Well, thanks for the warning about the flare, and the weight/mass, neither of which are acceptable, so, “Liked,” and commenting, to help with the YT algorithms. I am not sure that I would need to acquire any APO 35mm M-mount lens, as I find the Zeiss Distagon 35mm f/1,4 ZM is so very good, including its resistance to flare.
Thanks Vic, yes I was surprised how well ..yet bad it performed in mentioned areas! I went out my way to find a contact for TTA to ask them why it was so bad with flare before releasing the video in case I had bad copy but no..
Hi Matt, another very interesting video. Just to be clear, you were comparing the TT Artisan 35mm APO to the Voigtlander (NON-APO) Ultron, right? In the next video, will you compare the TTArtisans APO to the Voigtlander APO...more apples to apples comparison? I have my Ultron, it was my first lens for my first Leica (M10M)..and I still love it, but I would be interested in the APO vs APO comparison....for next time I need to unload my wallet a bit..haha.
I bought it online on TTartisan website and it has been sent from china. Despite everything is pretty clean and new, the box was open. I have the impression that they calibrate the lenses before shipping them only when you buy it on their website. After testing it with my Leica M10, I agree with everything you have exposed on this video. The lens is fantastic and the quality is great. Distortion is minimal, but it is too heavy and flares very very easily.
Hopefully a version 2.0 comes out quickly with better internal black paint coatings to help control the flare. 1930’s tessars have better flare control.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom yes. But at that price I want this lens FOR the flaring. U can use shading to control the flare. And with that lvl of sharpness, u can create interesting effects, without decent image resolution.
I was really hoping this would be the bargain Voigtlander APO alternative. I have the Sigma FPL with its huge 61mp full frame sensor the clarity definitely seems lens limited rather than sensor limited. It’s clear that the Sigma 35mm f20 is a better all around lens, but is it as sharp? Do I just need to bite the bull it and get the Voigtlander APO if I want to capture some extremely sharp images? I know I would need an adapter but as you said its an excuse to get that close focus adapter. Lastly, could there possibly be an alternative lens hood that protects against so much flaring? Thanks again for always producing such informative videos.
Random question, are you based in Northampton? I saw one video you leaving to London from Northampton station. I've been in the US for 25+ years but grew up in Wellingborough.
Your videos now are so so so much better visually than what you were doing in 2020. Good lighting. Also, did you used to use like a 40mm focal lenth lens to record video? Now it seems like you use 85mm of 105mm. What you are doing now is so much stronger visually, in my opinion.
Thanks Dan! Still learning as I go but yes I was using maybe 28mm (wide end of zoom) for early videos and now 85mm. Same room just shot at different angle and yes trying to make the lighting more fun to watch. They continue to evolve but I appreciate the feedback!
Thank you for this interesting and informative video! How would you compare the TTArtisan 35mm f2 APO with the TTArtisan 35mm f1.4, which I see you also liked?
As a matter of fact, the phrase "Made in Germany" was firstly created by the Britain back in the 18th century, to distinguish the German products from those produced in the UK. At that time the German products were considered as inferior and had poor quality. Things change...
Just saw your video on autofocus. You might want to try the Techart Leica M af adapter to use your LTM and M lenses in autofocus on a Sony if you still have one.
Typical TTArtisan flare... doesn’t disappoint in this price range. I think I'd like to try this lens. hope they do better in the future. If your budget is tight and wants to try the APO lens. TTArtisan might still be a good choice.
weird I bought this lens. Mine flares a lot but not as bad as your copy. I'm kinda satisfied with this lens. Oh if it could lose some weight would be better. Please make more compact lens TTArtisan
Not sure if they are connected but I bought the 7Artisans 35mm f2 for EOS-M mount (M3 camera) a few years ago, the last lens I ever bought for that system, and it was totally my fav lens until I upgraded to the EOS R. Back then people were calling it a 'china-cron' and I do think that its rendering was very beautiful. I got the RF 35mm and it is a spectacular lens for the price and size, and has IS. But that 7artisans lens was def more 'filmic' but not an optical dog's dinner if that makes sense.
Thanks for sharing! I didn’t know they made lenses for Canon so I’m learning too! I think this APO is an all new design as APO lenses have different optical formula etc. interesting all the same so thanks!
The flare would be very difficult to live with. However, I will say the Chinese are catching up quick. One of my favorite lenses is a Mitakon 35 f/0.95. The resolution and contrast on this lens are unlike anything I own. However, it is far from refined when it comes to manufacturing consistency as well as aberration control. Also, I can't resist. That may be technical definition of flare, but that's not flare. 😂😂😂
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I compared the Mitakon against a Summilux-R 50 E55 on a speed booster. Although, it is not a modern Summilux is still known to have exceptional macro contrast wide open. The Mitakon beat it by a large margin. Mitakon also smoked it at close distance sharpness especially at the wider apertures. I think this lens is my highest resolving and highest macro contrast lens. It's not perfect with many aberrations, but it's also a f/0.95 lens and I don't think a Noctilux would do that much better. I am unwilling to spend that kind of money to compare them so I can live without knowing for sure.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom The 35 0.95 is an APS-C only lens made for Mirrorless mounts. They have a 50 0.95 for FF, but IMO is not as good as the 35 APS-C. I also may be wrong about the 50 0.95 as it looks like they have continued to revise it. If you ever feel the itch to buy one, then please make a video. Looks like they have a Leica M mount and others. Both those lenses are specialized lenses in my eyes meant for portraits.
Well, you know me by now and my love for the 35mm Summarit-M f/2.4 ASPH and I feel like this TT is about 3 times bigger than my Summarit! :P. I'm already lamenting the size of my excellent TT 50mm f/1.4 ASPH, so yeah, I don't know who this is for...if it was f/1.4 at this size it might be a better sell.
I am happy with the 35 mm APO Summicron SL lens on my SL2; and I typically use the 50 mm and 28 mm M lenses on my M cameras. Your option is an interesting one but not for me.
i really wonder what they were thinking , releasing such a lens that flares like that. Since the Chinese are so good at copying, they could have copied the Zeiss T* coating.
“Fly by wire rubbish”…definitely no good. Performance looks decent. Great initial review man. I have a Zeiss 35 1.4 ZM on the SL now, I think it will take something special with great AF to go with another 35mm.
Thanks Morgan! Yes I’ll be honest in that I’m Uncomfortable in buying plastic F-B-W type lenses. I much prefer metal at glass where possible. Yes I hear the Distagon is up with the best (probably Voigtlander 35/2 APO) but with 1.4
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Yeah about the plastic. The Distagon doesn’t perform optically as good as the Voigtlander 35/2 Apo, I do not believe, but it has that wonderful color and character, for sure-a pleasure to shoot with! Wish there was a great 28 I didn’t have to spend Leica money on for the SL..haha. The 50 will likely be the Voigtlander 50/2 Apo, when I get around to it.
Я как-то эксперементировал с Юпитер-12 для байонета Contax/Kiev (RF), у меня была возможность выбрать у продавца несколько экземпляров, 1960 года выпуска Красногорск взял для своей системы Kiev-2 (1951 год), подобрали с продавцом на барахолке бленду старую металическую с Pentax, так я Вам скажу, что контраст увеличился очень прилично и такие засветки стали очень редкими, и снимал на пленку Fuji 160 Pro H (кажется так пленка высококонтрасная называлась). Продавец ещё говорил после теста и просмотра отпечатков, что нужно уже сравнивать с оригинальным Biogon 35/2.8 настолько этот Юпитер-12 оказался удачным экземпляром, повезло ещё купить Юпитер-8 и Юпитер-9 (1951 года выпуска, когда еще собирали объективы на остатках линзоблоков Carl Zeiss). Удивительные объективы как и Юпитер-3 (1956 года выпуска). Так что если у вас еще остался Юпитер-12, можете подобрать бленду и поэксперемтировать на досуге. А по TTartisan 35/2 APO удивительно конечно, что такие засветки получаются, какое они просветление многослойное используют на линзах не лучшего качества, хотя если знать эти особенности засветки, можно в любом случае получать отличного качества изображения, как бы цена располагает к покупке. Когда-то давно, в 2007 году я себе покупал CoSina Voihgtlander 21/4, 40/1.4, 75/2.5, многие говорили что они не очень, но время показало, что это отличные объективы по сборке, качеству просветления, получаемого изображения за меньшие деньги в сравнении с Leica. Не рассыпались ни во влажности, ни в морозы, ни в жару как и Bessa R3M. С китайскими прлизводителями Laowa, TT Artisan вероятно будет точно также улучшаться качество и оптический дизайн объективов в будущем. Хорошо в любом случае, что появляются альтернативы для покупателей ограниченных в средствах.
It's a good thing that those of us who bought the Voigtlander on your recommendation are fully protected by the MrLeica Money-Back Guarantee... KIDDING! It's interesting that the TTArtisans lens' sharpness is so good, but I shoot toward the light a lot so not for me...
Ha thanks James, yes I’m a big Ultron fan. I’ve always been happy with it so maybe it’s how it renders in real life which looks pleasing (rather than clinical). But still I was surprised here!
Hi Matt. Looks like a great choice for people who occasionally want to have access to a 35mm f2 APO lens. Leica pros and people with access to the funds will probably go for Leica. For the less fortunate enthusiasts and more price sensitive pros, there’s the CV version. And for the mere mortals amongst us that occasionally want to have access to a 35mm f2 APO lens as stated before, there’s TTArtisan. Mass market product for the masses.
If all you care about is sharpness and don’t care about size and weight, the Leica police should come to your house and confiscate your Leica M. For big and heavy 35mm lenses for Leica M, and you care about sharpness and 3D pop and all that, a good choice is the Zeiss 35f1.4 Distagon ZM. If APO definitely Voigtlander has that game won. And the little 35f2 Ultron is a gem.
@@AminTheMystic it’s not the lens. It’s the photographer… there is no such thing as “outdated” in Leica M lenses. It’s not like it doesn’t have fast enough autofocus 😅
@@carlosmcse When the corners are this blurry vs newer and cheaper lenses, then that lens is outdated. And there's nothing much a photographer can do about such limitations.
@@AminTheMystic 😅 blurry corners at f2. If you hear any photographer worry about this you can pretty much guarantee he’s a poser. Get the lens most useful for your type of photography.
@@carlosmcse but not just at f2. better IQ all the way through. the 35mm ultron is alrdy replaced by the far better voigt 35mm f2. why even bother to waste money buying this?
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom The thing that irritates me is this completely unnecessary Chinese copy-cat culture. They don't even need this. Their products are in their own unique niche, they could easily carve out a corporate identity and brand that does not need to imitate Leica to be successful. Maybe starting with the name too...
nice review, again TTArtisan is not my brand, as you know. Lens hood and cap are a copy of Leica design, again. If you like it, means a lot, course you know, what you talking about. But china products are not welcome in my world. I’m happy with my 1. version of the Leica 2.0 35mm asph. I would like to test Leica, Voigtländer, Zeiss and TTArtisan side by side, but I don’t have the opportunity for such a big test.
Defies logic if you own a Leica body, why anyone would use these Chinese rubbish lenses which were designed by Trigger, distributed by Boyce, sold by Del Boy.
I would rather smash TTFartisan on the ground than owning one. Those lenses should be forbidden because their industrial design looks like Leica's in the first place. Chinese can nothing but steal. Where is the evidence? I am starting with that square font and the orange colour of it but there are many more elements. People are traitors who are using those lenses. Really.... no respect, apart from buying cheap..
I agree, those are knockoff copies of Leica lenses, from China, where the truth in the price point is very ugly. Leica should demand they be removed from the market place in the civilized world.
