@TheBehaviorPanel GREAT analysis! Especially on Epstein / Maxwell. I know Jeffrey Epstein was a collector of celebrity addresses, but he DID have Kevin Spacey’s home and office phone numbers, plus address in his black book. You can easily find it online. Just saying. I checked right after I saw Piers’ interview.
Thousands of successful artists and actors own businesses and succesfully run companies away from hollywood, Keanu Reeves is one of hundreds of A List actors that invest in their own businesses from investment firms to japanese chain restaurants (De Niro Empire) and many actors own international food businesses and clothing brands and make up lines from Marks Wahlburgers to Jessica Albas billion dollar home products lines. Beats by Dre to Ashton kutchers multi billion dollar investment firms. I did a reaction to your mistakes today, with respect of course.
Society needs to start normalising and encouraging the sensation of touch again... strangers need to be free to touch other strangers, in order to form real connections - Spacey has a pure heart
I was a trainer at a private studio where a colleague was in a movie with him and Bruce Willis and he told me Kevin asked him to come up to his trailer to show him some movie or tv show. He sat down in the chair to watch it and Kevin came up from behind and “caressed” him on the neck and he turned around and punched him in the chest and left. He told me this story in 2008.
Your username reminds me of Stargate SG-1 (the Goa’uld symbiotes) my favorite show, with actors, writers, producers, set designers & directors that I greatly admire.
I worked as an actors’ agent in London whilst Kevin Spacey was at the Old Vic. What I heard about him, a long time before accusations hit the press meant I would never have allowed any of my younger male actors to be alone in a room with him. I was a low level agent but his predatory behaviour was such that even I had heard about it It was commonly said he’d come to the U.K. as the age of consent is 16 rather than 18.
Groping a person is not “love”. He saw someone across the room and fell “in-love” and thought if he went over he’d somehow mysteriously feel the same way. He wasn’t in love, he was in lust and there’s a big difference.
Exactly, and KS knows this and uses it as a manipulation tactic. Clearly you cannot genuinely fall in love with someone when you first see them across a room. But if he were to be more honest about it - this person made me feel really horny, or even simply I was really attracted to him, the true driver emerges - lust. At this point we are nestled right up to what he has been accused of, lust that has been acted on from a position of power, and with any degree of resistance seemingly fanning the flames.
@@Sheer_Lunacy I disagree people can be powerfully attracted and fall it is lust, and from this love may arise but that does not give them the right to act on it without first checking it is reciprocated.
@@PaulGadoury I have been happily married to the same person for over thirty years after we fell in lust, some times it can develop into something more but not always.
@@CraigsOverijseI don't think we disagree then, or at least I don't see where what we're saying is different. Yes lust can develop into something more meaningful given time, but in the case we're discussing here, KS is trying to justify his behaviour by describing it as being "in love" from the first moment, which simply isn't possible. Love develops when you get to know the person more deeply, at the point you first lay eyes on someone it surely cannot be actual love?
Yes I was thinking that also in the list of people he hung out on that trip with Mandela excriminal (so NM changed in jail and was great man I will give Kevin that one) but then bandying around the other names :Blair unconvicted war criminal in many peoples opinion, Ghislaine and Geoff all convicted sex preditors, Prince Andrew not convicted because mummy bailed him our and Clinton also inappropriate with his juniors, then in another answe Harvey! Gosh Kevin really needs to change his circle of friends and associates or name drop less. 🤣
The ex-husband of the Princess of Norway told that he was groped by Spacey in 2007 during the Nobel Peace Prize. Out of the blue. He laughed it off, but told media about this after Me Too. /Regards from Sweden
He’s like the thief who isn’t at all sorry he stole, he’s just very sorry he got caught. It’s not as if we all don’t know what goes on in that industry
You're talking about crimes when he has been clear of any in court. Society has gone soft after the metoo, back then trashy behavior was just as normal as anything else.
@@Echo_1174 love it that your autocorrect does what mine does takes a word like well and makes it into something else🤣 we'll, I miss it sometime too made me laugh some else has the same happen.
@@CraigsOverijse That's SO funny! I'm a logophile (person that's into words). So I'm extremely into correct verbiage as well as spelling (like alot - a lot). When I read your comment this a.m., it really made me laugh! Thanks for pointing out my spellcheck is secretly making me look illiterate! 😂
@@Echo_1174 I an dyslexic and I also type dyslexically and often my posts are full of errors but my phone changing well to we'll irks me so I am glad it is not just me
@@CraigsOverijse I think it's freaking awesome that your 'switching wires' haven't hindered you from joining in on discussions!!! You're comment helped me realize some people aren't able to see things as I do! I'm grateful for crossing your path!!! I really believe you helped me become a better person... thank you Craig! 🩵 May God protect and bless you and yours bro!
Guys I agree with you. I love KS's work. I hold no malice towards him. I work in Hollywood so I am privileged ( or cursed) with knowing a lot of "insider" info. I, personally, witnessed a circumstance where his "stand-in", a gentleman who had successfully held the same position on another KS movie, was fired early on in a new KS production because KS told the casting company/producers that he wanted a "better looking" person in that role. This kind of behavior HURTS peoples work and reputation. He was allowed to get away with this use of power in Hollywood. It is not clear to me that KS understands and/or wishes to take responsibility for this kind of behavior.
I think he is a typical example of people in power, who misinterpret the attention they get because of their power as attention they get because they are attractive, so they very much overestimate their own attractiveness - which affects whether or not they can see that they overstep lines.
The solution is simple, legalize paying to get laid among consenting adults... Oh right, feminists will never let that happen. They want to be able to sell it while also having the power to call the cops on the John's for any and all reasons.
Love how he is first talking about being just a normal guy, a human. Not superior. Then does a whole 2min story to make himself a good guy - placing himself in the company of royalty, presidents, doctors and Nelson Mandela!! How on earth are you coming back from that 😅
I can train my dog not to steal food from my kitchen, and he won't do it. That's not because my dog understands stealing is morally wrong. This 'work' that Spacey will be doing for the rest of his life, is remembering he's not allowed to steal from the kitchen. He really doesn't understand what was wrong about his behaviour at all, he just knows he's not allowed to do it any more.
I was hoping you would pick up a few more things from this interview, at least I did. One being the slight smirks he does when he realizes Piers is going easy on him. This man is a AAA* actor, he knows all about body language and he knows in order to convince the audience, he needs to put himself in the right state of mind to appear calm and humble, what people expect, but not necessarily bringing the actual memories in the same headspace. Even when he says about being dragged in the throne room his hand gestures point to the left as he recounts people sitting next to him, when the proof photo we have shows Maxwell sitting on his right. The fact that he stays so calm and is able to self-sooth through acting (impersonation, cry on cue) should've been an indication that this man is above your average body language reading. He deflects, he lies, he virtue-signals, he sandwhich his answers, he never actually apologizes for the acts but instead vows not to do the same mistake again (sexual misconduct or getting caught for it?). His most grave mistake during this interview is contradicting himself about not knowing who Epstein was at the time but then admits he was avoiding him because he brought young girls on the same aids-awareness charity Mandela-meeting African flight. All the facts point to a brilliant, narcissistic, power and fame addicted individual, and even if he was found innocent by the courts (he hanged out with presidents, billionaires and royals after all) I think it is common sense that people will not willingly include him into future Hollywood projects. It's a separate thing to not be hated and a whole another to be loved.
@@rethalewisPT I think, based on the the last few question of the interview, that it was a political exchange. A former openly Democrat powerful person leaning towards a more conservative approach and Piers trying to advertise that rising power to his viewers.
I'm surprised that the entire panel were are all ok with Kevin's line that "when your fall in love across the room". You can't fall in love across the room. You fall in lust across the room. Kevin wanted sex and he was going to get it since he was an authority figure.
"if I fall in love with someone across the room"..... that kind of falling in love is called: falling in LUST. While the team talks body language, I was listening and not watching Spacey. His voice is very tight at times, sounding strained. Particularly with that sentence. Spacey: good actor but he's been on the Hollywood weirdo list for a long time: AT HIS OWN DOING.
This guy is SUCH a predator. Early on, he said relationships often begin when one of the the parties is more AGRESSIVE than the other. A few minutes later, he says he wasn't aggressive with anyone. He says he was gentle when making unwanted passes. This whole interview... Kevin Spacey is vile.
Maybe he meant that some people are the ones who like to take charge, that he himself is like that... But not that he was violent or something like that, not like a rapist or similar
If he's trying to put food on the table, he can go work at a grocery store. If he's SUCH a "normal human person," he can go live in a 1 bed 1 bath apartment and struggle to make ends meet for a while like the rest of us. I do believe that he has remorse, BECAUSE he's lost everything. If a woman had "gently caressed" him the way he did to these other men, how would he feel? If he truly felt sorry for making these people feel small and humiliated, I don't think that he would have argued the fact that he "didn't grope them." If he truly cared enough to understand how much he hurt these men, he would take full accountability. No, I don't think his intentions were malicious, but that doesn't matter. If I step on my husband's toe, I'm going to apologize profusely, not say "It wasn't THAT hard." The hurt party gets to decide how much they are hurt, not the other way around. Anyways, I'd love to see you guys react to some of the interviews and allegations against him in that netflix documentary, but I imagine it's a bit of a touchy subject for you guys to analyze victims.
Touching or caressing people without their consent is sexual assault! Not understanding that sexual groping is wrong, as he claims, is not believable or any excuse for criminal behavior. What a perv!
I have aphantasia, I can't "picture" anything in my head. I only found out this past year that other humans can literally "see" images in their minds! That's incredible!
I like how Keven had a problem when his ability to earn a living was taken away from him. But no problem when victims lost out What a self entitled jerk!
I wanted to thank Greg for early on, making the point about, " one person having authority and it's an asymmetrical relationship." YES. This is what women in office sexual harassment or any harassment situation are usually dealing with when someone says, "Why didn't you leave, speak up report sexual harassment,, etc." Firstly, I think ALL women want to secretly strangle those who has ever said that. ( I haven't yet... :)) But the real reasons harassed people generally do not report it, talk to HR, file a police report is BECAUSE we will most likely be fired, demoted, fired AND blackballed from getting another job, we might have OUR reputation ruined because the man ( or woman) we are reporting about, HAS MORE POWER than we do. I have SO much sympathy for what those harassed men when through around Kevin Spacey, I truly do, but this is one of the first times that men are finally seeing that unequal power / authority dynamics can have so much more importance in a situation than how physically strong someone is compared to the one harassing them. And btw, I love Spacey's work as an actor too! Thank you for doing this one.
"How the mighty have fallen" No question an incredible talent that I've enjoyed watching through the years. I don't know for a fact what he has or hasn't done. I'm just over 1/2 way into this now. I don't have much knowledge of body language so, without malice, I'm just expressing how I feel watching him here. It's amazing how angelic he can make himself appear. Almost like a misunderstood, innocent child. For the first time I feel he is an empty shell, acting a part that he can't quite attain. He feels more real in acting roles than he ever can in real life. The wounded child, contrite, offers himself up. Like Pinocchio, he doesn't know what it feels like to be a real boy.
I totally agree! You put this to words very well. He seems so empty. But empty and fake. Him using the word aggressive in explaining the beginnings of a relationship is so so odd.
I have never liked him. He has never played a morally good charecter and while he is good in his roles as a real creepy psychopath type he has very little ramge to play anything else. And of course theres a big market there for such a charecter ..other guys that have played evil guys ive seen interviews of them and they don't seem at all like the same creeps. He just seems like kaisar sozay in all his interviews ive ever seen. Also so creepy that he thinks a gentle grope is any better than an agressive grope. As a woman a sensual soft gentle hidden grope is actually much more creepy to me than someone say slapping me on the arse ..unfortunately groping is sooooo damn common especially in former times. I dont think ive ever been to a bar nightclub and not been touched in some way by somone ...
He's so gross trying to almost make it seem like it's normal to 'fall in love with someone across a room' and then go over there and begin to grope or 'gently caress' the person immediately to 'see if they're interested'! I hope not one of us who is commenting actually does this or has ever done this! That's predatory and not socially acceptable at all in normal society!
I’ve noticed that Mark, being from an English background, is usually the first to point out class in these analyses. Here in the US we’re indoctrinated to believe that class doesn’t exist. But the people at the top are highly class conscious and the first to understand how this all works.
Ya im struggling with this. He has been known to stay in character for the entire time on a set. Would it be so hard for him to stay in character during a 90 mins interview? Especially when his future livelihood is at stake?? He contradicts himself many times, pushes the limits on facts & generally gives me the creeps. If Clinton is his claim to normality…ugh no.
All a body language expert can ever tell you is what is expressed by the body. If you are a sociopath or a good actor youre going to express what you plan to express and if you are a normal person something you dont intend to express may come out to give you away. But all a body language expert can ever tell you is what somones body language has expressed. That is all. Not what happened not what went on. And i havent seen them pass judgement on the body language of the victims who to my amelateur eye were far more believable and honest than this actor who is always playing a role. Some people are always playing a role because theyre narcissisitic and they have a cultivated persona with their wives for decades while living doublee lives for example. Politicians... laywers...actors...and sociopaths can keep a persona going for decades day on day year on year to people close to them. Every day. So of course he can keep it up for 90 minutes. He always comes across as if hes acting. Ive never seen anything from him that seems genuine. Honest. Open. So i think he probably has a personality disorder.
Acting in real life is harder than acting in a movie... When you try to play a role in real life, that's when you make mistakes and start messing up. They talked about this and why it is so
I fell in love with a curvy beauty from across the room and I immediately bought it, put a leash on it, waxed it up, and rode it at The banzai pipeline! She is 6’8” and I love her long time.
@@DokisKalin1people only change when they genuinely acknowledge the truth of their past or present. When you spend the whole interview downplaying what you did and talking about how mich humanitarian work youve done and how you were so gentle etc...that doesn't lead to change. Change happens through accepting the harm you have caused others fully not downplaying that harm not defending yourself not building up an image of yourself as a saint... people do change but not unless they actually have acceptance of their present situation. An alcoholic doesnt change by saying it was just a drink it was only beer i was just taking a little sip I had had a bad day that day i was on my way to a humanitarian mission to help mother theresa save orphans... when somone says one person makes them feel sick by their performative nonsense that doesnt say anything about everyone. Thats called a straw man arguement. Nobody said anything about nobody can ever change. What they said was his disengenuous non apology is sickening. And it is. He didnt acknowledge ANY wrong doing so no he cant change or learn or grow from a place of non acceptance of his fault.
I'm just saying that was my gut reaction. I take that to mean something feels fishy. I'm all for contrition and turning one's life around but I'm not buying this particular case. I've no idea; I could be wrong.. & at the end of the day it's between Kevin Spacey & Kevin Spacey.
@@FlowerChyld143 its also between keven spacey and the people he groped. Go with your gut always. If somone seems like a creepy slime ball theyre probably a creepy slime ball. Many actors who act like creeps seem normal when they come off stage. This guy is kaiser sozay all day.
Epstein definitely owned a 727, they called it the "Lolita Express". It had a capacity for 29 passengers and included a bedroom with a private bathroom. So Chase, you were spot-on, as usual!
He’s likely sincere but he has that inexplicable “creep” factor. Love you guys. I write psychological thrillers and am learning a lot from you guys. Plus, it’s entertaining. Scott makes me laugh, Mark provides interesting facts, Greg gives a cogent summary, and Chase makes me get my pen and notebook out. Fabulous show! I hope you do the debates!
I think he didn't tell the whole truth. He has probably been introduced to Epsteen and maybe talked to him a little... But "he didn't know him", "he is not his confidant" "he didn't spend time with him" etc.
It's your responsibility to establish a consent BEFORE you touch and assume your advances are wanted. He's an entitled man who can't fathom what being preyed upon feels like.
I mostly agree with this. I'm not so sure he doesn't know what being preyed upon feels like, however. If you watch the documentary, his brother says that he himself was sexually abused by their father. He doesn't say that Kevin was, but there's kind of that awkward silence after his admission that lends to speculation that maybe he's not the only victim. That would certainly explain a lot if that were true. NOT an excuse, mind you, but a reason. Especially since Kevin seems to almost exclusively go for younger guys who were particularly vulnerable.
@@brokenhallelujah72The sane response to being hurt, is to try and ensure no one else ever suffers hurt like that. " Taking power by becoming the evil" is despicable, spiritually deranged.
When Kevin Spacey was asked about inviting Ghislaine Maxwell to the palace.,and he went into the story about Clinton inviting him etc., he never confirmed or denied having invited her to come along as well. Hmmm.
Spacey did nothing wrong though - he was expressing himself through touch as well as words - something which most of us have been fearmongered into not doing in life (which is very sad)
You did an excellent analysis of the interview with Piers and Kevin. I watched because it's you four. My honest thoughts about Kevin are, I just don't care about what he has to say. I care more about the people he hurt.
As soon as this interview with Piers came out I was looking forward to you guys giving it the Behaviour Panel treatment, and you didn't disappoint! All told, I think I'm ready to see Kevin Spacey in a film again. I don't think I'm ready to hear him say "caressing" ever again though.
I like Kevin Spacey as an actor, however I do feel while watching his interview that he actually did what he was accused of. Also, he is not feeling guilt or sorrow but rather trying not be cruel or angry at those who were his victims for ruining his career.
Unless you are “in a relationship” with someone. You should never, ever be touching another person. Especially someone you just met. This guy is not stupid and should know what is appropriate behavior.
You don’t “fall in love with somebody from across the room.” That’s a weird statement in itself, characteristic of someone who’s totally out of touch with normal life.
Piers.. “how many people are you having those conversations with?” Kevin.. “I’m not going to say how many, they’re private conversations” Piers… “Just a handful?” 🥁 waaaaaaaaaay! Pun intended 😂
38:43 "...I will never behave [like that] ever." I'm extremely skeptical about this "vow" because less than 5 min prior, he had difficulty understanding why his behavior was so heinous. This might be a controversial comparison, but I don't think he's any different from any other sexual deviant who has made the exact same promise to anyone who would listen. We keep them in prison, or the very least, on sexual offender registry because time & again, the criminal will re-offend; especially if they don't believe they've done anything wrong. There's a very important reason why companies big & small around the world have "fraternization policies." There's no "middle ground" for Spacey to stand on. There's no justification or reasonable explanation to lean on.
The only thing true is when he says "all i can say" maybe he didnt go to the island...some stuff he just practiced really well. Also the girls didnt interest him....what about boys ....
This guy is too good of an actor. He can coordinate his motions and look honest whenever he wants to. He can probably slow and speed up his heart rate.
As much as I used to love KS in films like Seven, and The Unusual Suspects, I have no desire to see him in anything again. I don't think he can wipe the stain of being part of a group of Hollywood bigwigs, who thought they could sexually assault anyone in the room, and get away with it. I know that historically a portion of gay men have been very open sexually, to one night stands or worse (as some women have too). I'm old and remember the days before AIDS, in the 70's the gay baths and promiscuous sex was just the way it was. They were still closeted, and that was how they got together. He is less than one year younger than me (65), so I think he was a product of those times, and when he became super famous he just carried on as usual. He didn't realise that with great power, comes great responsibility, and he let his "horseplay" still be a thing. (Please, anyone that's gay don't come after me. I have a transsexual step-son, who is changing his gender. We are extremely supportive, and I am not judging anyone. This is just my opinion, based on decades of observation)
it makes no difference if he liked men or women to me or if he is into anykind of kinky what peopl do in their bedrooms is up to them if it is consemting, but what is unacceptable is the power imbalance
“Touching somebody in a sexual way that I didn’t know at the time they didn’t want.” You know how you can avoid that, Kevin? Ask for consent, you creep.
I watched along with you. This was really interesting. There were times you all said you didn't think he believed he had done anything wrong and that in itself is as scary as him lying. I think he's a psycho.
@@pettywhite I think he's made it pretty clear he understands society has moved on from "hands on" hookup party culture. As if it wasn't happening all the time in 80's dance clubs...
I heard Greg say he loves Kevin Spacey’s work. This gave me such relief from Seven, The Usual Suspects and American Beauty I have always been a huge Kevin Spacey fan. I know I’ll watch these favorite movies again…but it makes me feel guilty. Supporting the work/bank account of a predator makes me a little sick. But not seeing these solid gold works of art again makes me sad. Anyone else feel this way? Morally do we need to boycott him?
Almost always actors earn a base salary for a role, not royalties. So when you watch a film you're not giving them more money. Just two cents. But use your own judgment.
37:49 so he thinks that IF he's gentle with someone when he gropes them then it's okay??? Sounds like an abuser to me. That's what people do when they groom someone ; they are gentle at first so as not to startle them or scare them. He's sickening!!
SPACEY keeps USING THE “ROYAL WE.” Has he elevated himself to Royalty? He looked extremely RELAXED in the Throne room next to Maxwell. Andrew should BE ASHAMED that he let those people in that Throne ROOM!
I used to work at a place where my manager was best friends with the owner. He always grabbed me and said gross stuff to me daily. I went to the owner and he said oh that's just how he is.😮 I finally left that job.
I work with rape victims and there is not always violence in a rape. Actually extreme violence is not that common. But Spacey should have known that he was using his status of power to get want he wanted.
My brother used to do live theater, and he told me that the most aggressive humans were gay men. Even going back to HS theater, he said he'd had his crotch grabbed, and that was horribly common behavior within the acting field. My brother is hetero, and finally quit doing theater because he was sick and tired of being sexually grabbed by gay men, young and old. I wasn't there. Just passing it along.
@@whatiwasgoingtosay I've never felt that way around straight men at all. I have certainly never had any man grab my private parts. What kind of crowd do you hang out with where that is the norm?
Clintons, Ghislaine, Epstein, and Prince Andrew: birds of a feather flock together, no matter how he tries to distance himself from 2 of them. And really, could he tell the truth? That would be dangerous. A snake in the grass who was given all questions ahead of time to master his responses coupled with his great acting skills.
