Not through watching, but the father was shot many times, (I think 11 times, even though that sounds absurd), fled the burning house, SWAM A CREEK and made it to the neighbor's house and was awake to tell name the shooter. That man is an incredible hero.
I still wonder how he knew his boys were dead. I saw him in another interview where he said the neighbor asked about his family. He said that he told the neighbor they were all dead. It's the only other interview I've seen. I guess it's possible he's said before that he checked. Or with the fire he assumed. Sad case anyway. Scary girl. I can just imagine her in jail. Yikes.
@@rablanchard981 He knew because the house was on fire and he heard the shots. I don't know but he knew. Yeah, scary. It seemed like she wasn't even thinking in terms of life insurance she was just murderous.
The bit that surprises me, is not that there is one behaviourally disordered girl going to a local school but the fact that she is able to find three more, willing to join in, is REALLY disturbing.
Think of Charles Manson. It can be easier than you'd think to have people do your dirty work. There was also a case of 3 young girls who killed another girl. One was essentially the "ring leader".
When I am in an argument and cry, I absolutely hate it, because people think it's because I'm afraid or sad, when in reality I'm so, so mad that I need to vent it, and it comes out as tears... When I heard Greg saying women cry when frustrated, I just about blew a kiss to him!!! 😁
I love listening to this. Nobody interrupts. Everyone listens intently so the viewer can hear a complete thought. You can even tell when another person has something to say but they wait and listen. It’s how all humans should listen and respond.
I just wanted to say another big "Thank you, Gentlemen" for starting this channel. It is obvious you guys are world class experts and I am sure have very busy schedules. Everytime that I watch your videos I feel so lucky to get some insight into your world of reading body language. I'm always amazed at how each of you read the subjects so quickly and with such thoroughness because I usually only catch a few, if any, of the body language cues that you do. Thank you for taking the time to teach us who are interested in reading and understanding other people beyond just words. 😊
Saw the other national TV interview with Erin, when asked if she feels sorry, she talks about how she had everything before the killing, boyfriend, job, etc, and how she misses that, and basically feels sorry for herself. Not once does she feel bad about her family being killed. When asked what she would do when she does her time and gets out, she says she has talked with her dad and they have agreed that first thing she would do is visit her family's graves. When asked what she would feel when she visits those graves, she says her dad when he first visited the graves couldn't speak and she thinks she might be like that. Basically she feels nothing for the family she killed; but she borrows the emotional affect of the normal people around her like her dad, to hide that she lacks feelings and is capable of the most extreme violence to give her the slightest perceived benefit in her life.
I love Greg's comment, "Her blink rate was yesterday." All of you had such great input! Erin Caffey is scary! In fact, it's scary to think that people like her and Chris Watts roam among us.
I've noticed a couple of people lately in political interviews who just don't blink, except as an extremely occasional punctuation mark, the same way she does. It's deeply unsettling. Does it generally indicate psychopathy, or are are there also some types of training (intel orgs or such) to control that in order to try to not "give themselves away," or medications that block the reflex, etc?
Her eyes became larger & black... like no soul existed... when Dr. Phil asked her "did you do it!?... in the last clip... creepy! That smile she tried to hide... after she paused in thought about Dr. Phil's question..."you wanted them dead, didn't you"... again...spine chilling! Great video, awesome job Behavioral Panel!🦋
Respectfully, as a southern female, I would point out that “yes sir.“ Is not always a tell. For some southern people, especially women. It is an automatic thing
it’s not exactly the phrase they are saying is relevant, but the softer almost appeasing tone of voice in order to make herself seem like an innocent girl. She specifically uses this cadence and tonality to manipulate because it’s what has worked for her in the past to convince people she’s normal. This is common in psychopaths because they dont actually react in real time like a normal person, they almost use rehearsed lines and get in character like an actor.
Antipsychotic medications can also make someone have a delayed reaction. I experienced this personally on Lithium. I agree that southerners have it instilled in them to automatically say yes sir and yes ma'am.
That look reminded me of the quote from Jaws- Quint: The thing about a shark, it's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When it comes at you it doesn't seem to be livin'...
My favorite channel. Before I found this, I watched interesting body language videos from other sources but those presenters have no qualifications/training. If they did, they would said so. I understand now that you can't become a body language expert just by reading about it. I remember one video by a guy who absolutely slammed the McCanns. He thought both parents were guilty and commented on how cold the dad was. When the Behavior Panel analayzed the McCanns, they didn't find signs of deception. I thought it was so interesting that one of them commented that Gerry McCann is a heart surgeon (discussing his baseline). He's not cold--he had spent years having to talk about health emergencies and deaths with patients in a calm, professional manner.
At the advice of a friend who, like me, has autism, I have been studying body language by watching youtube videos like these and others as well. Your videos have been an asset to my learning as I want to build a social life by socialising with other people. Learning body language will be an asset to that effect as I need to recognise cues as to when someone is interested or not interested, comfortable or uncomfortable, whether they want to socialise or be left alone and so on. I am therefore honoured to be a part of the panellists among your subscribers. Thank you for your work and thank you for having me.
So basically, psychopaths know the LYRICS, but they can't hum the TUNE. The right words are there, but their timing, rhythm and pitch are off. They can't hear if they're flat or sharp - they're tone deaf. You can't correct what you can't HEAR. Not only do all the musical elements have to be there- they have to be perfectly in sync for the song to be coherent and moving. Psychopaths can memorize the words, but they can't get the nonverbal quite right- and even if they could, they can't sync all of it up.
@@pimlico3225 Susan's analogy here is great. To answer your question based on this analogy: Erin Caffey thinks she is doing just that; she's acting in a manner that she thinks is normal, and in any usual conversation with a friend or neighbour it might pass as normal, but she's discussing the murder of her family and she fails to realise that this is in no way a normal situation or conversation to be having, and doesn't know that the "tricks" she's used all her life to get by in social situations won't work for this. She probably doesn't even realise she's looking or acting abnormally for the situation. Zero empathy. Going back to Susan's analogy: Erin's turned up to a death metal concert with a harmonica and trumpet and some sheet music from the 1920s.
Im active duty army, and I teach insider threat to deploying soldiers. It's all about the domains of threat detection and behavior. I just recently found your videos. Fantastic stuff. Ive found a few things I can use in the class. Keep up the great work.
@@inTruthbyGrace I like them all. I mostly like how they make sure they acknowledge each contribution made by each other. Their perspective is that they are talking to us not each other ( since obviously they all know the content equally well) but the synergy among them is what keeps me coming back.
The information they provide is gold. I so wish when each opinion is being explained, add a split screen of her talking on mute so we can see her body language as Its described.
I am not a fan of Dr. Phil’s talk show-I think it does a disservice to real therapy and can do harm to the genuinely troubled people it involves. BUT, seeing the panelists highlight his interviewing techniques does give me a new appreciation for his skills. The entertainment/live audience format (IMO) encourages questionably “therapeutic” (and sometimes questionably ethical) interventions. This sort of work seems a more valuable use of his expertise.
I totally agree!!! I think he should do much more of these interviews with killers in prison, than all the family drama episodes. The forensic psychology and his interviewing techniques are more well-suited here. I would watch almost every day, if he switched to only this.
But Dr Phil does not claim to be doing therapy on his show. It's a talk show people go onto willingly. But he does offer to refer people to therapy. Don't believe the rumors, he IS a real doctor, he just isn't a psychiatrist. He is highly educated and skilled and trained. He has endless connections and resources that he worked hard to aquire. But he's also an entertainer. There's only so much he can do, especially in the small time frame of an episode. I'm sure there's a lot they can't show, that has to be cut. There are things I don't like about Phil, but I find him very impressive. He always surprises me with his skills and knowledge.
I would be interested in seeing your assessment of someone who was initially found guilty, and later unequivocally exonerated. How did people end up believing that an innocent person was guilty?
there is a long history of innocent people confessing to murders they didn't commit and yet were incarcerated for...which segues into your comment...I too would love to see their assessment of some of those folks as well...
C.G you’ve posed a very interesting question. My neighbour for instance speaks to his children (aged 8-10) like dogs, where are you effing going with that, get out of the effing pool, one day i heard his wife say to the young boy “I cant believe you just effing spoke to your sister like that) The man hit his head on the eaves one day and you’d think he got hit by a meteor for goodness sake, the loud yelling, cursing, swearing, and i have found myself wondering if this is the man we never suspected could take the life of a family member. he strikes me as underlying “insane” Just how many people are borderline psychopathic, every day ordinary people. We are just about all powder kegs waiting to be lit.
Usually, evidence convicts most people. Unfortunately the true rule is guilty until proven innocent and one or two pieces of evidence is enough to convince most people.
Most people know but incase you don’t, there is a woman on TikTok who recently went viral after posting a video about meeting Erin Caffey. The woman volunteered at the prison as a mentor-type figure for the inmates. Erin was new to the prison at the time and the woman was assigned to meet with her. She did not know what crime Erin had committed (she never looked up the crimes of the inmates she mentored). Erin seemed quiet, sweet, and in no way came off like a violent person. Erin started talking about her version of what happened that night and convinced the woman she was a victim. She whole-heartedly believed Erin was innocent and wrongfully convicted…until Erin gave her one single look. The woman describes it as “looking into the face of Evil”. 45:14 is the look I imagine she was talking about. She said she felt as though something evil followed her out of the prison that day that still haunts her today.
@@AAAMANDA BIG CHILLS! ☠️ This reminds me of a family friend’s ex. He is the personification of evil but super charismatic and friendly. He lied to her about his incarceration. He always maintained that he was wrongly accused. The one thing that never sat with her was that his mother never wrote him, let alone visit him when he was in prison-she was a psychologist. So this young woman mustered the courage to pull the court records and saw the WHOLE TRUTH. When she confronted him, he almost beat her to a pulp, although he had never shown anger, much less any signs of being a violent person. She ultimately left him, but she’s always looking behind her and around her because she’s afraid he’ll come around and eventually “unalive” her. 😢
Did anyone else find it really weird that the metaphor she used was that she might have 'put a little fuel on the fire'... Considering they burnt the house down after?!
Please. Keep doing what you do exactly as you do it. Don't follow a fad ever. Those of us who are learning aren't into fads. Chew your gum, pull out that DSM5 and give it to us as you see it. Mark keep giving us the human emotion angle. You guys are a perfect fit.
I grew up in a violent alcoholic abusive home but not once did I ever have a conversation with anyone about killing them. I considered killing myself but not them. She is definitely not normal.
Same here, terrible beating so often my high school counselor bought me a bus ticket out of state before they could kill me, I never thought about hurting either of them.
I got Mark's "truth and lies" today and i was disappointed that it isnt narrated by him cause man, that would've been a heavenly listen! Can you imagine Mark reading a whole book in his voice and accent? 🤩🤩
They all add flair I feel... a bit like the seinfeld characters lol... it wouldn't be quite the same without their four-sight! 🙃 Tho chase makes for easy learning... Greg too!! Then my next 2 favourites... come in at third 😊 not for any other reason than my particular manner of comprehension, I guess. I often take notes while watching too.. Chases brainwash yourself video is a bloody ripper I think ☺
I know that Greg has made this point numerous times, but each person brings their own special spin to what they are seeing. I am interesting in everyone's take on the person's behaviors. This is such a good balanced group. I am so glad that I found this channel.
Damn! When she said "I probably added fuel to the fire" I got chills! I think THAT'S what the grin shortly after was all about! She made a "funny" about helping burn the house down and was absolutely giddy with her own wit! Did anyone else interpret that the way I did? 😳
I went to school with Charlie and Bobby. They were both younger than me and seemed like nice normal kids. I also knew Erin she worked with me for a month or so at a local restaurant. She was very quiet. She had only been in public school for one year. She had homeschooling by her parents her whole life. I wish I remembered more about her. She was very quiet, polite and reserved. This truly shocked our community. Also my husband knew Charlie Wilkinson well and that he was a nice normal guy.
I love Scott's stories, like the one at the end! I'd happily watch videos of the guys telling stories to each other and seeing their reactions to each other, the way you all get along is just as entertaining as the behavioural analysis! I also remember another time where Mark was explaining about why we're extra protective of joints like the elbow/wrist etc, and Chase described how Mark taught him about that concept by explaining it to him in person, then as Chase was considering the merits of the theory, Mark grabbed his elbow, and that Chase's reaction was "visceral"! More stories like these, and when you banter with each other are always very welcome. Thank you so much for all the content and education.
When the boyfriend said he was going to kill her parents, she said "how?". Greg said he would have said "WHY" I would have said "WHAT?" as in WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?!!" That statement would have been the end to this story.
I know that cracked me up.. But it actually makes sense, coming from an investigator. "Normal" people would say What?! But these guys brains are deeply hard wired to get information. In reality, if someone said that to him , I think he'd actually say "WHAT?! WHY?!" at once. But I don't know
Why to determine Is that a real threat or manner of speaking. What may not get the response. At any rate how are you planning wouldn't enter the conversation.
I am stuck at home because I recently dislocated and fractured my shoulder so I have been binge watching older videos from The Behavior Panel and it is proving to be wonderful, not least of all because each one delivers a true burst of laughter moment which I welcome so much right now. That little bit of humour in the midst of these tragic stories is much needed. Scott really cracked me up with the roller coaster story at the end 🤣🤣🤣
She creeps me out, so young and so cold. Another great analysis…when chase said he had to turn the lights on 😂 and greg I think about her smile being creepy. You’re all awesome, still can believe you do this for us all when you’re all so busy and important, you still make time for us. Means a lot.
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Came from a woman's tiktok where she was talking about working with and meeting Erin in prison. Wow am I glad I did! This is so interesting. I have a new thing to watch while nursing my son to sleep in the recliner every night. Thanks, guys!
In a review published in the Journal of Neurochemistry published in 2016 it was reported that “slight but persistent perturbations in synapse physiology can result in major defects that may manifest as brain disorders.” Scott, Chase and Mark all commented that Erin Caffey exhibited signs of some kind of synaptic delay, the very slow blink, a lack of understanding of questions, reduced intellect and a general impression that there was some sort of disconnect. So my question is, is it right to describe Erin Caffey as “a monster” if her behaviour may be the result of a brain disorder? Do the panel know if Erin Caffey had a psychiatric assessment? Also, does the panel think the fact that females very rarely kill their family has a bearing on how we regard murders committed by women. Do we hold women to a higher standard than men where violent crime is concerned? As always another fascinating analysis. Thank you.
Great episode...had to watch it again. The part where she has that restrained smile when Dr. Phil asks about her wanting them killed, is just frightening
so basically, she is focusing SO hard on appearing 'normal', by her tone, her words, that she's completely forgotten that this is not the context to act 'normally'.
It’s not exactly forgetting. I had a rather violent childhood, mixed with some severe times of scarcity. But luckily (?) I always had the highest IQ and aptitude test scores. So, I was able to earn an education. So one day in high school, the psychiatrist social worker explained to me that I flattened affect (from what they call childhood PTSD.I don’t feel sorry for myself, it’s just what they call it). And this naturally makes some people uneasy. So: I guess some survivors of abuse are similar to sociopaths in that, they don’t pick up all the traits from The Herd that others do. One weird example: I kind of taught myself to say “ow” if I bumped into something, or someone hit me. Even though my tolerance for pain was through the roof. People would freak out that I didn’t have the right reactions to pain, so I slowly, over years, learned to mimic them. So, for someone this young, her personality could be a house of cards on a windy beach…. For starters: one of everyone’s main personalities is the one you use with your parents. That’s probably the most important one😹 I do wanna put it out there that not all of us “sociopaths”? Or maybe just “people with flattened affect “ are evil narcissists. I’ve always believed in The Sermon on the Mound, Never lie, never steal, defend the week, care for the elderly… But if I have ANYtHiNG in common with that girl: she’s probably so busy analyzing his communications, in ways that are totally irrelevant to what he is saying, that she doesn’t have time to “act right”. Normal people develop a Short-Hand type of communication, and things just flow, Largely non-verbally. Crazy people over analyze (or ignore) every word like it’s a new language they are hearing. People bond with me, almost uncomfortably fast in person. (Forgot to mention: I’m overly empathic, so that’s what separates people like me from psychopaths). But I constantly lose friends in texts , posts and comments sections. The same jokes that get me invited to every dinner party, they get me blocked and banned online🎭. Something doesn’t translate. The harder I push the worse it gets. It’s amazing that this girl can talk about her parents so freely. I think a normal person would crack a little, somehow, every time they said the word “parents”. I always hated my parents. I always prayed for God to either kill me or them. But I think I’d still look upset talking about there gruesome murders. If not upset that they were gone, specifically, you’ve gotta have some strong emotions about unresolved anger, the knowLedge that there will never be closure, and just the meaningless tragedy of life
Hi @@peterwelsh1932 At the risk of sounding trite it's worth mentioning that all of us are "abnormal" to some degree or another, just some of us just have the mixed blessing of knowing how. That leaves us at risk of fixating on negatives and being unkind when judging ourself but also typically results in us being far more tolerant of other people's "flaws". I mention that because while I'm at peace with the ignorant confusing 'people with flattened affect' as "sociopathic" (and narcissistic people as "evil",) it breaks my heart to think you might still see yourself in that light, or imagine others should, especially if you're overly empathic (as many of us who suffered repeated childhood traumas are). Unless you're unable to express your empathy in a healthy way that element of your personality will always shine through, regardless of how "flattened" your affect is, and people worth associating with will always respond positively to that. As to your issues online, one trick that should help there is to form a habit of writing drafts, as often times we see what others might react negatively to only after reviewing what we've written (some time afterward [edit: like now...]), not while we're actually writing it. It takes far more practice than many realise to translate our inner thoughts, on the fly, into writing that others find palatable. Again, there's no value in beating yourself up when you get it wrong (which is what "pushing harder" comes across as to me), or in thinking "something doesn't translate" means you can't find a way to change that. As any sociopath can tell you my friend, there's more than one way to skin a cat... ;)
How many psychopaths can be in the same town of the same age willing to kill a friends family ? And how many willing people were rejected from participating ? I would like to believe this is a rare collection of killers. Are these people everywhere ?
@@cpcattin Wow, yeah. Good point. It looks like there are cases where as a group, some people will do extreme stuff that, on their own, they probably wouldn't or couldn't.
The moment Dr Phil says ‘…you emphatically insisted that your family be killed…’ that moment she shakes her head, then looks up, was my first sign that she’s psycho! Scary, chilling stuff
It's ADOLESCENTS who display this kind of meanness and willingness to be cruel, to hurt, or even to kill. Many adolescents have a lot of behavior that lies on the "cruelty/dangerous/harmful" spectrum. That's why they bully weaker kids, or drop kittens out of the hole in the floorboard of a speeding car, or make good soldiers. It's also why teenagers are bad parents. As the brain matures, it develops more capability for compassion, sympathy, moral clearness.
@@ileolai For sure. In fact, even MORE adults than teens kill people, but not just for the sake of simple meanness. Adults kill more often in part because their testosterone levels are higher, and because they have learned that using force and violence is a successful strategy.
What fascinates me is that people like Jodie Arias or the Iceman aren't psychopaths when they come across like they are, while this girl, who comes across like any old self-involved teenager, is a basically a walking example of the dark triad. Psychopathy really is misrpresented in pop culture and we end up looking for all the wrong signs
I spent 3 years in prison. I had women tell me their stories. One went to prison at 16 after killing her grandmother. Her home life wasn't good, so her grandmother took her in. She wanted to go out with her friends one night and her grandmother told her no. She went into the kitchen, grabbed a knife and stabbed her grandmother 17 times. She was sentenced to life in prison. Now, I don't know what makes young people snap like this, but it happens more than anyone ever thinks. How any child could not only have, or attempt to have, their parent/parents murdered is completely beyond my comprehension. In this case, it boggles my mind how she could agree to murder her siblings as well. It hurts my heart to hear these things.
When I was working as a behaviour clinician in a major psychiatric institution I met a woman like this, who was detained for killing her family & the hairs on the back of my neck stood up at certain times in our sessions. This young woman reminds me of my client 👀
Timestamp Guide 2:02 Background of case 3:03 Clip One Things the B.P. covers: Matching behavior, question vs command, using "and" instead of "but", facts about psychopaths, baseline, changes of tone & volume output, pupil dilation specific to psychopaths, bracing, eye lock (creeper), front of mouth talking vs back of mouth, looking for cracks in the facade, blink rate or lack there of, & draw in of breath. 13:59 Clip Two The B.P. discuss: Front of mouth talking, eye blocks & eye locks, 'word coughing', use of language, cognitive empathy, being more structural than relational, imitation, & robotic movement. 16:57 Chases 'Using past perfect' tip 18:04 Hallmark of Psychopathy One & Two: Absence of affect & Eye shifting 22:10 What a psychopath is 25:18 Clip Three The B.P. discuss: Transfer of emotions, excitement vs anger, hand adapting, shift of cadance when going into story telling mode, eye drawing, distaste, using 'before I knew it' to hide time, verbal bridging, elevated animation, lack of remorse/guilt, & inhibitor of emotions. 32:50 Hallmark: Lack of remorse or guilt 34:02 Clip Four Things to take note of: Lack of shame, word salad, blame sharing, lengthening of time by putting weight behind the words she's saying, indicator of cooperation & compliance through the use of present/past tense, lack of emotional affect & lack of empathy. 36:14 Greg explains what subject & object means 40:55 Scotts Mind Virus: Fake accusation of contradiction tactic 43:15 Hallmark: Shallow Affect 43:52 Scotts book recommendation Without Conscience by Robert Hare. 45:01 Clip Five The B.P. discuss: A crack in the facade possibly holding back a smile or show of anger, a contained ball of anger, using power by proxy, regression, an attempt to appear innocent, & that there was no positive denial. 48:46 Chases 4th law of human behavior: "Every adult is a product of childhood suffering & reward." 49:33 Hallmark: Positive Image Management (P.I.M.) 53:30 Clip Six B.P. discuss: Regressive behavior, spike in politeness, body shrinking, 2 reasons we cry (Buss & Schmitt 1993), slight sadness in lower face, promiscuous sexual behavior, avoidance, some forehead involvement, fading facts, crying could be from frustration. 55:32 Hallmark: Promiscuous sexual behavior 1:02:41 Clip Seven 1:03:15 The Panel has fun with Greg before discussing: Fading facts, fading tone, fading volume, bobbleheading, dopamine & unfairness. 1:07:26 Mark explains the actual reason people get mad when they are accused of something they didn't do. 1:10:53 Hallmark: Failure to take responsibility for personal actions. 1:11:57 Clip Eight B.P. discuss: Facade, redirecting approach by giving a command instead of question, matching behavior, "Golluming" forcing out words, denial by proxy, slight disgust, & abstract thoughts. 1:17:12 Hallmark: Impulsivity (saying it just happened) 1:18:34 Perceptual positioning (what do you think I mean when I say...") cognitive empathy 1:21:56 Clip Nine Greg describes using cascading scale of guilt in hopes of getting a confession, a smile that cracks through her facade, & a increase in blink rate. Chase points out that there was no denial, along with the many odd child like tiny headshakes she was doing, before pointing out the quick shift of facial expression from 'innocent little girl' to 'stone cold monster' after Dr. Phil says is that true? 1:22:36 to catch the shift that may well forever haunt Chase. Lol 1:28:10 Final Hallmark: Need for stimulation & prone to boredom. Thanks for another amazing episode guys. Today's actually my birthday & I pretty much spent the whole day listening to you guys lol. I was stuck at work anyway so thanks for keeping me company : )
This helps so much, thank you! There were more than a few key points I wanted to refer back to. One almost needs to take notes, but now there’s Dan.😉 But your hooded cat scares me!🙀
As the mother of 4 kids, I cannot fathom one of my children having been involved in the murder of my spouse and other kids. Im certain her father does not want to believe his daughter was behind the death of his family . It would be too painful to come to terms with.
This is so fascinating. Its such conflicting to view her because she does have that quiet, timid sweet thing going on that its hard to catch all the things being mentioned, or see it super clearly. I just saw a tik tok of a woman who worked with her in prison and at first she bought into the whole innocent thing, and even wanted to advocate for her. By the end of the season Erin looked up and stared at her and she described it as "chilling, like I was in the room with a predator". Is that chilling feelings a true sign?? Great video. Only suggestion would be would be bring back up the freeze frame of what someone's talking about, for a moment to jog memory. Its 4 people, extensively talking and as a viewer you go "wait what thing?" and want to see it.
I find it very interesting that she specifics says “I probably added fuel to the fire”…. Because she set the house on fire after killing her family. An unconscious admission disguised as a metaphor.
This girl has always scared the crap out of me. She is void of emotion and empathy. Her never admitting any wrong doing just blows me away. I’m so sad for her Father. He is in denial, I hope she never gits let out. Ever
@@thetimeisnow760 I was listening to a podcast yesterday about forgiveness. I think if he really forgives her its a sign of his strength. I think you can forgive someone and still know that they have to face up to the consequences of their actions. It is hard to know how you would be if it was your child. Personally once my trust is broken that is kind of it for me. The reality is that if you are around these people, you are expendable the moment you are an obstacle to them getting what they want. So scary.
I love the respectful, open-minded, professional, generous collaboration between you guys. And the shared passion. It's a feast to see. Great body language.
Behaviour Panel, please please please do Jamie Lynn Spears' 2-3 minute explanation about her silence on Britney Spears conservatorship. It's RAM packed with so many micro expressions and juicy body language. I love your channel and have learned SO much!
the minute 24.41-24.45 - she literally smiles and she couldn't hide it when dr Phil asks "you said he brought up the killing of your parents right?" "yes, yes" and a BIG BIG SMILE
I am 100% with Greg Hartley here. When she looks up slowly, she is ANGRY. I am not great at reading people (admittedly - I'm autistic, so I am a little short on the social component of communication); however, I have had to learn to identify anger in order to survive, and I can spot the exact moment someone in the meeting/at the party/etc. goes from being fine to being pissed. That is what happened in that moment. She went from being manipulative, using her rehearsed narrative, etc., and then she is ANGRY. And she is crying because she's frustrated, and ANGRY about her friends ratting on her. She thought she was controlling that situation, and she's still beyond livid that she wasn't really in control.
And on a side note: Chase is the scariest on the panel. You have an unreadable, deadpan manner; Greg is as cutthroat, but has a honest approach to it; Scott is disarming with his southern charm -- almost Columbo tactics that work so well; and everyone who see Mark wants to have a personal "make me a better person" session
Interesting. I find nothing scary about them. Incredibly interesting to learn from and would love to have them and theirs over for drinks around the fire and listen to stories. 🍷🔥
@@HerMajesty1 I'm not saying they are all not fascinating and would be mesmerizing to listen to. Chase Hughes has the perfect poker face, with (like the others, although they use different techniques) a predatory way of cornering a person of interest in a way that would be eviscerating - and you wouldn't see it coming until it was too late
Does it seem to anyone else that (in every video) Chase is unimpressed by or generally doesn't care for Mark? Lol seems to me that maybe Chase doesn't feel like Mark is necessarily as qualified...
I also think that throughout the jnterview, she is trying to project a sort of "little cuteness" emphasizing her small size and using a small voice - trying to come across as cute and harmless. She is likely used to doing this and getting positive responses to her tiny size. The way she is sitting minimizes her already small size, she is using a small voice, she even uses language like "I picked up my little dog". She is likely used to using her size/cuteness to get people - especially males - especially large males to respond positively to her. Dr. Phil is a big guy, so this is probably a default tactic for her.
Well stated. Where is she from? That is a well-taught, lifeskill for females from the south. Dr. Phil is from Texas. He will be alerted to that manipulative behavior immediately. It's not psycopathic by itself, but it's a valuble and accepted manipulative tool in the wrong hands. It's great camoflauge for someone who has an anti-social personality disorder.
Yes - the coyness tactic is common for a lot of women. And it seems to work in so many settings. But the picking up her dog story was so obviously deliberate about her showing what a lovely person she is that is was quite nauseating.
People I've seen who creep me out seem to have slightly reflective dead eyes - like wet cement. It's impossible to see what's going on in there, if anything.
I am not an expert, but when she say "the first time he mentioned to kill my parents"... I was like: oh my god, if she were not a psycopath she would imediatelly run away from that guy
I would love to see an analysis of an INNOCENT person being interrogated. After seeing all these deception behaviors - it would be an interesting comparison.
First plan got foiled two week prior to that night. She used the situation with the boyfriend to manipulate him, her parents welcomed him into their home etc but when they said she was seeing too much of him and wanted her to study she “added fuel to the fire” then too. As you say Evil !
I'm no body behavior expert, but her lack of emotion of her parents death is a dead giveaway. Both my parents died of natural causes years ago and I still miss them. My mind can't grasp this.
From What I Read Her Parents Were Very Strict And Kept Her Away From The Outside World They Homeschooled Her She Wasnt Allowed To Have Friends Or Hangout…. There May Be Lack Of Emotions Because She May Be Glad She Doesnt Have To Deal With That Toxic And Overly Controlling Parenting Her Parents Did. They Held Her As A Damn Prisoner She’s Wrong For Doing What She Did But I Understand … Also You Cant Grasp Because Your Parents Probably Wasnt Like Her’s Thank God.
@@Ashfcknley. Her father survived and visits her frequently. Oddly enough, they seem to have become closer. Of course, he is in complete denial that she actually had anything to do with it, but on some level, I think he must know. And, she didn't just try to have her parents killed, she also is responsible for the murders of her brothers. Two innocent little boys and she had no problem at all saying go ahead and kill them too. That's a straight-up psychopath!
@@Ashfcknley. Yeah, I don't know why home schooling has become so popular (probably mass shootings, I guess, seems reasonable) but I'd never. The kids don't learn to socialize properly, imo. You can always tell the home schooled vs public vs private school kids at a park & such. 😆 Helicopter parents etc.
Mark Bowden. I dig you. Your special groove in this group really shines when you end the round. Your words are the final, insightsful summary. Always with a twist qt the end. Lovely. But it mostly seem to happen when you go last ❤😁
I’m a trained statement analyst. It’s interesting to me that even though your focus is on body language analysis, you also use statement analysis. Are some of you trained in it? It’s fascinating.
Yep. I'm sure that it works on her daddy so she learned the behavior young and probably does it automatically with anyone of authority to either get what she wants or get away with stuff. I am sure it worked with teachers, etc. growing up, too. Especially since she is so little and kind of has an angelic look. Her ability to do this with people who can't read body language definitely makes her more dangerous.
My ex husband had that same intense stare whenever he talked to anyone he saw as a threat. No blinking; giant pupils that made his eyes look black. I always called it "shark eyes" because he would look at me like that before he suddenly hit me or broke something within his reach. He also would put his hands in his front hoodie pocket the whole time he stared at someone that way while they talked and I always wondered why he did that. Now I know what I suspected when I left him. He's a psychopath.
"I probably added fuel to the fire." Interesting choice of words considering the house was set ablaze after the slaughter. If she had an ounce of sentiment/remorse about what happened, she would have avoided using that phrase like the plague.
@@user-lk2qf4rt3m Yeah, you're right that does sound sinister in context. I feel like they've mentioned this type of confession before on this channel but I can't recall the jargon used.
I’m trying to think back to when I was a teenager. As far as I know, I never wanted to kill my family and my mother and I fought a lot. Never in my wildest imagination would I have thought murder was the solution.
I think that most kids have had a mild desire to have their parents killed, because some parents are genuinely evil, and because some kids have no perspective. There was a cliche about wanting their dads to get hit by a truck. Imagine that desire being so common across history...now add the lack of discipline across the Millenial and Gen Z generations.
Apparently, she tried to talk a previous boyfriend into killing her family. She also talked about killing her family with friends, who didn't take her seriously. Israel Lewis, the criminal therapist who first worked with her, described as the most dangerous person he'd worked with and the best liar. Her father still believes she was a vulnerable girl who came under the control of a psychopathic man.
The smile at the end just after dr.phil says you wanted this to happen,was the most revealing thing in this whole video to me. My thought was what's she smiling about?
I was married to one for *33* years = 6 and on the 6th day, GOoD was ar*rested* for crimes not committed as jesUS is the innocent victim who is persecuted, prosecuted and convicted because only PETers$ with purse CAIN walk on just-ICE v justUS who is the FIRE... WE are the 1's who CARry PETer's bROCKen croSS up the hILLs$ of cal-vary stATES$ where the FED CoUrT of APPeaLES$ where juDAS$ is pAID and mulitpLIED as $ talks$ and CAIN was ABEL to 'leAVE'...
@@LeighRobinsonBushcraft You've probably met a lot more psychopaths than you're aware of. As the panel commented on in their video on Darlie Routier video, a majority of psychopaths live well functioning, normal lives.
@@jrgenlervik9374 I just looked it up and they're about 1% of the population. I guess you're right! This girl though, she's the super scary 'don't turn your back on' sort!
@@jrgenlervik9374 And I read that you need to have psychopathy under control to be a neurosurgeon, for example. I read that many CEOs have a level of psychopathy as well...
