You get the Iron Throne: everyone hates you, everyone tries to assassinate you, everyone tries to rebel and kill you, and you spend your remaining days dealing with all that nonsense. Overrated pointy chair indeed
Seriously, though, if you want to actually /stay/ in power, the Starks are a good shot. Their family line has been honored and in the same castle for over a thousand years. That's an insane dynasty, even in Thrones! They're constantly marrying in and out of other great houses, regardless of which family is on the throne (and Sansa was matched with Joffrey, the literal prince, even if that didn’t end well), and they are continiously shown to be well-regarded as advisors and loyal warriors for the crown. Even after they "fell", their very name held such regard and their power so great that literally everyone was scrambling to get a Stark on their side. They've got a strong lineage and a strong reach into politics that a lot of the rulers underestimate, but is vital to the safety of the realm, giving them longterm leverage many of the other families don't have. You might not get to be a flashy prince, but you and your children will live to be old and, even as the throne shifts hands over the centuries, you persist.
According to my mate Sylus; Daemon. Daemon, ultimately, got what he wanted. His line sat the Iron Throne [through Aegon III and Viserys II], and through the matrilineal line, had House Velaryon, and with what came after the Dance, Daemons legacy was far more in tact than Rhaenyra's or Aegon 2's.
I adore enemies to lovers tropes but my favorite and most underrated trope of lovers to enemies. There is just so much added depth and character development that they deal like real people and have to acknowledge there faults
Do not let George read this comment!!! He will write this book and another tv series and never write the final GoT book and fix the mistakes of season 8 😮
I read the book more than a year ago and biggest memory I have of it is this conversation between Allysanne and Cregan and I could not agree more, she indeed won the Dance…
Cregan stark arguably ended up saving the kingdom, got a wife, got rid of his excess northmen who repopulated the riverlands, and gave the watch a ton of highborn and capable men to bolster their ranks. Dude came out the dance all the better
@@jotfohm4644 the show was more dramatic, but a dragon is a WMD. She could have easily flown over and offed him instead of flying away in the night, as per the book.
@@FaeQueenCory She was never in King's Landing. I have read the book before, and have just reread the concerning chapter: She was to be on Driftmark, as expected, and she appeared on Dragonstone on the very first Black Council, with her husband the Sea Snake, pledging again their support.
In an odd way, both sides win and both sides lost. The Greens killed Rhaenyra and kept Jace, Luke, and Joffrey off the throne. However, no one from the Greens’ line continued the linage. All of Aegon II’s children died before producing a Green heir. The Blacks, while Rhaenyra died, got both Aegon III and later, Viserys on the Iron Throne.
My answer is that Cregan Stark won. He came down, installed the rightful king, chopped of traitors' heads and foot, nabbed the hottest baddie on the continent, and went home.
Arguably Raina Targaryen (Daemon's younger daughter). She was the last dragon rider, the eventual King's sister, and got to choose her own husband and marry the guy she fell in love with even though she way outranked him.
Let's see, extreme amount of wealth and power and the extreme paranoia and responsibility it comes with or become the spouse of an also incredibly rich and powerful but much less vulnerable person who's also nice and good looking... Yeah that's a no brainer
Fallacy of False Comparison.@@BurkeanMama There is no way any other work in the world can be compared to the scale of size of A Song Of Ice and Fire and the world George built for it. And you come here and compare small empty books to it? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nobody won. Everybody dies and the remnants of the two sides marry to seal the peace, so the whole thing was a waste of fucking time. The funny thing is, all the principal instigators are dead so it's just a bunch of people looking at each other and saying "wait, why were we fighting?"
Cregan Stark ruled for a short time in the south, putting everything to rights, and then went an lived a long, well loved, and well remembered life as Lord of the North. Dude had plenty of power and fewer backstabbing underlings and petty court games that way. Best of both worlds.
I mean, one of the overarching points of the ASoIaF stories is that those who pursue the iron throne, tend to lose themselves along the way. In so many words; No one who pursues the iron throne, "wins"
So... A man with Stark as his last name... Wolf of the North... In a fantasy where people want to take a sit on an overrated pointy chair somewhere in the south... That sounds utterly familiar. No disrespect for the author, I am pretty sure it was madr intentionally as a reference.
You do realize it’s a skit discussing Fire and Blood Dance of the Dragons, a book written by George RR Martin, right? I’m pretty damn sure he’s playing in his own universe. And since it’s his universe, shade isn’t an issue.
