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🐴 BOWNAGE INCARNATE! Fire Emblem Archetype Tier List 

Mekkah
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I rank all the horse bows, bow knights, horsemen, nomads, and so on in this tier list. Except Dayan apparently, he's like good for 2 maps, so let's pretend he's C/D tier.
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@ikefromsmashbros9237
@ikefromsmashbros9237 10 месяцев назад
We haven't gotten a villager tier list yet, have we?
@vigbjornblaskeeg5813
@vigbjornblaskeeg5813 10 месяцев назад
How long would that tier list be? Lol
@Zorafin
@Zorafin 10 месяцев назад
Not very? Not too many games have villagers. 2, 8, Awakening? You'd have to skip Three Houses though, unless you're just doing...what's his name, Cyril?
@krows-love
@krows-love 10 месяцев назад
We have had trainee and ests and that covers all of them iirc
@vigbjornblaskeeg5813
@vigbjornblaskeeg5813 10 месяцев назад
@@krows-love est is her own archetype and she got her video already. I don't think there are enough units that count and I'm sorry if anyone likes them but I also don't believe there are enough interesting things to say about them. At least donnel and mozu. You have to do a lot of work to make them good and sure they have aptitude but I mean you could just have a unit with naturally higher growths without using an ability slot at least they can pass it on to a child of your choosing and that's cool but idk if we're using any relevant standard by which we judge whether a unit is good or not, I'd say donnel>mozo but both near the bottom of the list.
@lightbrand_
@lightbrand_ 10 месяцев назад
@@vigbjornblaskeeg5813I’ve seen a lot more praise for mozu than donnel, she seems to have unique utility in her access to the archer class line whereas donnel is just kind of a good training project with an awful start in a game full of good training projects with much better starts
@aclashoffireandice4084
@aclashoffireandice4084 10 месяцев назад
Horsemen don't promote from Hunters in FE1, so the original Wolf and Sedgar aren't pre-promotes. Doesn't change anything for the list, but I felt it should be mentioned.
@valarmis
@valarmis 10 месяцев назад
they still technically are pre-promotes, the code defines Horsemen as a promoted Hunter and likewise a promoted class, but there's no item that promotes Hunters so they just can't promote despite having a promotion
@bfbbturambar2369
@bfbbturambar2369 10 месяцев назад
Good to have the archetype tier lists back, maybe we could see a promoted magic user tier list (Sage/Bishops)
@jesses.2037
@jesses.2037 10 месяцев назад
This. I was wondering about too since there's plenty of prepromote Sages/Bishops you get thoughout the series and I'm curious how Mekkah would tier them. Though I figure we already know Wendell is easily high tier.
@NotBoeDusky
@NotBoeDusky 10 месяцев назад
Mekkah would you be interested in ranking the promoted sages we get across all fire emblem? I think you would have a very interesting video on your hands!
@garrettjanssen7683
@garrettjanssen7683 10 месяцев назад
I think there’s an argument for including Echoes Bow Knights on this list even if they don’t start mounted. Just too damn good
@heartnet40
@heartnet40 10 месяцев назад
Someone going through Celica's campaign and not using Leon when he almost immediately can start sniping people from another country just sounds so...alien to me lol
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 10 месяцев назад
They're all on the archer tier list I'm pretty sure - and by all I mean Python and Leo, cause the villagers don't really count.
@hawkeye611
@hawkeye611 10 месяцев назад
I feel like it's worth mentioning with FE9 Astrid that in Maniac is indirectly made much stronger by the changes to forging rules. Steel forges are available at that point, and with one, she can peg the ravens in her join chapter with an effectively 28 Mt Bow, while also covering the lack of hit-rate. The bulkier, and more numerous enemies also make the prospect of feeding her kills much easier, and in my experience, she often ends up getting a level lead on the rest of the cast. This last part is diminished somewhat by most units reaching 20/20 by the late-game anyways due to just the sheer volume of promoted enemies. The bow rank also becomes more relevant as the Wyvern Lords in late-game aren't reasonably going to be taken out by a non-bow physical weapon in a single round.
@ThiefofRPGistheWanderingSoul
@ThiefofRPGistheWanderingSoul 10 месяцев назад
Rip to Dayan who wasn't even included on the list
@bobbafett5175
@bobbafett5175 10 месяцев назад
Mans forget Asaello too. Justice for Subs!
@dryzalizer
@dryzalizer 10 месяцев назад
*Dimna@@bobbafett5175
@dreadedprinny
@dreadedprinny 7 месяцев назад
@@bobbafett5175 Deimne.
@bobbafett5175
@bobbafett5175 7 месяцев назад
@@dreadedprinny Muirne is like my favorite FE4 character how did I fuck that up so bad?
@something1558
@something1558 10 месяцев назад
I'd love to hear you talk about things like this in a similar format
@Buzzy_Bland
@Buzzy_Bland 4 месяца назад
6:27 Pent doing Pent things.
@mutegamingstuff9120
@mutegamingstuff9120 10 месяцев назад
When this tierlist is remade in 3 years from now and includes berwick saga and TRS, Sherlock will be in S tier 🙂. Also I'm 99% certain the gameplay footage is raisins unless you also started using the darker setting for colors on emulation.
@evanmckeel5495
@evanmckeel5495 10 месяцев назад
I'm excited, this is my favorite class
@fuytaro
@fuytaro 9 месяцев назад
noticing a large lack of my boy Diemne (Lester's replacement)
@FereldenKrogan
@FereldenKrogan 9 месяцев назад
You should do a new version of the lists considering reclassed characters,and maybe the villagers too (not the avatars for obvious reasons tho).
@untendohd1377
@untendohd1377 10 месяцев назад
Why aren’t Deimne (Lester‘s replacement) and Dayan not on this list?
@aggroincarnate2763
@aggroincarnate2763 10 месяцев назад
I actually think FE1 Wolf is not that terrible as a combatant. His being as close as he is to Silver Bow access (1 Wlv) makes him improve. He oneshots Pegasus Knights with Steel Bow and Dracoknights with Silver Bow when he gets that 1 WLV (His growths are actually not that bad). That said, it's a 1RN game, and so reliability-wise things are just ever so slightly annoying when you're using 80 hit weapons. But I think not only is he better at least than the unpromoted bow chumps that join before him - I just don't think a bow investment project is worth all that much in War of Shadows Archanea, since a PP combatant that doesn't fly will not gain EXP that quickly anyways - he's generally present with his movement and his base stat advantages kind of lead him to oneround a few things - so being able to shoot things with 9 mov as vanilla utility is just decent, and Wolf just starts better than any unpromoted bow unit that joins before him. Even when he's not killing he can reach things to chip in a vanilla way, and doubles deceptive number enemies due to his base speed. I think someone like Jeorge is noticeably better but he's competent filler that is around, and Wolf is noticeably better than Sedgar. I think at least FE12 Wolf is better than RD Astrid (b/c a form of base utility that is combat exists in the form of Sniper Longbow chip for Nagi), while PoR Astrid is potentially A tier. I think Fogado is too high. We are missing Roberto and Beck in FE12, on top of Deimne.
@RaynmanPlays
@RaynmanPlays 10 месяцев назад
Cavalry archers in real life and most games: S++++++++++++ Cavalry archers in Fire Emblem: D, maybe C I wonder if the rating would change if cavalry archers/bow knights were able to canto after attacking.
@maltheopia
@maltheopia 10 месяцев назад
New idea for tier list: Backstabber tier list, consisting of units that start Blue (not Green, so no Arvis) but can end up as Red while you're controlling the army they're from. So, Julia, Marty, Black Knight, Jill, Siegfried, Z-man, etc.
@eliseart_piece4707
@eliseart_piece4707 10 месяцев назад
I always give Astrid axes on promotion in 9
@Arkholt2
@Arkholt2 10 месяцев назад
Can't believe Mekkah almost forgoto Fogado
@lagspike7763
@lagspike7763 10 месяцев назад
All these mfs get solo’d by Niles
@maxyaju4293
@maxyaju4293 10 месяцев назад
It doesn't matter because he is too busy to fight them due to having to carry all of Conquest
@greygale
@greygale 10 месяцев назад
In a fight, right? ...In a fight, right?? 😨
@Anarchist2
@Anarchist2 10 месяцев назад
In bed, right? ...in bed, right???
@lagspike7763
@lagspike7763 10 месяцев назад
Both
@LoudWaffle
@LoudWaffle 9 месяцев назад
Common Nohrian W
@lspuria8440
@lspuria8440 10 месяцев назад
Rise up Dimna fans
@ryanreyes3085
@ryanreyes3085 10 месяцев назад
Yessss one of my favorite classes!
@funtik3000gt
@funtik3000gt 10 месяцев назад
It's not Sedgar FE1 portrait, it's Tomas and Gaggles portrait. Also, while Sedgar is shit, Wolf from FE1 is actually pretty decent, his strength growth is highest from all of the archers and his endgame stats surpasses Jeorge's, while also having a higher movement. Robert, while starting with horrible weapon rank, still can be a powerhouse without much investment. Even with D-rank bows, he can double reliably, because his build is actually good and his starting stats, 3 FCM and growth rates are his strongest points. It's not that difficult to level him because of his low starting level and on levels 6-7 he will surpass all of your archers. When he hit's level 20 unpromoted, he will cap 2-3 stats and will be very close to cap strength so while he's starts a little slow, it's very easy to get him to respectable stats and he will be much better, than Selphina in a long run. Astrid POR is basically the same, but with paragon, but you rated her much higher, which confuses me a lot. Fogado is also a really mediocre unit. Also, what about Dayan, Deimne?
@Votris11
@Votris11 10 месяцев назад
You forgot Roberto (yeah for whatever reason they gave another Bow Knight the name Robert) for FE12. Though I probably isn't going to rank high either.
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 10 месяцев назад
I forgot a lot this time :( though Roberto is another case of a dude who can and probably should just reclass.
@YOMIsaac
@YOMIsaac 10 месяцев назад
More tier list to vibe to!
@LoudWaffle
@LoudWaffle 9 месяцев назад
I scoured these comments for evidence that anyone has ever used Hayden and has info to add to where he should be tiered… alas, nobody has.
@MasterJP28
@MasterJP28 10 месяцев назад
What about Beck and Robert in New Mystery?
@blackdragoncyrus
@blackdragoncyrus 10 месяцев назад
Poor Dayan.
@SharurFoF
@SharurFoF 10 месяцев назад
If you'd included Atlas in this tier list, he'd be S-tier b/c he bows 'em down.
@SirVyre
@SirVyre 10 месяцев назад
WTB Co-Host tier list. :P
@Noahs_Chair
@Noahs_Chair 10 месяцев назад
Some of the Engage prepromotes break the game. Proceds to name 2 unpromoted units.
@qtpie1144
@qtpie1144 10 месяцев назад
Yeah I think he saw Fogado on a horse and assumed him to be a prepromote.😂
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 10 месяцев назад
He's basically a prepromote lol but fair
@Ald3r_
@Ald3r_ 7 месяцев назад
No Dayan?
@Safetyman64
@Safetyman64 10 месяцев назад
Good one bro
@Schmiduku
@Schmiduku 10 месяцев назад
“I’ll bow ‘em down”
@eliasfefchak4646
@eliasfefchak4646 10 месяцев назад
Horse Friday moment
@roes92
@roes92 10 месяцев назад
No TRS? Lionheart is kinda decent tbh
@aggroincarnate2763
@aggroincarnate2763 10 месяцев назад
Lionheart is not bad but I find him kinda frustratingly mid. His base weapon level of 10 is such an elusive number since it locks him out of many interesting swords and bows at base. I find this particularly a big deal b/c swords and bows get a lot of tools at higher weapon levels that really distinguish them from a lot of the mediocre ones at lower weapon levels, but his base weapon level does not give him access to many of those interesting tools within the weapon types. For a mounted unit that will never get Pilum access, and prepromote that gains levels to self-improve slower, this is rather disappointing. And you notice you just have a lot better mounted units than him in stats or utility, whether it be a growth project or the better mounted prepromotes. He is decent filler, but I struggle to register him as anything more than that. Meanwhile Shirou... Kaga's mounted bowmen in his later titles are generally better.
@AMH9000
@AMH9000 10 месяцев назад
Sherlock my beloved
@MugApwool
@MugApwool 10 месяцев назад
*NO! ENOUGH WOLF, ENOUGH SEDGAR!!! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!*
@GhostWalkr
@GhostWalkr 10 месяцев назад
Rip Heath
@RDA000
@RDA000 10 месяцев назад
Im probably the only person who always uses astrid in RD. I see her as a free unit since shes faster to grind than the other crimean knights.
@zeoxyman
@zeoxyman 10 месяцев назад
Everyone here calling out Deimne but I'm just sad for my boi Lyam. How could you do this to us TLP fans? (jk)
@cody1o3
@cody1o3 10 месяцев назад
Dude Sin 100% deserves an S rank, pairing him wiith Fir turns him into an avoid god. He and her would dodge tank entire maps lol
@Ashley-dp1hy
@Ashley-dp1hy 10 месяцев назад
Could be a fun idea to do a map archetype tier list, i.e. ranking all the defend maps in the series and looking at what does and doesn't work in them, would be an interesting discussion on map design and a look at how certain ideas have evolved with the series.
@aprinnyonbreak1290
@aprinnyonbreak1290 10 месяцев назад
Boat map = GOAT map, but which boat needs to sink
@bobbafett5175
@bobbafett5175 10 месяцев назад
Only problem is that map design is a bit more subjective than Unit viability.
@aprinnyonbreak1290
@aprinnyonbreak1290 10 месяцев назад
@@bobbafett5175 I mean You can subjectively think Hunting by Daybreak is a good map, but you'd be objectively wrong
@bobbafett5175
@bobbafett5175 10 месяцев назад
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 On maddening, sure, but on the lower difficulties it's probably one of the only half decent maps in the game, and it's a pretty good story moment on first playthroughs.
@jerbear8884
@jerbear8884 10 месяцев назад
Fogado is such a fun unit cuz hes way better as a warrior than a mount since his base strength goes from 12 to 19 and his speed staying roughly the same But even in his personal class, Cupido, its still really good cuz he does have some magic growth so he can probably make the best use of a Shining Bow. And because Cupido gets swords he can also use the Levin Sword, which i did use for the DLC
@aleisterleopold6229
@aleisterleopold6229 10 месяцев назад
I have an idea of an archtype that you can do. Strong Mid-game Sages I'm talking people like Ced, Pent, Salah, Pandreo, Callil There is a surprisingly often occurrence throughout the series and the are generally pretty good.
@ohandthefracking
@ohandthefracking 3 месяца назад
Boah defo the worst out of all of them unfortunately (or Bastian)
@Lukaliber
@Lukaliber 10 месяцев назад
Where's Dimna gone? Man gets +5 Str in Ch.6 making him better than Lana-favoured Lesters
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 10 месяцев назад
true although mana is worse than all lanas (i forgor)
@papita69xxx
@papita69xxx 10 месяцев назад
I'd argue he's worse than Azelle!Lester. They both get only pursuit but Azelle!Lester at least gets a nice speed growth making him deal more damage overall by virtue of doubling more often.
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 10 месяцев назад
@@papita69xxx Dimna's speed growth is a pretty terrible 20% but his base of 9 is enough to get the common slow enemies. I think Dimna's +7 str is more significant.
@AMH9000
@AMH9000 10 месяцев назад
Dimna gameing
@mysmallnoman
@mysmallnoman 10 месяцев назад
Lester can inherit items and actually has good growths lol
@scottk5946
@scottk5946 10 месяцев назад
Love the Golden Sun music you put in the background!
@Silith13
@Silith13 10 месяцев назад
Deimne....
@CaptainStraya
@CaptainStraya 10 месяцев назад
The dragons in fe9 lategame have stats so insane that you pretty much need effective damage to fight them, and the laguz bow allows Astrid to fill in there. Obviously there are better units that can use the laguz axe, but there isn’t much competition for the laguz bow.
@SharurFoF
@SharurFoF 10 месяцев назад
Instead of giving Astrid kills in 2-3, I recommend undeploying her.
@tricky2795
@tricky2795 10 месяцев назад
Does Fogado pass the Lapis test? Fogado 17/1 Wyvern 37 hp 16 str 7 mag 16 dex 20 spd 12 def 13 res 9 luck 8 Bld Lapis 10/8 Wyvern 36 hp 18 str 4 mag 16 dex 19 spd 14 def 11 res 10 luck 6 Bld +1 hp, +3 mag, +1 spd, +2 res, +2 bld and -2 str, -2 def, -1 luck, I would say he does, the dude is fast.
@Gogglesunderscore
@Gogglesunderscore 10 месяцев назад
iirc you wanted to do a gold recruitment tier list, like hugh and beowulf
@salem1451
@salem1451 10 месяцев назад
WHERE IS DIMNA?!
@AllBeganwithBBS
@AllBeganwithBBS 10 месяцев назад
Wait Gerik doesn't start on a horse with bow access? :O
@aggroincarnate2763
@aggroincarnate2763 10 месяцев назад
SMH That green-haired FE1 portrait belongs to Gordin/Tomas not Sedgar
@MegaphoneFranke
@MegaphoneFranke 10 месяцев назад
I truly adore the usage of Golden Sun music for these videos =).
@lightbrand_
@lightbrand_ 10 месяцев назад
Whoa it’s been a while
@GoonCommander
@GoonCommander 10 месяцев назад
Selphina would have much better unit feel if Accost procs at the end of combat and I don't think that would hurt dagdar all that much.
@jrRabet
@jrRabet 9 месяцев назад
Shame. I'd like to hear your thoughts on ranger neimi and geric.
@lowtier6565
@lowtier6565 9 месяцев назад
Fogato makes good use of Radiant Bow.
@KintarosFE
@KintarosFE 10 месяцев назад
Question: Where would you put Roberto from the Archanea games at? :0
@leargamma4912
@leargamma4912 10 месяцев назад
Robby is stupid fun as a swordmaster but that's me
@marcoantonioserrano5844
@marcoantonioserrano5844 10 месяцев назад
Mekkah da 🐐fr no 🧢
@monopolyrubix1875
@monopolyrubix1875 10 месяцев назад
Golden Sun music hype
@yaboiskittlez7943
@yaboiskittlez7943 9 месяцев назад
What about balistae tier list?
@cooperm4185
@cooperm4185 10 месяцев назад
You forgot Dayan
@vincente6779
@vincente6779 10 месяцев назад
WHERES DEINME MEKKAH
@brunaolinto560
@brunaolinto560 10 месяцев назад
No Yukimura gaming 😢 Fogado getting A tier 😊 On a longer note, glad to see the archetypes back! They’re kinda fun, even if arbritary lol
@illialidur8244
@illialidur8244 10 месяцев назад
I successfully recruited the Woldguard on Reverse Lunatic. Possibly harder than Xavier, ngl.
@davidmejia5740
@davidmejia5740 10 месяцев назад
Another potential problem with Creature campaign supports is that with how supports are limited to 5 convos/levels per character in a run, that's 3/5 levels of supports you would have to hypothetically deny yourself for the entire main story to get bonuses off the mediocre trophy units.
@Bellicosy
@Bellicosy 10 месяцев назад
That has to be Raisins' gameplay, I can tell by the colour.
@Profecy02
@Profecy02 10 месяцев назад
Crackin' open a cold one. Getting comfy for what has to be at least 20 minutes just on Wolf and Sedgar
@greatdane7252
@greatdane7252 10 месяцев назад
I think the FE6 Nomads are being pretty underrated. I’m not gonna get into the Sacae or not to Sacae argument, but just based on their actual performance you don’t find as many reliable mounted combatants as Sue and Sin. Sin in particular is pretty cracked and can go toe-to-toe with the top tiers of FE6, so I feel A tier is actually a pretty big disservice to him.
@mysmallnoman
@mysmallnoman 10 месяцев назад
He put shin in A tier and Sue in C tier, which is actually pretty reasonable position
@greatdane7252
@greatdane7252 10 месяцев назад
@@mysmallnoman I'm aware, I'm saying that that's actually pretty low for the capabilities they usually perform. If you think Mekkah's rankings are fair then good for you, but I still think A and C are too low for the both of them.
@mysmallnoman
@mysmallnoman 10 месяцев назад
@@greatdane7252 no lol Shin is a good unit tho putting him in S is dumb because that implies he's busted, which he isn't, there's still so many units who are better than him in the game Sue is good but lvl 1 nomad with 5 str base and 30% str sucks, she needs tons of work, C tier is perfect for her
@greatdane7252
@greatdane7252 10 месяцев назад
@@mysmallnoman Sin is absolutely busted, dodge tanks are the most reliable combatants in FE6 Endgame and Sin is a prime dodge tank, on top of the anti-flier niche that Snipers and Warriors have. His bases are immediately reliable enough to mostly be RNG proof, but on average he'll actually be way ahead of the general statistical curve of other FE6 units in the most important areas (Strength, Speed and HP). Not to mention he has the same extra high aid and movement that the Pegasus Knights have minus the flier utility. His biggest weakness is his low Sword rank upon promotion, which means he likely won't be able to use Killing Edges until either late Sacae or Bern, his initial rank of D bows is also less than desirable but he still slaughters a majority of enemies with the Iron and Steel Bows until C. This all comes in Chapter 9, which is perfect for the upcoming hectic village chapter and from that point on he's by far the best Bow user in the game, bar none. Even once Melady and Perceval roll in he's still an important contributor to the army, as he's a much more reliable Player Phase combatant than either of them thanks to his better accuracy. This all screams S tier worthy. As for Sue, I think you're overstating the issue, even at base the Killer Bow makes her one of the most reliable early game combatants and her speed makes her practically undoubleable so she usually avoids 2HKOs with proper positioning. She's especially good for killing the Wyverns in Chapter 7. If the RNG isn't in her favor then she can safely be benched after Sin joins, but until then she's one of the best growth units in the earlygame, probably even more so than Alan and Lance, and if the RNG is in her favor then she will be a mini Sin, which is actually pretty desirable if you really think about it.
@mysmallnoman
@mysmallnoman 10 месяцев назад
@@greatdane7252 >dodge tank That's all i need to hear
@redictor
@redictor 10 месяцев назад
which playlist exactly was the radiant dawn ironman you used astrid in? the latest ignorant dawn?
@dryzalizer
@dryzalizer 10 месяцев назад
I will not stand for this Dimna erasure (at least you caught Dayan).
@runaway74
@runaway74 10 месяцев назад
I missed the tier lists a lot
@jacksonportnoff841
@jacksonportnoff841 10 месяцев назад
FE1 Wolf is actually pretty good. 9 Move is insane, and with investment, he should surpass Jeorge in Strength pretty easily. Being a Bow unit is also a massive boon in FE1 due to early access to Partia, which grants Wolf massive EXP gains and excellent combat. There's a reason Tomas is used in LTC strats, Partia's just that good. Ranking under Selphina and Lester seems criminal.
@mysmallnoman
@mysmallnoman 10 месяцев назад
1) being a bow unit in FE1 sucks because it's a EP game and bows suck 2) Parthia doesn't give you bonus xp in FE1, only 3 and even then it only has 17 uses lol 3) many bad units are used in LTC and speedruns strats all the time lol, that doesn't make them suddenly good units
@froggychair9258
@froggychair9258 10 месяцев назад
Sacae isn't so bad when you use save states :)
@mysmallnoman
@mysmallnoman 10 месяцев назад
I'd put lester and midayle in the same tier since lester has good bases/growths and can inherit great bows and orko enemies at base Otherwise, a great tier list
@papita69xxx
@papita69xxx 10 месяцев назад
I think Selphina's charge has hindered me more than it has helped me in the times i played thracia but maybe that's a skill issue more than a character issue. I also used Fogado as his base class when i played this game on lunatic. While his damage output with the shining bow was fine for a while in later chapters he was falling behind. The only enemies i remember one rounding consistently by the end were wyverns. So maybe warrior is the way to go
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