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A History lesson of “EVOLUTION in CONSTUCTION” (OCTOPUS) Gravity Furnaces
This video was documented at a house that was built in the 1880s and it still has the original octopus gravity furnace being used in 2021! #kalamazoo #puremichigan #michigan
History:
The first indoor heating systems were burning wood in #fireplaces and the next is the wood stove pot belly or #Franklin stoves (invented in 1742). These were convenient for heating and cooking. However, heating a home was very difficult in each room. You had to keep the fires going in MULTIPALE #fireplaces and wood #stoves .
Finally, in 1885 the first “ #octopus #gravity ” #coal #furnace was built and designed originally for coal fuel only; it did not require #GAS or #ELECTRICITY . Coal was manually inserted into the combustion chamber (heat exchanger) which would then heat the air surrounding it. This air is transferred by natural heat rising up through the ductwork to heat the rooms in the home without forced air.
The coal gravity “octopus” furnace was the most popular heating system till 1935 when the first “#FORCED AIR” furnace was introduced. It replaced coal with natural gas for fuel and installed electricity to power an electric fan to push the heat through the duct vent. This provided a QUICKER way to heat the rooms.
GRAVITY furnaces were still being manufactured through the 50s and 60s, BUT they were a SQUARE shape style and were NOT designed for coal but for natural gas and oil only. These were not tolerant of the extensive heat from coal burning btu’s, due to the thin gauge of steal on the #heat exchangers.
Use:
The coal gravity “octopus” furnace required continuous manual regulating of fuel and flame just like a fireplace or woodstove would require. The benefit of using coal fuel versus wood is that it burns very slow with extremely hot BTU ratings and requires less regulation. These were built with riveted #steal and #castiron in a round shape with duct tubes that extend out of it. This is why it got the nickname Octopus. The #ductwork was the key element to transfer the heat with #convection (warm heated air rising) through #ducts from the basement to each room of a home.
Disadvantages:
• Coal is a very dirty source of fuel source and is not #environmentallyfriendly . During the 1900s most OCTOPUS GRAVITY furnaces were converted from coal to natural gas & oil with conversion kits. This relieved #homeownership from the chore of stoking the coal fire, regulating & cleaning ashes.
• Gravity furnaces have heating #efficiency of 50% or LESS, whereas today’s furnaces have the efficiency ratings of up to 95%.
• #Asbestos : An #unhealthy and #hazardous material used on duct work, outer housing of the furnace and gasket/seams to coal hatch door areas. It was used a lot as an #insulator and fire retardant, however it can cause lung cancer when inhaled.
© Copyright 1999 - 2023 John Frejeris
#construction #realestate #home #maintenance #inspection #realestateagentlife #craftsman
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION - #fire #hazard #safetyfirst tips
The average #household can expect two serious fires during a member's lifetime and nationally every 68 seconds a fire strikes in a home.
Smoke Detector Tips:
• Smoke detectors should be placed inside of all sleeping areas
• Smoke detectors should be placed on each level of the home (including the basement)
• All #family members should become familiar with the sound that is made when the smoke detector is set off
Remember: Keep your smoke detectors clean and maintained according to the manufacturer’s instructions. #Test all #smoke #detectors weekly and check your batteries monthly.
Home Hazard Hunt: (things to look for)
• Storage areas are clean and free of flammables such as old #newspapers , cardboard boxes, and oily rags.
• #paint , #gasoline , and other #flammable liquids are stored and sealed in their original metal containers away from heat sources.
• Electrical systems are checked for frequently blown fuses, #flickering lights, shrinking TV pictures, warm outlet plates, and #sparks from switches and outlets, all signs of an overloaded electrical system or faulty wiring.
• The #heating system and water #heater have been serviced in the past year.
• #chimneys and #woodburning #stoves are clean, free of buildup, & checked regularly.
• All buckets are stored empty and upside down to prevent accidental drownings.
• All #fireplaces have a metal or glass screen that fits tightly.
• Portable space heaters are a safe distance from furniture, drapes, and walkways.
• #Matches, #candles, #lighters, and smoking materials are kept up out of children reach.
• #Electrical outlets have only one outlet per terminal.
• Electrical cords are not under rugs, across pathways or tacked to walls.
• Use of extension cords is avoided.

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@TylerWattt
@TylerWattt Год назад
I'm 31 and grew up and still live in Pennsylvania. When I was a kid had a coal furnace heating a two bedroom, two story house with full attic. I remember going down and shoveling it into the furnace and emptying it out. I miss those days..
@Bigbuddyandblue
@Bigbuddyandblue 2 года назад
I’m old enough to remember as a child bring sent down to the basement in Chicago to shovel coal into the furnace. I’d pretend I was a fireman on a steam locomotive. Today, we just set the temperature from our iPhones.
@inspectflix
@inspectflix 2 года назад
OMG. What a great story to share. "Were in the future" and it's funny you mention the iPhone. When I'm inspecting, I have to turn up the thermosets in order to check for C-O and gas leaks. But sometimes a seller will turn it back down on me from another location via iPhone. LOL. Thanks for watching.
@enterprize-zi8dd
@enterprize-zi8dd Месяц назад
We still have this 😂
@creeguyvernon
@creeguyvernon Год назад
My dad (1931-2020) grew up in Calgary Canada and had a furnace similar to this in his house, which is still standing as of 2023, 👍 but as a kid he can remember the cold winters and putting coal at bedtime 10 pm and it would last until 4am until he needed to Stoke it again, pretty neat old stories at the time and after WW2 around 1947 or so, his neighbourhood got gas installation and gas burner conversion.
@inspectflix
@inspectflix Год назад
Wow. Great story. Thanks for sharing. And, Thanks for watching.
@inspectflix
@inspectflix Год назад
Wow. Great story. Thanks for sharing. And, Thanks for watching.
@CanadianBriar
@CanadianBriar 9 месяцев назад
I grew up on 10A street just behind walt Healy motorcycle in hillhurst calgary in a house build in 1913, it had one of those furnaces still on coal.
@Dave-co1cv
@Dave-co1cv 4 месяца назад
I'm surprised they went to natural gas in 1947. I lived in a Century-home in Kitchener, Ontario, and transitioned from coal to oil.
@DanknDerpyGamer
@DanknDerpyGamer Год назад
Kind of stupid "fun fact": In HOME ALONe, the furnace that scared the unholy crap out of Kevin was a gravity furnace. 😂
@EastmanEditing
@EastmanEditing 6 месяцев назад
haha that is what I always think of with our furnace! I have one still in my house...super scary and at least once a year I obsess over whether they're actually safe or not even though every expert has said ours is safe, and probably even safer than many of the new boilers/furnaces lol.
@HarlanE1995
@HarlanE1995 Год назад
I had a house in college that was built probably around the 1920s and it still had one of these beasts
@inspectflix
@inspectflix Год назад
Thanks for watching.
@MrRedthief
@MrRedthief 2 года назад
I remember, when I was 3 yrs old, the delivery of the coal, shoveling it into the coal bin and shoveling coal into the furnance.
@inspectflix
@inspectflix 2 года назад
WOW Thanks for watching. Whenever I watch the "Christmas story" movie, I always try to Imagin what it would be like to see those coal trucks driving around and delivering coal.
@2020Animations
@2020Animations 8 месяцев назад
as a WMU student that came across the room controlled dampers on FB this is a welcome suprise this came from the place i’m currently residing in!
@inspectflix
@inspectflix 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching
@nicholaskaminski615
@nicholaskaminski615 2 года назад
Awesome
@PJ_222
@PJ_222 Год назад
I still have the octopus gravity fed heater. House built 1791
@Rusty_Nickle
@Rusty_Nickle 2 года назад
It takes years of exposure before asbestos causes cancer or any other problems simply being used as an insulation wouldn't do it. Still a really cool find though.
@inspectflix
@inspectflix 2 года назад
Scott Thanks for watching the video. My replay is simply... Yes and No. Yes… According to the EPA quote; “In general, the greater the exposure to asbestos, the greater the chance of developing harmful health effect. Disease symptoms may take many years to develop following exposure”. This is why I never speculate about the amount of exposure to asbestos that can cause lung cancer. No... EPA statement: “Asbestos fibers may be released into the air by the disturbance of asbestos-containing material during product use, demolition work, building or home maintenance, repair, and remodeling. In general, exposure may occur only when the asbestos-containing material is disturbed or damaged in some way to release particles and fibers into the air. CPSC U.S Consumers Product Safety Commission statements; “The mere presence of asbestos in a home or a building is not hazardous. The damage is that asbestos materials may become damaged over time. Damaged asbestos may release asbestos fibers and become a health hazard. As for me, my business of inspecting in the last 30 years, homes with asbestos on ductwork have many issues including high liability. 1. In recent years one of the biggest duct cleaning companies in Michigan will no longer clean your duct runs with the presence of asbestos. 2. You buy it, you own it, and you have to disclose it before you sell it. 3. The cost of encapsulating is expensive 4. It is true that there is more hysteria in recent years because of consumers watching commercials about mesothelioma lung cancer and Class Action Lawsuits which are linked to asbestos material. 5. "If the asbestos material is in good shape and will not be disturbed, do nothing! If it is a problem, there are two types of corrections: repair and/or removal" quote by CPSC
@inspectflix
@inspectflix 2 года назад
Kevin I Disagree... EPA statement: “Asbestos fibers may be released into the air by the disturbance of asbestos-containing material during product use, demolition work, building or home maintenance, repair, and remodeling. In general, exposure may occur only when the asbestos-containing material is disturbed or damaged in some way to release particles and fibers into the air. CPSC U.S Consumers Product Safety Commission statements; “The mere presence of asbestos in a home or a building is not hazardous. The damage is that asbestos materials may become damaged over time. Damaged asbestos may release asbestos fibers and become a health hazard. As for me, my business of inspecting in the last 30 years, homes with asbestos on ductwork have many issues including high liability. 1. In recent years one of the biggest duct cleaning companies in Michigan will no longer clean your duct runs with the presence of asbestos. 2. You buy it, you own it, and you have to disclose it before you sell it. 3. The cost of encapsulating is expensive 4. It is true that there is more hysteria in recent years because of consumers watching commercials about mesothelioma lung cancer and Class Action Lawsuits which are linked to asbestos material. 5. "If the asbestos material is in good shape and will not be disturbed, do nothing! If it is a problem, there are two types of corrections: repair and/or removal" quote by CPSC This is why I never speculate about any amount of exposure to asbestos.
@chase5859
@chase5859 2 года назад
Fellow inspector here. Just came across one that is still burning coal! Lennox Torrid Zone, circa 1924(ish). I’d say it’s due for replacement. Lol
@inspectflix
@inspectflix 2 года назад
Oh Wow! 30 years of inspecting and I've seen a lot of gravity furnaces, but never seen one still burning coal. I also never seen a "Lennox" name brand on an Octopus Gravity in Michigan either. VERY COOL. Thanks for watching and sharing your story.
@chase5859
@chase5859 2 года назад
@@inspectflix I work in Weatherization and have seen a handful, but only one that hasn’t been converted to gas. Still rolling coal! (Illinois worker).
@Truckguy1970
@Truckguy1970 3 года назад
Wow! I saw one of these that was converted over to oil fired and they added a forced air fan unit and it even had central air added on to it lol. The way they did it was, they put the fan unit and A coil between the cold air return and the furnace.
@inspectflix
@inspectflix 3 года назад
Wow. You got me on that one. In last 30 years I've seen a few converted to forced air, but not a-c... lol.
@elohimsown9244
@elohimsown9244 2 года назад
Please provide the name of the company that did the ac addition? thanks!
@Truckguy1970
@Truckguy1970 2 года назад
The name of the company I saw on the Air handler said "Horner Brothers, Bridgeton N.J." but they've been out of business since the 70s' This was an old belt driven unit and The condenser unit was an old round Carrier unit so this was probably done in the late 60s or early 70s
@jonbloore256
@jonbloore256 2 года назад
@@inspectflix Is there a company in Kalamazoo or Battle Creek that still services these?
@inspectflix
@inspectflix 2 года назад
@@jonbloore256 Thanks for watching and for the question. I dont believe you can find a licensed HVAC contractor to service gravity furnaces. The last i heard 10 years ago, contractors can loss their license if they service them. Not sure if thats true, but there's not much to service. The gas control valve and pilot thermal coupler are the only things to go . Maybe keeping the flue exhast pipe clean and front door hatch sealed. Sometimes old retired contractors can be found to service thise simple items. I also wouldn't be surprised if in the last 10 - 15 years , HVAC licenses have adapted to green energy guidelines due to the very low energy efficiency. THANKS AGAIN.👍
@EastmanEditing
@EastmanEditing 6 месяцев назад
I have one of these! It's completely wrapped in asbestos like paper-mache style, so fibers aren't able to blow about. I love it, but it does scare me because of how loud it is. It's been inspected every year and everyone says the "boom" is normal, so I just have to trust that it is. Do you think these are safer or at least as safe as newer heating systems? Old boiler/furnace experts seem to think so, and I even had a historic boiler expert who knows my friend that works at a historical site come out to calm my fears, and they said it was a "beauty" and that it will never have to be replaced. But of course, as you mentioned in another comment, we had a couple of "modern" HVAC inspectors come out and said it should be replaced immediately and that it could cause carbon monoxide poisoning, etc... After doing more research, it seems these are not more likely than others to cause CO poisoning, but in the past it was just the coal that caused the true danger, correct? I have no less than 4 CO detectors scattered throughout the basement now just to be safe haha!
@LeggsGuy
@LeggsGuy 3 года назад
That'd heat my barn...
@avyc2031
@avyc2031 2 года назад
Currently panicking because i just moved to a building in SouthWest Detroit and initially i was like wow that's cool, now I don't know if I'm going to get cancer in a year :|
@inspectflix
@inspectflix 2 года назад
Thanks for watching the video, Avy C. Yes, these gravity furnaces are very cool and still being used, some even restored with professional removal of asbestos. No need to panic, you just need to arm yourself with more information. Here is a list of information from a past reply to a similar comment. According to the EPA quote; “In general, the greater the exposure to asbestos, the greater the chance of developing harmful health effect. Disease symptoms may take many years to develop following exposure”. This is why I never speculate about the amount of exposure to asbestos that can cause lung cancer. EPA statement: “Asbestos fibers may be released into the air by the disturbance of asbestos-containing material during product use, demolition work, building or home maintenance, repair, and remodeling. In general, exposure may occur only when the asbestos-containing material is disturbed or damaged in some way to release particles and fibers into the air. CPSC U.S Consumers Product Safety Commission statements; “The mere presence of asbestos in a home or a building is not hazardous. The damage is that asbestos materials may become damaged over time. Damaged asbestos may release asbestos fibers and become a health hazard. As for me, my business of inspecting in the last 30 years, homes with asbestos on ductwork have many issues including high liability. 1. In recent years one of the biggest duct cleaning companies in Michigan will no longer clean your duct runs with the presence of asbestos. 2. You buy it, you own it, and you have to disclose it before you sell it. 3. The cost of encapsulating is expensive 4. It is true that there is more hysteria in recent years because of consumers watching commercials about mesothelioma lung cancer and Class Action Lawsuits which are linked to asbestos material. 5. "If the asbestos material is in good shape and will not be disturbed, do nothing! If it is a problem, there are two types of corrections: repair and/or removal" quote by CPSC I hope this information helps.
@gtb81.
@gtb81. Год назад
most of the time if it is in good condition and it's not disturbed it shouldn't be an issue. problem with asbestos is really when it is disturbed and particles are able to be released into the air
@robpanel
@robpanel 2 года назад
That one looks a little small. The house I grew up in we had a really big round scary one and don't get too close because it was hot. I used to think it would blow up when it ignited 😂
@inspectflix
@inspectflix 2 года назад
Thanks for watching. YES, this is a small one and yes, they do get hot the closer you stand next to them. This was a small house and furnaces are installed based on BTUs per square feet of the home. GOOD CATCH!👍
@stewart8127
@stewart8127 10 месяцев назад
The worm and auto click gear is missing
@erinhallis4702
@erinhallis4702 Год назад
Hello, do you know how to clean one of these? I have one that's 122 years old and the pilot flame is suddenly orange, and therefore not lighting the "bonfire," aka the heat isn't turning on. I've done research and everywhere says it needs to be cleaned (and/or the thermocouple needs to be replaced)....how do I clean something like that? Vacuum? The door access is just small enough that I can't climb inside....thoughts?
@inspectflix
@inspectflix Год назад
Ok. Thermocouples can be cleaned sometimes simply with a wire brush. The debris that collects on it will be a whitish calcium looking or blackish film from the natural gas over a period of time. It is easier to clean it if is removed, but then you may want to just replace it at that point. You are right about orange and yellow tipping on any flame (pilot or burners) is an indication of improper burning. The flame should be a nice even blue. However, if the pilot is staying lit and the "burner" aka "bonfire" does not turn on then it sounds like debris on the burner or ribbon burner, which ever type you have. Or it could be a problem with the gas "control" valve or "regulator" which provides gas to the burner. (You may not be getting gas to the burner). Now, these gas control valves or gas regulators on old octopus gravity furnaces have many styles. The gas "regulators" were the original conversion kits installed when the gas was available. These sometimes need adjusting or replacing. The problem you may come across is finding a HVAC contractor to repair or replace the part without selling you a new furnace due to an excuse like efficiency, environmental or protecting their licensing. I've heard them all. I hope this was helpful. Thanks for watching the video. Don't forget to Like, Share and Subscribe
@GC-zj2ou
@GC-zj2ou Год назад
How much would this cost to dismantle and replace
@inspectflix
@inspectflix Год назад
Good question. I couldn't tell you. But there are 3 areas of cost. 1st, removal of asbestos by an approved company 💲. 2nd, all of the ductwork has to be replaced with a new system for size, plenum,etc..💲💲 hidden cost. 3rd, furnace installation based on btu size and type of efficiency model 💲. Thanks for watching the video.
@tedlahm5740
@tedlahm5740 Год назад
Anthracite coal not dusty at all? comment please.
@inspectflix
@inspectflix Год назад
I'm not sure what your question is... the video says sooty and dirty from the use of coal... not dusty.
@OshonaikeGbenga
@OshonaikeGbenga Год назад
How do you turn it on
@inspectflix
@inspectflix Год назад
Thanks for watching the video... Thats a good question. Because of the way it is set up right now with natural gas and a burner, it uses a standard "thermostat". But how it was "originally" built, you had to light a fire inside the heat exchanger every time it's used. Then you would have to keep putting fuel into it continuously. "Hard living back then" Thanks for the question...
@howtowin.facts.7247
@howtowin.facts.7247 Год назад
Yea are. 140 years of successfull operation you tell me they suck
@inspectflix
@inspectflix Год назад
Thanks for watching. These are built like a steam train.
@timtnr.6177
@timtnr.6177 Год назад
And the comment above "Hard living back then" lol, many people still build fires in fireplaces! Maybe society has become too lazy lol, not really that difficult to keep this stoked, the great thing in the event of power failure, you can still keep your home or building heated
@tedlahm5740
@tedlahm5740 Год назад
@@timtnr.6177 my gas fired boiler gravity to the radiator uses no electricity. Thermopile for the gas valve and the thermostat (naturally)
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