy click-click here from 27:43... The GHS keybed is very noisy especially on low-middle volume sound. I play on Yamaha p105 with GHS and it is terrible + the surface of its all keys is not comfortable for finges. But a sound chipset is very good. The most important for beginners a maximum reducing artificial sound on mechanical noise, but piano's companies produce it only above 1200 usd, alas. But a new p225 with GHC is more noiseless...
The action in Kawai has the sensor under the hammer. The Yamaha acti9n has the sensor under the key. The Kawai is more realistic ad you feel the weight then you get the sound. Just like real piano. Yamaha is closer to a keyboard. You hear the sound then you get the feeling of the weight
Thanks so much for tuning in and sharing your insights! We appreciate it! The Kawai ES120 definitely does a fantastic job of creating a lot of realism and authenticity to the player. :)
Have you delved into Barry Harris' 6th diminished scale and its applications, or just a coincidence? :) I heard heavy usage of similar thing in a couple places when you played the Kawai. Anyways, love your improv and I'm always checking these out for 70% that, 30% the instruments (when I'm not buying one).
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! That would certainly be a question for Stu, but that is awesome that you're hearing those details and nuances in Stu's wonderful improvs. :)
Do you really mean Kawai is sampling the "EX" in 2022, a model which was replaced in 1999 by the Shigeru EX? Why should Kawai sampling a piano which is no more produced since 23 years? In the pianoworld forum a Kawai employee has told that even by the year 2010 (and before) all Kawai digital pianos have the Shigeru (SK-EX) sample, only varied.
That would certainly be a question for Kawai, but, with that said, the new Kawai models are starting to feature newer, updated samples. With that said, more variety is never a bad thing. The EX samples still have their loyal fanbase. Thanks for tuning in! :)
Hi! Brent here! I certainly found the action to be a little more rigid/solid (in a good way!) compared to the ES110, but I did not personally experience any muscle fatigue from playing it. At the end of the day, everyone's hands and fingers are different and will gravitate towards certain actions/feels.
So the P125a is just the P125 but with the audio in/out section removed because the 125 had issues with it? So instead of fixing it, they just removed it? That is so lame!
Hi there! While the USB-to-Host connection now only handles MIDI data in stead of MIDI and audio, you can still take an audio signal from the Aux jack outputs.
The main (and very important for me) reason that I much prefer Yamaha digital pianos to any Kawai offering has been Digital Audio Interface. I much prefer using this feature to connecting an external one and then using an audio input when I am running my piano VSTs. No Digital USB Audio Interface means zero interest from me.
I wonder if manufacturers that take out digital audio interface just want their pianos to be their only primary sounds without the competition from others? 🤷🏻♂️
I'm not sure I understand what's been removed. When I used the P121 (73 key version of the P125) with PianoTeq, the USB connection sent MIDI to PTQ, and the resultant audio was sent back to the P121 for playback through its internal speakers. So... the P125a still transmits MIDI to the computer, but is unable to playback the sounds through its speakers? So, now you need external speakers to get audio out from a VST? Is that it?
@@jgmedium Good point. I could not understand why no Kawai digital piano has Digital Audio Interface but your suggestion makes a lot of sense. I have P-515 and I am very happy with both main piano sounds and with the flexibility of very good Digital Audio Interface and good driver for Windows Yamaha has.
Every piano customer and player will have their own "must have" list. The most important thing is to find the option that checks off all the boxes for you personally. :)
Within the last 3 weeks, I’ve had the opportunity to try out several digital pianos, including both of these models. Personally, I seem to be leaning much more to Roland’s, followed by Korg. However, of these two, I prefer the P125 over the ES120, personally I find Kawaii’s a little too bright, and lacking a nice bass sound. The P125 action was underwhelming. I’m an adult beginner who started learning piano at the end of August.
I am happy to hear that you've had a chance to try all of these models in person! The Roland FP series instruments are fantastic and many players prefer them for their excellent actions and balanced tones. Thanks for tuning in and happy playing! :)
@@MerriamPianos Of the Roland FP series I’ve tried both the 30x and the 60x (and actually preferred the 30x over 60x). However it’s the Roland F701 that I’ve enjoyed the most of all recent models that I’ve tried, followed by Korg C1 and B2, then Yamaha P125! However, I’m considering, if I should push my budget up to around £2k, and see what the models are like in that price range?🤔🎹☺️ The F701 is just over £1000.
You can really shape the Kawai sounds with the app audio output section dsp, key action curves, lid position can really change your playing experience and you can achieve quite a bit of dynamic tone and playing differences when these settings. I almost sent mine back but spent a few days dialing in the combination of those settings and it’s a completely different playing experience now!
@@mystorykim Ah, that’s interesting to know. I didn’t know that. I wonder if it may be a little too techy for to do that, being a beginner. Which model Kawaii do you have?
Suggestion - It's difficult to judge when the pieces are not like for like. For me, the Kawai tone sounds brighter and closer to a conventional piano suited to classical pieces. The Yamaha sounds warmer and suited to modern, minimalistic pieces. I personally prefer the P125 sound but would love to hear them in real life. No doubt they are both awesome.
Thank you kindly for the suggestion! I will certainly pass it along to Stu and our production team. :) These are both excellent pianos that present tremendous value for their price point. At the end of the day, it comes down to the preferences of the player as to which option they prefer over the other musically.
Hi there! We have received a number of requests to do a comparison between the AvantGrand and Novus series. We have added it to our list of potential video candidates and will do our best to tackle the topic. Thanks for the suggestion! :)
Hi! Brent here! Thanks for the suggestion! I will certainly add it to the list of potential video candidates for the future. With that said, with so many models out there, it is difficult to tackle them all. Thanks for the suggestion! :)
@@MerriamPianos Hi Brent Thank you for the quick reply! I hope you will because I wonder if it is a improvement from the Korg B2 or if Korg has just repackaged the old Korg B2 and are selling it as a new model. But what I feel is interesting is the LS key action, is it good or not? And how's the quality of the sound sampling compared to the Donner DDP 80 or the other brands like Casio, Roland etc in the same price category? Thank you for all the great reviews!
The FP10 is an awesome piano in its own regard as well! The PHA4 action is exceptional. The most important thing is that you are satisfied with the musical experience it provides. :)
The Yamaha P125 always had piano string resonance. It is stated in the P125 manual, which I cite below (page 25): Tone Generation / Voice • Piano Sound: Pure CF Sound Engine • Piano Effect: Damper Resonance, Stereo Sustain Samples, Keyoff Samples, String Resonance • 24 Preset Voices • Polyphony: 192
@@Instrumental-Covers Error on the manual. They didn't had string resonance (nor Key Off sample) on the old p125. On the new p125a they do. Your not playing the manual your playing the piano. And the piano don't have string resonance. Only the manual 🥴
Hi! Brent here! No, the ES120 is a different action than the ES520. The ES120 has an updated version of the RHC action versus the ES520's RHCII action.
If you play split voices, there is a BIG difference. The ES120 has a fixed split point at C4 and it cannot be changed. The P-125A defaults to F#3 but it _can_ be changed.
The one setback of the ES120 is certainly the switch from the F10H to the F1SP pedal. With that said, the other aspects of the instrument that have been changes are wonderful improvements. :)
P125 vs P125a is string resonance + key off samples. Or a "Piano Engine" in other words. The p125 was just sample player. With no "Piano rendering" above the sound. The p125a do have piano engine. Which is "string resonance" and key off samples. That's all.
The P-125 manual does state that the P-125 had string resonance and key off samples. It is officially stated on page 25: Tone Generation / Voice • Piano Sound: Pure CF Sound Engine • Piano Effect: Damper Resonance, Stereo Sustain Samples, Keyoff Samples, String Resonance • 24 Preset Voices • Polyphony: 192
The ES110 was the only main brand entry level piano which I have disliked more than the P-45. Stu now says there are minor improvements on the 120, and that is disconcerting. At the very beginning, "direct line out" is displayed on the screen. But later we have to presume that it still is direct, even though it sounds kind of tinny.
As always, when it comes to musical preferences, it is a very personal and subjective thing. Both of these models have their very loyal fanbases, but there will always be other players that favour the tone and touch of other manufacturers and models. :)
@@MerriamPianos Sure, you are right. Sorry, I got interrupted by something before I could finish writing my comment. Didn't mean to sound so negative. Previously Stu had hinted that there were substantial improvements to the old action (and tone?) I thought the ES120 should therefore be a lot better. This video slightly steps back from that but I think I need to try it for myself before giving anymore value judgement. It's nice that Stu demonstrated the EX voice too. I agree that it can sound better than the SK-EX in at least some circumstances. I am a sort of fan of the P-125, though I believe that Yamaha should have improved it, and not just stripped a feature off it. Perhaps this is a sign that the P-45 will be dropped, making the P-121/125 the entry level portable. So is the P-121 getting the same treatment? This is a very special instrument since (using Stu's own definition of portable digital piano) it is the only portable in the entire market which has fewer than 88 keys. It would be sad if Yamaha dropped it. Well, perhaps there is an improvement over the P-125. Re-watching, I'm thinking about Stu's comment about the action on the P-125a. I tried a "P-125" about 6 months ago, and immediately noticed how the GHS action was better than on the P-45. Had I tried a P-125a model without realising? Dunno. Thanks for the thought provoking review.
Hi Mike. I believe you are correct that the P-125a is really intended to become the Yamaha P-45 replacement, then the P-135 or whatever model will come next year. The P-125a is just the P-125 "Lite". To me, it still sounds better than the ES120 and been $200 cheaper is the better choice. Yamaha could come with a new model next year that will have again the audio interface, 256 notes of polyphony, Bluetooth, etc., and be sold at the same price than the ES120.
@@Instrumental-Covers That would be a shrewd move by Yamaha. Ideally, the new model would have the plastic version of the GH3 action, if it isn't too heavy to carry.
@@Zoco101 Yes. The P125a, being $200 cheaper than the ES120, makes it a compelling choice. You really don't get much extra in terms of features on the Kawai side after paying $200 more... and if Yamaha upgrades their current lineup to include again the audio interface, the CFX samples, at least a GHS version with matte keys, or even better, the GH3, then they will be making many people happy.
Cordial saludo. En mi humilde opinión, si bien el Yamaha es más acústico, me parece en esta comparación, más versátil o polivalente el Kawai. ¿Cuál recomendarían para ejecutar ritmos tropicales latinos y/o música salsa?? Felicitaciones por el contenido, saludos y éxitos desde Colombia.
Both of these models certainly have their strengths and offer a slightly different flavour musically! With that said, I personally favour the tone of the ES120 and find it to be quite versatile as well. It also contains an excellent selection of 100 built-in rhythms, which would make it a fantastic choice for what you're looking for. :)
@@MerriamPianos Muchas gracias por su respuesta, le ofrezco disculpas por escribir y dirigirme en español. Aquí en Colombia aún no está disponible el Kawai ES120, todavía se comercializa el ES110. De nuevo lo felicito por su calidad de contenido, muy ameno, interesante, profesional y educativo. Felicitaciones, Cordial saludo desde Colombia.
Kawai James mentioned on Pianoworld that in the ES920, there were completely new strings samples upgraded from the ES8, MP7SE and MP11SE samples. Guess these must have made it into the ES120.
Es120 got better piano samples more pianos 2 concert grand with upright k6 sample .. Better action. More WAT to speakers. Everything is better basicly. Yamaha only added at last string resonance and key off samples. All the rest is the same.
It will always come down to the subjectivity of the player in terms of what they prefer musically, but the ES120 is undeniably an impressive offering from Kawai.
The P-125 always had string resonance and key off samples. Check the manual on page 25: Tone Generation / Voice • Piano Sound: Pure CF Sound Engine • Piano Effect: Damper Resonance, Stereo Sustain Samples, Keyoff Samples, String Resonance • 24 Preset Voices • Polyphony: 192
@@Instrumental-Covers No it's doesn't. Check it if you don't believe. Leave the left hand down and check. The p125 don't have string resonance! This is a fact!. Dumped resonance witch is sample base it do have. But string resonance it's doesn't have. And also they added the key off samples. This is what every one on the blogs saying and I checked on the p125 for string resonance and there is not!. I don't care what the manual rates. Listen to the instrument please. Leave some keys down and play some key that resonance with the pressed keys. And listen to the resonance. And you see that I'm right. Btw. Also the modx8 and the montage doesn't have string resonance. And also the cp88 and ys88 doesn't have string resonance. Only the p515 have piano engine on Yamaha. Now the p125a also got piano engine.
The P125 is as loud as Kawai digital pianos in person. If you are basing your conclusion on the "10 watts vs 7 watts" spec, let me tell you it is a incredibly deceiving spec. Digital pianos pull only 1-2 watts at maximum volume from the amplifiers going to the speakers. Even if you manage to pull 14 watts per channel over the P-125 amplifiers (meaning, doubling the wattage at 28 watts total), you would only see an increase of 3 decibels in volume, which is irrelevant in real life.
thank you I will never buy an KAWAI oh my God the ES-920 also sounds terrible ( I tried it and sent it back immediately)... what the guys are doing there in their anechoic room?
Tone and touch preferences are a very personal and subjective matter of course. At the end of the day, the most important thing is to find an instrument that you connect with musically.
We are not a Korg dealer at this time, so we don't always have immediate access to relevant models for review. With that said, we do have an ever-growing list of models for reviews and comparisons, which includes several Korg models. :)
Merriam Music is not a Korg or Yamaha dealer, but they buy some Yamaha digital pianos for the reviews because they are much more popular than Korg and people like the comparisons with the brands Merriam do carry, such as Kawai, Roland, and Casio. They have Amazon affiliate links for some Yamaha models, even though they don't carry them directly. But honestly, Korg is better for workstations and arrangers.
@@illusionyx907 Korg has excellent sounds, including piano sounds. But, in my opinion, the LP-180 and B2, which are somehow comparable to the basic models from Yamaha and Kawai, are not as good.
We have received a few requests to cover Korg models in future comparisons. We have added these models to the list and will do our best to tackle them. :)
@@MerriamPianos thanks a lot! i am planning to buy one . Despite looking clearly promising and full of quality there is not much at all on youtube about the Korg cabinet series. Thanks for the prompt reply , looking forward to it . All the best!
Dont understand this es 120 .... for 200 euro more ,or even less, you can buy the es 520.... beside the 200 euro, give me a reason why anyone should favor the 120 over the 520
The price gap here in Canada is much more pronounced between the ES120 and ES520. The ES520 is very much a step up musically from the ES120. However, some customers may favour the ES120 because it is a bit more portable and streamlined. :)
@@MerriamPianos thanks for the reply, okay that can be a good reason for it. On the other hand when you're used to carry around a kawai mp11se..... than everything else is light and portable.... thanks for once again a good review! By the way I got my es520 as a third digital for 900 euro ....black friday.... the es 120 costs 790 euro overhere.
I’m looking for my first piano and I noticed the same thing. Here in Europe the price difference between those models is about 200 € like you said, or even just 100 € if you purchase a B-stock unit from Thomann (which is essentially a new product that has been returned by a customer within 30 days of buying it). For this reason, I’m gravitating towards the ES520.
According to the (online) manuals, when using the bass voice on the Kawai ES120, the keyboard split point between left-hand bass and right-hand piano is not movable. It is permanently stuck on C4. Well, that's more than enough bass keys, but not nearly enough piano keys. Normally, on my old Roland, I play with the movable split-point assigned to C3 which still gives me all the bass keys I need-and a whole octave of piano more than the Kawai ES120. Now, the Yamaha 125a does have a movable split point for its bass voice, but the instrument's primary piano voice just isn't as lush and complex as that of the ES120. That is my dilemma. If the Kawai ES120 had a movable split-point, I'd absolutely, positively, definitely, indubitably, no-doubt-about-it, go right out and buy the Kawai ES120. Sure do wish I could have my cake and eat it too. You do a great job with the reviews and comparisons, Stu. Very informative (and very nicely produced). Thanks.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks so much for tuning in! We're glad you have been enjoying our reviews and comparisons. :) It is difficult to find the 'perfect' piano that does exactly everything you want of course, but, at the end of the day, it is mainly about weighing the features and aspects that you value the most. The ES120 really is an amazing sounding piano, especially given its attractive price point.
Thanks for the suggestion! We will do our best to tackle it. The P225 is a bit of an interesting one in that it sits right between the ES120 and ES520 models in terms of price point.
It all comes down to a matter of preference of course, but the warmth and authenticity of the Kawai samples are quite satisfying to my ears as well. :)
We have received a number of requests for this review and it is on our to-do list. We will do our best to tackle that comparison as soon as possible. :)
I will be sure to pass on the compliment to Stu! He is an incredibly versatile player, so I imagine a little bit of Bach will find its way into one of these videos at some point. ;)
