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Shout out to the archeologists who do the tedious, diligent, unsung work with incredible patience, like spending two summers just collecting seeds. Everyone looks for the results, but don't give enough credit for the detailed painstaking work it takes to get those results.
I'm so glad I finally broke away from the alternative history channels and the algorithm is finally showing me quality content like this. Cheers, I'm new and I subscribed 🥂
Yes,the quality of everything happened,no more discoveries because the same agency in charge of the site doesn't want mote excavation for at least 20-25 years,because they will stop for the "next generation" to continue
@@ArchaeologyTube I bet you're the kinda guy who'd still and blindly believe so-called, and exremely independent "health experts". :D it's kinda funny that certain very well supported, and comfortably agreeable groups have the audacity to accuse people with democratically, empirically or just genuinely legitimate questions as liars and having to resort to agression, diffamation, intimidation, insults over at least somewhat maturely discussing actual topics and facts. name-calling, throwing a tantrum and throwing around some sad, desperate little "ct" into those childish school-yard insecurities. -> especially after the very last few years. you mentioned something about lies, right? how do those pittyful, pesky and superficial, little "ct insults" work exactly, when most if not all ct's have become bitter-sweet facts and realities. I mean that's as if I genuinely and unironically called you autonomous or smart. it bares any logic, no? you do realize the retroactive facts related to all rigid, static and very controlled, biased fields have lead to an immense loss in any sort of institutional credibility or reputation. no? the hollow, superficial often ridiculously artificial and controlled concoctions are finally crumbling. and rightfully so. it will be harder and harder to hide behind bought, or rather "paid" (?) little titles and fancy little hats and uniforms. :D tell us some more about lies, especially in msm, academia and many supposed "empitic" processes, institutions. after all, they are all so smart and powerful, influential. surely more so than some random "ct youtubers", right. how about we start there?
Superb conversation! Breathtaking. Thank you Dr. Clare. Thank you Turkey! Thank you funders and all who make this remarkable, astounding study possible. Best wishes. 🌞
So interesting to hear the site being placed in time. We do tend to image them building what we see and then keeping it that way. But of course a living site over that timespan would have changed a lot. Keep up the good work.
This is a really important point and one that is very difficult for archaeologists to convey to the general public. We typically conserve and present a monument as a monolithic entity For example, It's easier to understand the Parthenon as a Classical temple. But of course it was also a church, a mosque, and the keep of a castle. But it's not possible to present all of those at the same time and have them be intelligible Point is that all of archaeology is similarly dynamic! Not just a puzzle in 3D but in four dimensions
Thank you for this interview as I tried to find some credible sources after watching Bright insights video. Later I went back and commented on his video with a link to this interview I immediately got shadow banned 😂😂
Do we have evidence of where these folks went during the winter months? Do we have any idea how they lifted the stones? Were there roofs over these structures? And what were they made from? Very great information.
Of course we don’t, they haven’t even figured out how Stonehenge was constructed. That’s a larger, deeper question than you’ll ever get an answer to from this crowd.
Thanks for the video, it's great to hear some explnations about what is happening there and how much work there is to it apart from the "digging out stuff". Also I love the fact that archaeological sites leave a part unexavated so future archaeologists can use their own methods on it. I've been wondering in the past whether archaeologists somehow take into account that they might have more/better tools in the future to research what they are researching now, and that they might destroy that possibility by digging everything up now.
Its long been know that hunter-gatherers have more free time than farmers so thar all makes perfect sense. As long as there was enough stuff to hunt and gather the number of people required
Another way is by having groups of hunters and gathers, where one group would go hunting for a month then the next month the other group goes out. That way one group is home for a month and with time on their hands can make a big hall where they can party and feast .
Jimmy from Dim Insight told me that the excavation is so slow at the direction of the WEF to keep the Stargate hidden. You've provided an interesting alternative explanation.
I really appreciate the thorough explanation of the happening of the excavation. I previously was incensed when I heard statements that they were not excavating large portions of the site. I thought "why,?"would they do this. Now I better understand.
Plse don't assume.. ceremonial site? Limiting archeospeak. A thousand years on, would that apply to a university ruins site? An observatory a homage to the God's? We simply do not know. Let's be honest and just own that.
The skilled art work is intriguing because you cannot be doing that and also pounding grain and chasing gazelles all day. Their constructions are not enigmatic monoliths but a kind of visual poetry. It would have been wonderful to be able to sit and chat with these ancestral people.
Awesome video. You got 8,000 views, 120 comments and +200 subs in just 10 hours! You'll get to 100K subs in no time with great interviews like this. What a difference in quality information we get from you compared to the alternative channels. Graham Hancock tells us that everything is a mystery and Bright Insight cries like a baby to dig faster.
@@robswright68 so you didn’t check Graham “mysteries”? accumulating evidence around the planet that archeologists doesn’t want to check with REAL SCIENTISTS like UnchartedX with the pre dynastic jars checked by engineers around the planet don’t think is a mystery,is a real investigation with experts… so Bright found out that the 2030 moguls had infiltrated areas of the archeology to stop any new dig so we never have the opportunity to know our past is crying for nothing,or you think all those trees planted at Gobleki Tepe don’t have roots that will destroy important information?
@@archaeologyape3695 well that bag of chips happens is being investigated by many engineers and mathematicians around the planet...you looks like never watched the channel of Unchartedx and the measurements of predynastic jars
@FlintDibble Yes and forgot that there will be no more excavation for at least 20 years...everything you are saying in this vídeo is past,not a running investigation.
Awesome work. Thought provoking and fun. I have wondered about the butchering of animals in dense populations. Dead and rotting corpses attract flies, rats, vultures, not to mention the stench of the decay. I would think the stinky meat processing off and away. Grains and seeds are brilliant foods to process in groups of singing and chanting, festive work. Rats and mice are kept in check by foxes and cats.
Not sure what the skeletal reports say. One way to check that is if there are fewer low meat parts, like feet, as they'd be discarded where slaughter and butcher happens and not schlepped in with the meat
Some believe earth history began 6,000 years ago... hard to swallow. mainstream archeology needs to acknowledge truth...ancient last ice age & ages before...
were these hunter gatherers living in villages the ones that built these structures then? was food so plentiful that they didnt need everyone to hunt and gather resources?
This could be solved by having groups of hunters and gathers, where one group would go hunting for a month then the next month the other group goes out. That way one group is home for a month and with time on their hands can make a big hall where they can party and feast .
Danke, Dr. Clare. Ihre Theorie macht Sinn für mich als Laien. Insgesamt ist es total spannend, einfach nur ganz klar betrachtet welche Fakten vorliegen. Kein esotherisches Geplapper. Vielen herzlichen Dank 👍🏼
(Former EM lab worker here) When it was mentioned in the video that there's no sign of any so-called "living quarters" or any evidence of people using that area and space for basic living conditions however, there's plenty of evidence regarding food processing or food production so to speak....... my first thought went to something like a communal 'kitchen' or a communal (open to everyone) food processing area. This would be, much like what we in America would call having a 'dry kitchen' or a 'dry sink' condition where instead of there being any of the attached utilities like for water, electricity and maybe A/ C this area is just for the processing and preparation of, food. Nothing else. To continue, I'm further thinking that perhaps Gobekli Tekli, was a place that was open to ALL the villagers and anybody could just come. Prepare their food for cooking or for whatever means of consumption they prefer. Then, once the food was processed they take it home to eat. Another alternative could be that perhaps still thinking along the lines of something communal...... perhaps it was used in the same vein as let's say the communal village baker where people in the village could bring their unprocessed grains, or other food products and the baker or miller would further, process / or bake it, for them. Once the task was completed the grain owner or villager could then, pick it up at a later time.
So your point is that they were hunter gatherers because you have found wild seeds which appear to be indicative of non established farming practices. And what will you say when they find a site that is 10000 years older with established building structures and agriculture. Settled life on this planet is much much older than your willing to admit.
What do you think would happen if a new site is found that has plant domestication? Just like always, it will be added into the curriculum and the public conscience. We can't just make stuff up until something new is discovered.
At some of the other sites that are part of the Tas Tepeler culture, some slightly older, there does appear to have been rudimentary agriculture. At Jericho, which is roughly contemporary with GT, they also appear to have been sowing and reaping. The inhabitants at Gobekli Tepe had sufficient abundant food resources without transitioning to agriculture. It's been shown that foraging from naturally occurring food supplies is a healthier lifestyle than farming. Planting, weeding, protecting crops from pests is a far larger volume of work than gathering wild plants. Hunting and gathering requires far less time and drudgery than agriculture.
These hunter gatherers between anatolia and siberia were extremely advanced for their time. I suspect that they spoke a proto indo-european language just like us.
What is so important about your non-existent, hypothetical, fantasy-site that you would share it in public as if adults would be interested in such a thing?
The😮 pseudo-archeologists provide an interesting alternative to established narratives from the main stream but tightly controlled archeological establishment. Dr. Clare acknowledges the different viewpoints. So should you. Its called the diversity of humanity. Data, like statistics, can have different interpretations.
@@bserieshatch1 All the knowledge that Graham Handcock cherry-picks from and postulates his hypotheses from is knowledge gained from the hard work and study of archaeologists. Handcock rides on the coat tails of archaeologists, not the other way round. With archaeology to cherry-pick from, Handcock's work would be seen as nothing but fiction.
No way Rogan has him on alone. He was too much of a dickhead during the whole interview and the national accusations just put it to rest. First impression to the masses went terribly wrong
I love this video. I find the site endlessly fascinating and look forward to hearing about what is discovered in coming seasons. I just dread what pseudoarchaeological content will now flood my algorithm
I don't understand why people keep making this distinction, what if they are hunter gathers, learning and adapting to their new environment to become farmers...
Because if they were farming, then the plants would fairly quickly change and evolve to adapt to the human control over their life cycle and reproduction. We see it elsewhere at the same time, but not here
Mr Dibble, love your name bro! Dad must have been a rock star!! The general public desperately needs this kind of overview as does our written history itself. Thank you. Dr Clare, I don't know if you're aware of how invaluable your public presence and statements are to a core group of us that have been following these developments for decades now. Can't thank you enough. Keep fighting for us. Data, data, data!
@terrymoran3705 - Harold Dibble WAS a paleontology star! Just lest week, I read a lot about him. And do you know that Flint has a brother named Chip? ^_^
The number of likes tells about the level of iq population of humanity are currently at, this is very important information that unfortunately only few of us care of!😢
I just hope no one starts a crazy fake story line i just want to know our peoples true history all of human kind so we can proceed with the future better 🙏🏾
@@MossyMozart not only that we need to understand our past mistakes and be sure not to make them in the future look at all the civilizations at collapse world wide through history our presidental governmental whatever the fuck systems are horrible nothing works you get one candidate for 2 years hate them want someone else happens with every president think wed learn sum considering how “superior” we are 🤦♂️
Advancement as defined as going from hunter/gatherer to agriculture (as understood by Western ideology), to village, to city states, to civilisations has always smacked of Social Darwinism (which promoted debunked race theory). The argument that this progression involved increasing social complexity is a value laden concept by those who don't understand that hunter gatherer society can be extremely complex. I am Aboriginal and many non-Aboriginal people can't wrap their heads around our social system. People outside my culture have to create complex charts to get it all straight and still get it wrong. Our kinship system is divided and sub divided to create specific reciprocal responsibilities and obligations to each other, to our land management, economy and religion. Some people, places, foods, animals are taboo to each other, others involve highly active involvement and interaction, depending on the type and degree of relationship. People still get judgey judgey because we built no cities or massive monuments, they don't realise it was a choice. An anthropologist once informed me that had we been colonised even 200 years later we would have progressed from hunter/gather to settlement and heirarchy. He did not understand that we did in fact have permanent settlements which we utilised seasonally and that we were were farming, but we worked with the country not in Dominion over it. We nurtured and encouraged wild foods, grasses which we harvested edible seeds from, as well as animals. We grew food trees and plants on our refuse mounds and made sure to never take too much. Before colonisation there were 100's of different grasses in Australia, many of which could be harvested, and which are now extinct. Likewise we still keep the Dreaming and knowledge of a species of taro that was also destroyed by colonisation and destructive, foreign agricultural practices unsuited to the country. My culture had regular interaction with Island and Asian cultures that focused on material culture, possession and advancement of same. We deliberately chose not to focus on material gain, it is all about keeping the balance in ourselves, with each other and in nature. Traditionally anyone who covetted or gathered too many possessions was considered a low -life. Cultural bias and ignorance fuels the misunderstanding about hunter gather societies. We very successfully and happily with far more freedoms than today thrived in a harsh country for over 70 000 years. We too carved out rock shelters with pillars, had stone huts, made canals and stone circles, but it was done in accordance with our laws regarding land management. We can never with any certainty know what the people at Gobekli Tepi were thinking. Their world view was probably very different and possibly hard to relate to by today's standards. Maybe like us they didn't need or want to supposedly advance. The site being deliberately buried tells us there was a significant transformation in their culture, through a change in ideology or through invasion. I agree domineering hierarchical societies are not particularly great especially if you have lived experience of other world views.
I am reminded of the site of Troy that was plundered by Heinrich Schliemann in the 1800's losing much history and despoiling the site for future archeologists. There is so much more we might have learned from that site. And it would have made a marvelous tourist attraction too!
How come this giy is not yalking about the WEF paying off the turkish government to stop escavations? Or the pilons suporting the roof go right into the site still buried? Or the olive grove planted right on top of the sight that still meeds to ne excavated? Or the concrete walkway being laid on to of the site itself? Only 7% excavated? Im no expert but i jave questions...
Cause none of that is true. Excavation is happening right there, right now. Dr Clare specifically discussed the careful excavation done, deep trenches to bedrock, to place the pylons. The olive grove was planted by the farmer who used to own the site. The trees are monitored by professional conservators, and those that have been assessed as issues were removed. Walkways are common at sites and don't damage them All of this was discussed. Guess you didn't pay attention
@@FlintDibble Is the WEF involved in any way whatsoever? If so, what is the reason for their involvement or investment? It would be reassuring to clear that up for the skeptics out there. You know how conspiracy theories gain traction without full disclosure? Especially these days, with all the podcasts. Archeology has never been so popular, but many will lose interest without honesty.
Glad to have such experienced assessments of this astonishing site. Is there information on what the landscape was like at the beginning of the construction?. Was the land forested? Rivers and streams nearby? Congrats on your approach to this.
Come to think of it, having such an amazing specialist (and wonderful person) in my office talking 80 minutes about his research would be pure privilege, if not for the fact that this is freely available to everyone interested.
Really appreciate all of the work and research here Flint and Clare. So stoked to be able to get a window through time with this research. I have one positive criticism, dont belittle other "fringe theories" Credit to the both of you, but I believe the animosity is just pointless and gets in the way of the work. At the end of the day, we know what we know through a long process of discussion, reviewing and..for lack of a better phrase...time. You both do stella work. Fact. Unfortunately, together nor alone, no specialist in the respective field would have a silver bullet answer. As a specialist, your job is to bring your master knowledge to the table and collaborate with others to get a clearer picture of our past. My hunch is this.....Be kind to each other, Listen a lot and use all your tools to respond to things that fit what you have found. dont attack. Debunk it, and yes Flint, that is possible. Dont worry about "disproving" things that people like Graham Hancock say, the work that you have put into this video is far more powerful. At the end of the day, we really have very little idea of what Life" looked like 11 thousands years ago......we get hints here and there...but that's it. so in short....we have a lot more to learn. You dont need to agree, but use each other for shit sake! Much love from Aotearoa/New Zealand.
@freefall9832 I couldn't agree more with you on that point. Especially with Graham's Netflix show.....It's a waste of time and energy spent on lashing out at "the world of archaeology"... He could've put that effort into fleshing out his story, a continuation of behaviour fhen clearly seen on Joe Rogan, where Flint did a fantastic job and has received a genuine win from that effort he put it. It's a waste of time for both sides is my hunch. Debate it out more often, Agree to disagree and keep it above board. Flint shouldn't be the ONLY one that's been able to have a platform as wide as JR...Let's get Flint up there again (if he's keen!?) And other Flints out there that can debunk differing theories of ancient history. Time shall tell 👀
Think simple, the place was probably a get together hall where people had a feast, a feast of Pork. Probably a place to eat, drink, dance and have a good time. Symbols can mean anything anyone or society wants to believe. H may mean the Hittite people.
Might I suggest that rather than leave archeological sites to be explained by random RU-vidrs giving their narrative, that the site get ahead of rumors and innuendo by producing an official website and RU-vid.
There is an official website already set up by UNESCO but I don't know if the Turkish government have any inclination to set up their own. Maintaining a RU-vid channel also requires skilled social media people. The people working there right now likely have enough on their plates. Plus even if there was an official channel it wouldn't stop the rumours and innuendo.
Information provided by Mr Lee Clare was amazing thank you! Keep up the great work. We appreciate your willingness to hear differences of belief by locals and visitors, than what is concluded from your formal findings. Mr Dibble, please try to dial back your spite for other or informal findings. It seeps out of every word you speak. Everyone is entitled to have opinions and theories.
The T pillars seem like perfect platforms for excarnation. They are tall enough to prevent the lions and other scavengers from jumping onto them to devour the body, and the tops are just the right size to put a body on. A place where vultures would be the ones doing most of the eating. It would make sense that the place where the bodies were placed would be an important ceremonial site. Could the T pillars be excarnation platforms?
In fact the handbag pillar may be the oldest depiction of a landscape in history(?). Looks further like gardens next to the houses, but what is striking for me are the depictions of various animals above the houses indicating possible clans or families with animal totems, identifying these people, perhaps, as patrons of the structure. The landscape seems to center on a vulture egg; perhaps a symbol of mythological origins or origins in general.
May I congratulate you to a very current presentation! Especially opening our eyes to all these different perspectives-the evolution of archeology and it’s meaning to present,past and future cultural streams! It’s a delight for me personally to be so very much stimulated! Best wishes to you and all of your colleagues and loved ones 💦🐑🕊️🎶🙏🙏🙏
Humans can't digest grass (well, they don't get much out of it, compared to ruminants). But we can eat grass _seeds_ - which is what wheat, maize, rice, barley all are.
"Hunter gatherer". This two word phrase seems to be a real sticking for those who have chosen this site as a "hill to die on" with respect to the lost civilization narrative. If we can posit that hunter gatherers by their very nature are sub-par humans, then we can eliminate them as those who could have quarried, moved, and sited these big stones. We have, and have had for some time, examples of peoples who did not practice agriculture nor animal husbandry, yet lived in settled communities and built impressive constructions. In my part of the world the native people of the Pacific Northwest coastal areas were able to exploit seasonal salmon runs and gather abundant local plant resources so that they could settle down in communities. They built permanent cedar plank long houses. With this sedentary lifestyle they developed incredible works of art, including huge totems. These totems are typically carved from 20-30 ton cedar trees that they would fall, transport, and erect without the use of any technology save fire, stone axes, rope, large dugout canoes, and human power.
Great comment. I might add to the last sentence of your first paragraph that those impressive constructions which can be found all over the world, may have been inherited from older and as yet recognized civilizations.
@@paul-on9py "Hunter gatherer" does not mean: "Can't build megalithic structures". It only indicated how a people obtain food. The people who built Gobekli Tepe were hunter gatherers. They had simply found a site where they could post up that had sufficient food resources that they didn't have to be nomadic and travel from place to place in search of food. There is no need to invoke the alt-history deity of a previous, as yet undiscovered culture. The people who built and occupied GT for over a thousand years had abundant wild food resources without domesticating plants and animals.
That’s a bit strange, I thought the first words out of his mouth about such an extraordinary dig is that it was such a Dangerously antiquated site that just so happens to pre-date even the pyramids. This is archaeological fact, is it not? Yet with in a minute into the conversation he simply said the word “occupied“. How about some clarity here, The data is out there, let’s pretend it Means a bit more than you are indicating.
@@Eyes_Open sorry, a bit facetious of me. Dangerous only with respect to the fact that modern archaeology dislikes anything it can’t explain. Particularly when the loonies come out to claim that it’s proof. I don’t think personally that either of you I have the right to claim the truth of this affair, but as always, truth be discovered lying in between with loonies disappearing and scientific brands being drag kicking and screaming to Evidence and facts that will completely compromise their worldview. It’s happened before, it is facts and it will happen again. Antiquated meaning very old, a poor choice of words I agree, it was my third Martini and I don’t usually posts on these things, I apologize
Maybe the pillars represent clan linages, with their totem animals. So these sites could be places where tribes and clans could be unified through ceremonial meetings And where disputes between clans and tribes could be adjudicated and where verdicts could be cast in stone As a record of legal proclamations so that pressure could be brought to bare on those who sort to renege on agreements.
@@hulamei3117 Which would leave *what* which would be detectable in the archaeological record? Remember, this is 4000+ years before the invention of writing, a thousand or more km from this site.
I'm no archaeologist and yet this theory has a lot to recommend it, I wonder if it's occurred to the researchers? It's very common for nomads and hunter-gatherers and other primitive people to gather once a year for the purpose of settling disputes, finding mates outside their genetic pool and establishing trade. I think it's a great line of inquiry.
@@waynemyers2469 That would be on the floor of Q+A sessions at conferences, after presentations, and in seminars and meetings within the department. I'd be astonished if the question hasn't been flogged to death. But it'd probably only make it to *publication* when someone had found a "something" in a dig (or in a dig's conserved relics) which would shed light on this question. Hence my earlier question of "what *evidence* would this leave that would be detectable in the archaeological record?" Without evidence, it's speculation, not science.
@@a.karley4672 Okay, I just thought it more likely than other theories I've heard. Incidentally, If you need evidence, wouldn't Gobekli Tepe BE the evidence you're talking about: A large gathering-place for social functions among hunter-gatherers?
Just to remind us, that veneration of the relics (usually parts of bodies of the saints) is an integral part of popular Roman Catholic religiosity until now!
It is still very popular in some parts of the world I think. When I was 7, so 1954, our class teacher, an Irish nun, told us that we didnt have to believe in any relics. I think it was she who told us that if all the relics of the true cross were collected there would be 300 crosses. I think the Turin shroud was in the news at the time. To be a Roman Catholic there are only 6 dogmas you need to believe. Like the transubstantiation of the host at the moment of consecration. Needless to say I never believed in any relic after that.
I think its where skinning methods, tanning methods, textiles, farming, cooking and so on were passed from tribe to tribe until their gathering became covilization.
nah, we have evidence for skinning, tanning, textiles, and cooking well before Gobekli Tepe. All were used by humans in an expert fashion for over ten thousand years before this site. Farming developed around the same time as Gobekli Tepe, but not at Gobekli Tepe itself Gobekli Tepe is a cool example of an alternative to farming. Successful, intensive hunting gathering in a productive environment. And a society that marked itself in some pretty dang cool monumental construction
@@FlintDibble "evidence for [...] textiles, and cooking well before Gobekli Tepe" Wasn't there a report, about a year ago, of a Neanderthal burial with s woven fabric item in it? Which would be 20+ ka before Göbekli Tepe. And also about a year ago, an Italian find of a "quern" stone (with attached smashed starch grains) under the Campanian Ignimbrite - dating to some 38 kA BP, so also well over 20 ka before Göbekli Tepe. Just some "for instance" points that human history was working towards farming and "civilization" for a very long time.
I am plant geneticist and I am really wonder what criteria are being used to determine that grains are not being domesticated? Grains morphology different from the modern doesn't mean they were not domesticated, they might have been domesticated (grown on purpose) but still retail characterisctic/morphology of the wild. The fact that you grow wild forms in larger density, monoculture significantly increases food supply enabling settlement.
If you're a plant geneticist, then you should have access to archaeobotanical journals that discuss this information and the change in morphology of the rachis in most domesticated grains and legumes, and why it's the morphology of the rachis that is impacted by the selection pressure of simply planting a crop You'd also, I would think, be familiar with the ancient DNA research on this same topic. Two different genes, for example, impact this change in morphology in wheat. A quick search should help answer this question if you're familiar with scholarly research
Sorry about the snark in the reply. Too many conspiracy people responding, brain is frazzled. But basic info is the same. The way the rachis attaches to the glume or seed is the major first change we see that indicates domestication of most grains and legumes. It's fairly well studied and dated, though of course there's much more to study with regards to aDNA and plant morphology and domestication, as well as pre-agruculture gathering and it's impact on plants
@@FlintDibble Thanks for the replay - don't worry - I know people like you get lots of crap. btw, one of the best if not the best podcast about Gobekli Tepe - straignt from the source. I can see, traits like that are almost immedietelly fixed for the following generations, but alternatively grains can be harvested before they shed the seeds to save them from birds etc. For legumes opening the pods and pods attachment may be the key trait not the seed attachment and intact pods unlikely survived that long to be examined. From our current perspective harvesting wheat is collecting the mass of ears from big field, drying them and threshing but the first domestication might simply involve garthering from locations enriched by humn in particular species by removing other plants or sawing - so the transition period might have taken a while. Whare I am getting with this is that communities might have benefited brom agricultural practices before clear domastication traits in crops can bee seen.
@tw9472 yes to all. And yup, it's pod attachment not seed attachment for legumes There's a bunch of research exactly on this topic as archaeologists now collect plant remains more regularly (flotation is a laborious undertaking requiring lots of specialist labor and time). Pre domestication traits are those that relate to various cultivation activities over wild strands (eg, enriching soil as you mention). I think they are observed going back to 20k or so years ago for wheat and also rice. There was a recent Nature article.on this for rice. But they're different than the eventual transition towards a tough attachment for seed or pod, which seem to be the clearest indication for human control over the entire reproductive cycle of the plant, from harvesting to planting. And shows up for pretty much all these various species.
Oh, and just a note, it's a gradual shift after these changes for several thousand years towards the increase in seed size that wr think of with domesticated crops (also other changes like the move towards free threshing wheat rather than glume wheat)
Great interview, excited to watch the whole thing. One thing confuses me at 4:22 though, my archaeology experience is entirely americanist. But hearing that archaeologists didn’t expect monumental architecture/landscape modification from Hunter gatherers seems odd, because places like Poverty Point and the numerous Adena mounds were created by foragers.
Hi Flint, I look forward to every revelation from this site. From the blocks and figures carved on them, to the animals and plants they ate. 11,000 years ago (or thereabouts) they were living large. Great info, thanks
Great interview. Good to see something like this come out in the public seeing there are way to many conspiracy theorists using misinformation to create a buck for themselves. How many people are currently in the archaeological team excavating there? How do international post-grad students get involved at a site like this if you are outside Germany/Turkey? Is there possibilities for MA/Hons/PhD projects to be undertaken at this site? How/Where do you apply if so? I have nearly finished my masters in Australia and it would unbelievable to be able to do a PhD at this site!
Is there any evidence of ancient local streams where they may have practiced aquaculture? The edge of one pillar looks like a stream with crawdads and eels (which are a great source of fat). It looks like there are weirs (H’s) in between the species to isolate them from competing with each other. It also looks like the stream was bounded by reed walls that could have been woven to keep small animals from pilfering the fish at night. There is what looks like a dead boar on the pillar. A dead carcass may not be edible for humans but would have been great for feeding eels. I wonder if aquaculture may have preceded farming and animal husbandry for these inhabitants 11,000 years ago.
Um, you do realize they've published a huge amount publicly and freely accessible for all interested in Gobekli Tepe If you truly care about the site, why not go read more about it (great pictures too) www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/
Imagine defleshing your grandma? I can't believe people can do this kind of thing. Especially to a relative. Such a different way to deal with the dead
In a weird way, I think it would be quite a nice thing to do for this person who meant a lot to you. Unlike today, where grandma dies, the doctors take her away and three seconds later she's in a box, with them you get to grieve and spend time with your loved one before they move onto the next world.
Is it really any stranger than embalming? We allocate that task to a professional so that we don’t have to see what happens or think about it very much. Because if you actually learn about the process, it’s quite strange.
I think that Oxford was built in (I think I'm remembering correctly) 1065, which means that in a scant 41 years, Oxford will have been in use for 1,000 years. That's the coolest modern example I could think of for a structure like gobekli tepe
So these people were hunter gatherers but less mobile and (from what I’m understanding) lived largely at these sites. But few or no bodies are buried there. Do we have any idea what they did with their dead? What was the environment like back then? Was it greener? Colder? Without pottery how did they boil the grains? Was bread already a thing at that point? I’m only 30 minutes into the video so if these are answered already ignore me please 😂 Great video! ❤
I don't see how with the areas population density that they were not deliberately planting crops right from the start. The domesticated varieties obviously took time and selective breeding, but at first I have no doubt they deliberately planted "wild" seed crops. They had everything you need to do it and were obviously intelligent enough. The I symbols seem to me to represent the 3 worlds in shamanic understanding. The upper and lower worlds connected by ours. I think the T pillars represent the same idea, perhaps anthropomorphized with a shaman/leader as the gatekeeper so to speak.
Farming means collecting seeds and planting them. If you collect wild seeds and plant them, then you ARE farming. Are they expecting to see modern seeds at the first farms ?? It takes a long time to sort the best seeds and start the mutations to change them from their wild origins.
I would love to help archeologists. To have that experience. Carrying buckets of dirt or something in order to help them and also have the experience of being at the site.
I like calling the large buildings 'special buildings'. They might have been highly decorated general meeting places. Cool in the heat of summer. In the UK we have buildings with more than one function, church halls where play groups, guides and scouts etc had meetings. Bring and buy and jumble sales, meeting rooms in public libraries, etc. Different cultures will have similar resources Im sure. Back in the UK I was one of the hundreds going to evening classes using local secondary schools. From silversmithing to matgematics, history to modern languages..... We and they are the same so calling these buildings temples limits how we might think of our ancestors.
