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Remember the episode with the parasites and the exploding officer? They alluded to it here when they said the same thing happened to the planets along the Neutral Zone, that’s because those parasites were supposed to be the next burg bad guy, but because several reasons, one of them being the cost of doing the bug creatures, they changed the plot to be the Borg, although some elements of their previous plot remain.
This episode sets up what many people consider to be the epitome of Star Trek episodes, certainly in the top ten best of Trek. Look forward to the Borg’s next appearance, it’s a doozy.
I'm SOOO happy you finally met the BOOORRRGGG...😂..YES!!!!...they WILL be back and they're the Enterprises GREATEST enemy🤘🤘🔥🔥🔥there's a movie Final contact (or something😅) n its awesome..you'll love it Mrs Jen 👌👍 can't wait for you to see it 😊
I like how they just beam down to places without knowing it safe did they know that there was a breathable oxygen for them there do they know the board wouldn't be ready to fire on in the second they beamed in and when they say there's a class m planet that can support life how do they know there isn't poison like bacteria in the air that will kill them all the second they get down there really they should be wearing space suits that filter the air every time they go anywhere
joeb918 That was referring to the episode “The Neutral Zone,” which took place after “Conspiracy,” which is the episode you mean. It’s possible that when “The Neutral Zone” was written they intended for the enemy to be the brainbugs from “Conspiracy.” But in that case it’s kind of odd that Picard and Riker don’t say anything about it at the time, considering that they very clearly know about the bugs. I think it’s more likely that they decided to change the plot BEFORE “The Neutral Zone” was filmed, so any reference to the bugs was removed from the script at that time, and it was simply left as an unknown enemy.
Congratulations to Ensign Gomez. A new character is introduced, they meet a hostile species, and she's still alive when it's over. A rarity in the Trek universe.
@Evan, fun fact: the same eye raising feature(s) was something Gene also wanted for Troi… We can probably blame (or thank) Douglas Adam’s however, as he originally had wrote about such things in Hitchhiker’s Guide where he spoke of Eccentrica Gallumbits. I suppose Gallumtits was a little too on the nose so he went with a rhyme.
I love the Q episodes. It does feel like Q is actually doing humanity a favor at times, despite his disregard for human life, by teaching them hard lessons.
It’s even more than that. Remember, the Borg were already probing the federation’s borders by this point (missing colonies anyone?). What Q did was give Starfleet’s top crew in a ship with some of their most advanced sensors a chance to understand the coming threat and escape with that knowledge. The Continuum would never have let Q save the Federation directly, but he could absolutely play these games.
@Valkyrie77 to be fair, some stains require godlike powers to remove. **cue Q** "That's why I'm here to show you my new entry in the detergent market... Oxi-Q!!"
The irony of which is that they were developed because of some real world issues pressing on the show. One of them being that the original intent for this bad guy was too expensive, (the parasite bug creatures seen in previous episodes) so they came up with a more cost effective bad guy.
Unfortunately, the Borg followed the same useage arc taken by many other lovecraftian horrors in hollywood: 1- Introduced as horrifying, unknowable, terrifying 2- Defeated after the cliffhanger in the next season. 3- Repeatedly defeated by all over iterations of the intellectual property. 4- Just another joke to be parodied.
@@anathardayaldar Yes and especially Voyager did them no good. A tactical Cube, which is capable to wipe out entire fleets, attack the Voyager.... Shields at 80%. The Cube fires again: Shields at 79,99%
@@Anthyrion... yeah, VOY made them a bit of a "villain of the week". A standard cube can wipe out entire fleets, Starfleet alone had it done to them twice, a Tactical Cube should have one or two-shotted an Intrepid-class. But plot armour... 🤷♂
A funny story about Whoopi Goldberg: When she was little she was flipping through channels and came across a scene with Uhura. She ran through the house shouting "Mommy come quick, there's a black girl on TV and she ain't no maid".
@@martinmackye9865 Uhh... actually that story's been consistent since she started telling it. I remember hearing that story in the 1990s, so I am confident it's _not_ exaggerated for today. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-80rv2cSmmYg.html You walk a verrrry fine line, saying what you just said. If Gene Roddenberry himself didn't find merit in Whoopi Goldberg and her story then, she would _never_ have made it on to _TNG_ in 1988. _Do not_ equate what she does _today_ with what she did _yesterday._ Saying that people don't change over time... sounds an awful lot like the distant squeals of social media _pigs._
@@tremorsfan So... Was she there when it happened??? How does she confirm something she obviously never witnessed? The story could well be true but Whoopi does have a bit of a history. It's impossible to say if it really happened or not. It'd be like me saying that my first year of Primary School, I wrote a novel. You can't verify if I did or not and you have to take me at my word. If a friend of mine shows up here to say: "Yep. He did" but I didn't even know that friend at the time and they also provide nothing of worth: You can take their testimony with a grain of salt. That's just how it is, I'm afraid. Having said that: Tremors is great.
Q is like Loki. He fancies himself a god, but even he admits at some point the Q are not really deities, just more highly "evolved" than most other species in this galaxy.
Nah, q knows that he isn't a god. He is a strict teacher. What he does in this episode seems evil, horrible and yes people died but if you think about it he probably saved the entire federation from the Borg. If they had not encountered them here so many things would have been different and most importantly a certain Admiral would likely have not survived long enough to perform a certain action. If you know you know.
My take is the Borg already had made contact with both the federation and the romulans and they were already coming. Q just gave the federation a heads up as to what is just around the corner. Q didn’t really speed things up, or at least if he did, it wasn’t by that much. The die was already shown to be cast earlier in the series.
Although the instigating events of the episode "The Neutral Zone" (the destruction of Federation and Romulan outposts) was originally intended to be caused by the creatures from the previous episode, "Conspiracy", they kinda got retconned into being caused by the Borg. So you're absolutely right, the Borg were already probing the edges of Federation space. The Borg's introduction to the Federation has been retconned quite a bit, actually, but they never invalidate this episode (just Guinan's guess about moving the timeline up).
In the 80's, when each episode premiered, the Q ones were a highlight and helped pace the show. Having a recurring strong antagonist who could match Patrick Stewart's acting was a great innovation. John de Lancie was an excellent casting choice.
That's why I'm so conflicted about his inclusion in Encounter at Farpoint. On the one hand, his part of the story was shoehorned in practically at the last minute because the studio wanted a double-length premier so the episode works a lot better without all that padding. On the other hand, though, he's a great character, the show and franchise wouldn't have been the same without him, some of the best episodes are Q-based, and he probably wouldn't have existed had he not been inserted into Farpoint.
Q's message was also aimed to the present day. Human exploration of the solar system won't be painless or without risk. If you want to stay safe stay in your house with the shades drawn. Don’t expect the wonders and knowledge to come without pain.
Remember, the Borg are already scouting around the Neutral Zone (remember what happened to the outposts). This was definitely a "get your head out of your asses" warning by Q.
As a kid I got the idea that the Borg were intentionally trying to start a war between the Federation and Romulans. Why else would they destroy just the Neutral Zone outposts and then leave?
@@HawkGTboy I think that's just something that we have the benefit of hindsight. The Borg don't really think in ways like that. They scout, they learn, they overwhelm. It's something we see them doing on a small and a large scale.
One minor note, when Paramount went back and cleaned up the first two seasons, it seems for this episode they enhanced the special effects so that the Borg effects are more visually consistent with what came after. It's interesting seeing a lot more green in this episode than how it usually airs on television.
In the first Borg episodes of TNG they were still really threatening and frightening, but especially from Voyager onwards they became a laughing stock and in the Picard series people seem to have completely forgotten what Borg actually are and what abilities they have. The idea of a Borg queen was perhaps still good at the beginning, but it was implemented worse and worse. The Borg in the Delta Quadrant as we know them have existed for at least 1000 years. They already existed when the home of the Vaadwaur was destroyed.
With "Measure of a Man," you saw the first great episode of TNG. And this episode marks the point where TNG starts to depart from TOS and put its own stamp on the Star Trek universe. If you go through the remaining S.T. series (DS9, Voyager, Enterprise), this episode leave its mark on all that comes after.
This is probably the first episode that feels like season 3+ TNG... so much so that I've often looked for it in season 3 before remembering it actually showed up in 2.
Even though it was written by the show Maurice Hurley, who leaves after this season. All I can say is good riddance. One good episode does not forgive a multitude of massive mistakes. But it will certainly condemn it.
Yeah, when this first aired, it was definitely a holy-sh*t episode. All anyone could talk about on the old Usenet boards was "when are we going to see them again?" And yes, the score in this one is AMAAAAAAAZING. Q is incredible in this one -- John Delancie is so, so good. He classes up everything he's in. I sometimes call him the American version of Paul Darrow (who you young'uns don't know), and they do have a lot in common, but Star Trek gave Delancie more leeway and room to maneuver than Darrow ever had. He is brilliant in this. I often think to myself that the reason why Troi entered the bridge so quickly at first and with such a worried expression on her face, immediately asking to speak to Picard, was that she realized she couldn't sense him on the ship anymore. And that she was so disquieted in the conference room scenes because she could sense fear from GUINAN, which she'd never sensed before.
Don't know if I've said this in a previous video, but I saw John DeLancie at a small Trek convention on Cape Cod. What a joy he was, talking about Star Trek, show biz, and Hollywood in general. He's a real talent and seemed to be a great guy in real life. He was billed with George Takei, who everyone knows is a great convention speaker.
They were playing 3D chess there at the end. The Ten Forward scene with Q and Guinan has been a topic of _lots_ of discussion among fans. Q didn't know Guinan was there, which is significant in and of itself. Also, the way Guinan raised her hands when Q threatened to remove her seems to suggest that she has some sort of ability to defend herself against Q's power. On the other hand, she freely admits that her race was scattered and nearly driven to extinction by the Borg, which suggests that they're not all that powerful after all.
The Borg are developed and retconned and developed some more over the following ~10 years and several more series and movies, including their motives. Q is not a physical being at all. He's from outside our universe, so he's from outside our concepts of space and time. He's also a super important frenemy throughout the remainder of the franchise.
Sh*t just got real! 😂 So... Now you know what the Borg are. And as per your reaction you get how formidable and unsettling they are as opponents for our Galant crew aboard the Enterprise and the Federation as a whole. I know that in this episode when I watched as a kid they creeped me out. The Borg being inferred in season one and their introduction in season two really makes it impossible to just skip to season three. This one really expands THE LORE by a lot. Guinan, Q, new antagonists... And it's a crackerjack season two episode on top of it. Great reaction, and happy you "get" the Borg. It's no spoiler we will be seeing them again for sure in the future.
Another classic episode featuring Q and introducing the Borg. Q is mischievous but powerful and the Borg are chilling. When Guinan is shock, you best take notice! 😅
@@3Rayfire oh well I have seen a variety of chess sets with difference from classic pieces and boards. Perhaps it's that ? It's doubt its tri d checkers
No, not the weeping angels. They are the Cybermen of the _Star Trek_ universe. Some Whovians accuse TNG of ripping off the Cybermen for the Borg. There's enough room for both.
@@toob1979 I always saw more Klingons = Daleks, Romulans = Cybermen, Borg = Weeping Angels, more based off popularity and time of introduction - Daleks and Cybermen are very classic like Klingons and Romulans, Angels and Borg very new generation.
"I wanna see the big baddies." Welp. Can't overstate the significance of this one on the future of Star Trek. You are in for a long, exciting ride with some great highs and a few lows. If you're still in S3 on your watchthrough, you're so very close. If you finished it by now then you know. Excited to be a part of your discovery of these iconic Trek moments.
Probably an unpopular opinion - but Q was helping the Federation by doing this to the Enterprise. Q knew the Borg were coming (e.g. the Federation and Roman outposts on the edge of the neutral zone had already been consumed and investigated by the Borg), and the Borg would be in Federation territory soon - but they had to be warned and shown just exactly what they were up against, to give them some time to defend themselves.
Not an unpopular opinion at all. Q is antagonistic and likes to remind the humans of how weak and dumb they are, but he also likes to help them in his own way, or at least help them challenge their own assumptions. This is a common theme in Q episodes.
The Borg were coming from the delta quadrant and have to travel through the beta quadrant to reach the neutral zone but something ( maybe the Hansen's) peaked their interest .
@@MartinCox-ny2rv Most fan theories I've read had it as the _Raven_ and also receiving the signal from the Drones they found in the Arctic. If anything, Q's actions here kept the timeline from unraveling before anyone had the means to prevent it.
Seeing this when I was a kid I remember thinking Q did the wrong thing. Knowing what I know now I feel the opposite. Q saved so many lives with his actions here preparing Starfleet for the future conflicts to come. If anything I would say we should thank Q.
This is the moment where this series took a huge leap forward... I was kind of an ambivalent watcher of the series as a teen (it was my dad's show), but this episode hooked me and the show became must-watch TV. I love Guinan, Q and the new baddies.
Good job on picking up that connection, Jen. Most people on their first watch through don't recognize the fact that this episode was supposed to link with the Season 1 finale The Neutral Zone and that the Borg were the ones responsible for the destruction of the Federation and Romulan outposts on either side of the NZ. The Neutral Zone WORF: The outpost was not just destroyed, it's as though some great force just scooped it off the face of the planet. Q Who WORF: It is as though some great force just scooped all the machine elements off the face of the planet. DATA: It is identical to what happened to the outposts along the Neutral Zone. To go further into the production, the Borg were originally going to be insectoid. The penultimate episode of season one Conspiracy had the small alien creatures that took over some of Starfleet's highest ranks, in the end we saw that they were transmitting some kind of homing beacon. This was the first clue dropped about the new big bad that the writers were developing, the second being the unnamed enemies in The Neutral Zone. In between seasons there was a writer's strike and then budgetary concerns that shifted the new enemy from expensive, hard to produce effects for an insectoid race to the humanoids in greige turtlenecks that would become the Borg, their "hivemind" being the only remaining remnant of the original insectoid idea. It's strange to think how different one of Star Trek's biggest races could have ended up, but they do say that limitations breed creativity and I think it was for the best here.
That sums up most alien races in star trek, having actual alien physiology is a strain on budgets. That’s why TOS is filled with repurposed costumes from other productions; space greeks, space fascists, space cowboys, space gladiators. Then it’s humans with prosthetics on foreheads, just alien enough to get the point across
This Borg episode changed the trajectory of the franchise from this episode forward. You've asked great questions and, if you carry on with the future different upcoming series ( especially Voyager) your Borg questions will be answered, but over many more shows and movies. It's quite a story and quite a gift to the franchise.
Q Who was THE episode back in 1989 that took me from on the fence about TNG to "OK. This show is legit". Before this, I had seen a few episodes that were really good but not quite enough to make up for all the ones that didn't impress me at all. This episode was mindblowing in 1989. I mean, it didn't take much to blow my mind in 1989 but still. I still feel like it's the best Borg episode just because if they hadn't gotten this one just perfect, it probably wouldn't have worked as well as it did for sucking the world fully into TNG. It's still amazing watching it now. How it just feels like they knew exactly what they had when they made it.
I like the fan-theory that the Q are a far-distant-future evolution of the peoples of the Federation and their descendants - that is why they know how "fast" humanity / the Federation /should/ develop, and when they were "supposed" to encounter certain threats at certain points in time but do not, and also why it would concern them given the Q's mastery of time and how much of the Federation's development is the product of time paradoxes (First Contact being an obvious example, but ToS has its fair share too, ditto for DS9). Q is fascinated precisely because the "lower lifeforms" are so conceptually alien to beings that evolved beyond human comprehension, but also so intrinsic to them as well. It's also why Q feels entitled to judge humanity (a key element of the Q's past, as per the fan theory) in a way we do not see them treat other species.
I enjoyed Star Trek The next generation. My grandson loves it and he asked me if I could get a Federation Starship for his birthday! He is smart for a 5 year old. The special effects were fantastic. Star Trek will last forever.
Reminds me of seeing the Playmates Ent-D from Generations in Toy's R Us as a kid. With detachable battle damage pieces. Man, I wanted that but I my dad wasn't particularly keen on the price tag.
OHHHH MAN! Been waiting with held breath for you to get to this one. I love it when Jen predicts that "Q better not mess with Guinan." LOL, Zoom Enhance and Commercial Break need to be on Jen Merch. This was Q becoming way more threatening and of an advisory than the last time he showed up. And it's all due to John DeLancie standing his ground with the director and talling him that Q would have no reason to get defensive or to have been overly jovial like was in the Riker Q episode. DeLancie wasted to play Q as a real warning to the Trek crew that they really aren't as prepared as they thought they were for what's out there. And lead to one of my favorite Q lines about it not being safe out here and if you can't handle loss you better go home and hide under the bed. GREAT episode. one of the best things TNG ever did.
I grew up watching this show, and this episode to me was a turning point for the show. I think fans loved the borg as the new "big bad". They became the enemy in multiple series and the movies.
LIke Q Said, The klingons, thje Romulans, the Ferengi..NOTHING COMPARED THE BORG!!! You wantd to meet the big badies...Well, meet the Big Bad Wolf of Star Trek! !!!
So now you've passed a big milestone on your TNG (TNJ?) journey, Jen, you've met the Borg. It's great fun riding along with you. At one point today you talked about the show getting your wheels turning, which is so fun, because you always have something insightful to say. Thanks!
This was originally the second part of Time Squared. That's the reason Picard ends up in a shuttle alone in both and why what occurred there went unexplained.
No that’s wrong I am afraid the Borg have been aware of Earth and the Federation for some time remember they attacked the outposts along the neutral zone and something else that made them aware actually 2 things but I can’t say because that would be spoilers for other Trek shows
Yup. This isn't the Borg's first introduction to humanity. Maybe just the most formal. I like what that particular episode did, it cast a lingering shadow over humanity leading up to Q Who.
TOS! Where no man has gone before. also five year mission! TNG. WE’RE NO ONE HAS GONE BEFORE AND IT’S CONTINUING MISSION! (Not yelling, caps-lock stuck ) ps “taking a core sample!” I’m impressed! Almost no one knows that!
Such a good episode! A good introduction to a new threat with a serious tone, thrown in with Q's usual craziness make this a fun one one to rewatch. Epic reaction as always Jen!!!
Always enjoying your intro!! Been waiting for this episode!! My top 10 episodes easily! The Q monologue, awesome!! Just realizing the last time I seen this episode was on a regular analog 32" TV!!! Wow time has transported by. Great Job Jennway!! Peace 🕊️☮️♾️😎
@Ian-xx1xb I haven't heard '' Tiara's Tiara '' Before but very appropriate , i should use that now , yes awesome I cannot resist Jen's reactions RESISTANCE IS FUTILE 😄
The game that Guinan and Picard are playing in 10 Forward at the end is Tri-Dimensional Chess. The game also was played on the original series as well, Spock was quite good at it.
"Riker probably thinks he just went off for a quickie." This is why Trek Sundays with Jen are awesome. To answer your question, implied is the correct form in this case. To infer is to draw a conclusion. To imply is to indirectly suggest a conclusion.
When Q first appeared in Ten Forward & Guinan saw him @ 4:26 I noticed the way she had her hands & fingers up... I immediately thought of that one scene in the movie The Color Purple 😆😆😆
The game that Picard and Guinan are playing at the end of Q-who, is called Tri D chess. Although 3 dimensional chess was invented in the early 19th century, the Star Trek version was invented for the Original series in the 60s and formal rules were included in the first Technical Manual. It's the game Spock was playing against the computer when Kirk first met him. BTW, you look great in that uniform!! Blue for Sciences seems to fit you well. ❤ I humbally suggest that you should add ONE collar PIP for every TNG season that you finish. Like, years of service in the Starfleet😊
So creepy are the Borg. First time I believe that I felt Picard and crew truly list, and only Q saved them. Cutting up of the Enterprise still gives me chills.
Such a cool episode! You've finally been introduced to the Borg X) Star Trek only gets better from here! :D They were playing Tridimenional Chess, more commonly referred to as 3D Chess. It was introduced in the first season of the original Star Trek, and seen in several episodes of that series (usually we see Spock playing it). I don't think the series ever set up any rules for how to play it, but I think fans eventually did and you can buy 3D chess sets online (but they are pricey). I've never owned one, but they are pretty to look at. :)
